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HONOLULU STAR-BUIETD? JUESPAyTJBETTlO, 1 91 2,'
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Delegate" 6ti Immrgratlori. J4i; --
Ashford. The Delegate Is entirely
in favor . of getting Bettlers from the
mainland, but1 is not, - of . course, in
favor of discretion In their favor as
against residents of the Territory.
' Ashford: Mr. Aiken, are yon famil
iar with this land ' on the Lahalna
side? : . " - v:" ' '
, Yes. -;-. ,-
Have you inspected the land Itself?
of your xperi nce-s-r understand -yon I
are in the sugar and general commis
Mr. Ivers: Yes. 9
.Q. How extensively.
A. Well, I am connected with one of
the agencies here that repre8tUs
some 15 sugar Plantations and one
pineapple plantation. '
.;' Q. v How long have you been con
nected with the sugar business here?
Aiken: Not recently not for aj-earf
"A; About 25 years.
7fin vrfrrT .'fpTv' f Vvp3
Agents for Hawaiian Islands
or "so. '..;: ; . . x v.;
Ashfurd : Have you inspected the
1ana ot' limit t
h. Q.-Have you been present at any
previous sessions r . j -
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ALCOHOL 3 PER cjeWtJ
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(Continued from Paqt 3)
they would be good for nothing. ;
: Does the plantation own the water?
How "does it get the water?
v The -water rights are leased from a
; ! . ranch .beyond, who sells- the water to
them. . "V '' ' " 'J- ' ' '
Would the homesteader be - able to
lease the' water from' that plantation?
I could not eayi ; The water at the
present tine la' under 'a considerable
long lease to the plantation, and they
V could - not' get a right 'tohe water
' U unless the plantation were Twilling.
Fisher; Is', there any otherobstruc
- i lion except .tht jsf ,xwate v;:
; '"No. " : , .;' '.-r.
' ; What else could : they grow there
, n besides cane? - .
, . ' I don't know what 'else' they 'could
grow there unless. it was cane. ,
, . Well,- then, you hare ! had ,no? fex
". perienco in homesteading cane land,
or in the operation of cane lands. In
small tracts by individuals?
Baldwin ' wade' the' statement' that ! if
we succeeded In placing, a successful
and desirable ' class of homesteaders
upon that land he, would Bee that' the
plantation themselves homesteaded a
thousand , acres more.. ; v : - - - -r
Ashfordl Ws" therVytalk at
! that time of placing that land 'at' the
oisposai ox, any particular group or
y Aiken r 'one 'tha f Imdw fcfr tt t
Ashford;,llow.; did it .4 happenUhat
tins uaiiiomia' betuement , Associa
tion was formed? r"
Aikeq: , IdonknowV except I be
lieYe Hhfough theefforts of Mr. Star
retL ?: ;v -u-:-: : .
Ashford:',Tell us who Mr. Starrett
;.: Alken:,H6 fs ' In Charge; of the
marketing division of - the ' Bureau, of
Agriculture; ' B, . , 7 ;V. ? f
- Ahfor4: Andr'wks - he connecteil
with the government at the time of
the - inception- Of ; this'-jplan?-? t '-k
,,iAikenv i.'donX'thlnlt he. was.jt L
:Ashfordf rWhat was his t-xsJass orl
vocailoa at . that timer; "-'.-. -r.
Aiken.:-.!'-tiont know. v -'s :-'"';.
I3e was not "settled "On; the Isianls?
; No..-. , ,; , . : - ; -
jWas there'any understandingvwith
Aiken: ;Ko,;I. have not been direct-Wl starrett to the effect that if that
:' ly In touch, with experiments; else
' where., I have always 'been, in 'favor
of Mr. Fairchild's plan.' .'I do not Re
lieve that the Territor of Hawaii
. would .benefit from the, homesteading
of cane, lands.'. I am not 'Interested
, ,. ; in plantations' I "have not eyerC.one
' -share cf- fcUraf." stock but. I do. not
believe that the .cane. business;, would
;.be profitable in such; small holdings,
and have always: felt as a.Iand'hold-
' er and 'an ' independent, small farmer
in the Territory that my prosperity
' and the prosperity of other " small
: farmers depends ?upon the sugar in
j.dustry being successfuL .! do not.be-
lieve a small grower could grow cane
v Buccessfully without "the price' of sug
ar beins: just right " ' '
V' Atihford 'NowncyrhTng-T'-thls
Haiku fxchange and its devotion to
,i homestead purjwses you have beeu
familiar with"1 - that 'from the start,
- have-, you? .:'-.
