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NO INCREASE IN
Chief Rlnanclal Interests Denounce
Plans to Augment Revenue:
Advise Legismturs to Cut Cloth
To Pattern; Oppose Frear's Re-commendations
The mniilcd Interests of tlio Terri
tory expressed tliclr disapproval In
uo uncertain terms lout night of ntiy
Increase In taxation for nny purpose
whatever. The taxpajers uf Hawaii
nro carrying about all the taxes they
(an stagger under, not only the small
men but also the big Intercsts.Thougli
.nominally tho rate per cent, of taxa
tion Is much lower than in other
communities, )et tho fact that prop
erty Is assessed at Its full Millie makes
tho rate really a high one.
The meeting was called by tho Kl
nanro Commltteo of the llouso to dis
cuss tho matter of Increasing the rev
enues of tho Territory for tho purpose
of carrying out contemplated Im
provements and of getting the Ideas
of tho taxpayers as to the advisabil
ity nt issuing bonds.
Many millions of dollars of wealth
were represented at the mooting, vir
tually all of tho big financial men of
Honolulu being present. Thoso men
lid not miner matters. They ex
pressed their unqualified disapproval
of any attempt to Incrcaso the bur
den of taxation, and the Kinnncn
Committee was informed by B. I'lnvin
lllshop thnt it wns lying down on IM
Job by attempting tq raise mine
money to meet proposed expenditures
Instead of paring the expenditures
down to meet the money available.
As to Issuing bonds, nil of those who
spoke on this subject expressed tho
opinion that It would be unwise to
, bond tho Territory for nny Improve
ments which would not yield a reve
nue sufficient to meet the Interest on
Chairman Itlce presided, stated tho
(lucstion beforo the meeting, snld that
tho Hourc has under consideration
several tax bills, and called upon
those present to state their opinions.
He called on (leorgo H. Carter first.
Wants To Be Shown
Mr. Carter Bald ho was Just enough
of u Yankee to want to know whut
occasion there Is for Increasing the
revenue, and how much money is
"This Is nn cxtrnvngant communi
ty, collectively and Individually," ho
said. "I am unalterably opposed to
any Increased tax. A community
thnt turns in the amount of taxes
we do and thnt tins so small n dclln-
'fluent list Is remarkably favored.
' "To Increase tho faxes bcnnd a
point which tho cnmmuulty can
stand In periods of depression will
mean n greater delinquent list. This
Is n period of prosperity nnd we are
too npt.to forget that periods of de
pression will come. It Bccms to mo
thnt with tho amount of tax we have
' hero there ought to bo ample. Of
course, the only entirely satisfactory
scheme of taxation is that by whlcli
no one pays In nny money. The only
excuse for taxation Is thnt a govern
ment tnkes the money nnd uses It for
the advnntago of all tho people. The
FIRST was the dus date for "MAYFLOWER'S" advance
35 Cents, but a number of people who
March Firest have not made connections and I shall
that stock for sale. It has occurred
be an act of grace to throw in a few days of grace particularly for the
benefit of those on the other islands, the Hawaiiites, the Muiites, the Ka
hoolaweites, the lanaiites, the Molokaiites, the Kauiites, and generally
for the tribe of the "Mahopeites." The 23-Ccnt entrance will therefore
remain ajar for a few days longer t'U the 20th of this month, after
which the price of admission will b; raised to 35 Cents, as previously
If you are a slow thinker and arc still sitting on the Fence of Inde
cision waiting for the nerve to jumi into a good thing, this postpone
mctn constitutes your particular OPPORTUNITY. Nothing ventured;
nothing gained. One good investment may be worth a whole lifetime
of labor and enable you to travel with Fortune all the rest of your days.
You will never do yourself a great:r favor than by securing a block of
"MAYFLOWER" at the introduction figure of 25 Cents. Even at ten
times the price, I can conceive of no circumstance which could possibly
prevent you from making a handsome profit on the purchase of this
Stock because it has back of it the high basic and intrinsic value of a
carefully developed and superbly equipped gold-producing property situ
ated in the Banner Gold County of California, the original Golden State.
