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|f He is Defeated the Demo
cratic Party There May
Be Split for Yeatrs.
Austin. Tex.. IV. 19 (Special-— Judged from
■. n '^rams and letters received by prominent
teaden of the Democratic party in Texas the
of the whole country are interested
in th<> flglu which la being waged in this state
iiVair.st the re-election of J. W. Bailey to the
**nSted States Senate. In Texas the interest in
the matter is team It ■ not • fight of Re
publicans apainst a Democratic leader. It is a
centos: wholly inside of the lines .of tree Demo
cratic party- Whatever may be the result, so
far as the election or defeat Of Bailey is con
cerned, it ii believed by close political ob
servers thr.t it means the temporary ruin of the
IVTttocmric party in Texas. The adherents of
ftallT re F!> devoted to him that if he should
fro down in defeat under the weight of the
charges that have been made against him they
cxnild refuse to affiliate for years to come with
;h*> faction of the party instrumental In bring
ing about that end.
ncer.tratod and intensified
Is b- ing made against Bailey at
Attirniy Sonera! R. V. Davidson.
Mf. • this state as one
• i-.liticians in Texas. Not
•!)■ btttor correspondence tha: has
: 1 Davidson «n the
the <~harj:--s that are now pending
BT, Mr. Davidson affirms that
•■ ..'.: pal • .• dalles swoonl have
Davidson disclaims that
• oa] motive back of his con
• legal contest which Texas is
•■ drive the Waters-Pierce Oil Com
paa t of the atafe He says that the
of Bailey's nain^ in connection with
■ essential t" Its successful prosecu
The anti-Bailey agitation in Texas is not the
growth of a low weeks or of a few months. It
bt£zn immediately following the readmission of
the Waters-Pierce Oil Company to do business
Id Texas In 1900, Just before Baileys first elec
tion to the Senate. The Waters-Pierce Oil Com
par.y had been debarred from doing business in
Texas by decree of the Supreme Court of this
ftatf, which decision was affirmed by the United
States Supreme Court. The grounds for this
. poster were that it was a party to a trust and
had vitiated the anti-trust laws of Texas. The
fpeclf.c charge was that Its stock was owned
er controlled by the Standard Oil Company
AftT the decree of the court of last resort had
.been made in the case the Waters-Pierce Oil
Ceinpsjay went through th» process of dissolu
tion in the 1 'at*- of Missouri, and formed a new
corporation of the same name and was char
tered under the laws of that state. It then came
to Texas ar.d sought readmission to do business
iz this state as a wholly new concern.
BAILEY HELPED FILE IT.
Tho« who wire In the party which brought
th«> ecrtifi^d copy of th*> new charter to Austin
fir Sling in the Secretary of State's office were
Ja-fc John D Johnson and H. Clay Pierce, of
Ft L<vjis: Senator J. W. Bailey and Judge
O r r;:r riark. the Texas attorney for the
conpany. Upon the representation which
Mr. Plerc* made to the Secretary of State that
the Btandard <"»i! Company had disposed of all
of Its stock In the 1 s Items company, and
upnr. his swnm affidavit that the latter company
was not in any way connected with a trust
or monopoly, the Secretary of State of Texas
ar<-f>7.?<=-<i and filed th*» charter. Senator
EaJl^y arui thr- other members of the party held
a conference with Attorney General T. S. Smith
prior to the films; of th*» charter and obtained a
written •"■pinion from him tha' the r<=-a.lmisslon
of th* o<>*rr>any would not be in violation of any
law cf ir.if- state.
The L^Ki.^atur* by which Bailey was to be
elected to the Senate convened shortly after
this transaction. In the mean time the report
became nol&al about thai Bailey had accepted
a i*+ for his services in securing the r^admis-
Etaa of th* Waters-Pierce Oil Company to do
bus!r!f?s in this State The Legislature ap
potatcd an investigating committee, and Mr.
