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Only Three Major Football Teams in the
Eastern Sector Have Escaped Defeat
Possessors of Clean Slates
Among Mighty to Fall Are Pittsburgh, Syracuse, W.
and J., Penn State, Penn (Twice), West Virginia
(Twice), Princeton (Twice), Yale, Army,
Navy, Brown, Cornell and Lehigh
By Grant land Rice
We ask you as man to man?o r man to woman?what are you
going to do with football dope like this:
Pittsburgh beats West Virgini o 26 to 0.
West Virginia beats Princeton 25 to 0.
Princeton ties Harvard?10 to 10.
Or even this:
Syracuse beats Pittsburgh by more than 20 pointy.
W. and J. beats Syracuse by 14 points.
Pittsburgh beats W. and J. 7 to 0.
And after Weit Virginia had beaten Princeton 25 to 0 with what
Walter Camp considered the most rugged and versatile attack he had
seen all year, along comes Center C ollege, of Kentucky, and crowns
West Virginia with a cold brick.
As a result of Saturday's football
output there are now but three major
elevens still unbeaten in the Eastern
sector. These are Colgate, Dartmouth
and Harvard. Amon~ 'he mighty who
have fallen are Pittsburgh. Syracuse,
Washington and Jefferson, Penn State,
Pennsylvania (twice), West Virginia
(twice), Princeton (twice), J'aie, West
Point, the Navy, Brown, Cornell and
Lehigh. No eleven, playing a stand?
ard schedule, has won every game.
Colgate, Dartmouth and Harvard have
all been held to tie scores., And so
from week to week the complications
The Harvard-Princeton game was no
great upsat, for the Ti^er was figured
to give Hnrvard a rugged fig'^t. The
dope wa jolted a trifle, but it was
hsrJly knocked out c' shape. Two
hours be'ore thegamc"Tack" Hardwick,
the star Hr.rvard end, of a few years
ago. told us that 1*e figured Harvard
only an ever, char.ce to win.
By the comparativo score route,
Wash'n-rton ami Jefferson was 35
po-iits- i etter than Pitts'> r<-**h, yet
Pittsburgh finished in front by an eye?
lash. No one picked Georgetown to
beat e Navy. And Weit Virginia's
defeai by Center was an overthrow
that ?? s oc ited the done in a vital spot.
The Dartmouth-Penn match ran tru?
to Fi rm, in that it was fi<;"red a nip
and t ..*' ni?air with the offense pre
Chic igo ivns evpneted to beat Michi- '
gan and Notre Dame was given a good
chance to beat West Point.
P-'re-" . ). had held one s*ar out of
the Colgat _ame and five stars out of '
t?*i West Yir-j'nia i-ame-? or five of
h' es -in order to be properly (
p: 1 and noi ed for Harvard. She i
wa if you don't believe it, ask Har?
Princeton's 80-yard hike in that
???rat quarter was t'e finost Tiger of
fein'se that we have ever seen at Nas?
sau against a b'g eleven. It was a far
better olrans? 'hr.n the Ti-jcr carried
In 1911, wKn Harvard was beaten. For
Har- a d wa beaten then by a one-man
piny, whereas on Saturday Princeton
nr??'. an eleven-man machine to carry
tl rou_-h,the bewi'der*?d Crim
fi -.e that was broken and
sc by a versatile attack, whic'
for ssed when the Harvard line
bet r ;'? c! and which rusved the ?
ha ? the Harvard defense drifted
bac' n t the passing game.
PrAe o* howed the effect?? of fine
coaching* and fine spirit. Her weak
nes at the ftnV* was due in some
maasure to a physical let down that
found several of er best people unable
to withstand the pace.
Harvard played a Doctor Jekyl and
Mr. Hyde game in her season's first
hard test. To begin with. Harvard
lad waited too loner to meet a rugged
opponent. November 8 is no time for
an eleven to be facing its first rugged
opponent. Through the first half Har?
vard looked to b^ lumbering and slow,
an eleven that apparently had never
heard of the forward passing game or
The speed, power and versatility of
the Tiger attack sent her giants
sprawling and floundering. It was
?omething new to bo struck in this
But in the last period Harvard
looked to be a strong, modern ma?
chine, with an attack built around
Eddie Casey. You would never have
known that the Harvard eleven of the
first two periods and the last period
were about one and the same.
