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the reflrserv. His first advancement was quickly
told of. Mr. Milburn fired his questions in rapid
succession, to be answered with due deliberation
by Mr. Rockefeller: -
q How lons did >ou continue in the relation
tl at you have mentioned with your associate .
A—Tie continued until the early part of the
**QQ rr — What chance took place at that time? A —
The dissolution of th© copartnership of Andrews.
C! "-Ana°'whit succeeded? A— l bought the
O— And what smveedeU? A— i bought the
r>ropfrty and *!:<• business The successor? to the
business were a firm which we .h-n organized
vn««r the name of Rockefeller & Andrews.
Q — Had you ar.y other asßQ elates wn*n >«.■■:
orranized that firm than yourself and Mr An
<sre»-5? — None at. that time in this- refinery
bu*inesr. . ..
Q — Between the lime that you started, whether
St •»■•? In IMS or U42. and this lime in lSt>s
when you organized the flrm of Rockefeller *
*j^'i«r*ws. h«d you Increased your business and
r th* capacity of yor.r refinery- A. — res, we bad
'♦readily Increased the business and the capacity
the "refinery.
• This firm continued for about two years, but
there was a change in 1866. when the firm of
; TVilliam Rockefeller & Co. was organised, and
Mr RofVf-reller said that this company built a
refinery adjoining the one of Rockefeller &
Andrews in IS6§. The next change was the or
ranization of Rockefeller & Co.. to take hold of
'the N>w York export business. But he made it
<-l-ar after a while that the three companies
■were composed of lame men — himself, his
brother "William and Mr. Andrew*. The de
termination to make enterprise, with economy,
'the guiding principle came out in the elucida
•tior of the organization of the New York com
r-fir . :
Q— Who particularly had charge of the New
"York busine*?? a —William Rockefeller removed
1* New York, took \ip his residence there.
Q. — To develop ■- sale of oil from that point?
A.— To develop the ssle of oi! from that point. s»nd
■to cave for our business the expenses of the com
rrJs«io:i men: and. by doing cur own warehouse
business, to reduc*. if possible, to the minimum of
raat the hardline of the oil which we exported.
Q— Yo-.i have given M the organization of that
fra Ir; 19«, and at that time there were th» three
firms which you have mentioned in existence,
wag th* next char.pe? A.— The next change
■i«v-k pla-« in the year MB one year after the or
ganization of the last named f.rms of William
Rockefeller & >Zo and Rockefeller & Co.. of New
■Vnrk.
, <} — Wnaf »«!= that change in I|C A'l the prop
**rti<«: ■' Rockefeller & Andrew?. William Rocke
■J»iler * Co. J»r>d Rockefeller & Co. were put to-
; r»'h»r. tak»n over by tbe firm of Rockefeller. An-
Sr«TT!B 4- FlugW.
Q —Was Mr. Plac ■ an addition to your organi
!«lin at that time" A.— Mr. Plagier was a man
;*irea4T of - -r» busies* experience and a valuable
»=<i<3:r: to our firm in the conduct of .he business.
■al ■ Itnj* amount of capital was then added at
'ih*t tiTji*.
«J.— Then at that Tun* you bed the two refineries
whk:: had b»eri built at "v^'anri and the ware
;Jious-ing rxvA merchandizes business in N»>w York?
.-•/■« » » had tbe commission business ln New
:Tork. ar.<l our warelioasirg business was in i-onnec
*ri<in -■--•«,• anri ifc«> ma.n - jfacturinp wa« tone
>y ttif.f i»o r»nrer:e« at '."'eveland
•-* witness, after telling of the advent of Mr.
I -: «". came to the time of the organization
<f the Standard Oil Company of Ohio. when, in
iRTO, a number of capitalists were interested and
the im-orporation was made. Thi«; company was
•«I«Tlar*d illegal by the state courts in 1592.
•"When, organized it had a. capital of $1,000,000.
••which showed s growth from the !S6O-"62 busi
vesft, with it* 54.000 of capital, that Mr. Rocke
•felier alluded •■< with a twinkle in his eyes.
This new company took over all the properties
*'f the other companies in Cleveland and New
•Tork City. Mr. Milburn then started a line of
xiu»?tion*Mo show that the development of th*»
business vas-r.crt due to an sgrgre«sive policy,
but the natural outcome of an economical de
v»lopn--« ending in' the mastery of the oil
trad*.
Q. — W'l.at V.a.i b»en the <our*» «if your business
<Suriag those wxnt. up to the time of the organiza
tion of the Ftandaro Oil Company of Ohio, with
• r-« , re. I mean noT\ to inrowtl Increase? A. — We
ha ad a si«ao- prow ' from the organization of
i -«■ first firm ir i*6o or 1562 until that time.
O — Tl-.«t lf>. it baii it~*n one of growth and in
• -••"»*• «1! th« tim*>? A.— Growth and increase;
ktea4jr rrovth Bti<? ijirreaf.
