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Senatorial Discussion of
Burton's Hawaii AmenditfSEfT1?
Mr. Hoar I want to'asjc tilt
Senator from Ohio whether his
i committee received this report 'and
'considered this particular amend
ment? Mr. Forakcr No.
Mr. Hoar That is the question
I previously put, and I so under
stand. Now I want
Mr. Forakcr Will the Senator
allow me to say a word in answer
' to that?
, Mr. Hoar Certainly.
i Mr. Foraker Our committee has
not received a report. The report
has not yet been fully prepared. I
was about to inquire whether it had
been prepared as to this point,
namely, ns to the industrial condi
tions obtaining at this time in
; Mr. Hoar But as to the legis
lation in this particular amendment,
I understand it does not come with
I the authority of the Seuator's com
ISIr. Ioraker No; it does not,
because we have not had any op
portunity to consider it.
Mr.' Hoar Perhaps it is a very
old-fashioned notion, but my point
is that whatever be right or wrong
in regard to .dealing with a man
who has got unlawfully into this
country and I am not speaking
about that now when you come to
take a human being and drag bim
or carry him against his will 5,000
miles from a place where he law
fully is on the ground that he has
broken a contract or that he has no
valjd excuse for failure to work at
a particular occupation, you are
violating 'the fundamental and de
cent principles of all human justice
or law; and it is an outrage to do it
without surrounding that trans
action with some security for its
justice and its propriety. Whether
this transaction is so surrounded
now the Senator from Ohio does
not know, and the Senator intro
ducing the amendment does not
know, and the Senate docs not
Mr., Burton The Senator did
not allow mc to answer that part,
and I will do it. I will wait, how
ever, until the Senator from Ohio
(Mr. Foraker) is through.
Mr. Tillman Mr. President
The Presiding Officer Dots the
Senator from Ohio yield to the
Senator from South Carolina?
Mr. Foraker Certainly.
Mr. Tillman I understood the
Senator to say that this amendment
bad its origin in the fact that a'
sub-committee of the committee of
which he is chairman had been
appointed to visit Hawaii during
,the recess to examine conditions,
and that those conditions are such
that they have given rise to this
proposed (legislation. It seems to
me that it would be fairer to the
Senate that that committee should
be allowed to formulate its ideas
and submit them to us, so that we
could examine some of the reasons
instead of having one member of
the committee rush in, although he
tells us that there will probably be
opposi ion from some other mem
ber. I say I think it would be
fairer to us if this matter was
brought in in an orderly way by
letting the full committee pass upon
the action of the sub-committee so
(as to get it before us ma proper
Mr. Foraker Mr. President
j Mr. Tillman I have another
'question, but I will not press it
Mr. Foraker M:. President, it is
not necessary for me to explain the
action of the Senator from Kansas,
for he has already explained it, and
it is not necessary, certainly, for me
to defend him against the charge of
having rushed in prematurely. The
Senator stated that he was loath to
introduce this amendment to the
pending bill simply because the
sub-committee had been unable to
prepare and lay before the Senate
their report; that he had becu hold
ing his amendment back until that
report could be laid before the Sen-
'atc - but hnd bee" coraPelIed to ofrer
it how or not at all, because this
bill was about to be put upon its
I called attention to the fact,
when the bill was about to be re
ported to the Senate from the Com
mittee of the Whole, that the
amendment had not yet been .offer
ed, because, the Senator and those
associated with him on the sub
committee had told me, quite nat
urally, I being chairman of the
committee, something of what they
had found to be. the existing con
ditions in Hawaii, and the necessity
for some such legislation as this. I
had been told that they contemplated
preparing an amendment and hav
ing it offered to this bill. I thought
that if it was to be offered at all it
ought to be offered now, and I called
attention to it, because being chair
man of that committee, I feel a
responsibility with respect to it.
Wc ought not to allow the Isl
ands of Hawaii to suffer for want
of legislation which we may enact,
if we find upon consideration that
this legislation should be enacted.