Princeton vs. Yale
It is a matter of doubt whether
Princeton can come back sufficiently.
to play this same type of game against
Yale at New Haven this week. The
Tiger took a heavy battering. Strub
ing, Trimble and Garrity were all in
and out before the finish. The Yale
game will make Princeton's fourth
hard struggle in succession, and Yale
is pretty sure to have the better of
the physical conditions side of the de?
bate. If Princeton reaches New
Haven in first class physical shape she
has an even chance to win.
Dartmouth deserves rare praise for
her game battle against Penn. Dart?
mouth, like Princeton, had known no
rest for many weeks. She lost one of
her main stars, Robertson, at a vital
point of the conflict. But she man?
aged to win and so maintain her un?
In the meanwhile, Colgate faces her
last decisive test when she tackles
Syracuse, a powerful eleven that has
been pointing for this game. If Col?
gate can slip by this battle her place
will be high in the football realm.
Colgate's record so far is much better
than that of Harvards, for she has
beaten better teams than the Crimson
has stopped. And Colgate beat the
team that held Harvard to a draw.
Beating Syracuse may be another
Queen's Rangers Lose
Pitted against the Queen's Rangers
in the Metropolitan League series at
Astoria yesterday, the Astoria Football
Club came off victorious by the score
of 4 goals to 2. Kay, by an individual
effort, scored first for the home team
and Purely equalized early in the game.
At half time the ?score was 1 to 1.
Allen, of Astoria, scored from a penalty
and Frost shot two more goals. Purdy
scored again for the Rangers in the
Proapeet Eleven Wins
After leading by 1 to 0 in the first
half, the Visitation soccer eleven of
Brooklyn succumbed to the team of the
Prospect Football Club by 2 goals to 1
in the Metropolitan League match at
the Parade Grounds, in Brooklyn, yes?
terday. Maioney was first to score in
behalf of the Visitations. Roden and
Wilson clinched lb? victory for the
Ohio State Still
Undefeated in Race
For Western Title
CHICAGO, Nov. P.?The undefeated
Ohio State eleven, with the scalps of
Michigan and Purdue dangling from its
belt, to-night is ? notch nearer the
"Big Ten" football championship, with
Illinois trailing in second place and
Chicago pulling up in third. Wiscon?
sin and Iowa, with two victories out of
three games to their credit, are tied
for fourth place. Illinois has won
four of its five games, while Chicago
has won three out of four.
Victorious over Purdue in a 20 to 0
-ame yesterday, the speedy Ohioans
will free their cr'cial battles of the
?;i*i>*-ri*-*iirship drive next Saturday, and
a week later meeting Wisconsin and
Illinois, respectively. The Ohioans
were given n real scare by Purdue Sat?
urday and only the prowess of Captain
"Chick" Harley enabled them to romp
??way with the game.
Harley had been kept on the side
lines to avoid a possible injury which
might keep him out of the Wisconsin
g me. but was called into the contest
at the start of the second period to
pave the way for victory.
While yesterday's games were with?
out startling upsets, the 10 to 6 victory
of Illinois over Minnesota was regarded
as a surprise. Beaten in three periods
of the game Illinois staged a fighting
rilly in the fourth, and two brothers?
Robert and Rilph Fletcher-were the
heroes in the Illinois triumph.
Ralph Fletcher was ca)led into the
game as a substitute and made a beau?
tiful field goal from the 34-yard line
that gave Illinois the victory. H?3
brother had previously crashed through
the Minnesota line for a touchdown.
Chicago's 13 to 0 triumph over Mich?
igan in the renewal of traditional grid?
iron rivalry between these historic
foes was gainad through the ability of
the Maroons to use successfully the
forward pass. The smoothly working
Iowa eleven gave Northwestern its
fourth straight defeat, winning 14 to 7.
