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WOMAN'S VA m ED INTERESTS CHILDREN AND THE WAR i Well, When Your ?Son Asks About the European War. t0 Talk Frankly, Without Bias, and Inspire Him with Distaste for All Military Measures. ciriotja that *e many people ?*ne tase It a? a matter of eourae that children'? questiona abont iiMta and machines ahould be fully lf|r|j ?everthclesa hesitate when it i***' tn children's questiona about I?*, particularly about the pre.- : ?'ssrepesn *???? ? '? M th?U*h W* * 2-Vfelt semewhst ashamed before ! ????di-en that such a stupendous . "Lon could be carried on by (rown ?? like the ostrich of the fable, ^.eatend that there is no auch thing. '???Twe <*-"-ot hide the f*ct from ! " ?lert youngsters. ' ^ Mlfh Shall Thev Be Told? afcxetfle to ask whether children ? " . be told about the war. Unleas , are heal ' v ' ':''y confinem*int , S-teenaUntly getting information ?Jaisiafermation in large instal- , "V Th? important question to ask ?""?nut sha" ' ?v be toia? or' Ho*' ' jlii tfcfv be told? a.?u.t m?^ ???!? ?? minds how w* ?V to have our childrea look upon , *?*- Metal si ?Pon the fa Jprtiealsi war. We must decide | ?ir they ?? to cultivate, through ; M they now learn, a spirit of m.li ?* or , partiaaasaif for ?orth? *? co,lflu ?'- ,s Irutio:. lUrhtiBf to ?hp'an sdmiration for the soldier !iTki?h?tl ero. or is it to v-.ct'on that war is the ? ?mu and rational method for set- ; m*difference? among nations? K il because we fear the narrowing .feit? of sartissuahip and the tokniuliiiig effects of militancy that ?to! of hesitate to encourage our ; taartB-, intere-t in the war. But ? ; ?r reason, are of this kind we ? ^d go a step further. We should, Topiit that a partisan is not a; ?railtp?' - r children ir.for- ! ?jas about the greet strufgle. Nor ! Sta?l? a person the one to explain to tthud what he thinks are the cause? ?f *Js? war. ?? t parent may well take occasion ?o explain that because of birth, or err aiieeistions, or businesa inter ttxn family connections he is very ?nm?j prejudiced oi-e way or the ?ue.j-d that he must therefore re- i tjia'triB ' " -ludK* ! iotif?thers. especially of his chil-. . aw ?? itat* franhly that you are j I anjmSm) .' no easy matter. But M better opportunity to tra.'i ?J* child'- "<*?dinK jiananit. ? ? better illus- j MM.f th<* fart ?hat. our judgrments , ti*?: on.- but badly warped ?.pply the Perapeetire of Hintory. - ????'-, b?? ent? he do?.? not wi?h to warp the . thud, mind, tha should aes. find the aatepporl tody up his his-' tirjmd m rough j ?-it. t?i \ ? nts of the day. ' ?an a ebild ?rnstion ! - ... ?tr ?va li r< of his sesartsan??.'- . If he is . arts of ". ? - ?.?il rnough ?htUupht thai the whole war is but > s langte of atrocities, and from the nature of things can never be anything else. The child with ideals essily hss his sensibilities outraged by the accounts of a treaty violated or of a neutrsl usti?n ruthlessly crushed to clear the way for a more powerful people. And we do well in try;ng to preserve these sensibilities against the hardening in? fluences of the bloody story. But we must go further. It is not enough to arouse the child's resentment against those who commit the xvicked deeds. One does not need to go very far back in the history of our own times, to discover that none of the nations now at war is entirely with clean hands. Nor is it enough to arouse resentment against the outra? geous deeds. If feelings are to be aroused they are to be directed against the whole scheme of life and thought that makes war a possibility. Discourage Martial Spirit. It is not those parents who see in the military virtues the basis of the moral life that hesitate About discuss? ing the war with their children. On the contrary, these take advantage of every detail to impress upon their chil? dren the glories of sacrifice and hard? ship, 01- the nobility of this particular kind of public service. Those xvho hesitate are the very one? xvho fear that too much preoccupation with the xvar and its events will bias the mind of the child toward interest in martial affairs. Thus they lose a great opportunity to instill