Eailf-y was summoned to appear before it and
explain his connection with the matter He
did sr>. and according to the reports of that in
vestigation he testified that he never received
any fff- or remuneration for hi? services for the
WaTer.'-Pierce Oil Company, and that in doing
what h«- did he was actuated solely through his
friendship for ex-Governor David R. Francis of
Missouri, who requested him to come to Austin
££■} sTid assistance to H. Clay Pierce in his
tirr.*> of Trouble with the Texas state author
ities. Mr. Bailey also declared that the Waters-
Pierc Oi! Company was not a trust, and that it
fca-i no connection with the Standard Oil Com
Mr Bailey's own statement, and
- f any proof to the contrary, that
tive investigating committee brought
■ \ r.^-rating him fr"m any wrons>
■ ■ rr.nttr-r complained of. He was
the thereupon Without '■;>-
Thai Bettled the matter for the time being.
BaUey had almost Dieted his first term as
Sena' 1 r and his name had gone before the peo
ple and received unanimous indorsement for hie
re-election at the Democratic primaries on July
2S las:, which action was affirmed at the state
conx'entlon, which was held on
Atgurt 14. Not a breath of opposition to Bailey
was heard up to that timo so far as the noosi.
bOity cf aay one entering the field against him
Oa September 12, H. Clay Pierce threw a
veritable bombshell into the ranks of Texas
Democracy by testifying in the Missouri ouster
proceeding! against the Waters-Pierce Oil Com-
Dany that be had turned over to Bailey
Quantities of securities of the Tennessee Central
Railroad to do with as he pleased. This testi
mony showed to the people Of this state that
Ball*;- was having important financial relations
■Ith H Clay Pierce, the prime factor in the
Oil Company. About the same
tiaie that this testimony was given by Mr.
Pierre the fact was developed in the same case
that the Waters-Pierce Oil Company had never
***a divorced from the Standard Oil Company
£ nd that th* transfer of stock which led to the
rea^a-.issifjn of »h<» company to do business In
Texas in Urf» wu a bogus transaction made for
tte epecial purpose of fooling the authorities of
thpse developments percolated through
*&* Ifcmocracy of Texas there was an uprising,
18 It were, of men who clamored that Bailey
6fcou!«i be brought to account for his alleged
' ' ■ MSB hi the matter.
Seaator Bailey was in the East when the
■term broke loose. He hurried back to Texas
*£- started oat on a campaigning tour that
every part of the euite. In his ■seeches
°» this trip he declared that he had never re
s^v«4 aRy mon^y or thing of value- from th«*
*•*»*- r%txcfc OU Company; that he was never
SENATOR BAILEY'S FIGHT STIRS ALL TEXAS.
J. P. LIGHTFOOT.
Assistant Attorney General of Texss.
in the employ of that company, and that he
had been true to the people of Texas.
His declarations had th* effect to some extent
of allaying the storm that was gathering about
him. He returned to Washington a short time
ago. but had hardly got settled down when At
torney General R. V. Davidson filed suit against
tho Waters-Pterce Oil Company to oust it from
Texas and for the recovery of penalties aggre
gating $5,000,000. In the petition which he filed
in that case he alleged that political Influence
had been used to secure the readmission of the
defendant company to Texas in 1900. When
Bailey read this he became indignant and wrote
Attorney General Davidson a pointed letter on
the subject. Davidson replied in a letter equally
Attorney General Davidsoa and Assistant At
torney General J. P. Lightfoot visited New York.
BC L^uiß. Cleveland and Flndlay. Ohio; Jef
ferson City, Mo.; Chicago and Kansas City in
quest of evidence and depositions to be used
In the trial of the pending case against the
Waters-Pierce Oil Company. They were highly
successful in their mission at each of the places
which they visited.