The Hawkeyes clash with Chicago next
Saturday in the first game between
Iowa and the Maroons for several
years. Iowa is rated to have one of
the best elevens developed in recent
years, having beaten Minnesota and
Football throughout the West con?
ference reports indicate is enjoying a
remarkable comeback, both financially
and in playing quality, from the war?
time setback given the game a year
Fumbling by Yale
In Saturday's Game
NEW HAVEN, Nov. 9.?No Yale I
players were badly hurt in yesterday ? i
game with Brown, and it has beer, j
learned the injury to Kempton, quarter?
back, which took him off the field dur?
ing the first five minutes of play,
was merely nominal. His shoulder was ?
??lightly wrenched, but a brace whicn I
he was wearing had slipped out of;
place, and upon its being readjusted he '
was able to return to the line-up. The
coaches said to-day that Parker vl ??,
right end, would return to his position
in time to play in the Princeton game
Barclay Robinson, who succeeded Al- ;
len yesterday, followed the ball brii- ;
liantly and recovered one fuir.ble. He j
also displayed a remarkable down-the
field (?ame. He will be Yale's first
substitute end, having displaced both
Fred Graham, and Ed Welles.
Jim Braden has Ijeen reinstated as
first-string fullback. His all-round i
playing against Brown was the most
consistent he has ever shown. Howard j
Campbel outplayed Fred Webb, whom hr? j
succeeded, yesterday, and is favored in j
some quarters to start next Saturday's ;
against the Tigers. -*
The coaches were pleased with the
general showing of the eleven, although
. they regard the fumbling habit as too j
pronounced, and will work especially
for its elimination the coming week. ?
They were keenly disappointed at the
breaking down of Yale's drop-kicking
game. Out of four attempts Jim Bra- :
den failed to register a single score.
Dr. Billy Bull will give special atten
tion this week to Braden, Neville,
French and Kempton, who are all rated
as clever toe artiets.
It was learned to-day that Thome
Murphy will be unable to play against
Princeton, but the coaches still hope
that he can be used for a drop-kicking
imergency against Harvard.
New York Soccer Men
Defeat Bridgeport Club
, Outplayed at all points of the game,
the New York soccor team eliminated
the Bridgeport City F. C. from the
American Cup competition by 5 to 0
in their second round tie at Lenox
Oval yesterdav. The visitors came
with a big reputation and the large
crowd was keenly disappointed at their
New Tork (6) Pop. Brldgep't City (0)
Matthew?.R. H. B.Stan-font
Hell.C. H. B.Carr
Duffy.L. H. B.Du vis
Keferee ? T. Flndlny. Linesmen ? W.
GlifUlun (New York) and J. Sullivan
(Bridgeport City). Ovals?-For New York.
Bleich m. Hwccneiy (?) arHt?*B*-" "?or.
When a Feller Needs a Friend - - By briggs
, (Coprricht, 191?. Now Tork Tribuna Inc.!
Heard on College Gridirons
By Ray McCarthy
Probably not in years has the re?
sult of a football contest entailed such
lengthy discussion as that of the
Partmouth-Penn game on the Polo
Grounds Saturday. Three football fans,
one a Darmouth alumus, consumed the
whole of yesterday afternoon arguing
*.he merits of the two teams. It is
doubtful if anybody's opinion had
been changed when the debate ended,
but it must be granted that the Han?
overian made a big play with his,
"Well, the Dartmouth team came from
behind to win out, did. it not? And
the final score read: Dartmouth 20,
Penn 19, did it not?" These are facts
not easily dodged.
Whatever else may be said of the
play of the New Hampshire students, it
cannot be said they lack that wonder?
ful asset of fighting spirit. Three times
this season has the Green come from
behind, twice to win their game and
once to tie, and this, too, against three
oi the best teams in the country. Any?
body who has thought about these
facts must admit that these final spurts
of the Dartmouth eleven are remark
A football fiend just returned from
the Harvard-Princeton tussle was doing
the talking. "Well," he exclaimed, "I
know I'm going to string along with
Harvard in that Yale-Harvard game.
If they can stop this fellow Casey
they are welcome to my money."