-. - Aiken:. '-.Yes sir;';- ; '- r
' : Ashford: t Can you .say .whether or
' not there was1 a plan to have thai
, land - devoted to . ,hpmest(Ead pur
; , poses in order to dispose of . It to any
: ': particular, people or class bf people
- or group of people?
Aiken : Do you know or any- plant
-.' Ashford:.' Yes.
' Aiken: Simply at the time this ex
'. change was talked about the orig
inal negotiation was made w'lth Mr.
11. P. Baldwin. V I .', , .
Ashford: He was the' bVner, Vas
. V he? - i. --.';'. .. . .-' ;V ; :
V , Aiken:' ' Yes, ir.; At that: time a
4 plan was then on foot to, extend, tht
railroad to Haiku. I .i believe'. 4 Mr.
t gone over them in detaiL , i u t r.
AMiu luai -i au . j 1115 fecv iwuiuib
tion-trpon. I wish you would. In your
own way, perhaps Jeir mfe; 'what yon
think bf the kttuaUoahe''.homestead
situaUonT .The4 "more especially what
we ought to do with-publltflanda here.
'"'A.' Itis; an eimely 1 difart It pro-'
po&idon to'decide.There has -been a
great "deal of : homesteadih. done fn
the' "Tprrit6xy wlthlii the 'last two or
three yearsl t'kiiow on one plantation
It is this-the b??rwentd-l)?r Brewef Co., the Ter
.riigry aas -were, uas &j reau j i ueen
vuuorawn awui vw acres ai cane.
land..';- '.. - '
Q. What has been done with , that
lsnd?- . A. ' : ; .zM
A. Over, 3000 acres of that land was
In cane in previous years. I think in
thece 3000 acres there was something
in excess of 1000 homesteads. These
various holding are assigned and with
the exception of a comparatively small
area about '.which : there is some dis
pute, practically all of "that 'land is
still, in, cane, but none by the original
w Q. vWhat happened to thpm when
they entered what did they fdb?4',:.v
,VA.iWell, some tofthem dfd really
ailtivate cane an& a good many of the
others; while "' ostensibly cultivating
really leased the land to;othejrsto do
Q Were, the homesteaders white or
AT TlierVvI'were "a .few , whites, but
most' 6t them-Vere Pbrtiigifese an
Hawailans. J.- '- ' ': W
XQr Is there any distinction as to th
way in which the' different nationali
ties or races handled their lands did
they . 't1-'- '0. s;
Ar Ttt' asa
general ' ruleH that Is 'there are sev
eral Portuguese today- who 'are still
Cultivating their Iands '? S t Z XiM
; Q.:i Were here some of them other
than . Portuguese ' ' . .:
,VA :Yes; tfiero ; were.-'l: j
r Q. What happened td thimT-
-A. '"After they ' acquired "title? they
leased 'the- lands": to Others who - are
cultivating thef1 cane. .;:.....;''
; Q. Did theyrbefore theyi acquired
title did they 'themselves' work on
the lands?- 0 ;'';';.' JW:Z .
A. The white peopled -f - V j - , -.
Q.:The; whltQ 1 peopl?t v ; ; 4;
A. f . They employed VtheWi they
lived dn thje; land , bntf worked usually
for the plantation ;an5 employed oth
ers ti their- cuUivat1fhg."'u '" ' .'
'Q. Who tt.it?they ; usually, eniploy?
i AiV'Japaneae. ; Chinese r'or Portu:
UUl. guue uicr uirui iu ucwuu',
-Fisher: Now with regard, 'to :;he
different classes or different 'methods
of homesteadlng--howV many methods
of - homesteading ,' do ; you .understand
are available here on" the . Islands?''.'.