AN EMBARRASSING DEMAND-
When the case came up for trial in the dis
trict court here recently the attorneys for the
Waters-Pierce Oil Company made a motion that
the allegation contained in the state's petition
that the defendant company had used political
Influence to secure readmisslon to this state
be ordered stricken out. The court overruled
the motion and held that the allegation was
properly In the petition. It was then that At
torney General Davidson "set the grass afire."
politically speaking, by filing with the court a
document demanding that the defendant com
pany furnish the state with certain vouchers
which are alleged to show that Bailey received
various sums of money at stated times from
H. Clay Pierce, who was acting for the Waters-
Pierce Oil company.
The publication of this demand of the Attor
ney General brought forth a hot reply from
Senator Bailey, who was then at Washington.
He asserted that if any such vouchers were in
existence they were forgeries, and that he had
never received any money from the Waters -
Pierce Oil Company. He also charged Attorney
General Davidson with being a party to a politi
cal conspiracy to defeat him for re-election.
Attorney General Davidson has replied to
Bailey's letter by asking the latter a series of
questions as to whether he ever received cer
tain specific sums of money, the transactions of
which, as contained upon the books of the
Waters-Pierce Oil Company, are given in detail
In this connection it is asserted by Attorney
General Davidson and Assistant Attorney Gen
eral L/ightfont that they have ample secondary
proof of every charge that has been made
against Senator Bailey, which they will offer
in the suit against the Waters-Pierce Oil Com
pany when It comes to trial at the March term
of court if the company does not comply with
their request In the matter of furnishing the
original vouchers and correspondence. It is un
derstood that this secondary proof is In the
nature of copies of the vouchers and letters and
of fwoto depositions of present or former offi
cials of the defendant company.
If an investigating committee of the Legis
lature is appointed to probe Into the charges
against Bailey, the evidence which the Attorney
General has on hand will be available for its
Senator Bailey has answered Attorney Gen
eral Davidson's questions by admissions that
he received the several sums of money as speci
fied from H. C Pierce. He says that the trans
actions were all of a personal nature, and that
they had no place upon the books of the Waters-
Pierce Oil Company. Mr. Bailey insists that the
transactions were placed upon the books of that
company for the purpose of covering up thefts
of money from that company.
Senator Bailey's answer to the charges are
far from satisfactory to that element of Texas
Democrats who are opposing his re-election.
They say that he should have made a clean
breast of his transactions with H. C. Pierce
when the first hint was given of his alleged
connection with the Waters-Pierce Oil Company
six years ago. They also assert that if It is not
improper for him to serve H. C. Pierce as at
torney there would be nothing -wrong for him
to act as attorney for John D. Rockefeller or
any other individual who is identified with great
monopoly or trust Interests.
The anti-Bailey members of the Legislature
will not decide upon a candidate against Mr.
Bailey until the Legislature meets next month,
when tli*-v will hold a caucus and try to agree
upon some one for the place. Among those who
are mentioned as possible candidates are Gover
nor-elect T. M. Campbell, ex-Senator Horace
Chilton. former Attorney General M. M. Crane
and ex-Governor J. D. Sayers.
SPOKE FOR SELF ONLY.
Professor B urges* Says He Did Xot
Voice President's Views.
Ii- Richard KutwtU
Berlin. Now 30. — Professor John W. Burgess,
of Columbia University, whose recent speech
before the Kaiser on the Monroe Doctrine caused
such a sensation and was bo severely criticised
by the American press, has likewise been in a
measure disciplined by th« American residents
of Berlin. Ho had been originally appointed to
deliver the speech at the annual Thanksgiving
dinner of the American colony at the Hotel
Prince Albrecht, but after his address at the
university another speaker was asked to take
his place. This expression of disapproval is.
his friends here aver, hasty and unmerited, for,
according to the professor, his words have been
entirely misunderstood and distorted. When I
<^nied on him this morning at the Hotel de
Rome, one of the large hotels near TTnter den
Linden, and within a stone's throw of the uni
versity, he gave me another interpretation of his
"There ban been more unnecessary fuss made
over my little speech than I ever heard tell of
in my life*" ho began. Thar* is absolutely
nothing in it to cause such an upheaval of popu
lar excitement. Every single question which
has been raised by. the American press ulttx-r»«
NEW-YORK DAILY TRIBUNE. SUNDAY. DECE^rSER IG. 1006.