Q. — Anil bow wae it us to th" attention that you
Tr.rn. lt^ owners, irn»reftp(] In it. pave to It —
*'. rh« matter of irripro-. errcnt ir< methods? A. — We
i\«>r«. of oowrwJ <-onirtantly devotlnc wuraejves to
tht **u<ly of "rvVrythinc that would promote Its
-ftrth ir effßC fiepairtment of the manufacture
snd niortJiandis'ni:. the flianrc and all that w-ou'«!
co ?o - to ■- proeperity. We had no other
>■ .«fn«-es
Q. — None «if you hsd: neith*" yoir nor William
Ttoctcfelier nor Mr. Ftagler? A —No.
Mr. BackcfHkr said that up to 1870 the pro
tection of crude oil was confined largely
to v»:.anK" County. Pesnt. This oil wsca
r»Sn«d in Cleveland. PMlsfmrg, Philadelphia,
JBaJtimore. Parks-isburg and Kcw York, and at
OH CJty. up »nd doun Oil Creek. Refineries
jrnultiph*o rapicly: it was a prospero business.
Sh» witne*!" <«aid People turned to renning oil
jro3! »0 ■ -■- of other occupations. But Mr.
hßacaaafSsaer said that his refineries were model«
•Mr. Andrews an an Interest in tbe business
t>^r 6 a»*- of his practical knowledge. Cleveland
■u-as the best IW sMssj point. Mr. Rockefeller
«id. for the domestic trade, its transportation
bseaaMaaa by rail and water b»-ing especlaliy
*Wood. His reliance was on the Northern rail
»oa<J?. however— th«« Lake Shore, the New York
pCStraL the Atlantic fir Great Western and the
Iferle. By water th* canals ssn used to the
■SHuai>or, to the warehouses. This last route was
it»f especial advantage to the Standard Oil Corn-
V^ny because it had the capital to stand the
'slower tran?portalioa. The • ompany's refinery
In I?:"". va« the best and largest in the country.
Then Mr Milburn came to the innovations in
troduced owing to the keen competition.
q Can you mention any innovations or iit.
.... in the oil business during 'these years
ahet your firm Introduced, eltbei In the mode of
i*Sn'fi(T or th« mode of conducting the business?
jl. — I do not know that i can give particularly tlie
psoccessfve Bteys. V.> wer«: steadily ncorporatlng
*:ew .... and putting them into practice for the
T*nefl; of our business. Perhapa ! might stut*
as to one. among otliers. tiiat we beajsn the manu
f. ■ . by machinery. Shall
J cpeak any f-irti-er?
q. — Yt>F. teil us about that. A. — The barrels
■which we u*>ed were if a capacity of about forty
f.\e pa lons, forty-four gallons or bo. We boe;ut
iL»-se barrels of tiie •ii. a:: barn makers, wlio
V>oulrht their -stavf-fi from stave dealers here an*
there about the country. The barrels thai we
*.«-cured from them were rot »o gix>d to hold the
•11. Tbe barrels were not always dry.
Ther came the determination to make their
eve barrels. Tb« company was paying -*2 50
tor barrels which were not always good, an-1
there was much trouble and iocs in the ship
:n«nts. rty getting the eat of woods, swaying the
timh»r and dryinr it in th«> forests and in kilns.
«nd msnufacturing the receptacles the com
Abollinaris
m £ m "THE C'JEEN OF TABLE WATERS."
As supplied to the
Emperor of Germany,
King of England, Prince of Wales,
King of Spain, etc.
pany saved half on t?;e c<-.*t of barrels, end In
creased their holding capacity also I>> two.
thr~\ four and five gallon*. It alss rasmrad an
adequate supply.
Mr. Rockefeller -said that bis company wa =
a'one in making barrel? for Its own use for a
number of years, and .this gave it a big advan
tage. He said, that this additional business rep
resented a very good profit. The company had
the capital to do the ruisines?. This was a de
cided innovation, the witness said. But there
wore others.
Q.— Let m* mention another matter, and that l/
the establishment of your own house In New ork.
State If that was an innovation, and one which re
sulted in economy- in the transaction of your busi
ness, as well a* other advantages. A.— lt was
of advantage to us. coming as closely as possible
Into contact with the exporters of oil. making their
acquaintance • . ,
Q.— Acquiring your warehouses? A.— Furthering
i our knowledge In regard "to the markets of the
world. That wan a part of the Study of our New
York house. And tnen, as to the administration
of the warehouses, the same general idea* of econ
omy would be followed In the barrel making and
in other department* w«-re rigidly adhered to, and
It wa« a profitable part of our work. It was r
saving: and a help and a benefit. I aright add. if I
am permitted to do bo (it Is not directly in connec
tion with the wan-housing business), we were con
stantly in need of increasing capital a? our busi
ness developed, and in establishing ourselves and
our credit at New York, we were enabled to se
cure large sums of money at lower rates than we
could secure the same for In the "West.
Q. — You were always Urge borrowers? A. —
From the very beginning, yes. and I am thankful
to say we always had a good credit, for we always
kept "our covenants, paid our paper, and our ability
to eecure euch loans, and through allying; with us
leading capitalist?, was a great advantage to us.