. Ashford : I think four now; One is
Khe 593-year, lease. , " : 4-
Describe , that briefly, -J-
; A. v I have had really nothing to do
with1. It-of course ; I have ' read the'
statute several times
occupants after, staying a 'number'- - of
years on the land and complying with
certain' conditions as to cultivation,
building, tree-plantlng, etc., and pay
lng a very small commutation, may
then take a lease for 999 years. I be
lieve there ; is no rental ',; whatsoever,
practically a 1000 years' title with cer
tain restrictions as to alienation that
is a point which would, have to look
up-In the -statute book to refresh my
memory. Then : there is the freehold
agreement Well, thatvis . a .scheme
wbere the land Is put, up at auction
aid 'then sold to the highest bidder,
the. purchaser however, must hate'all J
andvfs expected brpay not tonly r'the-
price -01 ir. .at.aucnoa in tnai way.
be subject to" all the restrictions and
conditions -'in regardito residence
thereon,' tree ' planting; cultivatYon,'
non-allenatibn, etc;, for a numbe'r jof
years-three or five, whatever.it may
be.Tfa'fteH Which ?fie; cah getthis, fttle'.
The third "form Is the "jright of Pur-
4 chase ieAtseJ Where thefland Is4 apprals
hed ny appraisers Appointed by ' the
government and that appraisal may
Mbe modified up or down by the Com-
modified thin2 'itiltf modified rfbrin4 iit
will stand and usually if there is a re
vision', it ' has , been , downward' In this
territory v Then ' the " homesteader
Ukes his land at that appralsah goes
upon -It. lives and cultivates the nec
essary' numberyofyearsj.up to :21.; v fe
need not apply for title up to 2i years,
but In the meantime he has, to pay; a
rental equal to .8 per. cent perannum
ana ..compiles ;wuat ,auT me, cqnaiupne.
The fourth plan is what, is .called the
special agreement, - lOyear special
agreement- ;I think that was a crea
tlon, ofGvernor .Frea-r's :-e ptlrely.- I
haveVcomplalned a 'greaV deal o? i'1n
the . past " and'-'cbmptalln 6f , it "slflU ; al-
urougn i mniK n naa some jusuuea
tion: nbw'fn view of the" recnf 'enact
ment "by Congress But U never seenf-
ed- to me a desirable form of home
steading? -but nevertheless there it Is
this administration and in-many: in
stahces"' this ' a'amltilgtr'atWfi' '"has tfi
sisted- that It wilj -deal only upon, the
ten-year "alfreemeni' plan." 'That Is a
Dlan wrhereDyN'.i'lie' homesteader eoes
there is;ari appraisal ofWalueV and! pj,ed of theirjands1.: ,
iV a . V awi mm 4 mm 4a mmam . 4m4a 'nAflAAriaiAfi I . - . . - . . f "
and complies with : the conditions;
pare mem siae or.. siae in praer 10
We make 1 a specialty
.brushes; for. ail. kinds "of "con-"
i Cur stock" is the' la'rg'est In
.the .city, 'which 'ensures your
,w finding Just' whatv'yWwant . '
Only best grades carried.
; . Limited" -177
S. KING ST.
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as jthe bthersl -ii would have.'tb" com
cannpt obtain Jitle within ten-Vears.'-Well.'
'those'' are 'fhe V'four' differefa't
schenies, that'have been'attempled'td
havail been' followed Tto some'extnt,
Dili tne aamm'sirauon laieiy. is draw
ing its .influhce?' largely: to - the special
agreement plan. ):-"--j
Fisher:' I understand you think the
special ' JiO.yeir fagreement plan r;rrtt
"would , be; better ,i- we didnt, have -It?
Objection Uaised. ; k, r.
7 ; A. ; Well, ;i don't think itis 'desir
able . f rom ; the standpoint f.'of .v. our
homesteader:;-It harnesses him down
to many conditions and if the object
"be'tdT pr0lotigthe "tenancy before' the
party can get title and do as they like,
then that undoubtedly is - the best
adapted to that purpose, except the
,999-year lease..-. :Z
Q.-; -Do .you-vknaw; of anr;of these
v conditions "attached ! to the special
agreeinenf pp1an''that Imposes " any con
ditions 'o' the. homesteader that really
should i bo ireaented'Cby a' 'bona ; fide
honiesteader? ' -: '- ..' -v-r
A. Well, take a 10 year resident or
a five year resident Gl ren 7? that,
they 'provide: tor upatentf "after three
Ttar'k:te8idfmci';;.'!':. ' t ! i : -
i. WquIrfV;::f.ls live bnthel
land ; could !' be,, acquired: by - the gov
eminent, that he. and his friends would;
hYe. the. opportunity jof settling yiU
ci it would v be,; assigned tOt them ? Tf .
