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HONOLULU. . STAR BULLETIN, SATURDAY, SEPT. 14,1012. ,
FSHERHEARING
(Contlnnrd from Patre 1)
previous years ranged
around that figure. This
rm almvp all exnenseH
perrally.
tc in.
Tin net
rovpniiA fmm i ho finatinV' uu k las!
vear uas alizhtlv ovrr 7 in-r rent
while, the income from other Void-
tnir uhirh mncui lon-iv flr kih-Vk
ivrirwiu m,..intwi tn nt,n.,i i ?
fnt j
Th company was originally owed
ty T. It. Foster & Co. The cortKra
tion increased its stock to $oio.; They concluded that the proper ad
Tticre are no bonds outstanding nor, ministration of the land laws was to
he replied, to the Secretary's qur;. give the executive broad discretion.
When the Inter-Island finally took f "Our ideas have not worked out,
ever in 1902. six men buying out tlii to my mind," he said. 'That discre
other interests and the stock beir.( tion has been very largely nullified."
divided pro rata arnoung them. The He though that amendments made
paid $150 per share for the stock otto the laws had taken away much of
the Wilder brothers and fncreaWthfs discretion.
the company's capitalization to $1,A After the report was filed, many
500,01)0. Changes were made in the land law
; This Increase came naturally, he bat were not favored by the report
declared, by combining the stock oMjie commission's idea, said Mr.
the two shipping companies that the wis, was to make the homesteading
six men purchased. They figured additions strongest up to the time
their physical assets were worth the tt settler got his title, but the com
$1 00,000. Insion was not willing to lay down
The Secretary then began an in- hd and fast rules against aliena
quiry Into the Inter-Island rates, ask-tid .. :
ing first on what basts these arei There is. the problem here, 111 ad
fixed. Kennedy explained they could mu to keep your homestead lands
not base it on mileage, because the ou&f corporate hands," he said, ''but
time consumed In carriage is due thei may be times when the home
largely to the weather, the condition steaers want to form little inde
of the wharves, the size of cargoes, pendntk' corporations, of their oirn,
etc He admitted lhat tne present and y secure advances 'they might
rates were largely the outgrowth of haveto put their lands in for these
custom. v ,,' jadvaW" . .,
The Secretary suggested that the J Hedged that- the power be left
rates on steamship lines are; often def In iy to the government to .-' go
largely a matter of blt-and-mtss,, or;upon hy; such' lands and have the
guess-work. ' -Kennedy said: "Yes, I rightstf way for, ditches, etC Such
guess that Is largely truev Kennedy rights hould be reserved in any sale
txplaiued that the rate generally, In--or leai of .homestead, lands.
i eludes landing of cargo, though not W Takli up, the question of advances
wnariage. ioe ireigm raie . lor sen -
: era! merchandise from Honolulu Jto
Hilo is about $2.50 a ton, he stated.
The rate for cheap freight from HHo,nce8 yier reasonable security. He
j If, f A - A.
lO rlOnOIUlU IS A A lOU. r.'j .
L -How about pineapples?" Mr. Fish-
f er asked. "Now that : is something
the homesteader and -small farmer is
tnterMt ed Terr much In." said Ken-
mdv and 'proceeded to retail the' nro -
cess of handling these cargoes.
'. r - . mn i j
receive the highest pay in the world,"
he said, when asked, concerning his'
salary scale.' v N :
. . . . . .L . i
nis staiementi mciuaes ine c4i
. tains." and then told how thy are,
now paid Tor overtime and .holidays.
! Usually, he said, the ' crews are Ha-
waiians, who are paid about $40 a
' month, with meals and bunks on the
boats. . w nen tney - can 1 get na
I waiians, even at those wages, which
: is sometljnes difficult, they take Jap-
: anese, Chinese or any others they can
'.get-::;:' --, - , ;:v.;::v:
Vdivullana want tn eet- Into the
r t Vig r,M fn avnlonaMnn . rt iha
.. Alt? DAiU AAA JJ 1IU1WU u w
"t ?lfftrn!tv - rT . t-aoninp-, lhor ' nn the
7 rate8 naa come 10 - ius ears, ana
; a-awk maifa rt filtheF m tna fir Arvft.