in them early a determination to use their poxvers to combat war. Thoy lose the opportunity to impress the children with the tremendous destructiveness of war and with the importance of holding it in reserve for the most se? rious tasks of humanity. They lose the opportunity to counteract the mili? tary spirit that is only too ready to break loose on the slightest pretext. Frank Diacuasions Beneficial. New that the interests of so many millions of people are centred about the war, we shall find it easier for children to learn important historical and geographical facts than ever they could under the ordinary conditions supplied by the school or the home. In a few short years our children will be getting this information as school "lessons*' xvith the usual travail and hardship. They will then haxe a real grievance that we did not let them learn what is important in the whole matter while the interest was most alert to assimilate all that came to the m id. Chi' i en can profit from table-talk ?bout the war in the same way as they can profit f'om home discussions about political or religioua subject*. They unconsciously absorb a great deal of information, and learn a great deal about forming judgments. But if the diacussion of the war consiste of an exchange of vituperation, it in, of course, worth no more than a similar discussion of "politics" or religion. In fact, we must discuss with our children every topic of interest to them and of importance to life, f0? TU?, ^ -Tris SEMIFOkMAL OCCASION ARE THESE TWO FROCKS ?Hf u E AT THE LEFT BEING OF CREPE METEOR AND tirir? RQU1SKTTE- AND THK SECOND OF GREEN BROAD ^?H AND SILK PLAID. 01 l.n,Hi GREEK SILK CASHMERE, A FROCK LIKE TBU "it is ADMIRABLE THE ORDINARY NEEDS O* i SCHOOLGIRL. CHEMI? SETTE IND COFFS OF SHEER LAWN, AND THE VEST EFFBOT OUTLINED BY A <;in i:\ 8?LB rr.Atr, VAR?ATE THE COLOR SI /// ME Children's Frocks Little Afternoon Dresses Wool and Silks Generally ?Russian Blouse. VERY smart for semi-formal afti neon wear is the :roik .-ketch on this page. The long waist bodico of dark blue cr?pe meteor, whi is made with a yoke, lias n tooaf (??'<>> pleat over each shoulder. The coll and cuffs are of silk marquisette, li ished xvith self-covered buttons. Thr of shirring form tin- xvaist lir from xvhich hangs a tunic skirt, slashi up the pides and trimmed xvith coven buttons. Tins model comes in ros nary blue and Copenhagen for $lt! 50. Green Broadcloth Guimpe Dress. A smart, one-pieee guimpe dress i green brosdcloth and green .iik phi is sketched here fue separate wai of whits organdie, with five tucks o euch side, is fastened with pearl bu tons, and has embroidered collar an sut!.-. At the neck, a smart bow t blue and green plaid is placed. Th waist section is of dark green broac cloth bound xvith black soutache brai and fastened in front xvith fancy but ton*. The side n!cal.>d kitt il of dar blue and green Bilk plaid, niul a girdl of black satin ties in a sao! in froni Price, SI? 50. Velvet Belted Rassia? I'lssuie. Another excellent dress is ot dar) blue and green plaid in Russian style ?rith flat embroidered collar and cuff; of white organdie. Instead of button ing down the centre front, this mode fastens at the side front with fancj buttons. In the back there is a panel extending a trifle below the hip* trimmed on each side with two cov? ered buttons. A wide velvet belt is placed loxv on the xvaist, finished with a strap of velvet. Price. ?16 00. Long Organdie Vestee. A frock that could be arara either in the morning or afternoon is of figured wool challis. The long waisted model has a yoke trimmed on each fide with four tucks, and has a hemstitched or? gandie collar and long vestee, the latter intending from the neck to the low waist line. On each side of the long vest there are loops and covered but? tons of black satin. The pleated skirt has a full tunic and is finished with a wide' girdle of black velvet. Price. Sit ."