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SATURDAY, JUNK 19, 1885.
FOREST MATTER.
Considerable prominence Is given
to the subject of forcstiy in the
Interior Minister's leport. Hegin
ning at the first Hawaiian Acrieitl
tural Fair in 18.V2, the history of
the country's agriculture in relation
to plants and trees up to the yreent
time is briefly outlined. Whilst ac
knowledging that "much permanent
good" haB resulted from the efforts
of several gentlemen who have been
"enthusiastic in their devotion to
the care and ornamentation of our
public grounds, and tho improve
ment of our stock of ornamental and
useful plants," the Minister says
that "it cannot be lost sight of that
many of the objects pointed out a
generation ago as being desirable of
attainment arc just as far beyond
our reach as ever, with this addi
tional disadvantage, that during tho
thirty-five years" past "the demands
of mechanical industry have almost
entirely stripped our forests of their
magnificent furniture woods, which
in man' respects arc recognized as
having no superior in the world.
The cultivation of spice, fruit, medi
cinal, and textile plants as an indus
try, is no nearer attainment than at
the beginning." The opinion is
expressed "that the time has ar
rived for a more systematic and
scientific treatment of the subject,"
an opinion in which intelligent and
observant men will readily concur.
For. accomplishing this end the
Legislative Assembly "are respect
fully recommended to establish a
bureau in tho Interior Department,
to be known as the Bureau of in
dustry, at the same time conferring
authority upon the Department to
summon to its aid the best scientific
assistance obtainable to assist in
the organization and management of
tho bureau." The proposition is,
"to communicate with the Govern
ment of the British East Indies,
soliciting their assistance in the
selection of a suitable director for
this bureau," 820,000 for the an
ient biennial period being deemed a
sulllcicnt sum to inaugurate the
enterprise. Opinions may differ as
to the measure recommended and
the course of ptocedure proposed,
but there can hardly be a question
concerning tho importance of restor
ing our forests. We say rextoring,
because little is now left of what
were once lino forests. Wood for
mechanical purposes is scarce and
high priced, and every year becom
ing scarcer and dearer. There is
also scarcity for fuel purposes.
Unless action for replenishing the
continuous consumption be taken on
a larger scale than at present the
scarcity will increase from year to
year. It will be seen from our legis
lative report that tho Assembly has
taken an intelligent view of this
question, although it was not pre
pared to go to the length of estab
Iisliin a bureau of forestry at pre
sent. ruo
Fonrnnn hay coxtin'ut.d.
FitiDAY, Juno 18th.
'AV'lUItXOOX MISSION.
Rep. Aholo moved that the vote
to pass the bill relating to districts
for taxation, judicial and educa
tional purposes, be reconsidered.
Rep. Dolo said ho was sorry to be
obliged to ask for a reconsideration,
ho having obtained Rep. Aholo's
kind assistance for that purpose.
"When tho bill passed yesterday, ho
was unavoidably absent, and- ho
found that iv serious change had
been mado in his district, by the
lopping off of Eloelo. The matter
of boundaries was a very fccrious
ono, and changes bhould bo mado
only for very good reasons, as they
were apt to disarrange taxation,
judicial mid educational 'affairs.
Tho motion to reconsider carried.
Rep. Dolo moved that tho bill
pass without tho change mado in his
district.
Tho motion was lost, and no
p 'further action wns taken on the bill.
THE
LEGISLATURE
onnr.n op tiiii day.
The house went into committc of
the whole on tho'Appropriation Bill,
Kep. Kaunamauo in tho chair.
Interior Department Continued.
Salary of Surveyor-General G3,C00
Rep. Palohau moved to amend to
87,000.
Rep. Kalua moved it pass as in
bill.
Rep. Dole supported that motion.
The Incumbent was one of the hardest-worked
and most elllcient olll
cials In the Kingdom. His services
raised the value of real estate
throughout the counter.
Tho item passed.
U.pencs Bureau Surveying.... $40,000
Rep. IS'ahale moved to amend to
8115,000, same as last period.