He also denied that any report' of
complaints from wharves In various
; ports - had come to him. He had
- heard of a commission Investigation
of conditions at , Kahului, Maul, hut
MA not ttnw Iha details. The Secre-
retary promptly produced the : report,
V In book f or nt, and read therefrom ex
tracts declaring the conditions there
intolerable" and appealing; to the
, AVJbieiikU C . IVI vlivA 1IVUI " .Uv AA.U
-"rates charged there "'
The Secretary asked why the reg
ulation f 'wharfage thereV shouldn't
be done by the .Government Ken-
A . . . 1 A I . I. . 1 V A
- t 1m fAH . AHAr rinm .rna nivn
iieuy repneu luni. wouiuub u u&uu
- tr. 1 1 i .3 . 1. . UIm ' knalMAetf Am-3
i not came under the rules of the Inter
State Commerce Commission : - and
asked what he would think if a local
f r .. ' 1 -. . - : iL..U
' commission were . givei - auiuuui
-vr it. s.a.A. it would be welcomed If
the body were unbiased in . .JU work-
tempt In, "'Congress 'to H?t; the Inter
"iBland under the authority! of the In-
- . rii. . riMmmtflclAfi An .I
asked If it .were, not true that Ken
i nedy had-gone to Washington to head
off that movement Kennedy aamit-
- t Ad it was true. . addimr ms reason.
. that he did not think: men in the
East should have such jurisdiction be
cause they do not 'understand condi
tions in the.JsIands. 1
. Ashford then todk up, a-fdlscusison
; this . city , and HUo : , and Lahaina.
Though the mileage i difference is
about 150 miles, -the ..rates are ...yur-
tually the same, Kennedy, explaining
that - loading- and Unloading facilities
r make.- the difference; : those : at La
haina notv being nearly so,, gooa as
The rate to Pepeekeo., this side of
lino, is a ton, ne aamuiea.
' " After,. a. five-minute . diverting : de
bate between Kennedy and Ashford
-.concerning the alleged refusal of the
- Tuter-Island agent to ship a consign
tf
ment-of horse collars from . . Hilo to
some vay ports, the Secretary asked
m A . m . . a. 1LI.1. M .... V.1! m .Atl
t tl AMIIUIU Ui4 liUV VAAAAAAV t
' Itles or. "commerce 'commission should
.delve nto these questions of .alleged
.discrimination. ; Ashford said he
' though that would be" the proper bo-
' lution.v . ' . ' '
Kennedy stated the rate from Hilo
on cattle is $3 per critter, this beins
t Subject ; to a maximum limit 01
' head. -
.-; Mr. Ashford attempted to show dis
1 'crimination: between the large and
j small cattle shippers, but Mr. Ken-
nedy: denied this ausolutely.
' In response to questions as to pas
senger rates, Kennedy declared that
'although' the pasenger rates have not
- been lowered, the service has been
Vastly improved.
;: a. Lewis, Jr., viccpresidenjt and
manager of the Bank of Hawaii, was
J hen called on. After a few prelim -
- inary Questions as. to uis mtnuij,
Lewis was questioned about his con
Zvnection . with the land law commis
- "sion. as. well as his Banking exper-
"feuce.V, The laud law commission was
- first taken up. He said the commis-
sion received its commission about
the roiddte of 1908 and reported in
November of the name year. The
commi&sion did not unite in its re
commendations, he said. lie said
there was great difficulty in getting
the1 commission together, but that the
commission made every endeavor to
ueopie in aii me lsianas.
ana aBKea ,or ine puunc sugges-
Hons possible. Ffcblic hearings were
labile bearings were
oeld on all the islands. Very few
'constructive schemes were outlined.!
maintained, but as a result of all!
it s work, the commission came to the
conclusion that the questioa was one
of administration the law was not
so bad.
;w v"Hwucr, ue cam ue uiuugm
that th&ankers of Hawaii generally
0Y 1
a espus of making such
I Klin mctMMmna a trflffis . n
1 1 inuiv.i,.uo nsawot aucu-
uon ancseuing or. nomesteads after
title wasWured ' would! work against
: nnanciar tsututions Reeling safe in
maKing r arancts.. .Government , ad-
1 vances wj suggested, ne said, but
1 the commion ffoubted the constito
tiOnailtV" Oiaiirh! nrtinn : .
J. "e inoua coiistent effort should
be made tchomfestead the land, but
uul!,;n
I that wntim VV
of ... experimenting
e system that has
He thought that
r 7. -
vJ ."f
without re8tfctivd laws i setting; the
amount of lhd incorporation shall
new. tne coborak . interests would
soon hold met ofthe good lands in
the islands, , : f-''';'y.vv:.;U; "i
If it is denbnstkted as ' the unly
successful wai oft handling . lands
here, however,he Bought that: sys
tern should preIL did not think
that that wouldfgenally prove true.
He knew there yerelndiTjriual cases
which would 8bjw 4 contrary.
t The Secretary; exrilned . to , f JTwls
the method of rfetricng; holdings' of
irrigated lands inthejates and ask'
ed if he did notjthm regulation of
lum vuiavv - iuuig wors. aere.