Experts are of the opinion that after
his performance Saturday Strubing, of
Princeton, will merit consideration on
the Ail-American honors. One man
said the Tiger pilot ran the team with
rare judgment and that his running
with the ball was as good as the best,
as was his defensive work.
Those who saw the Army play a
month ?go and then saw the cadets in
action Saturday must have appreciated
the improvement the coaches have
wrought in this outfit. The soldiers
have come a long way within the past
four weeks and now possess a regular
mule kick in their offense as well as
superb defense. And to top off their
play, these embryo officers are a bunch
of fighting fools. If the Navy beats
them it certainly will never lick them.
Figuring prominently in this newly
eonstructed uttack of the West Point?
ers are Lysstadt, a slightly built chap,
and Schabacker, who somewhat re?
sembles Oliphant, and who is never
laid low until he is knocked down.
Schabacker charges into a line like a
bull. Lystadt gallops along with knees
high, gathering momentum with every
Notre Dame is one of the speediest
teams seen in these parts this year.
And the big reason for its swift attack
is the fact that it uses the direct pass
in most of its formations. Brandy
hardly utters his signals than the
backs are in motion. Which means
that Madigan, the center, must be
pretty good to muke as many passes as
he does in a game without a slip.
There are several exceptionally good
forward pass receivers among the col?
leges this fall, but it is doubtful if any
surpass Kirk, left end of Notre Dame,
for catching passeB. He caught no less
than five against the Army Saturday,
all netting substantial gains.
One of his catches brought the ball
thirty-three yards to the Army's 7-yard
line, whence the Westerners went over
for their first touchdown. The passes
of the Hoosiers succeed largely be?
cause they are thrown over the center
of the line to Kirk or a back who cuts
in. Another runners goes ahead and
picks out the defensive back, leaving
ter lane. A most clever play, on the
whole, which succeeds in the majority
As stated earlier in the week, W. and
J.'s chances of b-ating Pitt rested in
whether or not Henry, its star tackle,
wou d play. Henry was not allowed to
participate and W. and J. did not win.
The note in reference to this con?
troversy last week brought a letter
from a former student o? Washington
and Jefferson. He asserts that Henry
was forced to drop out of college in
his freshman year because of illness,
and that last year the S. A. T. C. team
should be thrown out of the records, as
most of the Eastern colleges had done.
Pitt, however, declared it would not
play if Henry was used, so W. and J.
acceded and Henry was barred.
One of the colleges which remains
undefeated to date in the New Hamp?
shire State eleven, which is cleaning
up all the little fellows this year. Sat?
urday it trounced' Worcester Tech by a
53 to 0 score. It has beaten Vermont
and Norwich, and next week it will
tackle the University of Maine. Maine
won the state championship by beating
Bowdoin Saturday, and if New Hamp?
shire trims this team it may challenge
Dartmouth for a game to decide the
It is just the marjy upsets that are
happening right along that make foot?
ball such a wonderful game. Consider
the defeat of Wesleyan by Amherst, at
Amherst, last Saturday, one of the
day's biggest reversals. Williams had
given Columbia a trouncing. Colum?
bia in turn beat the Amherst eleven;
then Williams succumbed to Wesleyan
by a score of 16 to 0. On Saturday
\\ esleyan journeyed to Amherst with
an unbroken string of victories for
the season, its goal line, in fact, yet
to be crossed.
But there was the thought that Wes?
leyan hadn't won a game from Am?
herst on Pratt Field in sixteen years.
And the old hoodoo still maintains
his deadly clutch. Amherst astounded
some 3,000 spectators and completely
annihilated Old Man Dope by defeat?
ing the Middletown eleven 9 to 7.
When the result of the Center-West
Virginia game came over the wire Sat?
urday night a football fanatic ex?
claimed: "I tell you there is no such
thing as football dope. Each game in
itself is a different proposition from
the others which cannot be fathomed
by past results." Appears as though
there's something to this.
