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HONOLULU STAR-BULLETIN, v. TUESDAY, SEPT. 10, 1912.
(Continued from Pare 1)
Vrul 'If A liairf Inn YttkA K-.t Vtswtn In
that direction, would you regard that
' as an unwise policy?
A C ) trrA aftM asmat lliuiirttt aitmll.
ted he would.
Aiken said he thought the land
'laws of the .Territory are sadly In
r.eed of revision, it was originally
' copied from the land . laws ..of New
; Zealand. : lie would divide the pub
lic j lands ; Into three divisions ;, . for
handling tone, .the sugar lands he
' would have leased to sugar planters;
. all .other cultivated land to bome-
" y, steaders, and the' high land, of small
value and fit - only for grazing," he
would lease as such to any ; appll
cants. ... - ' '
Fisher then, made inquiry into the
Territorial laws,; affecting the home
steader, who forfeits his rights. - Ash
ford and Aiken9 agreed that the home
steader was paid back the value of
his improvements. 7 Governor. Frear,
asked if this were so, said it Is not.
I Ufa a V a latmr H Wa i A la
. true no, longer," under the amended
Aiken said that .7 and 8 per cent is
the usual and the legal rate of. inter
: est. That was disputed.
' L. Tenney Peck was .called into the
discussion as- apparently ", the only
tanker in the chamber. He said that
S per, cent is the legal rate.
A general laugh was raised when
Fisher asked Mr. Peck what the us-
- - tirv ,ratL A. i.Antf. ih.. latter. K
- had never: tried to use it and. there
. fore was not an authority on that
point '-'- ""' - "
Mr. Aiken, on helng excused, asked
: whether ! the Secretary intends visit
Ing'MauL before returning home. Mr.
Fisher - said he hopes to- be--able to
visit Maui and. inspect .some of the
homesteading experiments mentioned
; by the land agent
; In response to .a question : by Mr.
Fisher, Ashford stated his - opinion
' that three years, bona fide residence
on homesteads should .'be sufficient
r- to' Derfect 'title in this, resrard. -: He
also thought that the choice of the
. homestead system to .be followed
should rest with the homesteader in
stead of the Governor on the .Terri
torial" administration. " i
Th tURrnsRlnn then urn': nn Ippo.1
adjudication of the Governor's discre
tion under the present laws, and Ash
lord, while admitting that the Su
creme Court- has- held against the
homesteader In the Kaiwiki case, said
that this - case did not involve., the
Question of the Governor's discretion.
Attorney Olson thereupon referred to
another case, the-Graham -case, in-
' volring the Governor's discretion, bad
; been settled inffavor of. discretionary
cowers for the Governor, in , the Cir
cuit Court : Secretary , Fisher, said
, this would not' necessarily mean fi
nal adjudication of the question. ;
Richard Ivers Called. : ; , r '.y'y,
After this, Richard Ivers of Brewer
& Co. was called upon and asked as
to his ideas ca homesteading. Mr.
Ivers , declared that it woull f be a
.' rood thins for the sugar trade7 to
tare the lands held. In. smaller-hold-iiags,
provided that the "lands would
'be realJy worked, as -this, would solve
the pressing1 labor problem. ' . '
tie tol.l ho thrmfht h nlnntatfnnB
mav v w -
would be glad to make contracts witn
the homesteader-.:, " ,. :.,y.- ..V; :..
V Referring to possible competition of
sugar mills for cane raised by home-
steacers, Mr. Ivers said that no mm
would be willing to increase its ca:
pacity. without assurance of a con
' tract of. some. years.. ...-.
He declared that there is actual
competition among Hila mills, and
that he has never heard of an agree-
as to the price- they would pay for
lift also said there Is' much
misconception as .to the sugar, profits
per acre here.
.. Rrrtnrv riKhr then turned to the
question of whether there is any 'wa
tering" of stock by plantation corpor
- iationa, Mr; Ivers said that possibly
:in two or three instances plantations
which were unusually and nnexpect-
eaiy proniauje, more jaifeuk ua?o uccu
put in stock than, the actual invest
'', ment in the plantations. , , . j
Asked,- as to the relative efficiency
U of i various races Mr. Ivers said this
depended on. the occupation,, siylng
that Hawaiians were most efficient
as teamsters, combows, - etc"; .. Portu
guese at pick and" shovel work, and
Japanese in cane hoeing and work; of
me iiawaaiau, uiu uuuum, wuccuo
the Portuguese working "for himself
" now is as progressive as ' the Jap-
He declared that "there is no work
in the Hawaiian Islands that v the
do If he chooses to
If he were conscious of ' any antag
onism on the part of the' community
to. the - planting . inleresta--.Mr. .Ivers
said he Is not conscious of any such
feeling except possibly on the part
of a few IndiTiduals who had lived
here a long time, and "seen opportu
nities pass them by. . i
He also said that the pineapple in
dustry's prosperity depends upon the
sugar Industry indirectly. :
.He said three Brewer & Co. plan
tations near HIlo last year paid an
aggregate of about JS50.000 for cane
cut ' in the field last year.