I am taking no position now as to
that, oiie way or the other, but I
feel it my duty, oeforc this matter
nnOQ fmm rrttic!rlnrattft tn rritrA
,tbis proposltioH a chan'e be
heard. I should much rather have
the benefit of the committee's re
port, ns the Senator from South
Carolina suggests; but I do not re
gard that as indispensable.
Mr. Tillnan I desire to clear
up any idea that I am criticising
the Senator from Kansas. I have
no purpose or desire to pass any
strictures upon that Senator's
action. He has a right to intro
duce any amendment he pleases.
The only question that presents
itself to my mind is that we had up
the whole subject of Chinese immi
gration to the United States proper
and to the United States improper,
as some of us consider the Philip
pines, and everything else last
spring; we discussed it exhaustively,
and I thought any question as to
the conditions in Hawaii and the
necessities of that insular annex
was sufficiently considered then to
make it unnecessary for us six
months afterwards to rush forward
under the claim that there is a
terrible dearth of labor in the Ha
waiian Islands and that they are
about to get into a condition of in
dustrial collapse and all that kind
It has occurred to me also that
there might be other parts of the
United States that would want
labor and want it now and want it
badly, and I do not really see why
we should be discriminating in
favor of a few corporations which
own sugar plantations in the Ha
waiian Islands and leaving out of
consideration .the millions well,
millions is not big enough of acres
of Southern lands that need drain
age and need cultivation. I should
like to have some explanation as to
why these sugar planters in the
Hawaiian Islands are such pets of
ours that we can not pass a Chinese
exclusion bill at one session but
that we must come along and mod
ify it at the next.
Mr. Mitchell Mr. President
Mr. Foraker Will the Senator
allow me to say one word in answer
! to the Senator from South Carolina?
Mr. Mitchell Certainly.
Mr. Foraker This amendment
has no reference to sugar planters,
as a class, to the exclusion of other
peole in Hawaii. It is intended Tor
the benefit of all the people in Ha
waii. There are a few sugar
plauters there, I do not know how
many; it is a great industry in the
Hawaiian Islands and when it
languishes, when sugar plantations
can not be conducted except at a
loss, and such I understand is the
fact now, there is poverty aud dis
tress in the whole of the islands; all
Mr. Tillman Then there is an
other question I should, like to ask
Mr. Foraker I shouldjHkeHo be
permitted to answer that first and
then I will yield to the .Senator.
Mr. Tillman The Senator is so
it e ' i t Vij;J.i
Mr. Foraker The Senator from
South Carolina starts all my ideas.
Mr. Tillman It is the same with
Mr. Foraker This is not intend
ed for the benefit of any class. It is
proposed upon the theory that it
will benefit all classes.
Now, what I wanted to say in
answer to the Senator, before I
quit on that point, is that a few
moments ago I asked the sub-committee
whether this portion of their
report had yet becu prepared, aud
if so, I will now ask that it may be
at (once printed, in order that we
may have the benefit of it before
wc do act finally on this bill.
Mr. Mitchell Mr. President, I
happen to be" the chairmin of the
sub-commitlCc. Only three mem
bers of the sub-committee appointed
were able to visit the Hawaiian
Islands the Senator from Kansas
(Mr. Burton), the Senator from
Washington (Mr. Foster), and my
self. Under the authority imposed
on us by the resolution of the Sen
ate wc investigated quite a number
of rather important matters in
A great amount of testimony was
taken, soma 176 witnesses were
examined in all, and a great many
memorials and petitions were pres
ented to the sub-committee for
Among the subjects investigated
was this one of labor in the islands.
On that subject we received a great
deal of testimony and a number of
memorials, petitions and letters, all
bearing upon the question of labor
in the islands.
The Senate will see that neces
sarily a considerable amount of
work was imposed on the sub-committee
in undertaking to digest the
large amount of testimony we
brought home with us. It was not
convenient for the sub-committee to
meet as a whole in Washington
until a few days before the meeting
of the Senate. We have been dili
gently at work trying to digest the
testimony on the various subjects
and in the preparation of what we
desire to say to the Senate and to
the committee of which we are a
There are several subjects that
we have completed and acted upon.