Lewis thought it Wo
Lewis, in answei t
question , of
bank loans to eml
)wers, stated
that sometimes, wtftre
is are made
on the crop as "thelonlsecurityi the
bank has control tof U situation,
owning the plantatim-kif.'-.::. " ;
; , He - thought ,undeved,' lands
should be homes teamed irst, ' the de
veloped lands next Heid not 1 ap
prove the idea thai '25Wners to a
petition' could compej tfepenlng f
a homestead tract, howeV, believing
the final decision shoulhe left to
the discretion of the" adni8tration.
? -Suppose, these lands : Ve opened
up in - larger tracts, with tbllc Titill-
ties commissions and
rights
taken care of by jthe
gov!
lent, do
you think there . would
iifficulty
in finding homesteaders ;
the- available- landsT!:
ike all
. Tt - would depend jarge
m - the
cooperation of the. Gbvenn
d the
administration.. You teigh
the homesteads taken, bu
ve all
gain
to the Territory would be
btful
The Industry requires ; coopon Cf
the farmer the mill owner all"
He thought conditions herev ju8t
as good as m tne united sta
tntriA-i. a ' v4 Waa
do you think feel as you do attft?"
Lewis believed that many oiem
suChvas the Portuguese, &sh,
Japanese, ; etc., flia not . give hch
thought to the subject. s .
" Asked, what he thought of th
graph. In the commission' repo
ing the theory that the central
should . not be taken from the
plantations, Lewis cited the - caij
the ' walakea plantation, which
i built-up with great expense and
. . . . 1 3 1 J
J the ' government lands held by fw 1 ;
be highly valuable.- He thought tl
lands should not be thrown operil.terested in ; principally?
homesteading unjess it Is certain t: "A. Pahala Sugar Company,
reliably persons. are taking it, so tl - Q. .On "what Islands
Its production is not decreased. rA. On Hawaii;- and W'ailuku, on
As t6 M8ank . Control. . roiaul, and I guess 'Ewa plantation and
Mr. Lewis was questioned bfiemafalua, on this island. I am not
bj Attorney Olson . to. elucidate cfure.
tain points in ' his ideas about homRQ.' How large a holding have they
sheading... Questioned: more Closely ail your company ? '
to- ""bank -control" fn ! the rMaui land X. 749 shares,
he had 'referred; to, Lewis said 4hiQ. Are there any others?
would rather not go into private maA. Hawaiian Electric Company, J.
ters. He explained,, however, that hi Morgan & Company and several
did not mean that banks were- getners, but they are small holders,
ting control of the land. R. How do they run?
"Land is the last thing a banki. From 15 shares up to 300.
to 1 wants,
he said amid laughter.
Prof
F. G. Krauss, agronomist of
the College ol Hawaii, was called
about noon, after Secretary Fisher
had called upon A. W. Carter and
found that Mr. Carter was not pres
ent :
Mr. Krauss was asked about his
homesteading at Haiku. He said he
is complying with the residence quai-
ification as interpreted by the attor-
ney general, whereby his family will
j reside continuously on the land
jthoiigh he will continue teaching in
nuuuiuiu, eiuepi uuuug luc Duuiuici.
"My whole aim is to get a home for
the future," he said, when asked by
the Secretary as to his plans for
liomesteading.
... Speaking generally, he declared his
belief in the feasibility of homestead-
ing the public lands here. He said
he believes most ef the previous fail
ures have resulted from lack of ex
perience and adaptability. Mr. Krauss
painted a rather optimistic future for
homesteading in Hawaii, saying that
many possibilities are, yet to bereal-
ized. He believes homesteading will
De ratner umitea as a wnoie.
Asked as to the possibilities
Asked as to the possibilities of
! homesteading the cane lands. Mr
Krauss expressed a strong doubt as
to whether white settlers would care
to undertake cane culture
When Mr. Ashford took up the
questioning of Mr. Krauss, he began
to ask him about the California Set
tlement Association, its formation and
operation. .
It was evidently) as part of the
Delegate's complaint about the man
ner In which this homesteading was
brought about Ashford brought out
the fact that S. T. Starrett, superin
intendent of public marketing; E. B.
Blanchard, food inspector, and other
Honolulu residents were the principal
ones interested in the formation of
the association and the homesteading
of the Haiku lands. He said he and
other homesteaders are somewhat
afraid that at the end of the present
seven-year contract the canneries may
have all the pines they, need, and
there may be some difficulty in re
newing the contract at the present
price. However, he paid a compli
ment to the Haiku ; cannery," Saying
that it has treated the homesteaders
very fairly and encouraged them.