Work for Immigrants. ' '-.
Mr. J vers briefly reviewed the work
of the Territorial Board of Immigra
tion. He said the Russians, - while not
good plantations , laborers, are good
workers in other occupations. . . '
Fisher asked: about the obstruction
of Immigrants going away," bringing
up the matter of immigrants arrested
as. witnesses when trying to getaway
to the Coast Ivers said this might
have been done in one or two in
stances, and .explained briefly the
raids made on Hawaiian labor in the
past ; :: :;l y v, ;;, .
Mr. Ivers told . how California . ob
jects to immigration' largely because
of the fact that laborers have, been
brought from Hawaii and become pub
"I can understand the 'exasperation
you feel here when you bring in labor
at considerable .expense and someone
comes , along and takes it away from
you," smiled Secretary Fisher, r a
Ivers was asked by Attorney Olsotf
a little later if he knew of any home
steads taken up v under. , Governor
Frears administration which , have
since been sold or leased. ; Mr., Ivers
said ., he .... did: not .-.-.:,;.-This
ended" 'the - morning hearing
except; for 'some' desultory question
ing -on - minor ,points; and- Secretary
Fisher announced- that the hearings
will continue at 9:20 ' o'clock,' iomor
row-moraine.-'i;- i ,.r ?---..- r.
DETAILED STORY OF
; Fisher: - Welt, gentlemen, we . will
not wait' for the Delegate; ; Mr, Ash
ford Js here. - :- ,1
Mr, Aiken," will 'you; take 'one . of
these chairs over here?-
I understand that you are planning
to go away at noon and before yon go
I. thought we had. better take advan
tage of your being here to ask you
some questions. - .What ils your
4 Aiken: -
Worth O. Aiken. .
Where dp you live? ; i
In Makawao,. Maui. . V-1
What 4a'. your- occupation J
Small farming- generally., f
Whea;dld you .first come
to the Islands?
Aiken: In 1891. ! V- :.. r'. - (
Fisher: And if I may ask, how old
were you then? , ;1; . , (
Aiken: About; 18..-" t
' Fisher4 How soon did you begin to
work for yourself 7 ,0'i.: r ; - f
Aiken: .What do you meant V J
Fisher: Well I mean independent
ly,- of your own1 accord; tell us how
you' got into the Government "employ.
. Alkeni; I . went , into .the ' Govern
ment .employ ,when X .first. came here.
At first. Ltaught, school ;-vtn- fact I
practically. worked for. myself the sec
ond' day after I. landed here, r . ; ,
Fisher;: . When did you. first become
what v you call a "small farmer ? . o'
. Aiken : Well; like many others, I
came here and acquired a wife and
family and- had to do something to
support them, so I started to Jrork for
v Fisher: -What year was that? :
. Aiken:--In 1900.- . . . ;
Fisher: What did you do, tell : us
about It . ''--iy-:z: . ;
Started Small Farming , !
'- Aiken: Well I had to get; a house
for myself, so I looked ' around . and
found-.a place that'-waa vacantxand
bought it ' rj ,r-
' Fisher: Where was thjs? r
Aiken: ;In .Makawao. . . ,
v Fisher: ' On what isbind? . : "
Aiken: Maui. :' ,' Is- V -"' ' -
; Fisher v How large a tract was It?
; Aiken: Some, 300 acres. 1 - .
Fisher: Did It have ft house.on It?
Aiken: Yes -hn," 'vw? 0
v. Fisher: Who owned it?
Aiken:? At the time I bought it it
belong to an Englishman named von
Fisher: i Did he havev-a UUe to tne
land: did you' buy it : from him?
Aiken: Yes .T, bought it from him.
Fisher: What kind of land was jt?
To what was -it-best adapted?. --
Aiken: -It was originally planted to
01 tcoffee: it was wea aaaptea to lu rans
He said the steady wojlr of it wert planted : In cane..; The cusj-
Do they' own thelr lands?
white man can't
do so There Is a good deal of sentl
1 menf, against a - white man working
A in the. fields." , L -; ' :
Asked if a successful homesteading
system; by whites would result in a
system? of- tenant farmers -by v Japan--ese
or jothers; he said he didnt know.