Rep. Kalua wanted the Minister
of Interior to give some explanation
of the increase. The disposition on
previous days had been to incrcaso
items, and ho was surprised now to
near motions for reducing items.
Rep. DiJle saw, in the Minister's
report, 81,800 for salary of engi
neer, which would account for the
increase.
Minister Gulick referred htm to
another page, where it was, "engi
neer and draughtsman." The ar
rangements for the work of the staff
were changed from former years.
An effort was being made to comply
with the homestead law of 1881.
Rep. Dole still thought theie was
a new ofllcial involved.
Rep. Brown asked if the cost of
cauying out the act of 1881 was
included in the increase.
Minister Gulick said it was.
Rep. Brown was in favor of the
item at $-10,000, saying it was well
worth while incurring extra expense
to keep the Portuguese people in
the country by giving them home
steads. Rep. Wight was always in favor
of l educing appropriations, but still
would rather increase thau i educe
thosu for the survey bureau. Tho
fact that most of the olllcials were
foreigners had nothing to do with
his sentiment in this regard. The
great dilliculty every year was to
linil individuals who could point out
tlie boundaries of lands. It would
bo false economy to curtail the ex
penditure for this bureau. The
matter concerned evciy one of them.
Rep. Kckoa was in favor of the
item. I'eoplc were petitioning the
house to have Government lands
surveyed and divided among set
tlers. Re)). Xahalc spokn for his motion
to reduce.
Rep. I'aehaolo was in favor of
letting the item stand.
Rep. 1'alohait was in favor of the
amendment. The surveyor had
never been to Kauai. They were
too lazy. 'J 'hey wanted an engineer
and draughtsman. AVho had been
doing the draughting all these years?
Ho was glad to sec that the lion,
membcis for Lihuc, Molokai, Wai
luku and Lahaina were converted to
his way of thinking. Hitherto they
had been opposed to passing items
as in the bills, but now they wanted
to increase them.
Salary Superintendent of Water
Moilo and Cleik of JlarKet
$1,800
Rep.
Palohau moved
to make it
81,000.
Passed as in bill.
Salary First Cleik Water Works. SD.OOO
Rep. Nuhinu moved to reduce to
83,000.
Rep. Thurston said it was 82,400
last period. He was sony he was
not able always to agree with the
leader of the Government side of the
house, the lion, member for Ilana
lei. While not in favor of cutting
down the salaries of heads of depart
ments, he would go with the lion,
member in preventing increases to
subordinate clerks.
Rep. Dickey seconded the motion
to reduce.
Rep. Kalua moved to reduce to
82, -100, and said this was the salary
of the person about whom they had
lately heard so much, and who so
far as they knew had not taken tho
oath of allegiance.. Ior a great
many years that olllee was lillcd
efficiently by a Hawaiian at 81,200
a year, but as soon as a foreigner
wns found for it tho salary must be
raised. It looked as If the person
was taken into consideration instead
of the office. This person had re
ceived the position on March 10,
but had not taken out letters of
denization till May 15. He wns
holding the olllee illegally ; he was
only a waif keeping himself at public
expense, and the Minister of Inte
rior seemed to be playing with tho
house.
Minister Gulick did not suppose
a length' reply was necessary. In
submitting items for the department
tho incumbent as never considered,
as there was no assurance that anyone
would bo employed any longer than
his services were satisfactorily per
formed. Changes had been made
In the dcpaitmcnt, as to system ami
personnel, with tho lesults'of greater
elllcicncy, more revenue, and ex
actitude in accounts.
Rep. Richardson moved the Item
pass as in the bill. The salary last
period was not more than sulllcicnt
to pay a good book-keeper.
Rep. Castle paid, if the book
keeping requirements of tho Water
Works were not to bo greater than
during tlio last two years, he should
favor putting tho item at tho old
figure. Ho moved that considera
tion of tho itom bo deferred till
moro information was beforo the
house.
' Noble Bishop asked tho Minister
of Interior who was required to give
bonds,
Minister Gulick said It was the
first clerk, who also acted as cashier.