This ended the morning hearing.
TODAY'S HEARING IN
.M.S..
. DETAILED STATEMENT
KEMAIiKS OF ME. J. A. KENNEDY.
Fisher: What Is . your full name
Mr: Kennedy? ' "'Ivv
. Kennedy: James A. Kennedy
Fisher; With what concern are you
connected? ; ,.
. Kennedy:. I am general manager of
the Inter-Island ; Steam Navigation
' Fisher : ' How lohg have you been
in. that office?
Kennedy: Bince 1902.
Fisher;.-. What! was your occupation
prior to that time? . ' .
-Kennedy: - I was in the employ of
the Honolulu Iron Works. v '?
. Fisher: " And how long - have you
lived in the islandswere you born
here? r.
Kennedy: . No, I. was born in Scot
land. .. ; v.::- '
Fisher,: . When did you come bere
and how did you happen to come? .
' Kennedy: I arrived here first in
18?8. My SYbtherwas working: in the
Honolulu iron Works;at that time.' I
worked for that firm for .-a. little
while ; then went back-to San Franr
Cisco. After I .went back the mana.
ger 'of the Honolulu Iron Works wrote
up for me to come down here, I did
not conie: and two years after that
the same manager, wrote up to Davles,
the San Francisco manager, to come
and see me.' He did come to see me
and I earned down-that .was In 18801
I stayed -with that company; until 1902.
TPIehAi' i What vmir nstsiHnn
with that, company?"- z -
Kenhedy: c I began. asv bookkeeper
and, was then 'practically in charge of
all merchandise. . v;-.-o-:;-' -
' Fisher:; And you have no large in
terest in the compahy itself? ;
Kennedy;;; No.
Fisher; - Who- are" the principal
owners, of the, company? r V ?f t
Kennedy: V There are several cor
porations holding stock, h The August
Dreler. Estate, Limited, is ? the : largest
stockholder they, own 2799 shares.
q. Who are, they? v... ' '
A. Simply an estate. ' ' -
Q. '.What people are interested in
the estate? :.- " :- . ' 'i
A. Just the family. , - i
Q. Are they living, here? - -1 j
A. Most of them are living here!
I think one daughter Is away. , MostJ
of them are here. . v v . - I
Qr Are they interested in the sugi
ar business?- , . I
A. -Not now; they: used 'to. . i
Q. What . have: they done with
their sugar interests?
A. .They sold their Interest -
Q. And thttt was" some time agot
A. .'Yes.- ; v.'.iV"';
Q. ' So that now for a .considerable
period of time they have had no in
terest in sugar so far as you know?
A. No. . - . t
Q. Wbo are name- some of the
other holders? v . ; . ;
A. C M. Cooke, Limited, Estate. ?
Q. That a Hawaiian estate? , f
A. Yes. j
Q. People interested in ft living
here? "
A. Yes. ' . . . j
Q. Are they interested ,ih sugar?
A. Yes; I believe they are.
Q. At the present Unfe?s - J
A. At the present time. t
Q. " What plantations' are they
in-
. What is the capital stock
of
Inter-Island ?
. $2,230,000.
And what is the denomination
shares?
J $100 a share.
How many shares altogether?
22.500 shares.
.The largest holding that you
mentioned there is?
The August Dreier Estate, Ltd.
jThat was how many shares?
tan Biiai ca.
low manv fiha.rphnlHpri in th
ij-
t. I . . ... AAV
What is the total num-
be
bout S00. This list mlIIr fnr
tnies of the largest Individual
stotders. I suppose you don't
wMatT
Yes, I want that ."Who are
they? , '
A. Albert W'ilcox of Kauai and
George "Nvilcox of Kauai.
Q. Who are they are they inter
ested in 6ugar?
A. Yes, George Wilcox is a he
grows sugar and sells.it to the plan
tation. Q. How many shares has he got?
A. I think the Wilcoxes own about
2000 shares.
Q. They are both interested in
sugar?
A. Albert used to be. I dont think
he is now. Then there Lb S. W. Wil
cox, E. N. Walsh & Co. of San Fran
Cisco, F. Sinclair, Mary E. Foster of
Honolulu, Aubrey Robinson of Maka
weli and Mrs, Beckley and Carrie S.
Godfrey of San Francisco.
Q. Now running through those
names are any of them interested in
sugar here on the islands?
A. Yes Aubrey Robinson is inter;
ested in sugar.