Capital was very valuable to us in all those years.
This getting of money was one of the com
pany's great advantages. Borrowing facilities
with the New York banks were rapidly extend
ed. That was the cheapest money market in the
country. Mr. Rockefeller went back to explain
that his company was enabled to interest
wealthy men when it was organized. These
had followed the progress of the business, and
In addition to Investing they were always ready
to lend. They were StUlman "Witt, Amasa Stone,
and in New York Oliver Jennings and Benja
min Brewster, and in Cleveland T. P. Handy,
then president of one of the banks. The money
borrowed was for the expansion of the business
and it* economical conduct and development.
Mr Rockefeller told of the- regular methods of
shipping the oil to New York for export, arid
then another • economy was introduced. The
company got its own lighters. There were other
economies, tut Mr. Rockefeller could not recall
them all.
No Other refiner? had adopted the economies
practised by the Standard, the witness said; at
least, in the saurty IV*. They had to pay light
e:ug<-. oe^nSttlsaloJH and warehousing expenses.
The break in the great profit*, caused by over
production, came in IS7O.
Recess came at this time, and Mr. Rockefeller,
hands in trousers pockets, began to reminisce.
"This testimony here to-day brings back to
my mind so clearly early days in Cleveland,
where we were all friends and neighbors to
gether," he said. "How well I remember that
day in Cleveland when 1 went into the bank of
T. P. Handy, who' afterward became one of my
dearest friends. 1 wanted to borrow money, but
1 didn't have any collateral, nor any one to in
dorse my note. I told him what I wanted to do
with it. and then he asked me how much 1
wanted, "i need $2,490,' l said, and I got it. To
that loan I attribute whatever' success I have
had in life since."
After the recess Mr. Rockefeller told of the
purchase of competitors in 1571. The Standard
bought Clark, Payne & Co. next to the Standard
In size. The members of the company were
Oliver H. Payne, James EL Clark and John
Huntington. The next concern bought was
Alexander Schofleld & Co. Other refiners .sold
to the Standard at that time— -ii. or eight, the
witness said, all of Cleveland. There might
have be«»n a dozen. Mr. Milburn wanted the
particulars.
How <Jid these negotiations adse? --In the
most natural way. j
Well, to besin with, were you all Cleveland
men? .;A. —We swre-^nejgaboni <acoAnUntaßce«
friend*— having our prosperity there together In the
MisaneßS in the go ( days, and beginning 1 generally
tv recognize the changes that v.._-,-.,. coming an.i ttn
lessening oi the chance 01 good returns *"roir. U;e
rennlnjf ouslnew on account of. the overproduction
of refined oil or of the overproduction of a renn
ery construction. -
Q.- Was it a recognizer] fact at thati lime, be
cause of the con« >: '«_>ii of the business, that all busi
nesses to go on were going to require more and
more capital? A. -\V\-ii. we were very much im
pressed with that, and we were making efforts, as
1 sve already stated, with some of these larger
eapltalUts to Induce them to .-on;'- with us; Jim I
out not tell you that we made utter failure." in re
spect to our solicitations or capital from other an i
very ,ar«.. capitalists, who were afraid ■• tlie risks
of the refining bufcine*e. They had been made ra
miiJar, in th* PTi-iy 60?. with man.v enterprise*,
notably In connection with oil producing, that bad
aroused their !»ars and created srav« apprehen
sions. In tno>;e >eara many schemes, often of v-
liuio value, were floated on perhaps iarse .;apitali"
th,-.on. ana the buyers of those share* at these
prices, which were advanced under the stimulus of
th* incoming of th* production of the oil. lost
rnon»\\ "''« v ■■'• >: "i money and was unwise, enough
to make pw irfise* of those inflated shares had oc
f-aslon to i*grw i • afterward, and we were suffer
ing, as Wi ivem about, from one capitalist to an
other, a.nd . happened to know about it very well.
because, when my brother was working at New
} ork to build up .redit. and, as far as we could to
"crease he chances of our securing additional cap
™J n °iUT-Li UT -L? rx £ i 1 E busin c'" < - ' was visiting such
™2 ,V ;•< !?• , Wad "' * neighbor O! mine, another
aigf- capitalist, and other capitalists there who
}£ ss f tC t? m V' l#rv , md| l ■''■■'■' Politely, but said to me
taf t in tl rheV,'n^'b,^n^ Uld not in-.e ? t an * f ap , i '
ta' ,n bvss.
'•i — Now. those negotiations that you have re
ferred to. and those purchases, what was the
form thai lhey took? Did you buy the prop
erties? a.— We bought the properties. We be
came the owners of the properties.
W-— That is. the Standard Oil Company of Ohio
became tlie ovrner of those properties? " A The
owner of those properties at Cleveland. Ohio.