Noble Bishop always thought It
was tho Superintendent who was re
sponsible. It was a comfort to
know that there wns to bo clllcicncy I
and improved methods. But jiulc-
ing from what ono heard, cfllcicncy
and improved methods were some
thing to come hereafter. Something
had happened last year that ought
not to happen next year. Why
should theie not have been clllcicncy
and improved methods before?
There were three or four items in
the tables which showed an increase
of revenue the Water Works, Post
Olllee, and Liquor Licenses. Many
other Items were loss than they wcro
before. They know what had been
said and what had been published
nbout both those bureaus. In this
bureau there was no doubt there
was a great chance for improvement
on what had been done hitherto. It
was proper that bonds should be
given and that only men of property
should be taken as sureties.
Rep. Kaulukou supported the Item
as in the bill.
Rep. Thurston said that 80,000
having been lost last period, it was
an honest rather than a smart man
that -was needed. The cleik had no
responsibility, but the superintend
ent. The clerk had only to collect
the rates, and there wcro only two
collections in a year.
Minister Gulick said the ofllcc was
open from 11 to-1 o'clock without in
termission through the year. Thero
was always somebody there to re
ceive money, the olllee being gov
erned by the same rules as the In
terior Department.
Rep. Thurston said that might
have been necessary lately when
they had several years' work to
overtake, but the olllee need not be
open all the time In addition to
collections all he had to do was to
receive applications for new privi
leges. Rep. Dickey supported tho pro
posed l eduction, because the clerk
took the ofllcc at S2,-I00.
Passed at 83,000.
Salary Second Clerk Water Woiks $1,800
Passed.
Banning Expenses
Water Woiks
Honolulu
$0,000
Rep. Dickey moved to refer this
item to the Finance Committee, to
report on Monday, as there was a
great deal of talk about the way the
bureau had been run during last
peiiod.
Rep. Kalua wanted an explana
tion. Minister Gulick referred him to
fell details in the report. Under
this head, he said, arc the pay of
the different keepers of reservoirs,
of men who arc in constant employ
to attach new pipes and privileges,
and to repair any breaks that oc
curred. They are at work almost
all the time, and sometimes have to
work at night.
. Rep. Dickey asked what was W.
R. Seal paid 8150 a month for.
Minister Gulick referred him to
an appendix in the report, where
would bo found the whole story
which made the employment of help
of that kind necessary. It was a
rathor disagreeable and thankless
tnsk, and therefore he hail the facts
placed there in full.
Rep. Castle said the Interior De
partment was responsible for tho
Water Works having fallen into the
hands of thieves, and Mr. Seal was
called in to put things right.
Tho item passed.
.Maintenance! of Nurseries $12,000
Rep. Castle asked if the Govern
ment had any plan with regard to the
establishment of a bureau of fore
stry. Minister Gulick referred him to
the report, and read some cxttacts
therefrom.
Rep. Castle hoped the Minister
would bring in a bill to establish a
bureau, and ho would support it.
Ho had in his desk a paper on the
subject which ho had read In the
Social Science Association.
Rep. Dole thought the work that
had been done hero in foresting
within the past few years had done
much toward developing a favorable
sentiment. He did not think that
they could discuss the subject at
that stage, as nobody had introduced
a bill. He moved to pass the item
as in tiie bill, which was the same as
last period. It was rather late in
the session to go into the estab
lishment of a bureau. During the
past six years Mr. Jaeger had ex
pended 810,000 out of tho appro
priation, and the work that he had
done and was doing was a very good
beginning for forestry here. In
Germany that work was performed
by men tiaincd as perfectly as mili
tary ofllccrs.
Rep. Paeliaole moved to reduce to
811,000, as the trees, having got a
good start, require less care to
keep them thriving.
Rep. Brown was in favor of pass
ing the item as in tlio bill. As ono
of the conimittco appointed for that
purpose, ho had visited tlio nursery
and was astonished at the number
of trees. From the road one had
no Idea of it, but when he went up
through ho wns in a perfect forest
of young true9. Some of them were
so high that on horseback he could
not see over the top of them. Tlioy
were extending up towards the re
mains of tho old forest. He had
been told that in tlio olden times the
hills mound Honolulu wcro wooded
to their base. Trees had a great
effect on the rainfall. When he wns
going to school there was scarcely
over any rnin except during a koua
storm, but bincoHio plains had been
planted with algaroba scarcely n day
passed without some rnin.