Q. In what way?
A. He grows some sugar and be
leases a valuable piece of land to the
Makaweli Sugar Company on KauaL
Q. Now are there any others?
A. Et N. Walsh & Company used
to be interested in sugar. He Is liv
ing in San Francisco has been for a
number of years and I do not know
whether he has sold out whether .he
is interested in sugar or not J. M.
Dowsett owns some 'shares also. He
is interested In sugar by .having an
interest In the Waianae plantation on
this island. . w
Q. Is that all?
A. Yes. s
- Q. What property does the com
pany own1 in general? , :
A. We have 17 steamers the float
ing property is about 45-is. about 55
per cent, of ' our assets,, that includes
ouf steamers and the landings,
Q. You say landings?
A." The moorings at the different
landings.
Q. What is, the rest of the prop
erty? - ; r
V ' A ;The ' restx of ther pfbperty-S
per cent cbnslspB of valuable property
On" the city front rreal estate. It is
Vaterfrbnt troperttf ; alsd a coal plant,
we have 'an up to date coaling plant
down there. ;We run the marine rail-
ayre have a lease 'of it vbich ex-
nires this year, we own our own
building lots where the office lsV';,we
where our abops ana warehouses are.
I think that is all the - property. ; s
. Q. ' How about ' property real es
fate on the other islands?
' A. Nothing. ,; 4 . : '
"O. You own nothing outside of
Oahu?
A. 'No. 'V
' Q.f tave you any docks, wharves
oi landings on the other islands t
"VQ. What dividends does the Com
pany . pay? ' ; ' 1
A. "Jims last year we paia o.av
ber cenL )lxXW'i
, Q.r How has, that been comparaUye-
A. In 1907 we paid 9 per cent, in
l908vweTpaId'S percent, in I909:we
paid 8 4-10 percent, in 1910 wo paw
7 S-10 per cent,- inl1911 we paid 81rl0
oer-cent," ttt.ixJM-. 'tete;.
.Q.- la addition to that have you any
A. Yes. We i are extending ' Our
property,' forrBhlppmr ana trnngB w
that kind, and 'we invest tne surplus.
Q; These' - InvesVmeHtsv rd? thy
over- ihd above maintenance, repairs
an? renewals?; fm
'A. Yes. Yon see. In this company
'they "used 'to insure -all 1 the Bteamers
but 'for the last iz years wfy ut
not and"the; instirance ' f una bas been
reinvested 1 and ' brings- themj quite; a
revenue. ; ; . f"J- ' r ',
Q.Aiid what kind of property is
that; generally? ; ' - '';:,t- 1
' A. - Bond and stocks and things of
that Wnd.' ' " v"
q. You Invested your insurance ac-
count In securities? ;
A. Yes in securities.
O.; Have you got any-do you: carry
on your books a capital account show
ing- the actual investments 01 money
in the property origlnallyf-at the time
the jstock was sold or , subsequently
through betterments and improve-'
ments?
A. Well, we keep a record of prop
erty that is bought and sold
O. How does the. capital account
compare with the butstanolng stocks
and bonds?. I . mean your capital ac
count on your books : your actual in
vestments does that show the actual
investments how does" that compare
with the actual securities? .
A. I think the securities are much
more valuable than . the capital ac
count
vQ. Do you know how the stock was
originally issued? j ,.v
A. 1 The company originally was
owned by T. K. os,ter, a pannersnip
corporatioin, and the. inter-isiana
steam Navigation Company was form
ed and took It over.-They sold inore
stock as they built taore steamersjrf
It was only a very small thing 'whek
it-began and as more - steamers were
tuilt they had to Issue more stock
until the capital stock was $600,000,
all paid in.
Q. Were there any bonds?
A. No there nas never been any
bonds issued.
Q. There are no bonds outstanding
new? i .;
A. No. The Company went along
that way until after I took hoIr of tfee
Company in 1902. There were two
companies then, the Wilder Steamship
Company and the Inter-Island Steam
Navigation Company they were work
ing on a basis of different runs. Well,
the controlling interest qt that was.
I got ad option on the controlling in
terest of the Wilder Steamship Com
panywe secured 6 men to buy the
controlling Interest of 'the company
and - then-the two companies , came to
gether. Te stock that these men
boiught were gven to the stockholders
of the Inter-Island company, pro rata
without a cent of profit to these six
men who took all the risk and respon
sibility. Q. That is, you distributed all the
stock pro rata.
A. Yes. Then the capital stock
was raised to $1,500,000.
Q. What had been the capital stock
of the Inter-Islanfl cofmpany prior to
that? I
A. $600,000. I
Q.
Q. And it was increased to $l,5o0.
000. A. Yes. . r- ; -
Q. Wbat--did you have to pay as
much as- par "for the Wilder stock?