; Q— How did you pay for them? aa — We paid
for t,i-m In cash, or in the stock of the Standard
<JII company of Ohio, which was increase.! to
enable us to have the additional shares We
gave thm preference to tlie company selling out
the business or plant. They took money or took
tne stock at psr, which v.as its then value.
it was at this point that the question about
coercion was asked. Mr. Rockefeller had con
ducted many of the negotiations himself, and
when Mr. Milburn asked:
"Were th*re any .coercive measures used by
you in making theM purchases?". Mr. Rocke
feller tame back like a flash with:
"None whatever; none whatever."
"They were fair negotiations between parties
representing their own interests?" Mr. Milburn
asked.
"Fair negotiations: and i may say for myself
it i.= the kind of negotiations I have always
made, and no other." came the anßwer with a
/snap.. Mr. Milburn continued:
Q.— What *■'■ you to make this purchase or rour
company? You were president of th tnpai * a
-1 was president or the Standard oil Company of
Ohio. Tne extension of our domestic business
primarily from this point, which would be ,-.-'
fra r d/- ** ' " >OSt favore<J point for domestic
Q.— You say that ww your principal rmssnn" *\
—T " ar-quire these businesses and this trade which
we ourselvts had bee,, conducting since our entry
into the refining business, the local trade the re
tail trade, which we desired very much to extend,
.Q' foil had Esltb In th business, hadn't you"?
Q.— Everybody -lid not share It? A.— Oh in- all
no: by no means. • ' ' '
After Mr. Rockefeller was asked again re
gardi!;g the preference of the sellers, whether
for cash or stock, and he had answered that
"hard cash" was preferred, be tried tri tell of
Sax very d~ar old man who camn to me," when
Si;\V-YOHK DAILY TRTBI XE. THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 1008.
Mr. Mllburn raised bis finger warningly. Th»
witness turned quickly. to the stenographer and
said, sharply. "Cut that otltr Then he apolo
gized to Mr. Ferris, saying he did not intend to
usurp -the functions of the referee. "'■ Then " cam*
the inquiry regarding the South Improvement
Company.
Q.— I suppose you have beard of the South Im
provement Company? A.— l have. - .„,,,
Q.-\Vhat, If anything, had you or your assoc.aje*
in the Standard Oil Company of Ohio to do »'■ i
that in its origin? A.-I think that We took .i
small interest in the shares of that company. \ve
had, 1 might hay. nothing, at least very lUtle or
nothing:, to do with any negotiations p-> \ l *- nl ™£ n Y
n. a , we i refer to Mr. Flakier, my brother WUH
iam and myself— d.id not entertain the views hie
our friends over in Pennsylvania held, who nau
-the charter from Mr. Scott, l think, and who
worked with Mr. Scott along the lines of such an
Idea as that, for the general settlement of M»nw
railroad troubles that were on. . _„„»„
Q.— You referred to the Pennsylvania interests.
What were the leading: interests "there that you
spoke of-the refining, interest!?? A.-Do your* ie
to the gentlemen who bad to do with this negotia-
UO Q.-Y,>s,. A.-I should say W. G. Warden, of
Philadelphia: I should say Mr. Logan, of P«t*;
burg. with Thomas A. Scott. They were hauling
their oil over Mr. Scott's road, and they w-ere th«
gentlemen who had most to do. probably about a.i
to do, with any negotiations respecting that com
pany.
Q.— Now, Mr. Rockefeller, the leading men in the
Standard OH Company of Ohio at this time were
yourself and your brother William, and H. ■
Plagler. were they not? A.— They were.
Q.— Did you or your associates initiate that BOuti
Improvement scheme. A.— We did not.
Q.— Did you have anything to do with the acquir
ing- of the charter that they got? A.— We (lid not.
Q.— Did you negotialo the contract with toe rail
roads? A.— We did not.
The answers, "We did not'" came out with tha
vim of a young man's emphasis. Mr. Rockefel
ler went on to say that refiners in Piusburs
and Philadelphia interested in the Sovtfa Im
provement Company were competitors of his
and that they conferred with him about tin
scheme.
The witness declared that his company held
aloof, that the South Improvement Company
was a scheme which he and his associates did
not care for Mr. Mllburn continued:
Q. — took an interest in the matter? A.— We
took an interest. . ,
Q— Now. why did you take that with the atti
tude that you had toward It? A.— ln order to come
to something like a correct understanding as to how
we would be influenced, it must be remembered
that Thomas A. Scott, the then potent factor in
the Pennsylvania road, was not to be disregarded
by any means by railroads or by ■snippers. Air.
Scott— and I mißbt also say our friends whose
names I have mentioned — were very enthusiastic
about the bringing about of an adjustment of the
divisions in railroad traffic, and that was a scheme
that they were wedded to. We did not wish to
break with those gentlemen. ,We especially did
not wish to break with Mr. Scott; We assented,
not having confidence, and most plainly stated
those things, notably to Mr. Warden.
—Were you at any time, in the very beginning
of it. a controlling interest in the matter? A.— c
were only a minority interest. Mr E agler. Mr.
William Rockefeller and I were subscribers; I do
not remember the amount, but It was, I should
BUrelv say, a decided minority. .