- White 'men might stay if . vthey; could
make good living. ; -",.v' - -.N:,-
"Dof the plantations want . to bring
these immigrants here as laborers or
as land holders ?" asked f'Alr.. Fisher
'.: crlsplyJ--;:'!-: '. ' i-",' -
-In the beginning they "might have
cbmeas labdrers,, but I -don't rthlnkv
Mr. Secretary, that you" will find that
the plantations are In favor of Jand
hodlers.".,. . , y ... . .: ' ;
s Air. Ivers also' ventured the opinion
that if; fifteen years ago the Islands
were cujap into homesteads tha
now either the system would oer what
it is at 'present or there would be no
sugar industry here.- A laugh, was
raised when Mr. Jvere said the plan
tations are not in -business for -their
health. : : . . V
' : Secretary Fisher queried Mr. Ivers
as to whether or, not if ; there - had
'been. a law against the large private
holdings, ."the government would have
developed the industry. 'Mr. Ivers
doubted if the government could
havelone; it as successfully as pri
vate capital has done. ; :
Feeling Against Planters. . - r - ;
The Secretary, then .asked Mr. Ivers
torn was at 4hat time, to plant cane on
the upper lands where there was more
rainfall; and use the' lower" lands for
dairying purposes. ;
. Fisher:. What was it being used for
when you bought it?. .
. , Aiken: Chiefly 1 for dairying. . v-
Fisher ' What did' yot pse it for
Have : you ever undertaken ; to t raise
any cane ' on it? -f--:-' f
Aiken: No. - tV;'
Fisher: Are there other small far
mers in that vicinity? , V ; '
Aiken; .Yea. ;r ... .t.'r
1 Fisher:- There are quite,a number?
Aiken: Yes sir. r . '
Fisher: How large tracts' o they
own?" , . '" -''" A
. : Aiken: Well anywhere frpto 40 toj
100 acres. v - i ; :
t. Fisher: ijAre theyxwhat hajeoeen
called whttfesCJif re in--ihii- discussion,
or HawaJIanarpr. Portugusir, rfr Ja
panese? "gr.i : :
Aiken: f WU .we have, 'practically
all T races-, 'thre---ChInese, Japinese,
Portuguese,' Hawaiians and Twhltes,"
as you call them. 1 - I
Marry. Small Holders. . ; v i - o. -
Fisher? ' Among ; these : people ; are
therethose who have small holdings?
:: Aiken: Yes, sir. : .,. r. . i!
Fisher: t.Iow,- do any of them raise
cane- on -Cherlands? -. ' :-
Aiken: No. v ' ,
Fisher: - In-jwnat kind of farming
are ; the'y-csually engaged?
Aiken: . Some hundred odd Portu
guese families are , living Just back of
us; their chief crop, is grapes. There
is a winery i there and they sell their
grapes , to the - winery. VThey; are alo
raising . a great innay . vegetables
Which they take to sell ' in .the planta
tlon . camps., below, . . "
" AJlten r rThey own; their own . lahds.
Fisher: .v. How ? did they" acquire
titleby purchase from' individuals.
or by homsteadings from the Govern
ment? y v .-' 'y:-y y-'r-yyy v. :-
Aiken: Most of : them ' were ac
quired by purchase; ; but some were
acquired from r tha Government; by
homesteading. . - x
Fisher: Had the lands which they
acquired ever w been -used ' to raise
sugar. .cane? -y- y ' y . .
Aiken: No,' they had never been
used for that purpose. "
- Fisher: Was none of this: land
which . is held In small tracts ever
used' for sugar cane land?. t ."
Aiken: . Well, with the -exception
of. 8v part of the .tract I have -and. a
little below,' that is lower down, but
not much of ft -.y..: y,::- v
Fisher: ; . Are ' there - large ; sugar
plantations in that vicinity? , : ;
: Aiken:, Yes, within a mile of my
place there is a plantation camp, .but
they., are .for the -most part . further
down.- I believe 1 : am , the highes
planter In ; the Territorfy : (In eleva
Fisher: - Would this land belonging
to - these small . holders be adapted to
raising sugar, cane? ;
Aiken Yes, 'certain . varieties.