So far as this particular subject is
concerned, it has not been com
pleted; it has been very little dis
cussed in the sub-committee, and
only in an informal and perfunc
tory way. It certainly, so far as I
am concerned, has not been decided
upon by the sub-committee one way
or another, and as chairman of the
sub-committee I frankly say to the
Senator from Ohio that I am unable
to say now what the report of the
sub-committee will be on this parti
cular question. That it will be,
judging from what has occurred
here, a divided report I have no
doubt; but on which side there will
be two and on which side one I do
not yet know.
Mr. Foraker Mr. President
Mr. Mitchell Oue moment, if
the Senator will allow me.
Mr. Foraker I only want to ask
,the Senator from Oregon for some
information on the point he is just
1 Mr. Mitchell Certainly; I yield
' to the Senator.
Mr. Foraker The Senator from
Oregon says the report will, he
thinks, be a divided report on that
Mr. Mitchell I should judge so
from what has occurred hcie today.
Mr. Foraker Will the Senator
allow me to ask him whether he
refers to the industrial condition
now obtaining or to the question of
admitting Chinese labor?
Mr. Mitchell I refer to the
question of admitting Chinese labor.
Mr. Foraker There is no divi
sion, I understand, on the industrial
Mr. Mitchell I agree that there
is at present great industrial depres
sion in the islands.
Mr. Bailey Will the Senator
from Oregon permit me to inter
Mr. Mitchell Certainly.
Mr. Bailey I wish to inquire
whether the committee will take
the trouble to enlighten the coun
try as tp tlj&wisdom of , acquiring
terfftoryituat can only be rescued
from an industrial collapse by, an
importation "of Chinese labor?
Mr. Mitchell That is a question
we have not reached. As I said, I
find no fault with the course taken
by the Senator from Kansas (Mr.
Burton). He has a perfect right to
offer any amendment, as any other
Senator has, to any bill which
comes up here for consideration.
Still, it docs seem to mc that so far
as any action is concerned by the
Senate upon this particular propo
sition as to whether or not it will
loosen' up the existing legislation
on the subject of Chinese aud admit
them into Hawaii, it should not be
decided until, in the first place, the
committee of which wc are a part,
and then the Senate, shall hear
what we, as a sub-committee, have
to say on the subject.
Now, another thing. 'The Sen
ator from Kansas states, and his
statement is confirmed by the Sen-,
ator from Ohio, that this is the
proper time and place for this pro
posed legislation. I deny that. The
history of legislation from the
earliest period of Chinese restric
tion in the United States shows that
legislation in regard to Chinese im
migration has always been kept
separate and distinct from general
legislation on the subject of immi
grants. The question of excluding Chi
nese laborers because they are
Chinese, because of their race, is a
question that has never Lecn con
sidered in connection with a general
law on immigration, or, if con
sidered, provisions of that character
have never been incorporated into
legislation which relates to immi
Therefore I say that the parti
cular subject involved in the
amendment introduced by the dis
tinguished Senator from Kansas is
one that ought to be considered
separately aud apart from the bill
now pending instead of in connec
tion with it.
Our sub-committee, as I have
stated, have not yet considered, this
particular question, except in a
most informal manner, aud will not
until wc have thoroughly digested
all the testimony and memorials,
affidavits, and letters presented to
us relating to this particular branch
of our inquiry.
Therefore, Mr. President, it does
seem to me that this is a matter
that cannot be considered now in
connection with the pending bill,
and that it ought not to be con
sidered now in connection with this
bill, but that the amendment of the
Senator from Kansas should go to
the appropriate committee, of
which the distinguished Senator
from Ohio (Mr. Foraker) is chair
man, aud it should there await the
report of the sub-committee which
has been investigating this matter
in the Hawaiian Islands, for our
report will be accompanied by an
appendix showing all the testimony
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