A, We had to pay $150 a share.
"Q.SA a matter of fact, you had 16
lay at the rate of .$750,000 for that
Company?
A. Yes. '
Q. And what did you do, transfer
the whole of that property to the Inter
Island Company.
A. Yes.1
Q. There was a little increase in
the valuation of the stock when you
rut the two together?' You put your
own in at more than par?
A Yesat one and a Quarter.
Q. At. one, and a quarter and call
tne wnoie thing $1,500,000. WTiat hap
pened arter mat 7 f
A. An increasinx value t
Q. That is, you issued a stock divi
dend? '
A. . Yes, m 1909 we increased our
capital stock to $250,000.
Q. That was an increase of $750.
000?
A.
Q.
A.
Yes.
It was a physical valuation ?
Yes a physical valuation.
Q.
It was not based . on earning
poweri
A. No.
Q. As a matter of fact the theory
on which this stock was increased
was that you. had physical assets
worth that or more than that at the
time you made. the Increase?
A. Yes.
' Q. What are your rates In general.
how do -youmake the rates what
f are they based on? : - -
A. As a general thing, rates?
Q. Yes.
A. Well, I dont know -Q.'
Are they .based on mileage?
A. We cannot altogether base
1 them on mileage. t There are certain
I ports on the lee side of . the . Islands
which are accessible. There are other
'ports ron !. the" windward side rof Ha
; wail there are altogether In Hawaii
26 landings there : are IS , "private
landings and 1 8 government landings.
Q. You stop at. all these?
A." Yes. On .the windward side -of
Hawaii there are:16 1 prfyte landings
ana only one government lanamg ana
these are the ones which are so diffi
cult, : especially . in ; the whiter . time.
1 uejr axe very ua.ru , w ayrvatu.
Sometimes the' steamers cannot enter
and have to bring the freight back
with them. We cannot base the rates
on mileage. ! It is a great deal on the
quantity pr- freight and the conditions
of the landings themselves. : : :
Q. i Is there any Teal basis that yon
can explain to me or anyone else for
those rates or is it like railroad rates
on'the mamlahd : ' :?
; A. I presume it. is' much like that
That is, the rates 'were there when I
jcamea I may safely say, so far as
general merchandise is concerned
some of the "rates have been reduced
quite considerably ;irr' i:W' V
: Q. As between two ports you say
the rate - here is : sd mueh and 5 the
rate there is so. much r moref bow-
can you exDlaln that to me?..
. - A. ; in some cases Veputa little
more for instance there is the Kona
side where there Is'perhaps there are
5 landings, Jn . the Kona districts per
haps 50 sor 60 , miles, apart where the
conditions are about- the same. Well
there the rates arel -the same.-
,Q. You say well the disadvantages
of one kind are . offset hy aovantages.
It v is about aUke. ; If the distances
are little further .the, ports are more
accessible? V'.'"-".1.'-. r
V-A. - That Is aboutift 'i . -1
i O. I renresented some of the ship-
nine " interests on the ' mainiana ana
one of the TCpresentativesrsata tnai.
they make railroad rates . a gooa aeaj
steamship rates f are . sbmetbing like
that? .. :
A. Yes, in some ways they are. ;
Q. There is 'no scientific - principle
underlying the rates that you charge?
A. Some ports are easier to get to
than some others. - Some -ports it is
such a dangerous thing to go into the
landing sometimes in the . winter
time we have to 'take back . all the
freight, it is so, rough. , , -
a Now. then, these - landings
which you spoke of who . maintains
them?.; St ." ; ;' fss:
A. ; The 1 Dlantatlons maintain
some and we maintain the moorings.
We have 4 or 5 moorings to hold the
steamer in, position. ' 1
Q. ? The-- rate than you . cnarge, ; is
that the rate after the freight - is de
livered to you and until you deliver
iron snore, or what Js the rate?;' ?
A. Yes, the freight is delivered on
shore. ' ':-'
: Q. ' That Is to say the consignor
brings the goods to you; at your . ter
minal station, for. Instance, at the
wharf. You deliver to ay to Hilo
on the wharf. ;- Is that equally true
of private landings?
A. I do not know. '-
Q. You collect no freight charge
yourself?
A. No. "" '
Q. What would, you say what is
the rate on. freight of different class
es4 from here to ?Hilo?
A. $2.00 and; $2.50. .
Q. That is bulk freight?
AVYes, that' is, general merchan
dise; $2.50 Ts the general merchan
dise price. "
Q. v If I were shipping from 'Hono
lulu to Hilo a lot of miscellaneous
groceries done up in boxes and bar
sels you would charge that to Hilo?