And the "MAYFLOWER" mine and the "MAYFLOWER" men will stand
the most searching and rigid examination and investigation that can be
applied to them. They stand for MERIT against the field. Buy "MAY
FLOWER" for speculation or for a permanent income, for quick money,
for big money, for sufe money. There is no shorter short-cut to. hand
some profits than twentieth-century gold mining conducted on business
lines. Gold mining is our business mission and we are in it to make all
the money1 that we can for ourselv es and for the public who become our
partners. We are mining men, not millionaires yet and therefore
not able to mine our big mine single handed. That is the only reason
we are offering some Stock today for publio subscription. Get in with us
and grow up with us and the skylark of Prosperity will sing for you.
Your hea'ji will wax merry to the music of dividends, BUY MAYFLOW
ER STOCK. BUY IT NOW!
M. Ivan Dow,
FISCAL AGENT MAYFLOWER MINE. OFFICE: SUITE 51 and 25
ALEXANDER YOUNG BLDG. CALL, WRITE OR PHONE FOR A PROS
PECTUS. PPHONE 489.
GEO. M. SHAW, Agent HILO, HAWAII
problem here Is to keep our govern
ment good nnd sec that a dollar goes
ns far as possible. Wo must not over
look tho leaks nnd losses nnd simply
also more. Unless the money is well
spen( there Is no logical right for
Inking It. There Is a point beyond
which tnxntlon cannot go. What I
want to ask Is to what extent It It
proposed to raise money?"
Chairman Ittco in reply read that
poitlon of the Governor's message
telling tho legislators that Its most
illmciilt task was going to be to raise
sufficient revenue tor tho necessary
Expenses Too High
"I do not think It wise to Increnso
tho expense of living In this Terri
tory," continued Carter. "I think wo
ought to stand on our rovenue and
dccldo towhat use that money should
be put. We can't do all we would
like to do, but we can do two mil
lions nnd a hnlf worth."
Cohen asked Carter If he were In
favor of the conservation of forests.
"If I had my way, I would havo
three automobiles Instead of one,"
hedged Carter. "Hut I think we havo
a number of things that we might
do without to have conservation of
forests. We havo In the past year
turned over to tho counties about a
million dollars. Hut wo still havo
1 the caro of tho public health, tho rol-
lection of the revenues, etc., all
coming out of a million nnd a hnlf.
Hut It does seem to mo that out of
our two million and a halt there
ought to be some way of saving some
. for the conservation of forests. The
I Government has a revenue of so
much. It Is n problem for tho M
unnco Committee how that money
can best bo spent. That would be
my problem. It Is not n question of
reducing tho efficiency but of getting
the maximum efflcloncy for tho min
imum expenditure of money. It you
nro going to branch out In some largo
expenditures, you'vo got to take It
out of something else."
Unwise To Bond
"I)o jou think It n wlso policy to
borrow money for public Improvo'
ments?" asked nice.
"Where tho revenue from tho pub'
intended to buy
to me that it would
lie Improvements Is enough to pay
the Interest on tho bonds, I do," re
"What about school houses, which
bring no revenue?"
"Well, t don't think It wise to Is-,
sue bonds for anything temporary.
At tho end of twenty years, when
jour 'bonds fall due, many of tho
school houses would bo uo food. I
ddn'i. bellevo It wise to Issuo bonds
for some that won't last."
Taxes High Enough
senator Kaircnim iook n uanu in
trio 'discussion. He called attention
to ho fact that tho Wnys and
Means Committee of the Scnnto was
going Into tho Governor's recommen
dations to sco if they could bo cut
any. Pcrsonnlly, ho was very much
opposed to exceeding tho present lax
Outside, of Honolulu ho found a
very strong sentiment In favor of
turning over moro responsibility to
the counties. He believed this should
be done, nnd then If tho counties
wanted to let things slide, they would
have to stand for the results.
Mr, falrchlld thought ll would ho
a very good Idea If thcro were ono
man In tho Government who did nil
tho buying of the supplies needed by
tho various departments of tho Gov
ernment, n man who would know
Just how much money there was to
spend, Ho thought n great saving
could be effected in this way. Tho
Ways and Means Committee, ho said,
is considering this matter fully.
Rainy Bay Coming
J. II. Gnlt said that during his ten
years of residence in Hawaii ho had
seen great periods of prosperity and
equally great periods of depression.