; Fisher?-- 4s there any reason why
the lands to' which yon havereferred
coold not be used to raise sugar cane,
except that the people preferto;ralse
otner crops t --
; Aiken:- No.'they. are- not as: wel
adapted to cane raising, but cane can
be raised there.- ' ' : -:: -v .s : -y ;"k :
',x Fisher: T&e 'fact that, cane' is not
raised here is not due to. any un will
lngness on-the part of the plantation
to take thp. sugar, that is raised?
Willing to take Sugar; y ;
. Aiken : The plantations are always
wllllngto ; take v.anTr sugar ,that is
raised.- :y.. y
- IFsher: -When did yon become con
nected with the -Government and : in
what 'capacity ?.ft zyyy.?. -k"' , y,v.
.. Aiken: In 1901 1 'wast employed Jn
the .Tax Department, where I, worked
f(' Fisher: What duties did you : have
in this omcei
Aiken: ' I - was . Deputy Tax "Asses
sor and Collector for ;the district;
: Fisher: 1 Then'.you Are thoroughly
tamuitr with the land situation there
, Aiken :'- Yes. sir.
. Fisher r 4 Have i yoli - been connected
with' the Government ever since?
Aiken: Yes. : "i ; v
Fisher: In what capacity? 1 "
r, Aiken: I was . Tax . Assessor , for
some 13 years r-and in 1905 I was ap
pointed 1 Land ,- Agent for the district
tPisher; K.What are your duties? '
;juxen: : as LAna, Agent f i vsuper-
Visei the government' lands .there.
chiefly and i after . the .landsnre
opened - up. and cut ' up into lots" for
homesteads everything 1s put in my
hands " to i receive applications:
have general charge over f-the whole
thing, ff'y. V . i -t:e
Fisher: -: How much land has beeh
opened.' to homesteaders under your
supervision," approximately, of course?
Aikenr , l suppose perhaps 6,00a br
7,000 acres. -- . f -: sw..-j j
Fisher; ; Tell us ixt 'your , own way
what your experience, has, been , with
the lands that have been 'opened up.
? Aiken : n WeiL the first tract open
ed was in the Nahiku District, about
100, acres of land, ,; In sl89Z. great, ex
pectations were had for this -land, as
coffee land. '. It seemed ':, . very ' well
adapted as , 'coffee ?, land.' , However,
there SeemecL; to: be no-money in the
coffee,,industry, ,as. the' cost of plant
ing was, too great But most of. the
settlers , proved ;iip by.; living there the
required ; time. I ; A, majority . were Por
tuguese, y -Some of the . lands' were
taken up by : white settler?' under. Spe
cial agreements, which contained .no
residence ; clause Cbut required that
money : be ; pu in ; improvements.i Most
of . the. lands; were acquired Thy ;the
settlers. and patents issued.
iPUherv What happened after .they
got. their patents? .v i
Aiken;WeIl, later: the coffee" In
dustry proved, not. to be a uccess. The
land .then- laid ' idle, lor ' some timel
Then an attempt '.was made, "to start
a sugar j?lahtation-there;" r:. :"yy
I: Fiaheri Who : attempted to start a
.sugar plantation,, there ? . .
plantation : Proved; Failure. 'yi I
wAikenr,; It ;wasi started among the
settlers themselves. '.But it proved, a
f ailare, as ' the Jand : proved ; not , to be
adapted ? to I'cane, :; so V the : plantation
was finally closed, down. Since that
time the lands - have . been - . standing
idle.; -y:tyi-: 'y ''yyyyy' - '.y--y-y,y
Fisher; Have they been ; sold? tf;
: Aiken: ? Three rubber ; . companies
are., planting' rubber there how ' ;
. Fisher;v-Who. are the people?
1 .Aiken:-'The" holdings are "quite
numerous- " , , '-.c - :. -;-0
,'Flsber : Are ': they people'of- large
or: small means?:- ,.v ; . ; j
V; Aiken: .. People of moderate means,
sher: :Eyen ; the. "rubber ,experir
ment. is not, .being carried on; by peo
ple of large means? ': .'-;:
Aiken: -Now ; ' ;'v;'i"i
Fisher; 4WelK what:: has happenedf
-.uj.tnaiT . y.yy --,y--
' " Aiken: If is running along all
rightv The Nahiku Rubber Company
is , getting 'along fine, and expect . . to
gef enough; rubber next year to pay
dividend--.; - '.xr
sher: -rAre-the settlers still liv
ing on these lands?--- v ,
Aiken: Most of them have moved
away; but. some, are working for the
rubber company. - . ,
' Fisher: Then that effort has -'not
resulted in getting a population qn
the grounds? "
' AJkeni- No, for. the reason that the
cliinatlevieonditioiis. are. not favprable,
andtSodue .to the matter of trans
portatidn . . i : .v -.w r
- FisherrWhat was the reason -for
the.vfailure of .the . coffee plantation?