Q:— Well, the Standard Oil interests were in th«
minority, you remember that? A.-I should say so
—Do you recall whether any stock was ever
Issued? A.— l have.no recollection about It I do
not have any Idea »hat I ever saw a share of that
stock. But I could not say positively. .... ..
q —Well the scheme, whatever It was. failed, Mr
Rockefeller? A.— The scheme never went Into
operation. There was never any business done
under the South Improvement Company.
The witness said that no stock was ever is
sued, no money ever paid. That was the result
he and Mr. Flagler and bis brother William
expected. Mr. Rockefeller said:
"We deemed it better not to break with the
powerful Mr. Scott, and not to disregard the
wishes of the large refining Interests there who
were so anxious to bring it about. They be
lieved in it: were wild about it. They believer!
they were going to redeem all the freight traffic
and the producing business and everything else
in connection with the oil business. Our dear
friend. Mr. Walde'n, was very enthusiastic over
the Idea."
Milburn drew Mr. Rockefeller out further
on this lin^:
Q The South Improvement scheme proved very
unpopular, did it not, M.\ Rockefeller? A.— very,
Indeed. „ ,
Q.— ]• aroused great opposition? A— it did; yef=.
"q— And with what result? I' was abandoned'
\ —Oh. it. was abandoned at once: right away. The
exact time of that l could nofstnttj. - • -
Q.— The feeling and opposition to it were on the
part of the oil Interests in Pennsylvania? A.—
Yes. sir. ,
■Q— Anil it grew all at once into a very marked
opposition? ■.. oji. v«*ry pronounced: yes. Ii did
not take our -good friends down there, who pro
duced the oil, very long to rouse themselves on an\
subject. They hoi th. characteristics o f tbe
miners the world over. Thai was the case.
Q._Anl there was a gre;it stir and Hie scheme
was abandoned? A. Oh, yes.
Q.—ln connection with the opposition to it. did
there come Into existence what i- known as a
producers' union? Do you recall that? A.— 1 re
call that there was a producers' union.
Adjournment was then taken until this morn
ing at 10:30 o'clock, although Mr. Rockefeller
was as fresh as if he had not undergone an or
deal of over two hours in a stuffy room. He
wanted the hearing to continue, but was over
ruled. The adjournment was at l L"_' o'clock, and
Mr. Rockefeller went with his counsel to No. 28
Broadway. Throughout the South Improvement
Company testimony Mr. Kellogg wor^ a sar
castic smile He expects to riddle this part of
Mr. Rockefeller's testimony.
it is not believed that Mr. Rockefeller will
leave the witness stand until well into next
week. He has SO far in his direct testimony
given the history of tin- company only: up to
]572. The installation of the pipe lines and
the acquisition of the competitors In other than
the Cleveland field have not been touched upon.
His cross-examination will not be hurried by
Mr. Kellogg, the government counsel, nor will
he hurry when the other witnesses are turned
over to him. They will each be taken over
much of the same ground traversed by Mr.
Rockefeller, and then each will have to submit
to Mr. Kellogg's examination. He will take
longer to finish with each than Mr. Milburn.
for he now has the opportunity to clinch his
case to the full and is riot likely to neglect it.
The new room for the bearings, where Mr.
Rockefeller will go on the stand this morning,
is three times as large as the room used yes
terday, and hence trill not be so trying on wit
ness or counsel. Arrangements were made late
.yesterday for the accommodation of a large
crowd, but an effort will be made to keep mere
spectators away from the tables reserved for
counsel and the reporters.
OHIO OIL SUIT DISMISSED
Standard Subsidiary Agrees to Discontinue
Alleged Illegal Payment of Premiums.
Findlay, Ohio, Mot. la,— The aatf-trusi
jiKßiii!-t tbe Manhattan <>ii Company, a Standard
subsidiary, v.- upon motion ■•;' Prosecutor David
dismissed to-day, defendant -.ii company t . m
..^i- The Manhattan companj aarreea to discon
;:: Be payment of s premium of tiv.- .piit> a barr*l
for ori. which h wa aH iged operatea to crush oul
Indepandant isWnailea. Ii i.« considered to be :i
great victory for the )ndepf>ndtnts.
STANDARD OIL CO. INDICTED IN IOWA.
Rock Rapids, lowa, Nov. IS.— The i-i"n County
Grand Jury Indicted the 'Standard Oil Company of
Indiana to-day for .iii<-^»-d violation of a new Bt^te
statute forbidding corporations '• ■■]•■•:■ different
prices for products at points where freight rates
and other conditions are equal. It is charged that
oil is sold two nta a gallon cheaper at Alton,
where there la an independent oil company, than
.-it Doon, where there is no such competition
RECOVERS $5,000 FROM DOG'S OWNER.
I ru- Telegraph to The Tribune.']
Baltimore, Nov. 11. — Mrs. I.mlnda Austin ob
tained a verdict of $5,000 in th« City Court to
day pjsiast Charles Ra-use for the death from
hydrophobia of her littic daughter Henrietta,
who whs bitten by a dog ned by the ie
fendunt.