JOSEPH D. SAVERS.
Ex-Governor of Texas, mentioned as a
probable successor of Bailey.
gard to it has been answered by the speech
itself. There is nothing that I can say about It
that you cannot ftnC in the text. Why, I am
positively ashamed 01 the hysterical display that
has been made in America on this occasion. I
have conic here to represent Uncle Sam to the
Germans as an objective, self-restrained, clear
headed Individual, but it will be pretty hard to
make them believe It after this. Why. some
Americans have even gone so far as to say that
I was a traitor to my country! What do you
think of that?" The professor's gesture im
plied utter disgust.
"Now, have you read my speech?" he de
I produced a clipping from an American
"No. not that:" he exclaimed. "I will, show
you the only correct copy of the text." He went
into the next room and returned with th»- offi
cial German version, published by the univer
"Now," he want on. spreading it out on his
knee, "the great crime with which I hay*» boon
charged is that I have attacked the Monroe Doc
trine. I haven't atta^k^d it: I never said I
didn't believe in it It might be inferred from
th'- context that I didn't regard it with the same
superstitious aw.^ as most Americans d-\ bur I
never said I didn't. I us.-d it in my speech
merely as an example of a subject on which a
duly appointed I'nlted States Ambassador could
not talk freely and a mere Roosevelt professor
GOVERNOR PENNYPACKER'S FAVORITE EXERCISE.
Walking About His Farm Without
Coat or Colla.r— His Views
on MeLity Topics.
By .hmn B Mnrrow
Harrisburp. Perm. Dec 15.— The first night
Samuel Whttaker Pennypacker spent in }farris
hurg he roller; himself up In a red horse blanket
and slept on the State House steps. An emer
gency soldier, ho was or the way to G<^tv?burg.
I found him iti the Governor's lordly n<-w
office, spread out in a sumptuous chair, having
hi? boot.-; bis sked — boots of ,m ancient pattern,
thin calfskifi, with high morocco top;-, the cost
of which, carefully shaped and measured to the
foot, must have been about $\r>
A man who ha? studied him for thre^ years,
independently, intelligently and daily, says that
hr- is judicial. <"001, equable and patient; also
that he works like a horse-.
Governor Pennypa^k'-r's mouth is large, his
eyes are full a:;i brown, his nose is small and
turned up. his f.a>-e is tanned by wind and
weather, and his cheeks have the warm flush of
sound health. In his stature he is "» feet 10
inches; in weight. !!*> pounds, perhaps
"My family has been in this country for more
than two centuries," the Governor said. Ge
nealogy is hl6 pride and history his most cher
ished entertainment. "We came from Holland,
although one of my ancestors was 'Anderson, a
Scotchman. My blood surveyed for Perm,
fought in the Revolution, served in Congress,
and took a conspicuous part in the purchase of
Louisiana. Nevertheless, the Pennypackers
have lived, wrought and died in a single little
neighborhood, the area of which is scarcely
nioro than nine miles.
COULD READ AT THREE AI?D A HALF.
"I was born at Phcrnixville. which is twenty
seven miles from Philadelphia. I was not four
years old when I started to school, and fivon
then I could rt ad. At ton I took up French.
I can read it now about as well as English. It
has been stated that I know several languages.
A man can really know only one. I read Greek.
Latin, German and Spanish after a fashion, but
it is not accurate to say I know all of those
THE KONIGLICHE FRIEDRICH WILHELMS
PROFESSOR- J. W. BV.RQEB3. ~^~
JOSEPH W. BAILEY.