? jAlken: "No; no Euch thing as hat
was thought v of.' Prior, to . its being
acquired: there no understanding
of . that .kind, 5 as ,to . the . parties V to
w aoiji u . .Euoum..De assigned. waoso
lutely ' none. V. i'"T;1!'lt
'Ashford:; You haye fmenubneif
there were a number of inqulrfes made
of you regarding it l? You mentioned
particularly eycral : yopng ..fprtu
guese. What were ''the nature of
these Ihqulriest" ,'" ''-: ' '
. Tey merely, came, to askjme when
the land was to be cut rup. it; had
not been ; surveyed , at jthat vtl me 1
At. the time that these inquiries
were being made you were aware of
no plan to devote ft to parties not
tbea within the Territory t;-v ; - ,
'. iNot in any definite way at all. We
hbpedw b could 'get a class Of settlors
trj)m away;v h t ' -
v. ;What ;ihforfaation'kstritlolBs.,oti
guidance did you t give to.' these in
quirers relative' to the possibility , of
the land being opened? vrk' -::
Aiken : I referred them to this qf
fice here." "r;-v: v: ;;;';v;c:;:(7 V'.:;, ;:;;
Ashford:1 Do you know a man named
, Aiken: I do,
Did he tnak'e:
it of purchase5 'leaw5 Is 'sufficient
were'tp te'puj up'untir the very'lastfo: -t 'That lyotrean-tiiai
hand their v homesteads ln that ; re-
;;'(A.-;. Well.. the ' IfawaRansT of ' Ctfufs'tf
hlhey4ciUtIvated a' less area until they
got? ineir; uues,; ana ?inen , iney ais
Q.j They; sold ' the ;lands? '
Q:". To whom' did they' sell?
kT In kgooiC many peases- to iTapan-
i Q. ' The Japanese .ftp whom s they
i Ar TheyjWero 'inehS. ? djV'
:f&v:ftoy;"lif?Qi&er!' to J tring ' that
hate rthkVe ;is0me; aclequafb astfur-:
ance for fair "pay ment In the dlsposaf
fof "his, cane?"; ; '-: 'f-;;.;':;:; ''
What suradce youthin
could be f given ?.!'!:M . : . v fyf
AVWellr-thinlc all 'the" planta:
tions I ' thinkthe majoVfty'of then? '
are willing to entr, fintova fali con
tract. ' ''" "-'-'l'.:- A-'-;;, i'
":- Q;;1 It;:was -expressed byi'Mrl
SwanJfy' Lttiar heihought the plantaV
Uons would "4)e? willing ehtei--into
confracls fbr ten 6P fifteen1 years' aifd
takb a the' price' br sugar at, Phlladel
phia; San 'francisdo Or New York sd
would be entltIedto kt'eei-UiD- fixed
percentage of ; tie raw sugar' " :
i Ai- That Is very true those!s6rt-of
contracts-are' being inade-rery. 'Often':'
Q.; .You think the plantation would
be .willing :to -adopt vthatrsort Of boh
tract? r- z i'-ji
if A.., I .am snre;.'.The's physical -'features-of.
different- On some ! plantations cailti-
"vatiOB is ; a ;,comparai1reIy small ex:
pease, whiles on others, it is much
larger, especially.- rn ,wet ft districts,
Where the cultivation is a; heavy ex
pense and the transportation and I
manuiacture . are, iignter. -inererore
tne, pianiauon as; a, ; rnie -ouys k cane
either standing br la the flusae.'. :
, s Q.V There Is" 'no reason ''then Under
that system 'why', the, plantation would
hot, be willing to pay a certain fixed
yiice lueasurcu uu iue piiue ui raw
sugarrV'.:-. ; . ; ' s .