Reasonstor. Failure. . : .
' ,'Aiken ' The chief . reason , for fail
ure was due to the expense of i pick-
ing- the; coffee; with, the price they
had to pay for-labor -they could not
compete with the market f ,
Fisher: " Was the . failure due ' to
high cost of picking, or to the. lack of
transportation facilities? ; .
Aiken: -Well, "mostly to ' high cost
of pickings, as they didn't get as. far
as marketing, their coffee. But the
expense of . transportation would have -
fla"a gotdeal tbth'ttV'failure,Tt'eV:r'T i.OOO acres was prac-
I ai the roadv wdUues". werpcoK'-The
lands are. rainer nigh ftp m the woods
and no; roads, op to, the different lota.
VI Fisher: Now you spoke' pf the cost'
of picking why did It cost so much
torpiek the coffee! : .
- '- Aiken: Well laobr could not be ob
tained for less - than a dollar a day,
and -picking is a' alow process.
Fisher: Did the settlers themselves
pick' the coffee? - A . -:
- Aiken: '.They worked ; themselves:
most of them were , Portugueses; but
had to hire additional -help -when the
.coffee', needed t to f be picked; aM the
'expense wasi what, made It ' ncprofit
&ble a-'-V- ; ",. y : y v -
- Fisher? Then they 1 subsequently
tried sugar cane on these lands and
this-turned out badly? v- .
.Fisher: .Was this due to the clima
tic 'conditions, or to transportation
facilities in getting the cane to the
inlU ?": .r--?'' ,',r r ' r"'-', -v-?
yl Aiken: ; The failure was purely due'
to. the character iot4he soil. and clima
tic conditions;'' ' They, never got to the
polnt;otgetti& to a mUL j ' s ;;;,.
Fisherl 'TVItlt what - other home
steading venrnre are you acquainted?
' . Aiken: . Tjiere has ..heen yery: suc
cessful . homesteading a Jittle : further
along, in the ; nature of opening up
small; holdingstin taro lands ; In - the J
- ien.hQuse- kjtsT.pf, two or - three, acres
iach and rfrpnfjonf-fealf tq one acre of
a.land v;So -i ar-they.have - been
yery successful and-are;"doing ery
. Fishert " Now; where df these peo-
ple work: da they, conflne. theirilaobr
;egclusivelyy. tOi the pwnttaro:patch,
or AO they work m tne neignponn
plantations?;:; t r
Work im-Roads. ;" ; ;
: VAIkenr ' There is no plantation, itt
Ithat. vicinity ;J but they . get work on
the roads , and trails ' being built -in
'that' locality.'' 'J&yv-- i Si-rait
i Fiaher : Sunoose this: road 'work
should cease or; largely diminish, then
they'would. have; to 'depend 'Upon 4ly-;
ing' upon- tne proauce wai iney; wso
Do you think-they' could Amake ajiv
;fng on thelr.own products if this work
,were .taken ;away Jron tnemi
5. Aiken : Yes. L think they raise su
fl dent food ;;Ior, thf mselvea rthere. A
good many .-gOfdbwn.5 to.the Kahulul
i s a! lrftail : Comnanv and 1 work: . some
go . to Hana andworkr; off ne piania
Hi Fisher: How far are these planta-
tions . from the .homesteads t y i.
'Alkenr -Hansi Is bout 25 milesi
"somef nlantatiohs .are -4Q or: .50 miles.
?-Fiskerr Dothefamilies, stay on
the homestead, or do they take them
with them? - ,n vv "yyj
..-JAlken:; They .usually- stay .on. the
h ' Fisher j Thisftara-landwould .it
be Adatped to sugar cane if .these peo
pie were not living on it?; ";- v
t- Atken - Yes. but -not greatdeal
of ' It: ; but .part ot It. wbuldundoubt-
Wuf enra rT
j - Fisher: - yvas k goy.erumeuw uu iu
the -beginning? xr v ..
A'Van- vVM fflr.S.t
.Fisher: .'Whit pother ; experiment
hAn' tnadA; in homesteading? V
; r Aiken: ' : A.; aumoer oi experuuuo
have beensinaaer ' a uiwmi;cuw
up ' in the ;earlyvld,ay Int Kahakuloa
But. it. was. opened up in Jots of- too
lai .An ftTea-DMst-of -the 'People
who applied tor: the lots" were Hawaii
ans. v The -- lands - were -also xoo ? uxy.