Among the results of football games
Saturday, the victory of Tufts over the
University of Detroit by 7 to 3
s ouldn't be overlooked. Just the pre?
vious week Detroit had beaten George?
town, which team in turn beat tho
Navy. Detroit hadn't lost a game until
it met Tufts, which fuced the West?
erners after a long journey. The Med
ford student3 won out in the final
period on a p?^-i'ectly executed for?
ward pass. Incidentally the Detroit
team is largely composed of players
who hail from Massachusetts and who
were stars on Bay State prep ?school
teams last year.
Lord Glenelgrs Horses
tfave Won $125,197
Hor.eracing in England has enjoyed
a wonderful revival this season, large
crowds patronizing all the cur; s
throughout the country. Lord Glenelg
still leads in the list of winning own?
ers, so far having won in st_k?>s t' e
large sum of $126,197. His chief win?
ners are the Derby sensation, Grand
Parade; Dominion. Bright Folly, Scat
well, Skyrocket and Lady Juliet.
Lord Derby comes next, with $101,
052. Steve D?noghue, with 114 races
won, leads in the jockey champion?
ship, and is certain to win the honor
Of Scratch Prize
In N. Y. A. C. Shoot
E. B. Anderson was the ?"Inner of
the high scratch prize in the week-end
shoot of the New York Athletic Club
at Travers Island yesterday. He took
the cup with a card of 94 out of a
possible 100 tagrets. Together with
D. I. Bradley, the winner seared a leg
on the Buermeyer Cup, a fifty target
scratch, with a total of 48. Anderson
also scored legs on the Byronel and
the president cups.
The high handicap prize was won by
E. E. We3t after a shoot-off against
several other nimrods. All had full
scores of 100 targets in the first time
at the traps. The winner also took a
special twenty-five "bird" shoot, and
scored legs on the Byroneil, president
and Lyon cups.
Legas on these trophies were also
scored by ail gunners with full scores
of 26 targets. In the shoot for the
tournament cup they were G. W.
Derkk, R. B. Cole, W. G. Allen, H. G.
Hutchins, E. W. Gluck and H. E. Per
sell. In the Byronel race, the ones
who also scored were P. B. Cole, G. H.
Hutchins and II. Kenne;dy.
The other President cup winners
were R. B. Cole, W. G. Allen, H. G.
Hutchins, M. McVoy, R. B. Sloan and
H.-E. Verseil. In the Tyon Trophy
shoot legs also were scored by R. B.
Cole. H. G. Hutchins E. W. Gluck, D.I.
Bradley and H. E. Persell.
Tmim rlvrone?! Lyon
Narno H. T. II. T. II. T. Sen* & hVap
E. B. Atvlerson. 1 23 1*25 1 24 94- 8-100
C. Murphy _2 IS 2 IS 1 10 50-10- 68
.1. Kelley. e*r...? 20 6 19 5 20 fi0-20- 80
G. W. Derrick..3 25 3 23 3 22 82-15- 97
R. B. Cole_ 3 25 3 25 3 25 92-14-100
\V. O. Allen_3 25 3 24 3 23 87-12- 9!*
F. A. Herring..3 23 2 20 1 23 80-10- 90
B. West .3 24 3 25 3 25 90-17-100
H. C Hutchins. 3 25 3 25 3 25 90-14-100
M. McVoy .1 23 1 23 1 23 89- 8- 97
E. X. A'.-*cander.7 21 7 21 7 19 53-30- 83
E. Vi GlttCk... 6 25 6 23 6 25 73-26- 99
P.. I?. Sloan....6 21 6 21 6 20 63-20- 89
P. W. Finch_4 24 4 22 I 24 80-16- 96
H. Kennedy ...4 24 4 25 4 20 77-16- 93
W. R. Dclehanty.5 24 5 24 5 24 76-22- 98
I). I. Bradley..1 24 1 23 1 25 93-10-100
H. E. Persell..3 25 7 24 7 20 75-30-100
High scratch prize?E. I!. Anderson.
High handicap prize?II. 10. West. .Sp?cial
cup?H. E. West. Buermeyer cup?L-?gs
ncorej? by E. B. Anelerson awl I). I. Brad?
ley. Legs >>" the Tournament, Byronel.