A. Yes. . . ., .""
Q. If I were shipping a lot of sugar
in, bulk from HUo here you charge
$2.00.
A. I don't know; we do not carry
sugar.
Q. What sort of bulk freight do
you carry for which the $2.00 rate is
charged?
A. Coal, or some other cheap com
modity that we can put in the hold.
Q. That would get a $2 rate?
A. Yes.
Q. How about pineapples?
A. Pineapples that is "one of the
things the small farmer is explicitly
interested in. We have to handle
them three times, put them into boats,
row to the steamers, put them in the
steamers, and when we come here put
them on the other steamers and we
get $2.50 a ton, '
Q. You not only put them on -the
wharf but. you put them on-the other
m $09-
J j .
"fHE .jp.T. yv.!
Cor.,Fort
boats? '?;' t;?V----Vshy f'V-'-'-v-r
. A. We put them on the American
Hawaiian steamers, f We have always
got to go alongside and put them
! aboard. '. c. ' : .-':):.. , ? ; '- . .
.'Suppose' the steamer is not
here, what do you do then? : -'-V't
, A. When that happens, ; we put
them on the dockv . , v f - "
' Q. And who puts them on the
boat? OH
..: - A. They do that
1t:,QJ' You don't I put .. them on , the
steamer, unless it Is here? r J1 . ,'
1 A. Yes. When 'we bring "pfneap-
pies v from , say . Napobpoo," about 175
miles; we bring.' the pineapples down
from there and take it for ,$2.50 a ton;
we bringrcolTe from there ' for'; I2.5QJ
a:ton.t -' . ; ..' -
q.- What are the. wages you pay'
renerallv? 'W 'A ' " ,-' . : "' '' f
A. Our officers' and engineers re
ceive the highest pay in the world.
- Q. .. That is, the expert workers, the
engineers ' and officers? t
A.'; They, have to hare a Federal
license. ' ." -' i- ? - f ' :' 'h:
Q. 1 You mean that a steamship en
gineer here would' get, moresthan a
steamship engineer elsewhere. 1
A." Same as the captains. The cap
tains not only get paid by the month
but. if they work on Sundays or holi
days they get paid $10 extra, ,
1-aQ.v. How about the men? ir. l"
A. - The men get about the same as
on the coast-HBometimes they are 'off
fory three or four days. "and; when the
steamer goes out again they are ready
to go again. When they come" into
town they like to have a holiday..
Q. What nationality are they 7
"JL: We like 1 to'' have - Hawalians,
but they are pretty scarce. vXU-
Q. ; i I know, bnti.there are a good
many Hawalians.r - ' - : v -
A. They - don't : like to go to sea
all -the tlme. . - . . :- -'v -x. -r..
-Q. And when you don't get Ha
walians what do you do? -v-V-u
A. We get anything we can lay
our hands on. Japanese, Porto Ri
cans. Portuguese.- v - U y - :
Q.: What do you usuaHy pay yonr
Hawalians? '' . : ' ; -' '' .
.' A. ' They get about an average of
oerbana $40.00 a month . or there
abouts. ; ' '. : ' ''-i-'- '
Q. That is ' for the most unskilled
labor? ' , ' . , A' "-'a-
A. That is the general crew; r
Q. ' Do they get their; meals on the
boat? - v
A. Yes. A :
' jQ. ; And bunks and so on? ;
A. Yes. -" v " '' AA'i-'.' -
Q; Do you . pay, the Japanese the
same rate? -' " -: j v
A. ' Just the same. '
Q. I Now you gay it is difficult to get
the Hawaiian at that rate $40,
A. : Yes. '
Q. I think that we were told the
other day that, on some plantations
the rate of wages was; $24.00 a month
and they had a house, or place" to
Isleep. How Is it that you don't have
planty of men at $40 a month if the
plantations only pa $24.
A. " Those are fHawaiians that are
poor and brought up in the country
and haven't come to town. That is
the trouble with the Hawaiiahs, they
all-want to come to town. And there
are so many contracts for ' Federal
works and so forth that labor is very
hard to get
Q. How long hours do they work?
''A. There are regular hours for
work; I am not sure what they are
whether it As 10 hour or 9 hours.
Q. There has been some complaint
made that your1 rates; are unsatisfac
tory to some of the shippers here?
Have you had complaints made on
that score?
. A. r They haven't reached me yet
Q. They would start a complaint
a complaint would go through the -
A. It would come to the office.
Q. And then it would come up to
you personally?
A. ; Yes.-
Q. : You haven't had your attention
'called to any; complaints of hat kind?