There are sdmeTery choice taro lands,
hhW in "KahakuloaJ-vSo thabeach
'man'received a lot of 'drr -land, and
n iiAditJoTi'eot'his taro land It proy-
,ed an entire; failure as far as tftevPr
per lands were eoncernea. v-une or me
reauirements Xwas f: that the ; lands
Should be fenced.' ;It.wasan-absoiute
Tnnnefl.hiiifv. to- fence; some w of i tne
lands. The Hawaiian 'cultivated, the
Ham lands', and ' Paid 'no! attention tt
the upper land ? tne consequence
that' ihtihie alHthe -heldings wer
eluded in the holdings. .were they, and
canceUed tbo? W :
'.Aikeh:t' Yes slr.t ; The taro 'land
was a part of the lot .( yM . v
Fjsherv Havethese higher lands
evef been susceptible to: improvement
by anybody? fTt& -kWjSt
' 'Aiken' They are only? good for seo
ond class 'pasture, land. . ' -. ; ;. i
Are .they-now;. being cusd f or. any-
TheV are5 still being, used by ; Ha-
waUans fon taro Janas ; -.ine . uyc
lands are noW1 underrlease. 1
" To whom are'theyj leasqai s ;
orixinally leased in four
JoU to four Portuguese parties. They
are : no w ' leased to; l.wp'fwhlte men,; I
What did they'try to do witn ui .
'Raise' taro.4--"---- ; --"-: ' it
'Whatare ' the 7 present . hoiaers wyr
ng'to do'wlCn'ii? '-1- i,jsixu 4
Raise taroVv By-cbmbining ? the
whole - four ! lots-and being raDie t
t;iff;ito.tt- id-forth- they fefeope j.to
make something' out bfUt ii.-': :-': ,"t$
i-Then- you' dont! think- that? land is
k-matter of a greats deal ot import
atiMi' anyway.: .f cvr
I think that the annual rental - ue :
tically taken, up i by four families.
How "did the four families manage"
to take It up la 60 acre, lots? v . ;
1 dont' think they' were bona tide
homesteaders, as some were boyi
from 18 ,to 21 years ;of agel: V
Were-they vail . boys, and ' men, or
were sometof them girls? ; j, '
-Some of them were girls. A: ; v
; How ;weret they. : going . to. acquire
them-rso up:, and live on the land ?
..TheT.sons and daughtera lived there
and the old men work the land. 1
.Did they -finally acquire patent? 1
s y es, . they finally ; acquired patent
uai uaic inej oone wim KI
.Well the four tracts -are fenced in
common . and ; pigs 1 are' ".being raised
on the land.'' : : '::'ry : ': . : -;
f-tit is not -a very high grade of land.
tnenr r . ; ; .- ;
No, It Is second-class pasture land.
What about any other .experiment?
Before Frear Administrattorv '.""
There 'are one or two other experi
ments. ; Right : here ' i f would ; explain
that .those experiments to y which I
have referredwere made before Gov
ernor Frear'sTadminlstration. ;"
: What since that Ume ? - - 'y ) '
Several different -times there have
been applications for homesteads and
the opening; up of tracts.; ' la one or
two ' instances 1 1 was, instrumental in
keeping the tracts from being opened
up.v-: When -to'mymind - the conditions
did not warrant .their being openetl I
epoKe reiy. 'frankly,, - One ; tract ;of
land haa oeen . .opened ;-up' receqtly
which'- lies vbetwepji "Kfn.V-tw-n
Ollna.'--I nave hid lnfre or less to d(J
with that y? ' 1
.Fisher: - What kind of land la it?
Aiken: So. far it has only, been used
as? pasture land. .1, do. not .know, of
anything so; far that could .be profit-ablygrown-
upon that tract. That ii
the- reason why; I- have so far opposed
it; , ranch . corporation w has been
trying : to . secure. . it , from, the f governr
ment." rfeei; that the jgovernment
should hold on ; to'fthose lands; and
some time they-can be used for some
thing besides grazingjland, y
: Fisher:, rilave there been any : de
mands for 'homesteading ; land . nnder
your jurisdiction: where the land was
adapted, to- the cultivation ;of coffee,
cane 1 or i pineapples ty .yy . ; v- v. .:
" Aiken; The tracts which their are
now ; homesteading , at v Haiku, and J
wmca-.waa opened -last-year,r is suit
able - for? pineapples . i '.a ; ;-;t; J
vFishei TeU us about that; . how
large a tract :-Is that ? -1 -S .yXl
The: Haiku' Lands.. . "-y y
Aiken f iThla was originally private
land,, owned4 by a plantation i interest
there. ; At the time Of - Governor Car
ter's administration - IV recommended
that thV government iry ?to secure
possession of; this-, tract J by : exchange.