President ami l.yon cups acoro! by all
gurmera with full score? o? twenty-five
Columbia to Meet
Navy Wrestling Team
ANNAPOLIS, Md... Nov. 9.?The com
ing \,.w....n0 season for the Annapolis
Midshipmen will be the most preten
tiuus in the history of the mat game,
the team management having obtained
official permission to enter the inter
Midshipman Grap, manager, is await?
ing reply to his letter to the president
of the big meet. According to the
local schedule the Middies will take
on Yale, January 31; Lehigh, February
7; University of Pennsylvania, Febru?
ary 14; Princeton, February 21; Co?
lumbia, February :J8; Penn State,
March 6, and Cornell, March 18.
In ter boroughs Blanket!
An easy victory for the Robins Dry
Dock soccer eleven over the Inter
b<irough team by 4 goals to 0 was tho
result of the National League game at
Todd Field yesterday. Ratican and
McGuire scored for the winners in the
first half and Ratican and Miller in
Play to Scoreless Tie
With neither side able to score after
ninety minutes of play, the A. F. A.
Cup tie game between Clan McDutY
and the Newburgh Shipyards team, of
Newburgh, N. Y., at Morse Oval, in
Brooklyn, yielded no decision yester?
day. The match will be replayed at
Newburgh next Sunday, and the win?
ner will meet the American A. A. in
[Tn ALL FAIRNESS
1 f f By 1 W. O. MGEEHAN
PICKING a championship football team should be fisted under ihr
head of hazardous occupations. It cannot be dpne because th?a
season is too short and the game is too strenuous. A _o?_ ...
attempt to decidf the football championship would pack the hospitals
and develop not a few cases of homicide, and when you got your cham
pionship football team what would you do with it?
It is my personal .pinion that gratuitous advice to the colleges as
to the framing of their football schedules is foolish. There are certain
games that have been established by tradition. Each college has its
"deadly rival" or two, and the defeat of a "deadly rival" means more
to such college than the possession of a football championship would
mean. College foocball belongs to the undergraduates and the alumni
of the colleges. It is not a professional sport.
Few professional boxers could or would stand the punishment that
some of the football players receive in the course of a game. Intercol?
legiate football develops courage and endurance that is superhuman. I
am pretty well convinced that Trimble, of Princeton, in last Saturday'?
game received considerably more punishment than Willard received at
the hands of Dempsey at Toledo.
The best story of the attitude of the professional boxer toward foot
ball is told at the expense of Jim CofTey, who was a nearly good heavy
weight once. During the war Coffey was drafted into a stevedore regi
ment. The officer in charge, an old college football star, decided thai
he would organize a football team. During the preliminary practice h<
put a football suit on Coffey, the ring hero, and ordered him to run witi
the ball. Coffey was tackled. When he recovered his breath he droppec
the ball and dashed off the gridiron. "I'll not n'ay that ?gam? ." an
nounced the prize fighter. " 'Tis not sport. 'Tis murder."
When professional prizefighters feel that way about the tiarne i1
hardly would be fair to want young collegians to battle the year roum
to a. finish for a championship that, would signify nothing when it wai
won. Football develops better fighters than the ring, as the recruitini
statistics of the late war will show. The game is in good hands.
The Turning of the Worm
HPHE Harvard-Princeton game shows the folly of creating odds-oi
favorites in the game of football. Before last Saturday's game Har
vard was a 3-to-l favorite, and some of the speculatively inclined
with nothing but a sporting interest in the game, bet on the Crimson a
these odds. They were on the verge of a severe cardiac attack for thret
periods. In the intercollegiate game as it stands to-day anything migh
In football, as in the greater game of military science, the mo.
consummately arranged tactics sometimes get sanded. There is n<
telling what the courage of desperation may achieve in the war gan
on the gridiron. That is what make? the sport. The turning of the worn
and the triumph of the under do?; have bt^n the greatest sporting eventi
of the ages. Such things happen in footoa.ll time and again. There ar<
financial as well as sentimental reasons for having n bet down U> th
effect that the worm might turn and a few pennies to say that the unde
dog might show a whole mouthful of teeth. If the worm never turne?