Yet during thesa periods of depres
sion tho taxes havo gradually In
creased. Arbitrary and unreal values
have been placed on property. Yet
the men of this Territory havo stood
up and paid these Increased taxes.
In eight cars this Territory has
stood nn Increase in taxes of 1629,000
or 6G per cent., over 8 per cent, a
year. In view of this fnct ho thought
it time to see it somo wny cannot he
found to avoid rnislng tho rate of
taxation and to get along with what
Is now raised.
(leorgo A. Davis wanted to Bay a
feV words. Ho believed sufficient
revenues should bo raised In nny
event to carry on tho Government
and no 'branch of tho Government
should bo allowed to suffer for mon
ey. He did not see why there should
bo any exemptions of any kind. Tho
man who mnk'es $300 a year ought
to pay $3 a ,ear Income tax. The
Oriental population should bo treat
ed llko nny "American, but they
should nlbo bear their sharo' of the
iiiirdch, pay their sharo of tho taxes.
'If It becomes necessary to assess
property nt moro than its value, thcro
Is something wrong with tho tax
laws. If you can't get n sufficient
revenue without Inflating jts real
value, your tax laws nro wrong.
A Pawnbroking Government
mere is anoincr tning: iou arc
lh the pawnbroking business. It a
man doesn't pay hlu taxes, on time,
lie has to pay 20 per cent, moro for
delinquency. I say jou aro in the
pawnbroking business. I say that 6
per cent, is onough for delinquency.
Twenty per ccut. Is enough to wring
tears from tho poor. Equal rights
for all nnd special rights to none. You
are trending on dangerous ground.
When n tax assessor assesses at $',
000 property that Isn't worth $2500
ho Is doing wrong,
"I did what I could when I was In
tho front of tho fight; I did whut I
tould.for tho poor man. When Mr.
Smith was In Washington trying to
get Imprisonment for debt written
Into tho Organic Act, from California,
whero I wns, I was ablo with a few
postago stamps to put a spoko In his
Opposed To Increase
Davis wound up with the state
ment that ho bellovcd too much mon
ey Is spent horo for education. Judgo
Perry was the next speaker. Ho
spoko as a member of the recent Tax
Commission, saying also that person
ally ho wus opposed to any Incrcaso
of taxes, and especially to tho tax
bills now beforo tho House. With
tho revenues tho Territory now has
It' ought to bo able to get along and
do' full Justlco to all Its departments.
Regarding tho bills now before tho
House, Judgo I'orry was of tho opin
ion , that tho rem I object of ono of
them is not to' ralso the taxes hut
to. break up the largo land holdings
a thing thnt nt present he felt to
TJio other bill designs to do away en-
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bu stood Ihi ten
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HONOLULU, T. II., TUESDAY, MARCH
tlrcly with tho Incomo tax and ralso
tho properly tax to l',4 per cent. "Tho
Income tax Is ono of tho soundest prln
clplea wo have In tho Territory," said"
Judgo Perry. If nny Increase Is roally
necessary, it seems to me tho best way
would bo to apply the graduated In
como tax. Hut I don't think that nny
Increase In taxation is necessary. Wo
ton get along with what wu hao.
An Iniquitous System.
Tcnhy Pock said ho thought tho prin
ciple underlying 'ho property tax when
associated wlh Iho tax of enterpriser
for profit, is abominable, Iniquitous
A, V. Gear denied that tho tax bill
referred to by Judgo Perry Is designed
to cut up largo Interests. Ho said that
of tho 200,000 peoplo of tho Islands,
only 12,283 pay taxes nn real and per
sonal property. Twcnty-flvo taxpayers
In tho Territory pay one-half of tho
taxes nnd this Is called nn American
Territory! Tho groat trouble with get
ting people to como here Is tho amount
of taxation. The tax bill which ho
proposed would Incrcaso tho taxes of
tho big Interests represented at tho
meeting Just ,t7 per cent.
Tho expenses of tho Territorial Gov
ernment havo Increased $200,000 dur
ing tho last two years. Gear thought
tho thing for tho I.cglslaturo to da was
to flguro just how much money Is
needed nnd then ralso tho rato of tax
ation on real and porsonnl property to
meet tho expenses. Tho present rate
of taxation on tho poor people is too
"I bcllovo In the theory of taxation
resting on tho shoulders of thoso who
can best nfford to pay It. You gentlo
men v,lll nocr notico an Incrcaso of
Thoro nro only 2B09 Incomo tnxpay
Ing people In tho Territory.