There rwas some land that could have
been,: exchanged for t', which jwould
have been of. value , to the plantation,
but; as far- as ; the' government's : pur
poses were concerned,' it is practically
valueless; I -therefore? tecommended
an . exchange. : Howeverv- Governor
Carter did , not take . the matter " up :
and - when Governor- Frear came into
office,, and7 during hla first' visit -to
Maui; I . brought the matter up: to 'him
and-he immediately -took-it up, 6aw
tne advantage we could gain by. own
ing, it. andi put tbe deallhroughi ac-
quiring,the land.- -i , t J l v-?
Fisher: What . had it been used . for
prior to its" acquirement: by. the . gov
ernment r'? . ':- ! r
M M t
. . Ill
jit mT ,
r ii unci uom
v . ... .,
no more cWvcr
stvles or fabrics
than :we. ;And
this isvduc to our
ability to control
.the agency in this
city for the
clothes - not only
exceed all o the r
ready - to wear
clothes vin style;
: and. quality, but,
t ........ .
they f , v '
COST LITTL E
Cornd Hotel St3.
THE ONLY Cbr rpS
' E!ccSr:ca!l T
- Started and L UN L
K22lr-f1f"!: Ss;-j4oor touring Qr. V i' - c
MODELS 41-4, Psssjc4sntau. '
!JODEL 42 Roadster tykth the splendid new (07
-H c-otor, 4y2 ia.ia. stroVe ; 40 H.P.
MODEL SO 7- PassssTer5r rm-n'n'y Ct: V ,
MUUtLL 52 Roadster trokh th? rtw "T" head
5 in. bore, ri in str'- -. is r
iSSS is-i .. --.n-M " iiimi -
?: Aiken: Yes, I guess that wd from. the pjantatiou. iixto the sLIp?
Fisher: - What do you ithink that
land is, in. fact adapted to? ' j '
Aiken: In - mv. opinion that is the
best .pineapple , land iff the Territory.
isner; what, has been the history
of; its use -since' it.was 'acquired by
the; Territoryj.; 'v--.,,;
Aiken; It -was opened, up for home
steading last year and -given out to-
a (Settlement -association- the Califor
nia ' Settlement Association.' The, chief
holders of the lands are 'white' set-
tiers and most -of 'then front Califor
nia. I will say without .the least-hes
itation . that that Is the first real
homesteading, in ; my . mind, that ' has
been- carried Aott in the Territory. x
Fisher; - Jiow large are - the" tracts
Aiken: Approximately 40" acres. '
i Fisher i And i how man v. ofithem-
have bees .taken .. uptr.- v-rf.l...
Aiken: About 24 or 25, I think, r
Fisher: And are they - all - white
settlers? . '. - .. -. 1
i -Aiken:: I-think' so: ' - yy'-
Fisher; How -.large , a - portion of
them.vare from the mainland?
. Aiken: About' half of. them.'.
Fisher c 1 How. . did neonle on the
xhalnlandMearn about the lands ,and.
Decome . inieresiea rotinemi. A ' -
Aiaen : .Well, I thinkjithey-leajmed
about them from -parties here...' ;
Fisher; ' Thea some people here in
terested -themselves .ia ' getting set-
Uers 'fTomCaIifornla?"rr,?'" : :
Aikenr xYesU I) think soif t .nC';':. ;
Fisher: Were there any other ap
plicants for the land other than those
people? ' :y ' :y:t
Aiken: I ihad. never ? received anyH
u a. mi - . J
application. 3 . mere was more or less
talk 'about opening )th0..' lands, and. : a
number of individuaL Portuguese came
to me'' fronr time td time and 'asked
elude his own labor, which of
is. of some value. Under the r!
11 1 purchase lease system we are n
posed 'to receive any money 6
government is securing Is worth about
half as much as the-land themselves
are worth. - -'' ". . .
What are the facts about any other
experiment? y ;v -r-.iy.i-. .
Another tract,.ot. about 1000 acres
was 'opened .up.in.the.'dry section of
Kula. ' That tracts waa cut up .Into 50
mere' lots; yV think ; a mistake. was
made at the time, and to be frank, l
L was ;very much against opening up
the lands, at all..
' When were they opened up?