?O. Long ?Valeted Figured Crepe. A long waisted model that might be wotn far the afternoon is of figuisd crepe. The waist has a yoke back and front, outlined with hemstitching. The waist is trimmed with a sailor collar and the three-quarter kimono sleeves . have cuffs of dark blue velvet. The [frock is slightly gathered at the waist line beneath a belt of black velvet, from which hangs a tunic skirt. This, frock may be hail in ro;-e, green and Copenhagen.. Price, $10 75. j CONSIDER SCHOOL LUNCHEONS Wholesome Foods Should Be Selected with Care for Nu? tritive Proportions, for Stimulating Variety and for the Value of /Esthetic Satisfaction. 4 il1' '-'**-' c0u,d '?-'? the ***n<1 ? J luncheons that little childre bring to echool," ?aid a teach? recently, "one would not wonder tha they And the lessons too difficult." There are three requisites to a per feet luncheon for children: Firs?, whole some food second, a variety, to quick??: their appetites, and, third, a temptln manner ol serving it. And besides these essentials ther are several little things of value in th "getting up" of a child'? luncheon, ai important factor in the building up o the robust adult. A? to the First Requisite. N'eedless to ?ay that the child'i meal should he perfectly balanced ai to food val?en. And there should als? be something hot. There are still many schools that di not possesi a lunchroom, In which cas? the children should be sent horn", or. cept in damp or very cold weather ; Brea When the school provides lunch 1 eon it is rometimes better for the chil dren to dine at home, for tTie bie.nltl I of outside air en their trips to anc ' from their homes does them good. Clean, ?H holeiome Fruits. i It is usually conceded that fruit oi ' sane kind should fir.! I corner foi itself in the child's luncheon bo\. Ir providing fruit, care should he taker that it is neither under ripe nor ovet ripe. Remember also that evil germs fre? quently find a resting place on its surface. Fnless the fruit has been taken straight from an orchard, it should be sterilized before putting it into the luncheon box. Most fruits can he dipped into boiling water and quickly lifted out without their pulp being in any way affected. Most of the fruit sold here has been brought from a distance and has boen exposed to flying dust on its journey to New "York. In autumn particularly, when so much fruit is eaten, this ad? vice is worth hecdin(f. The words "nutriment" and "whole? some" mean little or nothing to a child. He r.sver reasons as a grown person doer, "I must cat that because it'? notir shing." No, he reasons rather: '?Thai-'s what 1 like; I'll eat it." "That looks good; I'll try it." The point therefore, is to give nourishing food that the child likes if one would have him perfectly nourished. Tempters in the l.unch Bas. The child not only likes vari?t] that variety must be ?-tractive to loik at. Many mothers is their de provide their little folk with nourish? ing food overlook this question. There are two ren?ons why s child should have food that is tempt Mg to look at. The lirst is because he is more likely to eat it ami ent it ?rttfa reli;?h. The second is because he is an enviout and x-ery sensitive little being. Rnjoyment Aids Digestion. Children enjoy esting in groups slid compsring their luncheons, often shar? ing special tidbits end goodies with one another. If one of them lias a luncheon lets attractive to look at than the othera the fun, as far as he is concerned, of the little gathering is spoiled, and with thosu little pangs of mortification and envy he it not aB likely to masticate hit food ai easily and consequently digest it at well ss he otherwise would. The Pretty Goodies' Value. This 1-jticheon may be superior to the others in nutriment, but what does he know of nutriment? And what child, with the soul of a child, xvanta to eat plain meat sandwiches when hi? little neighbors around him are dining on animal cookies and gorgeous pink frost? ing? ? lie knows ton ?rail that tho*e ?mall neighbors are in their hearts either pitying or de pising him because he has no decorated take.? like thejrs. The BO-ealled "seasibie mother"?the one who is v, las enough te provide cua taiii and sandwiches instead of lolly pops is likely to go to an extreme that may be almost as bad for the child. She has little sympathy with her child in his desire for pink goodies. She i? likely to answer his complaints bv saying that they are "not good for him," that he "mustn't be so silly," that the luncheon she provides is more wholesome than his chum's and so forth and so on. Common and I'mommon Sense. 