"Less than one-tenth of tho Incomo
taxpayers aro paying more than Iho
times tho others."
Gear said tho bill ho advocated
would Increnso tho taxation $79,009.
8mall Man Lucky.
Tenny Peck mado tho statement
that tho Binnll property owner of Ha
waii pays the smallest tax of any place:
In tho United States. No other com
munity, he snld, has n property tax
as low as ono per cent.
Gear was nsked If his graduated In
come tax would not havo n tendency
to destroy tho largo land holdings.
"It would In so far as It would In
crcaso tho small holdings," ho replied.
Ho explained thnt his measure Is
merely tho taking up of tho exemp
tions. Any system of exemption
causes nn unequal taxation.
Carter said that Mr. Gear had dem
onstrated conclusively" thnt It Is tho
rich men vlm are bearing tho burden
of taxation. Gear admitted It.
"And yet you want to Incrcaso their
burden by making them pay moro of
tho taxes," said Carter. "It seems to
mo It ought to bo JiiBt tho other way."
Committee Lying Down.
E. l'axon Dlshop snld that this wns
tho first time In his experience, with
Legislatures that tho question of tax
ntloii had become a llvo Issue. Ho
thought the members of tho Finance,
Committee woro l)lng down on their
Job. They wcro saying, "Wo can't
mnko tho money available go around;
you'll hnvo to glvo us moro. If tho de
partment estimates havo all been cut
down nnd thu revenues of tho Tort I
tory aro iih largo as thoy wero two
years ago, why In thunder can't they
muko It go around? That's what I
want to know Why don't jou tlnd
out vthnt tho counties arc doing with
their inanny, nnd If they nro not get
ting thu best out or It, It Is tho busi
ness of the Legislature to call them
to account for It.
"Now. what rou nunt In tin U In
look around nnd find nut what tho real
expenses aro Instead of taking tho
word of peoplo down town.
"Mr. Gear hero, thinks the poor peo
plo hno got about all they can stag
ger under. I think the big Interests
havo about all they can stagger under.
"Every membor of tho Legislature
comes hero with a list o( things he
wants to got for his constituents. It
Is his stock In trado. Thoso things
havo got to bo cut down. I say look
around on tho uxponso sldo of the
question and don't payvtoo much at
tention to tho question of increasing
Asktd as to his idea regarding tho
IsBuanco of bonds for public Improve
ments, Mr. Ulshou agreed with Gcorgo
It. Carter that bonds should not bo Ih
sued unless for public Improvements
that would ylold a rovenue sufficient
to offset tho bonds. It looks all very
nlco to Issuo bonds for a school which
ylolds no rcvenilo. If wo can afford It.
Hut I think u largo pciccntngo of tho
children In tho schools ought to bo
In tho nursery. They nro In tho
schools becnuso tholr parents want to
got out -and work. And It costs moro
to send them to school than It would
to nurso them."
Penalizing the Rich.
Auditor Flohor Bta'tcd lint ho did
not bellevo In putting a ponnlly on
man becauso ho Is rich. All Incomes
ought to be assessed allko. Ho udnilt
tod, uUo, tnnt tho Tcriltory has
reached a point where moro Jaxos aro
needed or some Items of expenditure
must be cut out.
W, O. Smith tlimi3ht the discussion
n ery valuable one. btit ho enuM nm
see how nny conclusion could be ar-i
nvca at until tho budget submitted by
tho Governor had been digested by
tho Legislature to see how far they
could rcduco tho estimated oxponscs.
If thoy rnnnnt ho reduced, then tho
qiinntlnn Is how to Ineie.itn i,n i
como. Matters of taxation should not
OUR REGULAR ANNUAL"
Sale of Skirts
'Begins on Monday, March 1st
The sale will include many bargains in
White Silk, White Voile, Black Silk,
nnd many FANCY nnd TLAIN CLOTHS.
bo changed often, nnd then only as
little as possible
J. P. Cooko thought tho feature tho
Legislature should pay most attention
to Is tho nntorprlso for profit tax,
which ho said Is often not merely n
ono or ono nnd n half per cent tax,
but tho ono or one and n h.ilf per cunt
tax plus an enormoui incomo tax,
often nmountlng to 15 per cent.