United States Senator, who may not be re
could. I selected the Monroo Doctrine because
It seemed to me to be an extreme example, cal
culated to brincc my meaning home to my audi
ence. I wanted to show that th~ Roosevelt pro
fessor Is fre«- from limitations which must of ne
cessity hamper an ambassador; that he can say
anything he wants to say without fear of caus
ing international complications.
"It would be impossible for an ambassador to
criticise the Monroe Doctrine, even if ho dis
believed in It, because be represents the ;
of the President. A Roosevelt professor, on the
other hand, can express his opinions freely and
condemn it if h»< feels so Inclined, because he
is simply a private individual. I have said all
this in my speech, but nobody seems to have,
understood it. The words I spoke have met
with deal" ears beyond the Atlantic. I am an
ambassador of peace, and ir seems particularly
unfortunate that I should haw stirred up so
much animosity on all sid»s. Neither has it
been my intention to criticise the diplomacy of
America. The diplomacy of America is as effi
cient as that of any other country. All I m^ant
was that all diplomacy must of necessity work
in a complicated and hesitating manner when
it attempts to discuss political tenets which,
have come to be looked upon as sacred hy any
"Ir is only natural that America would r^g-trd
any attempt on the part of a foreign government
to interfere with the Monroe Doctrine or the
protective tariff with great suspicion. Th.^
Roosevelt professor, as I have said a hundred
times already, does not represent any govern
ment, and consequently is able to exchange his
views on the subject with equally unofficial '>-r
mans without fear of undermining friendly re
"A great many people, even ln America, he-
SAMUEL WHITAKER PENNYPACKER.
Governor of Pennsylvania.
"Pre«entl\- you moved to Philadelphia?"
"Yts. my father went there to become a pro
fessor in a medical college. At his death, which
occurred several years thereafter, he left very
little property. My grandfather, who hid bean
an ironmaster, had an estate valued at |i
There were those, however, who thought I
ought to go to work. I got a place in a drug
store, but In a year returned to my studies. At
the agr- of nineteen I taught school, ir. twelve
months I Joined ;in emergency regiment and
started for Gettysburg;. When we goi v Harris
burs; there was no place for us, ana so we
spread around. I had a red horse, blanket and
slept <>n the Capitol steps. I had no visions then
of the future. The. country was in confusion and
the mimis of men wore, in tumult and dla 1
I was only concerned in the preseni Wi wei
on the mad to Gettysburg; that was all. My
regiment fired the shots which precod
buttle — opened, I can truly say, the gr
conflict at arms of modern times. Up to Gettys
burg this waa not a nation. On that terrible
JNIVERSITY AT BERLIN, WHERE PROFES-
field! the question -was settled for all ages to
"CONTINUES HIS LAW STUDIES.
"When I returned to Philadelphia I resumed
my studies, and In 1566. at the ace of twenty
three, was graduated in law from the University
of Pennsylvania. One winter I kept the books
of an oil company. That helped to pay my col
lege expenses. When admitted t<> the bar. al
though I say It i passed «mo of the best exam
inations on record. 1 didn't starve when I began
to practise. I had friends, acquaintances and
R. V. DAVIDSON.
Attorney General of Texas.
Bero that the vast changes among the powers
of Europe and the assumption of the United
States of its place as a world power have ren
dered the Monroe Doctrine almost meaningless.