0 This "sensible mother" forgets a sci? entific fact-- that when her child has a luncheon that will prompt him to laugh with pride and delight he will, because of his complete satisfaction, masticate it properly, as he should, and thst his appetite, made ravenous by an appeal ' to the eye, prompts the gastric juice to flow into the stomach more readily and that thus he derives more real benefit from the luncheon than he would were his spirit lesa elatpd. Medical experi ? ments on dogs have proved this fact ? , that an appeal to the eye and delight in eating ?fleet tne gMtric juice at-crc Uoas. snl ?side, the point is how best to nourish that growing body. And nothing sheuld be doSM to hinder in the smallest degree the proper ab? sorption of the food by the body or ciecrea?e in the smallest degree the amount of nutritious food necessary to make him in tinw a robuat adult. The foods In the school lunch backet must be wholesome 1 thete mu?t be variety to make the child eat, and that xariety must appeal to the eye so that , he will enjoy what he eat?. Decorations for the Halloween Party. .4 PRAXCIXO ROW OF CATS TO PROMOTE JOLLITY AT A ClJILUKEV? UALLOWE'EX PARTY. AS HALLOWEEN falls on Satu day this year, it affords a aplei did opportunity for a children party. This can be held any tim during the afternoon, as by excludin daylight from the rooms the decora tions can be shown as effectively | though the party were an evening on? Care must be taken to avoid referenci to anything that is weird or unnatural and delightful paper cats should tak< the place of witches or bogies. A pro cession of black cats, prsncing aloni on their hind legs snd balancing pump kin lantern? over their shoulders makes one of the most amusing ol table decorations, the cats forming i ring around a .centrepiece of fruit flowers or autumn lesves. *. Bewitching Cat Ring. Bj, purchs'ing decorated crepe pup*! of the desired design, mounting the 1 black eats in pairs, with a stiffer paper between, turning their feet out and pasting them to a circular foundation, , the entire ring of prancing cats can I be easily arranged. The pasteboard | ring on which the este stand should I be cox-ered with fringed green paper ? to represent turf. The lanterns swung j over the shoulders are n part of the same design and inlrod'ice a .cheerful pumpkin yellow. Plain black candlesti* ks can be quite traasfarned for the occasion by hav? ing the tallest of the blaek paper cats f:> tened one at e.',?h .-.ide. almost con? cealing the gin.-?' holder The candles should be yellow and without shade?, ' thus avoiding any chance of accident ' at the children's party. A?, each placo put a .-quare of milk chocolate, with yellow crepe paper wrapper over the tinfoil and a black velvet cat with arched back standing on each. The j little animal is tied to the foundation '. with narrow yellow ribbon, tied in a many looped bow at its neck. The Ne?e?t "Donkey Psrt>." Before the refreshments rre tie children can be amused by being blindfolded, fiver, a bow of yellow rib i bon and told to pin it at the neck of an immense black flannel cat, sewed to a i white aheet. The appecrance of the ; cat, after each child has had ita turn | in placing the bow, will be most nn.us Jing. A prir? goes to ?he ehild who | come? nearest to pinning the bow in the right place. A Brilliant Dancing Cat. i An amusing toy, sure to interest the children, il a blacl; wooden cat danc? ing on his hind le..-. He i? mounted on a box which contains g small elec- i trio batteiy. i>nd, b] pie sing a button, j tiny electric light- gleam in the cat's green glass eye?. This toy is to be had in several different n'xr.ts and with the cat in vsrious absurd notes. A comical, noise-making favor is in the form of a flat black velvet cat's , head, under which is concealed an ar? rangement which produces a prolonged "mieow" when the cat's head is pressed. ! The eyes are made of bits of green satin, sewed on with s black bead, and a few white hairs are attached icr whiskers. This is a favor xvhich s child can carry home as a souvenir. The refreshments should be so simple that not even the most careful parent could object. Bouillon. Creamed chicken. Potato ?ou.rl?. ? Ssndxviches. Vanilla ice cream. Sponge drops. Sweet chocolate in fancy forms. JAMMKii lint?