4 A. ; . Well, there5.' Is ;' Jhf s jfiekioH "" It
might cqst one .planitaticna f niore
great deal monr than""anohher ,r -r
0;lt mlghrbe; thatf ,5He maufac,
tory the cbst bf' 'manufacturing :. Is
Is no ' reason" Ss-hy "'that' pfanta'tio'n
would' not be willing 4 to accept the
A. - No. ' ' .. -:.
'Q- Now .what do. you think of the
question of competition in the manu
facture of sugar. : Itt! was expressed
Here yesterday, I thlnk by Mr; Ash-1
ford: that Iri his Judgment the home
steaders could rely upon the com pet i
iivef fttcilitless f or their Vcahe Do ' you
think that Is. true?
1 A. f .Well, Mr. Ashford made one
s(atement "that I' did 'not quite' agren
with-i-in reeard -:to Walakea-that T If
all the lands ye're homesteaded -'tuat
hr the miH .of the Olaa Sufaar
Company the Hawail Mill, or tho HHd
iugar company ' could "vinanufactiir6
the sugar -As a matter or fact. there
are - none of these "three?: mills' .'that
could handle all that jefop, in 'addition
to there own. ;.Naturally 'there would
not be vary; keen competition, and 1
notning aDout wnatstne plans wtre. rxight
we were-joklng-ackrand foythtand JA',' 'Thafie must five' there and
ipimvl la-.Bai'cU!ut "ahd inform 3 tothose, con-
,etwiU oe Prey nara up ?uen. we ditf6ns-;witWhHhat."time.;and -It, is
JVJT" "r;w.j luer. 1 bardly7o be expected that' a man will
Of course.'this was just a ;jpketbe-fv11 tHinWh' w Mrf, nno fw
There' fa r tipt ' ' enough 1 In : it to temp t
pxceptibtilocatfbiis' -and eiceptionai
Ashford f bid you 'ev-erv'tb ! Mrr ! Nel
son Koloa 'or 1 others' glve'he lni-
:::"7 "XaI Sum ahdareasV etc.:
mi uivu wmrv 'vu-7,ry auuo w vum
not be asslgnedFtbi residents !of : the
Terfitory, but- reserVed for; the tables
from the . mainland ? -;' - r -
'Aiken: '"No, J dqnt know1 'as"Iever
did. - I'.'i , -:!': --'-;.,
Ashford : v Did : yb'u ' haVe ahy such
idea ? yourself," - that ' they were hot to"
tQJ "Now'that will leavje 'the other
three!; Do "you; jthlnkon o ; fthose
three plana Should: !be: eliminated - H
ri Ai I db not know that they should
bef ellmlhatedlr bat ,1 do think that tLe
t -homesteader should: have " his .choice,
his ; free choice. lV ; . r : ;. ?. ,r--;: ;.-v.: .
i Q. f- You ' say ) tlfe , choice should be
Fish-er :f Do you.1 think it -would likve
been' an abuse "of discretion to ' have
tiers?, ".-:;'.; :;;-? ;
Aiken: If ' there was'such a discre-?
j tion, it might ; not, However, If the
local resiaents were to nave neen gen
erajly 7;discnrair.atdr against Tthere
might 'have been, a 'good reason -Tor; it,
l Fisher: 'The 'mere fact rthat 'Immi
Ifatibn frbm the ' mainland;' was eh
couroged was not in itself an objec
ticn. was 'it? :,'"-: k ' :-- ' : ''
withi'the, hbmestfeader and ' noV with
the government.1'1: ' . ';' .- " r.
V,A Undbubredly:' K-' Ihf i
O.' Yoii" think It ? should be obliea
tqry ihat th'e'government should glfej
the' ' homesteader ; ttig ? choice T '! A
"A. 1 think there' It seemsto
me that ' any plan that ,. was good
enough for the Legislature and good
enough; for Congress should be obli
gatory4 on the administration:
' :W p " V '- '. f .: ; ;
Mr. Ivers Was Then Called on. '
v.: Mi. Fisher: Mr. Ivers, would. you
te willing to tell us a little somethln
. f -' f r: 4:T-' -y - H : p ' . ' ; C;r: - i i -
."-' -Jiff- ; j-" .-.ir"Si" M-'-tt ' r Tv ' , ' ' -'--'i- ? N V-''. ' v' ' ' '';. ."v '. V
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ff a ' r - : .