Mj-3. Austin testified thai the little girl, who
was bitten several times in t!:e face, and arms
by n Cos terrier "ii May 2S Hist, died at the
City Hospital from the effects of her injuries.
TILES eVMWD IN « TO I* I)4Y8.
r.\<sO OI.NTMK.N'T Is futraii>.,i to cur* any ea««
*t ItChlar, Blind. ' fii'Hlni •or Protruding Pll«» in **
to 14 J«j» or money refunded. 50c.
A DINGLEY AJSOMALY
COMMITTEE PERPLEXED.
"Starch Trust" y Sells Cheaper in
England than at Home.
I From The Tribune Bureau.]
Washington. Nov. 18.— If an American buyer
of starch desires to obtain that commodity at a
lower price than that prevailing in the Amer
ican market, he has only to go to England, pur
chase starch produced and exported from here
and ship it back to the United States, jj By this
course he would save 40 cents on every hundred
pounds and obtain for $2 15 the same amount of
starch for which he would be compelled to pay
$2 65 in this country. In this transaction there
would be Included the payment of 10 cents a
hundred pounds for shipment from Great Britain
to the United States. It perplexed the members
of the Ways and Means Committee for some
time this afternoon, at th* hearing on starch
schedules, and after more than an hour's ques
tioning of witnesses and fruitless discussion, the
reason remained a mystery.
The question came up in the testimony of E.
B. Walden. sales manager of the Corn Products
Reflniiii,' Company, of New York, who began his
statement by saying that one-fourth of the
starch manufactured by his firm was shipped to
Great Britain, where it was sold at a loss of
about 10 cents a hundred pounds. He said the
price of the commodity in this country is $2 85.
while in England the same American starch is
sold for $2 1 5, oven after a freight charge of
10 cents a hundred pounds Ik paid. This state
ment rather startled the committee, and a vol
ley of questions was hurled at Mr. Walden.
which he cleverly evaded.
Representath o« «'lark and Underwood, Demo
cratic members, asked why the goods were sold
at a loss in England when they could be profit
ably disposed of here. Mr. Walden replied that
his company had formerly sold starch at a profit
in that country, and hoped that this condition
would soon recur. This explanation did not seem
.sati«=fai tory to the committee, and several mem
bers pressed the question without result. Mr.
WaMen. while not absolutely refusing to answer
and insisting that he had given a lucid explana
tion, continued his evasive replies until at length
Representative Boutell a6ked why the American
buyers dealt with the Corn Products Company
and not with the English starch dealers. Mr.
Walden made no pretence of answering trm
question.
Something of a sensation was created by Rep
resentative Rontoll's question, and as the heav
ing adjourned shortly afterward, a number of
opinions could be heard as to the probable re
sult A member of the committee =aid that a
probable consequence will be a thorough investi
gation to determine whether the starch is really
sold abroad at a loss and why the American
buyers don't take advantage of the low price in
th» English market. He a!st> said that in his
opinion the Corn Products Refining I'nmpany is
In practical control of the American market and
can force buyers to pay the American price
Representative Boutell said that he would insist
on more specific explanations in the briefs which
will be Qled with tho committee, and it Is prob
able that the revision of tbe starch schedules
will depc::<l largely on th«> r. suit of these rx
planationa.
On" of ttif starch producer! explained the low
price abroad by tho old story of "dumping the
surplus <>n tiie foreigner." but in this instance
the "surplus"' was so large that the committee
appeared to be unsatisfied.
FRUIT GROWERS HEARD.
The committee began its hearings on the
schPdule for agricultural products and pro
visions! The ' California citrus fruit growers
were the first to be heard. B. F. Woodward.
surveyor of customs at San Francisco., who
headed the California delegation, asked for a
higher rate of duty on lemons and hops, and de
sired that the present tariff be maintained on
other' articles of this schedule. A. F. rail, of
Carona, Cal., made similar requests, and gave
the committee much information on the cost and
methods of raising citrus fruit. It is not ex
pected that many changes will be asked on the
articles coming under Schedule <;.
A protective tariff on oranges and lemons was
strongly opposed by F. A. Hamilton, represent
i'.ip: the Italian Chamber of Commerce and the
citrus fruit trade- of New York
Senator Hale does not expect any effort to
change th* tariff law at the short session of
Congress. "Once in a while,*' he said to-day,
"you will hear such a suggestion, but it is clear
ly nut of the question, and it will not bo- under
taken; and,"' be added, "it is safe to say that
there will not be any radical changes when the
much talked of revision is mad". Recent events
have made it certain that there will be no
slaughtering of interests. Necessarily there
will be some alterations, some readjustments,
but no general tearing down and building up.
It is clear that' the country does not expect or
court such a course, and Congress will not enter
upon it."