IK
m f ' . : ' -
clPthing
TALK
nnHE G0tham
1 Clothiers can
extend you
no more clever
styles or fabrics
than we. And
this is due to bur
ability to control
the agency in this
city for the
ALFREIX
BENJAMIN'
CLOTHES
I
clothes not only
exceed all other
ready to - xczt
clothes in - styb
and quality, but
theyv ; c;
COST LITTLE
MORE THAN
THE ORDINARY
KIND
and Hotel Sts. .
Ft
W., M
A. Nothing' that I know-cf c: tl;
present time. " r ' 'B- " - ,
Q. Have you heard of any cc: -
plaints of charges made at tha lA
Ings?. v r. ,. , .. A ;
A. Well, I do. not know that w 1
heard any particular conplaint r r -gards;
land legs, except from a re.
which was made by sgma'conr.:: ;
that was looking into the la . r
and other things, i;.
Q.' They, did - not come to yc'i i:i
all? -v- r':-.:.: : -.
A. Uo.;l-:::- a:A
Q. They dldnt ask your cocir"7
for any information?
? A. . Not that I heard cf. V
.-Now I". have a copy cf tvt r -port:
in my hand here. Fcr i...
in that report there, la ttU Etc.:.:., '.:
(reads) Now have conditlcr.3 c! t' A.
eon oeen caiiea ; to your c: t z z : -. 7
They say, they call it an izicl:;. : 1
condition. JDo you know any y: .
cation for language of . that kiJ?
. A. Well, of course, you must' t:.-.r
In. mind that these landing aro e x
pensive landings.
Q. . . Ycu are fanillarwith ru!:3 c .
wharves and landings on the r:.'.,
land, " The general rule i3 tht c .
business' in the. public intercct c-'r.
be regulated by the public when: v . r
they wlsh'to'pass an act to tfcut ef
fect.; t Why should not such uizn c 5
that be taken. here. Don't ycu tt!::'
it would be a good thing if an act cr
that I sort were passed . so that thU
Question could, be tried out fairly zr. 1
impartially and If there Is not a tasU
for complaint then the public woulJ
be set "at; ease.-;! rK;;.. v ;-
; A. ; Yes.. . r,v;'. ;
Q. ..What would you say to' appli
cation of that principal to your com
pany, s would you have any objection
to it?.;.::-,: . .;..:.;. v..-- -.
a: ';no.;.- ::;.... ;;.;;. t
; Q. - The Inter-State Commerce Com
mission have no . jurisdiction over
you? , ; " ,; s,-AAA. 'AA
" Q- What do you think of a - commla'
8ion.here? a. .AAia'.a.- ?
A. If it Is run by a commission
by men ' of no prejudice and men of
good judgment, I think It would be '
a good thing, t It would depend oa:
what kind of a commission you got .
Appointive Commission Favored. - I
r Q- Now suppose an act were pass- i
ed authorizing the Governor to an- ;
point such a commission. Would you
regard that as a wise step to take? . ,
a.:- it you got a rair commission. - . !
Q-.. You would be less Iikel to i
have the thing controlled by. local pol- ?
lues it: the Governor appointed : the -
commission than if it were an elective
mmm ainn .-
A. Yes. :, " ;' A-f. '"; " . ' J
Q. Is there . any com plaint of the
services ; that your company renders I
as to its being inadequate? A A ; : J
A. l think it is the other way. I j
think we have takingl the conditions a,
m it. I A W. . . . . .
to be congratulated for keeping ahead -
oi ine umes. . ". - ' ;
Q. You have adequate facilities? -
A.. Yes. Of course once in a while-n
there may come along a holiday and
the next week there may be" a con- 4
gestion. -; " ..' .-' :A-':
Q. Of course it would not be justi
fiable to maintain an equipment suffi
cient for all 'times to carry the max-
mom freight ' ' - i - 5 ; -
Mr. Fisher: Mr. Ashford .da yoa
BENJAMIN
wish to ask any questions? ' - . -"
Mr, Ashford: Mr. Kennedy,1 at a
recent session of Congress there.waa
a ' proposition to place : the affairs ' ot s
your company under; the' Jurisdictioa '
of the interstate commerce commis-'
sicn? - r ava
. A, Yes. '; A., '-lv-7: . :
Q. And you left here and; wont-td":
Washington to head tbat'ofl? , . .
A. Yes.:.' . : ;-'-: ; ' S.'i-'li-'G '
Q. And succeeded? : ; 1 ;
"A. And succeeded, i , 4'-z-&
Q. Andwhat ,was:youroBif?ctkui
to it? ' - A V- -'i
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