II ,r" .''1.
ri, rrlt7 Vir Victim
JDralJy connected sharmcni-
. '" 'i TTJ''? ii ;! .
ocrs. use it in aa gir
; 'ders and beams. ; Dot
v5 away with; stirrups is
- : excecdihilv f labor and
.V' "- ! -. .: -. -; v;:-':-.v::,,,v ; time-saving. - '
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t - "'' - '- "--'p ;v -y' .- -'" ''.v' "--:-'-'-: -r -,; ..-'-. '- : - '
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- A square deformed Bar
: :":.r--IM- ' 1 -: ". - :' - v p -. - ideal fbrGolu.mns, Floors
" ' " ' and Wills;' Perfct
. y Bond vvith concrete.
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1; -- 7-:-' ;r ;; ' ';'-': : :;v;-v-'.. ' Use ;it; in Floors and
- pp ' u"' '''-: '.:::.-' "-pp:PP i- Walls. : Is essentially
f ;,; ;3:r: Jc-;: !v-r;---' ' '4Hx-;:r t; : w bar -rcinfoccm jnt-ni;; j
';Pi lt -:-; ; 'v..:;--' ...epardte' bars' Lanaiw J
-4i,'J . j mi f 11 11 '' mi l ' 1 ! -sm -;:. one piece, ico cq, ft.
...v;: ;;'p .r, . J; . ; j j . laid; in same time a
' : ;'v.. ; - -r-r,. :' -- , -single.bar " ';:
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Hy-Rib is a steel sheath
ing stiffened by rigid
deep ?rjbs No wood
forms required in floors
nndroofs no studs used
in walls and partitions.
-, - ' . ,
".. ft m 1 f .v- ; . . W. ' . '.. v . .
: VK;'vi'v-.; v iv.
N6te:the7Ribs in ibis
LflfH'. " Absolutely rigid;
"Hq'bending while plasJ
tering, and ' wider dis-
tancc. ' between
used than 'any other
Lafh - Jn the ' market.
Hest "Lath for'-" stucco
houses. -: -v.. v,'. .'.'..:';'' '
:asi for prices and catalogues
-Agent for Hawaiian Islands
A. ' No, we would want at contract
for some years to coverVthat.
do 'not think any one- of those mills would removeTthem as a ; competitor ' provided the price' is not prohibitive?
could double the capacity' without-from the adjacent' mlll. ' Sreat
very J poslUve assurance that they;- Q:i There is some xmplaint'in tht deal of toiseonceptlonasUie promts
were going' to get that .cane. ' .papers that a small mill of a public "" .-SJISf'M wfv
o -fn nthor rdR.. vmi trouid no A f , Q. ; are told,.for Instance, tat
i5t to unresiWcted compTM ST.ffl pliaUtloa
: . .. :t . . . malces.lZ or 14 per cent.
- nicn -n"; "11, - A:I know, but that 12 or 14 per
act untiMt got rid of the mill and .then. - ' , Tnat doe3
; it rai?ed the price. have been un- rtf Mmo n rrpM bania.
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Q. Well, that is the question that 0ie 10 se,e aai cure oum ue .,f they make 4o per acre for the
is one of'the very economic queslions ior that. Do you seeany. ;, . J entire. acreage planted on an unlrrl
that hjfs bothered men to see how a A. I do not know that, there is ac'' gated 'plantation that is doing very
homesfieider, ' in the absence of the" tual competition, "i I have ,never heard :weilf' ; An Irrigated- plantation that
government frill, or government re?- in this Territory bf ;iuiy"-'''areement'.?ls;cffle''.'''of the. best of then c;us-t
ulatk)hs'rdn"A. mill, would have ade- that any mills or any .combination "ofvtoVmake about twice that-' '..
fixate' assurances': that cane '.tafsed'-by: mills as a whole would pay a certain After this Mr. Ivers discussed ccv
him would be taken at a proper price, price for .caire. ; 1' dornot think any ditlons .on Hawaii and Hawaii's later.
! A..' Well,. I don't think any mill as- such agreement exists. ;; - to.
suggested' by Mr. Ashford vixuld be" Q.' Generally speakihg, 'transporta ; - ' m &
competing at all. It; could 'not be , tion conditions usually 'determine- the EAenlng bodices' are
the size "of tliemill, that in -itself" fact as to what mill will cut the caue,wth a line of strM r -