Such a point of view is entirely conceivable and
certainly well worth discussion, and as the
American Ambassador, even if he was convinced
of Its truth— which I do not suppose he is—
would, by nature of his official position, be un
able to express his opinion, the American people
ought to be well pleased that the Roosevelt
professors at least can say what they think and
help to the besi of their ability to promote the
exchange of modern ideas between Germany and
America, for this method may lead to preat re
sults which it would otherwise be Impossible to
attain. It is nothing but the work of a few
private persona toward effecting a friendly ex
change of opinions upon questions of supreme
importance, and has absolutely nothing to do
ments int " ntinns and schemes of govern
"My personal friendship for President Roose
velt appears to have given rise to the idea that
in criticising the Monroe Doctrine I was ex-
L r^!!!, o hl3 T °™ /^l™*- Nothing is more
ridiculous I said in my speech that our politi
cians looked upon the Monroe Doctrine as an
artfctefof faith, I suppose that the President
is a politician as we as thf others I certain'r
meant to Include him among them. 1 neUh^r
S h t'o 1 SH I
SSb2S°Si Bu 7?" pau?Pd emphatically, an«
e\ * ? Iht statemfint would put an end for
■ ■1,-1," controversy about his speech
many "m" m "£■"" yy ° U think yy ° Ur work "in Ge^
wi3 cl V 22S? 11 *?1? 1 nil that in my speech !tk»
cM Ev , er >" "this*n s'* in that speech, if people
*ould only understand it. My interpretation
family Influence. I marl* SSM the first year.
and rortwrtw years th «reafter had constant
££?. a ? JJab. aa bel c employment I was judge in
. hliadf-lphia for a lons time before I was elected
Governor of Pennsylvania."
a "How d V I y " u set Interested In historical re
■wchandstudj v° U ar * ■»M to be the high
tatin- to the history coumr >" all matters re
lating to th^ history of Pennsylvania "
, ril • IV - | , ):1 : ' /"Bi'-'n that was rich m memory.
For£» and tradition. Phlla^'Phia and Vall?>-
Forgewere near at hand. When I was six years
old I went to Valley Forge with my fathefand
M*?n* l'foV l T r it the P"*»b"°ry laws of
.Matne. I found a Hint arrowhead and I may
f a> ",i hat my imerest in hi.ror^- b*~in witn S
incident. Afterward -I Earned th« PennS?
vanla was. the birthplace and nurse" of "meri
can thought. When Massachusetts opposed the
purehasejof Louisiana the people of Penn^i
' ' ■ •■ Vmerican
taated. The protective : ab J!
%!SK a°^ f K SS2KS2
gftg ww t C T° £ te^* concerned in hi^o^
l ou left the bench to accept political officer*
unpledged. Xo promise had been -Hen^o afv
j2ss 1 ti n d ° «s!?;fiat3i d^ v ss
decide. I have kept out of politics
-r am at my desk i.v 9 In the morale" the
What is your quarrel with the newspapers-
NOT HOSTILE TO THE PRESS.
"There can be no quarrel when one of tho
parties is friendly. lam not hostile to the news
papers, We couldn't K et along without them.
But no power on earth should Ite pt-rmitted to
exist outside of all control and responsibility
Kings have had to yield. The Bourbons wouldn't
and were based out of Europe. A mUhty power.
the press at times has been tyrannical, demor
alizing and unscrupulous. Scandals are exploit
ed to gain circulation; evils an spied out not to
cure them, but to protlt by tlu-ir publicity;
crimes are elaborated with a nourish to pain
attention. A strumpet marries some rich Idiot
and her picture and a description of her dia
monds, dresses, dogs and automnWlos are printed
under great black headlines. Is then any moral
purpose in it? You can answer that question
for yourself. Young girhi read this horrid rub
bish, and sin and dishonor are suggested to at
least some of them. A man walked past a hard
ware stove and saw .1 huge knife hanging in
the window. He bought •;?• knife, hunted down
the Duke of Buckingham and kill. him. Crime
can be printed, but why should It tx made at
tractive-? A murder set forth in Rlarinsr type
may lead to ot!#rs. It is notoriously so with sui
cides. Does th»» lynching of Negroes in the
South stop assaults upon white women? No;
at all. Tho publicity of one offence is suggestive
to hundreds of other Negroes in all parts of
the country, and women are in more danger
"Holding the views 1 do. I thought it well to
make the newspapers of Pennsylvania respon
sible for their acts and accounts to authority.!