Tenny Peck .again dwelt upon tho
Iniquity of this form of taxation, Ho
suggested that a taxation based on
the net earnings of enterprises, Includ
ing rcutnls, lands, etc., would bo
good thing. A man who was paying
u tnx on hla dividends would tako
moro Interest In questions of govern
ment. Norinnn Wntklus expressed It ns
his opinion Hint tho counties nro gut
ting too great a hluuo of tho revenues.
Tho functions of tho County nro not
nr. Importnnt ns Ihoio of tho Territory.
K. 1). Tenner thought the first duly
of tho Flnnnco Committee Is not to
tnkn tho cstlmntcs anil then consider
immediately way? nnd means of rais
ing money to meet them, hut to tnku
tho reenuo and cut down tho esti
mates to fit It.
In considering tho question or In
creased taxation It Is necessary to tako
Into account the Industries of tho
country. Tho suear Industry is very
1 rosporous now; It is n question how
long It will remain prosperous. Mr.
Tennoy said ho did not bcl!oo In bor
rowing money for public works that
nro non-rcvenuo producing. '
"There Is not a first class business
In this town thnt could not .run tho
Government for hill tho mnnpy nnd
make moner on tho Job," was tho way
i;. I. Spalding sized up tho situ itlon.
"It tho figures were carefully scrutin
ized. I believe t would bo tdiown thnt
cbout hnlf tho revenues are bclnt;
tK)iit for snlarter It Is llko employ.
Ing n $1200 rlerk to do $1200 worth of
business. I claim that our taxca aro
high tnough todiy. While our tax
rato is nominally a low one. tho as
a SHOES 4
rA SHIPMENT jfefll
v iUHEN j0M
SOROSIS sets the Style in Shoes
See Our Now Stock
L. B. KERR & CO., LTD.,
sessed values nro cxtrcme'r high. I
would strongly urgo tho I Minimum
to trim down expenses so ni lo multo
Iho revenue cover them.
Mr. Hackreld agreed with tho gener
al sentiment o.rprerred by most of tlm
others present, thnt expendltuiH
should bo kept within tho present In
come. Shlnglo announced Hint tl.o Com
mltteo nn Agriculture and rurestry of
tho Scnnlo will havo n meeting Mon
day night to discuss Immigration and
conservation of natural resource!).
YOU 00 IT?
Hciv iirr soino Azures from th In-st
Milirtfs poDKiMf- that ounht to set oll
to thinking If ou Imvn klilnry (ll-n
Or. l.oqmIn of IMIcviie loplttil stntos
from (llnlciil iibwrvntloiii iiinl u l.irRi
monitor of nutoponlrs nt UcMcvtto Hint
nlno-Unths of m-ii una womrn our in
lnno llrlxlit'H lilseime In somo form.
Sow lh'UVQr Mi-illc.il Times, Dccemlier,
1903. . 304.
And Iho consiis shoivs that over nlne
trnlhs of nil the ilenllm from kliln(-y
iIIhcum tho last cnmi year vvrro rrnlly
duo to llrlKht'a l)lvac. viz., 68,000 out
of (13.000. H-e U. H. Census for 19O0.
Although llr. l,ooiuH Is mi authority
and It In prcRiimptuotiH, )ct wo cannot
Ih'Uovo with htm that n!tiM(nths of nit
iH-oplo over 40 ti.ivii HrlKht's DIkciiim-. Wo
think hu wouhl htivo been nrnrcr lht
facts If ho had said that nlnc-lcntlm ot
all peoplo hiiWiia kidney troublo hnvo
IlrlRht's Illrtense. for the census figure
cannot hi denied find show conclusively
that nlne-tenths of till tho ilead from kid
ney troubles hud ItrlKht's lilsense.
How on eiuth, then, can peoplo with
kldmy trouble afford In tnkn nnythtni;
but Kiillnn's Keivil Compound, Iho only
known ftptclllc for Urlght'H Dlrense.
It Is suiKTsedlng kidney imdlclncK.
We nro the iiKents. Honolulu Drug Co,
Kort ft. 4G
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