** ParValan Notflty Stvip? SlralU DSaraorxl?. P?rle? Elartr*. ?teli Monnsln? J??tlrr. I'arftiDwrl?. Emulai?. ?4*ch?U Canas*. Nachts Ha?*. Fur*-?., Toll?* XV?*m. 313 BBS A" . MSS 4Vh. , ? - - .. MISS WILSON A PATRONESS. President's Daughter to Head List for "Pandora's Box,** Vacation Committee Performance?Miss Belknap ,t? To Be Married to Paul Townsend Jones, ^S Miss Elizabeth Belknap, daughter c Mra. Rob?rt Lenox Belknap. of 3 We? ?th at, will be married to Paul Town send Jones, a son of the late Dr. > Beach Jone?, to-day at the home of th bride'? brother, Waldron Phoenix Bid knap, 11? K?st 80th at. Mis? Seren Deas Murphy, daughter ot Or. an Mr?. Deas Murphy and a niece of th hride, will bo the only attendant Leonard C. Jones will be bis brother' heat. man. Miss Kelknap is a grand daughter of the late Henry Rutger Belknap and a sister of Maitland Bel knap. Miss Margaret Wilson, daughter o President Wilaon. will head the list o patronesses for the performances o: "Pandora's Box" at the Seventh Reg*' ment Armory on December 4 and 5 under the anapiceu of the Vncatior Committee. Among the other patron osses are Mrs. Thomas R. Marshall Mrs. William (1. McAdoo, Mrs. B. RoL lins Morse, Mrs. Pembroke Jones, Mrs Whitelaw Raid, Mrs. Ogden Milla Reit! and Mrs. John G. Ilolme?. Mr. and Mrs. Colgate Hoyt arrived iu town yeaasrtiay from their country place at Oyster Hay. L"ng (?land, ano i'.re st the Gotham. Mr. and Mrs. Robert (iravea will leave ?qe Plaxa to-day for White Sul phuv Springs, W. Va., where they will ?pend the lemainder of the autumn a' the Greenbrier. Mr. and Mr*. Albert J. Vk;u motored into the city yesterday from Home wood, their country place at Hewlett, fjong Island, and will spend the week end at the ?Gotham. . . ? Profesor and Mrs. Heiuy Fair:i<;ld Oaborn will give a reception on Satur? day afternoon, October 26, at Castle Rock, their estate at Garrison, N. Y., I for their son and daughter-in-lan, Mr. j and Mrs. H. Fairfield Osborn, jr. Mrs. ' Osborn. jr., was Miss Marjorie M. La ; mond before her marriage, which took place ?n London on September 8. The marriage of Mis? Msrgu*r.;e Stockton Lc Hretott to Ralph Stuart Rsinaford, of this city, will take place ? on November 9 at the home of the ! bride'? brother, Lleuts-nant David Mer. Dougsl Le Breton, U. S. N.. In Wssh i ington, D. 0. 1 For the benefit of the destitute Bel? gian? an entertainment will be gives*. at the country home of Mra. William R. Grace, at Great Neck, Long Island, '. on October 31. Mr. and Mrs. Charles Scribner will return to the city from Morristown, N. J., lata In November. Mr. and Mis. Francis L. Hins sr , rived In ?own yesterday from their* country place at Glen Cove. Long Isl? and, and are at the Plazo. i - .Mr. and Mrs. Frank 1., Polk, wh?l \ spent the summer and early fall ?? ' Lawrence. Long Island, will open their : taDtm house, 130 Fest 36th st., on Oc? tober M. Mr. and Mr?. Amos K. K. Ptnchot, who have runted their house, 1021 Pari: av., to Vincent Astor, will be as ?M Park av. for the winter. Sir Arthur and Lady Herbert, Mr. and Mrs. Oliver de Gray Vanderbflt. Mr. and Mrs. Clarence W. Eowen and Mr. end Mrs. Clans A. Spreekel? wert* among those who entertained at din? ner last night at the Plaza. Mr. and Mrs Sherwood Aldrich left the city ye.tterdsy for White Sulphu? Springs, W. Va. Miss Avis Fitch to Wed. A romance that began while they were studying at Fwarthniore College ; will culminate on November 14, when Mis? Avis Loraine Fitch, daughter of Matristrate and Mr?. Joseph Fitch, of , The Terrace. Flubbing, Long Island, will be rasaricd to Raymond Clark? Storb, son of Mr. end Mrs. Horace Storb, of Pottstown, Penn. The we? d?n?