'. in : Governor Carter's admlnlstra-
You say that ,you were not in. favor
of it.at the time?: . - " '
. .No.:i yas.tiot in favor of It They
were opening' them up as agricultural
lands-and they were only .second-class
pasture lands. I think it-,waa: simply
yielding .to political pressure "that the
tract was opened up.
What do you ' mean by political
pressure? . . v
' Well, the influence of auite a num
ber of people was brought to bear- on ;
about the land, out nobody really ap
plied for it At that.time-an official
application had to be made at the
main ;pfficeere JnHonolnlu.-r ; l;had
neveK seen-any, other ..official appli
caUons at alif ' ; '-" e : '
Fisher: r Have .the people actually
gone on the ground to live? : : c
Aiken: Most of them are not re.
qulred to. be ; there until next April ;
the lands were taken . up; entirely, un
der right of purchasd'lease ' " "
Transportation Problem,' ";-J
' Fisher: Now take 'the transport
tion facilitles'there-how are they?
Aiken: -Wellthat Is one of ' the
things - that: I have been rather agitat
ing with' the " governor.; The : law
states: that the proceeds derived from
the sale of public lands may be used
for the building of roads. Now the
pineapple business"' Is. an expensive"
one. to get started, it. cost 'about 1125
an acre to get the' land planted.
Fisherf He has to put that much
money in in addition to his labor?
: Aiken:. Yes, in addition; to pibw
ing; clearing thelands and- the .pur-
purchase price for three years.
fore there is no money coming ii
which totbuild roads. : , ; - n
; Fi8her: That is the road ani
what about the' qpestlon of steal
ana rain a , . ( ..
Aiken: We: will 'have
s Fisher: v"Doe3; the boat go tten di
rect from. there to San Francis:, or
doe3 the; freight have , to to ivzr.z-
Shipped?, t ; ...
Aiken: Goes direct to San Fran
cisco. . :. . ' ' '.' ;
What Is the freight from thef 3 to
San Francisco? " . ; -
53.00 . a tea.
I. think about 53.00 . a
transportation, facilities withld"ot r frfiizht to New Ycri: vii
next few months. We have a Mexico) is $0.60 a hundred la carl-: 1
harbor,' and steamers running ilotg .
from New-York- and San Francii tnn nr. entirely by ti -
-Kahului; andwithin the next s hnndred -
cigiii. muuiua w? wuj uave a raM We pay entirely by tne nunGrea u
completed right :-f to this yhomelioJi iota- .
tract . . .. i .,pvpw'L;.av'tiere ever been' any att-ni'?
maud.. wua.i are iae raies to nomesieaQ goeiuuicu.
'. on;the road? f -, y j , " Wi Maul? : ' -v ' ."' ;
AIken:;t idon't know; the caJ Thereare no' cane lands
rates, has not been Issued. I o ' the .Government ,in Maul, e.ce
- Attn thA Anrr : farnitjoa n-nrair,m narrow striDS 'near tne coun-
f the railroad .company, the - Gotains which have been under leases
mant or the
r ' They are owned
. " n c lauic ui nui- liiClt; . utJ U . -i
;age facilities? : ri ; - . , taade by - some plantation for a rc
i .-.ilt win Yin tn h n--f nnt nowal of the' lease. .These lana3 arc
Hffhter. ' " . hnt laree in areas; in fact, they aro
V there?.: -'' , ; v : r Would they be appropriate.
! ' Well, "they cbaree usually ; at" homesteads?
rate of 12.00 to $2.50 a4 ton for i Itis a mere matter
company, the - Gotains which have been unaer iez,.
steamship company but which, leases have not expire .1.
wned by the railroad Fisher: What is being dou3 wuu
eight have to be senihose-lands? '
.road freight and lighterage; y
"4 '.Then It costs' from $2.00 to
of ; securing
ater to the lands. : v nnoui
: (Continutd on Pas 7. ;
the subject ; ana it .-was.ropenear up. chase ;of - the plant--. -: - -
As j say, if it had been opened up as Fisher: Does that include his own
pasture yland.it .would have. been. bet- labor? . .
FISHER DENIES LA CK SUPPORT FOR FREAR,
RAPID TRAfJSlt.Efi; DOES PEACE.POLICY, -
NEVV ARhlY ACT.JO. LTffFICERS;":
fire at;schofiel d.bracks? " V;. .
Y: M." C. A. READY F ORtC WORK,
DR. MARSHALL OP ER AT) OM SUCCESSFULLt,
T DEATH OF W. H. STONE,
t : ': . '-. . :.--. :--' .1
;f Jic thnf ann e LI i a
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