I believed the way to begin was to prevent
anonymity— to mil;- th» i owrlers and editor* out
into the light where the world could see them.
I suggested to the Legislature, therefore, thnt a
law be enacted compelling newspapers to print
on their editorial pages th«- names of the r.u-.i
responsible for what was published. The Legis
lature adopted the suggestion. Conditions haw
been Improved. No harm has b<-en done to (*•■-
cent newspapers. The other kind are row held
in boom restraint, and are liable for injury done
to Innocent persons. I have read what 4 Presi
dent Roosevelt said about 'muck rakers' and
the resultant comments of th» % newspapers! i
sometimes happens that th«- man who plants tho
seed doesn't gather the crop."
"In your opinion, what are the most important
questions before the country?"
NEED UNIFORM DIVORCE LAWS.
"Right at hand, for immediate consideration, a
uniform divorce law. AH that is good begins in
the home. The question of the future is. What
use are we to make of our power? We are
eighty millions now. The whole worl.l Is movies
10 America. By and by our population will \>u
five hundred millions, or half a billion. We shall
have more power than any nation on earth.
Holland, rich, with threw million people, was
M. M. CRANE.
Ex-Attorney General of Texas* mentioned A*, a
probable successor of Bailey.
of my mission here is briefly this: to wcrtsl
toward the development of a world opinion on
great subjects In place of a purely national
opinion, which must always bo distorted b«
political dislikes and Jealousies. In the coarsss
of the world's history we have often seen aro«l|
states consolidating to form one great T»jt.ti<Y^.j
This tendency was never stronger than noir^
And it is conceivable, and certainly desttSkbla
that in the years to coma this tendency shai3
continue to grow stronger, and in turn brings
these great nations together to form one mightjj
people and bring about a lasting world peace*
To labor toward that end, which may b* dUH
tant. but is most certainly worth coutenw
plating. Is ray conception o£ the. Roosevelt pro*
bwjsos*s mission." *
"Do many German students attend your»lsae4
tires?" * ~^Jj
"Well, about two hundred. I waa a rtn<3«tl
at the Berlin "University myself at on© t&a»
and I deliver ray lectures, as I did my speech
in German. The consequence la that tvm ■
Americans come to hear them; but that la oni9 '
as it should be. for my work her© la among th«
Germans. A!! the German students I hay« moi
are hard working, earnest men. consumed by
the desire of adding: to their knowledge, la
every way possible. At the American Instt.
tute, where I come more into personal contact
with the students. I have a Judge, and a lawyer^
both, of course, older men. who have obtained
special permission to attend, and they are aa
di!i»ent and eager to learn as any young I'carpi1 'carpi
student.* We are at present at work: on tha
American Constitution from, tha legal stand?"
"My reception by the German university pr»*
fessors has been exceedingly cordial, ad I knew
it would be. and I find a great deal of sym-%
pathy for my work on all sides. Altogether :3s: 3s
am perfectly satisfied with* everything in. BerW
whipped by England. Now England must gtv«.
way to the United States. We are going to
have awful power, frightful power. How shall
we employ it? Who will direct us in Mi em
ployment? There Is a wide field for speculation
an.l prophecy In these inquiries. And so the
home, the seat of earthly power, th« influence
that counts to the end. is brought into the fore
"But isn't money getting the chief work ot
"It hasn't been mine." said Governor Penny
packer, and his eyes led the laugh which came
into his face. "It has always seemed to me.**
he said, "that the getting of money is a rather
low order of talent. Fortunes in this country
are too big; and a way must be found to control
them. Wealth develops the country, builds,
opens and spans, but these things are simply;
the incidents in the enterprise; or. more prop-!
erly, the greed of human nature. I make no
war on wealth, but there are. many better any*
bitions than the piling ut> of dollars. Stephen}
Girard hired a man to carry bricks from on*
side of his yard to the other and then back
again. The man quit in disgust. There musH
be a purpose in work, and it ought to be at
worthy purpose. When It isn't there la no coa>2
tribution to the moral growth of the person, ea**
ployed. What are the impulses behind* maitf
■who has $50,000,000 and -wants more?"