Mr. IJule has returned to Washington to at
tend the meeting of the monetary commission
next Monday. He said that the commission had
not prosecuted its inquiries so far as to be able
to make any important recommendation at the
forthcoming session of Congress. "Wo learned
a number of in t erf sting- facts during our visit
to Europe last summer, and have done much
work in this country," be said, "but It will nec
esssarily be some time before we shall be in a
position to make any definite suggestions for
the modification of the monetary system of the
United States. It la a big subject and will re
quire careful attention. It Is possible that we
may ask to have some changes made in the law
regulating the Inspection of banks, but If that
is dona it will be merely Incidental."
"To ask us to put aside our business affairs
and. at our own expense, go to Washington on
a desperate mission la asking a little too much,
whether the demand cornea from the committee
or from a President-elect," la the substance of
a letter addressed by Charles Francis Adams to
Representative M.-«'al!. of Massachusetts, and
made public bj the latter to-day in explanation
of the failure of the tariff reformers to present
their case to the Ways and Means Committee.
Mr. Adams declares that the persona who wish
it!. tariff schedules to remain unchanged either
uro "thieves or bogs,* and admits that he be
longs to the first clad?. But he is al^o a tariff
reformer desiring to sen every protective sched
ule swept out of existence. As a mere citizen
be thinks ho w(»uld receive from th»» Ways and
Means Committee scarcely a respectful hearing,
if any at aiL
HEARING ON BLEACHED FLOUR
Millers Say Pure Food Law Threatens to Kill
Their Export Trade.
Washington, Nov. 18.- A .hearing of considerable
importance to the Hour milling interests wag con
ducted at the Agricultural port mom to-day by
the pure food board. Tht point involved is whether
(it not the millers !»h;i!> bo permitted to continue
the bleaching of Hour, which, under a strict Inter
pretation of tbe pure food and di UK act, is unlaw
ful.
The session was enlivened by a statement from A.
1-. Uottnman, ■■I si. I«oul*. secretary of the Na
tlcnal Federation of Millers, thai if any discredit
nas cast on the proc-«s of bleaching pr uUn.s flour.
••*>r we arc forblddso to ccntlnuc It by the edict «>f
this board, you will be guilty of practically killing
the American export -tad*- In flour, taking million*
dl dollars from t}M value of the- wheat crop i,, the
American farmer, aid practically coanaeatlng thou
sands of American Mew mills, valued at many mill
ions of dollaiB."
■ IMPORTANT
ANNOUNCEMENT
>«„ Trustees or IE. M. Gattli «fc Co»
Mr. Jambs G. CaksON, Chaibmas.
DIKECT THE REDDOTIOW. bt mea^s OF
RADICAL PRICK revision
of our present LARGE stock OF jrlnja
JBWJELRY. PEARLS AND PRECIOUS stosmi.
WE shall, accordingly OFFER TO ALL
PURCHASERS, FOR A LIMITED TIME. THE
opportunity TO MAKE SELECTIONS AT vest
LIBERAL DISCOUNTS.
E. M. GATTLE & CO.
OOLD3MITHS and JEWELERS ,
FIFTH avenuid akd THXRTT-EIGBTH strict
. •
.S. Altmatt & (80.
■ •
HAVE INCLUDED IN THEIR SELECTION OF RICH FUR
SKINS. A NUMBER OF VERY FINE SPECIMENS OF
RUSSIAN AND HUDSON BAY SABLE
FROM WHICH SPECIAL DESIGNS IN GARMENTS AND
OTHER ARTICLES WILL BE MADE TO ORDER.
CHOICE SABLE SETS OF MUFF and NECKPIECE
IN THE MOST FASHIONABLE STYLES.
34tfa &tr*tt. 35th £tmt znh sth Atmutr, 2?? m ark.
WOULD STOP BOND SALE.
David Meyer, Who Sought Debt
Limit Decision, Seeks Injunction.
Justice McCall signed an order yesterday on
the application of David M-yer. ■ taxpayer, di
recting Mayor McClellan and Controller Mats to
show cause to-morrow morning before JsMtica]
Seabury why they should not be restrained from
issuing and selling J12.500.000 of 4 per cent stork
and bonds of the city. TIM "ale has been ad
vertised for Monday afternoon
Counsel for Meyer explained that the action
was part of the suit begun by Meyer on July U
to determine whether it was tru» that upon
July 14 the actual debt of the city excf-ed-d 1"
per cent of Urn assessed value of real property,
the constitutional limitation.
Benjamin F. Tfftcy was appointed on AugOSt
17 referee to take testimony, and ffei •ettoa is
still pending. Meyer contends tliat the sale of
stock planned would defeat the purpose of this
action.
In the suit of Jefferson M. T-ievy a temporary
injunction restraining the sale of about $2."O'V
000 worth of corporate stock for subway con
struction was issued, and that case al?o was
submitted to General Tracy.
The borfds advertised by Controller Metz for
sale on Monday are to cover several Items:
17.000,000 for various municipal purposes: $4.
000,000 for the supply of water; $750,000 for the
construction of the rapid transit railroad; $250,
000 for the New York Public Library, and $500,
000 for street improvements.