Minister Gibson said tho matter
was one of importance, and although
not one of his hobbies he took much
interest in It. When the Minister
of Interior was prepaiing his repot t
tboy talked over this thing
and he
proposed that they should stmt a
bureau of forestry, but that plan
contemplated an expenditure of
820,000, and when they came to
mako up tho Appropriation Bill they
concluded to let it remain as bcfoie.
He would like, however, to have that
idea considered by tlio Assembly.
There was very excellent work done
there, but they had been expending
money every session lie did not ie
member exactly, but the aggregate
must be overf850,000, not all at that
particular place, but money had been
expended since 18C-1. Thcio could
be no question nbout the importance
of the subject. With the decline of
forests the people declined ; with the
incrcaso of forests theie was a favor
able chance for the people to in
crease. There had been very good
work done, and without compensa
tion, and it might be worthy of con
sideration whether they were having
the work done to the best advantage
for forestry on an extended scale.
As the lion, member for Lihuc had
stated, the session was for advanced,
but he thought they would have time
to look into tlio matter more thor
oughly. Along with the excellent
work being done by the gentleman
referred to, ho would be glad if
they could have soinothing like the
perfect system of Germany. Therc
foio he would move that this matter
be referred to a special committee.
There were several who had spoken
on the subject the lion, members
for Lihue, Koolauloa and Molokai
who would be prcparod to give their
most earnest attention to the mat
ter. If lie thought tho time wns
too short, he should vote to pass the
item, but ho was convinced thnt tho
matter could have very careful
attention.
Noble Bishop said the'tnattor lind
awakened quite a gciicinl interest,
and ho was glad to sou it. At tho
beginning fotCMt cultivation, es
pecially if you depend upon exotics,
will for many years bo a matter of
experiment. What had been done
for a few yeais past, either in a nri
vato way or in this nursery, iiad
been witli foreign plants. Trvinjr,
to mako a forest with our native
trees had so far been a failure. So
that beginning with foieign trees, it
is a matter of experimenting a low
yeais to find species adapted to our
soil and climate. Forest planting
has been going on at Lihue planta
tion for six or seven years under
chaige of a Geiinan forester, with a
number of assistants constantly em
ployed, llo knew that many of tho
ejcpi'iiiiifiits there had been failiues,
having seen many of lliem in .laiiti
ary and been disappointed. The.
forester himself had a great deal to
loarn, coining from a different soil,
different clininto and different con
ditions altogether. Mr. Jaeger had
been living hero a gieat many years
before he undertook this work for
the Government. Ho lind boon ex
perimenting on his own grounds,
llo has a fair knowledge of botany
and a tasto for tree planting, and
has been perhaps as good a man as
could be employed if they had gone
abroad for a man. Ho has trees
and plants from many countiios,
and somo of them had failed, but he
was still going on with tlio experi
ment. If anything was tobutiicd
different from what is being done,
tlioy wanted a law which should bo
oaiefully studied, and he did not
think there was time to do it this
session. As tlio experiment seemed
to bo going on prosperously ho
should favor the appropriation of
this $12,000.
Rep. Kaulukou was in favor of
this appropriation if they had plenty
money, but they were constantly
hearing the cry that theie is no
money for necessary purposes. This
is a splendid plan for people who
arc laying out their grounds. They
can get rare trees and plants for
nothing. When a Hawaiian lady
goes out thero for plants she is re
fused, lie knew of an instanco the
other day, when some Hawaiian
ladies went out to Mr. Jacser and
asked for a few plants, but he said
ho was not quite ready. The very
same day somo white ladies went out
and ho dug out plants at once for
them. He was in favor of covering
our hills witli forest but not in that
way. This was a good plan for
some to get rare plants, flowers and
trees for their premises. That costs
a good deal, but get the Government
to carry out a plan like this, and it
will be much cheaper than paying
for those things out of their own
packets. The member for Wuiluku
said that he was talking very fool
ishly, but let that member go out
there and get a hundred alagato
pears, and in a few years lie would
not give away the fruit of the trees
that cost him nothing. The ciy was
now that they had not enough
money to put the roads in good
condition, yet members wanted to
make an appropriation of 812,000,
so that they might get plant tintl
trees to put roipul their enclosures.