A VIGOROUS DENIAL.
"Does the Pennsylvania Railroad really cox*%
trol the business and. politics of this state 2"
"That Is common resort, but It Isn't so, "Wfc|
are proud of tho Pennsylvania Railroad. acd t%
is doing much for our people; but It is hoc run-*,
ning the commonwealth. Th© Legislature* s«n*
me a bill giving that railroad tha right o2 enit*
nent domain, and I vetoed it. Homestead!
were to be torn down, door-yards were to be out
in two. and private property generally was tc
be outraged that the distance by rail between*
New York and Chicago might be made straight-?
er and shorter. I believe In railroads, but I alscc
believe in the rights or private property. 'H
"One of the modern ways of getting th© lan*
of other people la to organize a corporation aaA
bring proceedings of condemnation. Coaflsca^*
tlon might be a better word. The boards of Cl-y.
rectors sit in their offices In New York, Phlla^
delphia or Chicago, and vote that your hoiuei
shall be ' m down, the house In which you weray
born, in which your children have been reared^'
and ln which you hope to die. Maybe they wil]
take no raoro than your bam and leave you oa 1
deformed littlo lot that is nothing short of a
nightmare. And they not only want the right c&
way with their tracks, but their switches and
shops. Water companies tried tha saina game.
I vetoed the bills when they reached me. M
land is to be taken, let a proper tribunal decide
if it hi ran needed. If It is necessary for ram
to abandon the home I love I will yield and ire
j away, but I want the order to move to emanate*
i from wholly disinterested persons, and not front!
! a railroad office a hundred or a thousand miles]
I distant. You asked about the important fju.es>*
tions of the day. Well, the right of eminent do*
j main is ono of them."
WON ON THEIR MERITS.
"How did Simon Cameron and then Matthew
I Stanley Quay succeed In dominating the stats
for so many years?"
"A church is established. Twelve men are s*»
lected vestrymen, and are charged with hirlnjp
a rector, burying the dead, and keeping a roof
over the congregation. One man likes to stay
at home nights. One ha 3 business. One is mar
ried ami can't come. Presently a single vestry
man is doing everything. It is so in politics.
j If a king i-hose* a minister he consults his own
I interest and desire. liut in a republic the man
j who tights his way to the front has longer legs
; <>r a bigger head than the other fellows. Simon,
I Cameron won on his merits and stayed because
(•he was satisfactory. In some r*»sp«*cts Quay wm
I one of the greatest men of his time. H«» was
! far from being a perfect character, but ho waa
1 a thinker, a reader of the- best literature, ami
I could !>«*■ int>» the future. Moreover fee was
j truth?'.:! and loyal to his friends."
-Xo; 1 am opposed to both. The nanton a*>
j ing of life is riprehenslble. in my opinion. I ana
I riot a vegetarian, either. I think pork la about
the best meat there is. The teeth were made to>
work, and so was the stomach. Consequently I
don't cat breakfast foods. My beat breakfast'
is ham and eggs. Walking la ftne- When you
drive you see nothing of tho country. To rlda>
in an atomoblle is worse. But go afoot and, you*
j learn much and see »nore. I have a farm of s«
! hundred acres at Pennypacker*s -UilU. I ralsei
j all kini's of grain and keep a herd of cow*. Thai
I house in which I live hus been owned by my,
i family since 174". Washington once .1 to it hi%
• headquarters. I go home on Friday of ■ 1 'hi
S week ami stay av^ay until Monday. Without
collar or coat I walk all over tho place. ThACs
my exerclae." • -.-"