WRIGHTS CLOSE SHAVE.
Quickness Saves Him When Aero
plane Turns in Air.
T,e Mans. Nov. 18.— Wilbur Wright, the Ameri
can aeroplanist. had a narrow escape to-day
from serious injury in an accident similar to
that which happened to hu brother Orville's
aeroplane at Fort Myer some weeks ago.
The chain attached to one of the propellers
.broke when he was making his second flight, at
a height of about sixty-five feet, this after
noon, end the machine began to turn over.
"Wright, with remarkable presence of mind , re
established the balance of the aeroplane by
leaning to one side, and shut off. the motor, de
scending in safety.
ABLE TO SEE AFTER 36 YEARS.
Michigan Woman, in This City, Now Able to
Go About Alone.
After being: totally blind for thirty-six years.
Miss Alice HolUs. of Xo. 833 9th street, Port Huron.
.Mich., is now able to see well enough to move
about unattended. Some time ago Miss Hollis
contemplated a trip to Europe to have her eyes
treated, but Walter G. Holmes, manager of "The
Matilda Zi«gr!er Magazine for the Blind." tried to
persuade her that she could be treated equally
well at home.
Mips Ilollis came to this city from Port Huron.
but she insisted on going abroad. MM went to
Wiesbaden. where she was ui.der the care of on*
Of the moat famous European specialist!".
.- At Wiesbaden Miss Hclli* underwent a severe
operation, which restored her sight in part. After
the German specialist had Oone all in his power
Miss Hollis returned to America, arriving here a
few days ago. For a while she will stay In this
city, while a local Burgeon continues the treat
ment of the German specialist. Miss Hollis lost
her eight when she was thirteen years old. but,
despite her handicap, she managed to obtain? a
musical and literary education at the Michigan
School for ill*- Blind. While she was abroad she
was received by the (German Empress, who ex
pressed her appreciation of the pluck displayed by
Miss HoilU.
TWO .KILLED ON SIXTH AVENUE "L."
v
Other Workmen, Hurt When Wrecking Train
Derrick Struck Bridge, May Die.
On the May to repair a bfajal at '.'."> th street, a
derrick on a wrecking: train of the Sixth avenue
elevated line struck the overhead bridge at the 32d
street station yesterday mm ulna;, instantly killlnc
two workmen, injuring two other* ••■. badly that
they probably will die and causing a panic in a
Crowded passenger train which It struck.
Tilt- d»ad wcr« Curl K.-iiil. thirty-five sears
' I*- of Xo. iSOO . ond avenue, and Henry Bauman.
thirty-four years *>!•!. of Xo. M Convent avenue.
William CooteUs, of Xo. all K'ast l«6th street, was
struck t... th- .ii!:, beam of the derrick anil suf
fers! compound fractures of th. jaws. Tnornas Wan
In". of No. HI Kant 95th street, was caught be
neath falling wreckage, and his left leg va* almost
torn from his BOdjr, They were taken to Bellevue
Hospital. Nearly a dozen other workman on th«
vrerkins train were slightly Injured.
— — —^ — a
REMOVAL OF DUTY ON HIDES DEMANDED
Boston Nov.lS-A resolution demanding that the
duty on hides be removed was unanltnouslv adopted
at a special meeting of the NVw KngUnd Shoe and
leather ABaoclatlon. held ban to day. Vnother
ro.olution was adopted opposing any further dutiea
m coal lar or it* products.
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Xo "Rousing Reception" on Sunday
for Returning Eleven.
l^y Triovao* to The Tribun*. J
Annapolis, Nov. II — The clergymen •■' tftt»
city have petitioned Captain Charles J. Badger.
U. S. X.. Superintendent of th* Navat Academy,
to prohibit the brigade of midshipmen from gtT-
ing the Navy football team a rousing recep
tion" upon its return from the Army-Navy gao»
in Philadelphia on November "S. They point ottt
that last year the entire brigade marched to t&»
station to meet the team, and by its cheering In
terrupted evening services at the local church«av
It Is said here that as a result of th* petition
the superintendent will permit the eleven to
tttay over in Philadelphia the day after th« gad*
! — Sunday -•• that no services will be tniar
i rupted by cheering upon their return should
! they win. which, of course, they confidently «
j part to do.
The clergymen "als.-> objected to the action °*
j the brigade last year in carrying burning broow*
j in the march to the station as unseemly on ttt»
Sabbath.
SOME BOOKKEEPING.
When you post yoar books do not
charge up as an expense oar bill for
title insurance. Yon will get It all
back some day. It is an asset and
should be added to the value of tns
property. In case of a sale, it will be
worth that much to be protected from
soice sad surprise that may b; sprout
by the attorney for the buyer. It may,
too, be worth many times our fees ■•■»
be ab!e to pass your title in 24 hours.
TiTIE GUARANTEE
AND TRUST C 9
Capital and Surplus, • .12.000.CX*
1 ; • fTwar. N. T. 1 75 tcauca St., I*Jje>
350 rslton St. Jaauicm.