* will take place at ?St. George's Protestant Episcopal Church, Fl nah ins;. The bride ?rill be sttendod by I.er | sister. Mi?s Dorothea Fitch, as maid of ' honor, and there will be eight brides? maid?. Claude Francis Gilchrist, of Philadelphia, will be best man. ?.Ir. Storb s secretary and treasurer of the Store Crashed Stone Company, of Pol i ?town, Penn. Miss Letchford to Wed. Morristown, X. J., Oct. 22. Invita - ?ions have been issued by Mr. and Mrs. William Clark Letchford for the wed? ding of their daughter. Miss Sarah Augusta Letchford, uml Endicott Fiskc, of New York, at the home of the bride'-: parents on November IT. Mis? I Letchford will be attended by her sis? ter. Miss Marie B. Letchford. A recep? tion Will follow the ceremony, to which ! a large number of guests from New York und Morrisfown have been in? vited. At Newport. , B] ? alaaraoti to Newport, Oct 22.-Two cottage rental:! for next summer were an? nounced here to-day, Mr. and Mrs. F. LatJatap Ame?, of North Bastea. Ma?*, taking New I.odge, the Thorn.? r Cush Bf estiit" on lo\?.>r Bellova? av., und .'-i . !.. Johnson re?' her laase <<r Edward J. Berwiad' Stockton Collage, Bellevuc av. and Believuo Court. Mr. and Mrs. Ames have already closed theit seaeoa, but Miss Johaaon is still her? and will re? main for sosas time. Alms IHaada G. Shepherd, of N si York, lias linished hi I Mrs. VsaderhiH at The I'reakers. Mrs. Fredorie Bronsoi York, i?- at pi ...?;?.? Mrs. Vandorhilt't guest. Mr. and Mrs. Edward ?'. Borw closing their season te Mrs. Paul A. Andrews returned to York to-day after a visit to Mr?. Frank W. Andrews, who closed her session during the day and went to Boaton before return i nflr to her win? ter home in Washington. Miss Martha C. Codman gave a luncheon to-day at her Bellevue at. home. Misa Katherine Knight and Lieu? tenant and Mrs. William S. Pye are giving dinners at the Naval Training Station on Saturday evening. Mr?. Reginald C. Venderbllt will not close her season until the second w?*?k of November. Yrs. Frederick Neilaon lesvet her? for Hot Springs nest week. Robert G. Hone has gone to New York for tho winter. Mrs. William H. Everett is returning to Washington for the winter in a f?w days. Lenox Flower Show By Telesmpli '.o TTi* Trtl'iin* ] Lenox, Oct. 22. Mr. and Mr?. Will? iam Douglas Sloane xvon the chief award in the Lenox floxver show, whtcb opened this afternoon with a displat of miscellaneous plant? arranged for i ;Te,-t. The prize ?vas s silver cup. Ii xva? the seventh time in succession that Mr. and Mrs. Sloane have taken this swart! Mrs. William F. S. Griswold won th* < first award for orchid groups, showing ; her Cattleya Liabita and Cypripedium? with a setting of ferns. With this? award xvent the silver cup offered by tiirnud Foster. Arthur N. Cooley, of Pittsfteld. wa? , second, and Mn. William D. Sloans ! third in the orchid competition. Mrs. Giraud Foster won the fin' a card for table of orchids, and Charle* Lanier -as second. Mrs. Foster also ne cup ??Ti IS Chrysan th?mtU9 Sedet*f ?f An erica for the best txventv-fnur fen blooms The award for t'.ie best r?vr- 'y-four blooms of chrysanthemums wbb also won by Mrs. Foster. In the rose division Mrs. Foster won 1 the first pu?? lor the best vase of fiftj/i roses In variety; Mrs. Willlsm T). I second. !!. S Griswold wa? s big win? ner of rwariis In the clusjos of single BBthsmuais, ?xfaawiag m new vs rieti' tad la Leno*. ? i:ng the Daily Mail, xvhich won London Mail's" pri/? of il.noj ! last autumn. i Cl:.NTEJ4EM?neih\n*: but glevri tints }9tC. Ferte-feur eeurt ej (enttarnt ieefrevsmtnt. Centemeri Gloves For Country Club - Men and Women. Exclusive styles. Superior quality.'! Wide range of colors and sizes. VVaaha.bl.a Doeskin - 1.50 Florin? Quality Frennch Kid ..?i 1.845 English Walking ?Cat?? ! 1.60 Superior Grey Mocha ? 2.00 "The Fielder'? - 2.50 a Pair A new Sacque wrist gauntlet, \vitii slightly flared cuff made of i* contrasting colors. Front gore in cuff dosed bv unique strap fastener. Serviceable weight French Kid, designed especially for the spectator at sporting even's. P..Centemeri & Co. mW 2?6 KfUi Atmiio PhU?iJ?lph'?.8t.Lo_U OB?DoorB?;ow3l?t.Streot Our factorr Saa Pr?Bcl?ct> SoUtn. Mott Tken.WOCitteieed Ttm*i Uroaobie, Praac?