If those young trees were all .to bo
planted out on Government land ho
would lie willing to voto this monoy,
but if they wcro to be stalled in
little boxes and given away to
friends ho did not believe in it. If
people wanted their privnto grounds
laid out in stylo they had better
spend a little mo'ney of their own
for trees. If Mr. Jaeger would
start young trees and sell them there
might bo somo reason for making
this appropriation, as then thero
would be some return to tho Gov
ornmont. Ho was opposed to the
passage of the Item, not because he
thought trees were not a gooil thing
but he was opposed to, the way the I
scheme was lielng carried out. Ho
therefore moved the committee liso,
report progiess and ask leave to sit
again.
Rep. Dickey did not know how
the business had been cariicd out
before, but from what he had seen
he believed tlio money had been
well expended. The matter was
cry important. Formerly our hills
were covered with sandal wood and
the beaches with koa. Those trees
wcro very valuable and would bring
in great revenue if they had them
now. They had not died out, but
had been allowed to be chopped down
and not permitted to grow piopcrly.
In the forests of Hawaii and Maui
sandal wood was now growing where
cattle were not allowed to get at it.
He believed that all tho money that
was spent properly now would
yield five and ten fold If conducted
intelligently. Ho ureed with the
motion of His Excellency to refer to
a select committee.
Rep. Dole thought the motion to
refer to a committee was a good
one. He felt sure that the commit
tee would repoittlial they weio not
prepared to take up the bureau of
forestry immediately unless they
were prcpaicd to vote 850,000. It
stood to reason that they could not
employ an experienced forester out
of an appropiiation of SG,000 a
year. It was clear that, they could
not have any assistance from the
lion, member for Hllo without giving
bin) alagate pears for nothing. It
was not true, it was false, that Mr.
Jaeger made any dUci (initiation in
the matter of tiees. People often
had to wait for trees. Sonic kua
ainas knew that forests weio very
elllcient to prevent freshets.
Noble Macf.irlano said that since
the presentation of the Minister of
Interior's report he had heard a good
deal of discussion on this point pro
and con. There seemed to be a
lurking suspicion in the minds of
many members and of persons in
the community that this olllee had
been created for some special indivi
dual with a salary as chief of tlio
bureau refened- to. He believed
that it was the sentiment of the
community that if this money was
expended to pay the salary of a
skillful forester it would meet with
general approval. To usu a slang
plunsc there seemed to lie an im
pression that theie was "a nigger in
the fence" somewhere. He for one
favored very much the establish
ment of this bureau and he should
be glad to see a bill introduced for
that purpose. If the Minister of
Interior would kindly Mate to tlio
house that the item was intended
to procure an intelligent and skillful
forester as the item came from his
department he tlmught the item
would secuie the votes of a majority
of this house, and after his reply, if
it was satisfactory, lie should favor
leferenee to ii select committee.
Rej). Aholo lemaikcd on the
diversity of opinion as to giving
trees away, and said ifticeswcic
given away it inci eased the value of
property, whiclr involved a return
to the Government in the shape of
increased revenue fiom taxes, so
that the appropriation would not be
a loss but a gain. Although not a
member of the visiting committee,
liy courtesy lie had been permitted
to accompany them, and he agreed
with the lion, member for Koolauloa
in expressing astonishment at how
much those tiees had grown since
lie had seen them two years ago.
If they made no more appropriation
a great portion of the work already
done would bo lost. He was not in
favor of reducing the item, as that
would imply a reduction of the elll
cicncy of the nurseries. Whatever
was done with regard to the for
estry bureau, these nurseries would
have to bo maintained in the mean
time. Noblo Kaao said that when the
item came up he made up his mind
that it should bo struck out alto
gether, but after hearing the argu
ments lie wns strongly in favor of it.
Ilo-approved of nursciies and for
ests. The member for Koolauloa
told them that where there wcro
plenty of trees it increased the r.iiu
fall. There was a scarcity of water
at the late fire in Honolulu, which
might not have been but for the
lack of trees. "Let us have trees."
If by spending a few thousand
dollars each year they could have
largo forests and plenty of water,
let them have forests and water too,
and by and by they might not need
an .Superintendent of Water Woiks.
His Excellency told them that where
there were largo numbers of .trees it
had a tendency to incicaso popula
tion. If that was so let them have
the tiees and tho people. Those
wcro two great lacks In this country :
they wanted trees and they wanted
people. If their land wns full of
people they know that it meant
wealth.
Rep. Amara agreed with the mem
beis perfectly about the value of
trees. But lie had been told thnt
tho gentlomau had a private nursery
nl&o, and he did not think It was u
very good thing for n man to liavo
a Government nursery and a private
nui scry at the same time. lie was
liable to get tlicmi confused and not
know which was which. By somo
unaccountable means all tho choice
plants might get into tlio privnto
nursery. It was not proper that a
man who had tho handling of a
large amount of money like this one
Continued on p ago 3.)
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Commencing Monday, Juno 14th, at tlio
Ladies' iezer, 88 Fort Street
Having jutt reeelyc'l a supply of Now Goods romlsiing of some of thcLcadlnc
and l'tisi.ioiinlilu Shies m LAME- and MIMfKS HA'IS. I inoM respectfully in.
vite the Ladies t cull ami examine tho mine, alto, a largo lino of
Corsets; Ladies' &, hisses' Hosiery, etc.
1 have also tlio pleasure of Informing tho Ladles that I havo been fortunaio enough
to teruie the service? of one of tho best and most favorably known Milliners of
ban l'liincUoo, jusi arrived by the Kcaliindlu.
MRS. SKIDMORE
Will now have charge of tlio Millinery Department, she liaing for manv vears
kept oiienrilio largest Milllnurt Stores In Sin Francisco, anil being also 'well
known In Honolulu, I hope to obtain a sluiro of patronage, and will guarantee
siilisliictifni in nil eases
JST Dieesmaklng in all its branches will be attended to by myself, -a
MRS. J, LYONS, Proprietor.
NOTICE.
Practical Confectioner, Fancy
IlESI'EOTFULLY Inf. mis llio Public of Honolulu and the Islands generally
l that he liilinds to fiunlBli, its soon as tlio ncidcd appliances nirlvc, all tho
Different Creams, Fruit and Water ices
practically known to him. Having mado a e.nntiaet with the Woodlawn Dairv for
a constant supply 01 their c iehiaied Cieam, will suppl.x Mo customcis with innio
than llfly ilifleiem kinds l-iiiicy Creams, 'I nolle Fiuiiy, Sonnies and main more
Kio numerous to mention heic. nil ol winch hu lias had practical experleneVwIth
at tlicliii,uiinl Courts ol " ii una and tlio Howil Confeetloneiy of Unvaila," Al?
steum.piiwur-miidij articles in tills lino mo far superior to any hund-miidc.
Vonib itsnect fully,
in. HOR3V,
Both Telephones, No. 74.
I'. S.-Spcelal ariongcnients mado regarding Prices for largo ordors, which it
will bo lmpofelhlo for any . no else lo compelo Willi. ", "n." "
iesetai liufacimii Company's
Viim-IIiii I'in'c.
VuhcUiiu While,
Vaseline I'oimiile.
Vnsellno Camphor Ice,
Vasellno Culil Crenni,
Vntielliio C'oHiiietliiue,
Hollister & Co.,
DKALI KS IN
urn no mininrji
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per- AuHtrulit;,
Shetland. Sliawlss.
just received, ex Zealandla, at the
11101 UllJoI loSb?
illinery House
& I-Xotel Street.
Pastry Cook and Ornamentor.
VitNclliio Hull- Oil,
ViiHallno Huwliiar .line lil no Oil,
109 Fort Street.
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