?tnd the under dog never fought there would be no sport.
The Law on Boxing Bouts
HPHE Stopping of the boxing bouts which were to have been given fo
the benefit of the Red Cross last week demonstrates the fact that .
new boxing law is needed. The Police Department acted within the exist
ing laws in stopping the bouts, but it seems rather idiotic that boxin?,
bouts cannot be held in New York City for such a cause as the Red <"r??s
when they are being held weekly in upstate cities for the sole benefit ?i
fly-by-night professional promoters. There ought to be a little consistenc;
in this matter.
Small promoters upstate have lobbied constantly to block a uniforr
boxing law, because that would mean most of the boxing bouts would !>
held in New York City. These promoters seem to have influene<> euoug
with the upstate solons to block a uniform boxing bill and ?nfluenc
enough with their local police departments to hold bouts in violation ?
all existing laws. It might, be worth while for some mendier of th
Legislature to inquire into iiow this can be done.
The Inconsistency of It
HPHERE is another inconsistency about the stopping of those bouts la.'
Wtek that furni.hes some food for reflection. Billy Roche, wh
promoted the show, arranged boxing shows for the A. K. F. m Franc
while he was a member of the Knights of Columbus in service overseas
William came to the office full of enthusiasm for his show for th
Red Cross. "They are all real fighters," said William. "They fougl
in the trenches as well as in the ring, and you ought to see them g?
You ought to have seen the crowds when they boxed over there,
thought that they would tear down the arenas. You'll see some boxin
at this show and no stalling. There were no stallers in the A. E. F."
But the law seems to say that, while the American men might amui
themselves by watching boxing bouts during the war, it would he
breach of the peace and dignity of the sovereign State of New Yor
for them to see boxing bouts now that the war is over and the deman
for men with a punch in either fist seems to have passed.
Give the Game a Chance
TT IS highly probable that the next session of the Legislature will ta.
up the matter of boxing in a sane fashion and give it somethir.
more like a square deal. It certainly was in bad odor at the time <.?>?
ernor Whitman abolished the last Boxing Commission, but it might ha\
been given another chance. Because some of the former Governor
own appointees were unfit, the game should not have been given tl
The proposition set forward by the International Sporting Club of Ne
York and the Army, Navy and Civilian Board of Boxing Control for tweh
rounds to a decision, with the handling of bouts properly safcruanic
seems reasonable. I have been told that some of the legislators who helpi
to kill a boxing bill at the last session of the Legislature since ha
been brought around to a saner.and more liberal attitude toward tl
game. Boxing probably will get another chance, and it will l.< up
those who want the game to last to help weed out the fixers and t
fakers who killed the game before.
Promoters, Please Don't Crowd
TACK KEARNS, writing a perfumed billet doux for Jack Dempse
?* champion of the world, announces that the heavyweight cham pi?
has not yet been signed up with anybody. Kearns declares, howv
that Dempsey is most anxious to meet the winner of the Carpentii
Beckett fight either here or in England, and that Dempsey will shovi
go to Europe to smoke out the winner.
"However," writes Kearns, "we feel that, inasmuch as Willard a
over $100,000 to fight Dempsey at Toledo, Dempsey should get at le?
that much to fight the winner of the Beckett-Carpentier bout." And
it stands. Promoters with a couple of hundred thousand in loose cs
please step forward. Don't crowd.
Broceo Will Be Entry
In Six-Day Bike Race
Maurice Broceo will be a contestant
in the six-day race which starts at
Madison Square Garden November 30.
the rider signing a contract to ride in
Paris yesterday. The cable announc?
ing the signing of Broceo also state,
'.hat Oscar Egg, Swiss champion, agreed
to terms providing he was allowed to
pick his own partner, which the pro?
moters have taken under advisement.
Broceo was the sensation of the 1?13
race, his last start here, when he drew
down fifth prize with Vt-rri. The
Italian's wonderful sprinting was the
feature of the race, and had it not
been for the illness of Verri the team
would doubtless have stolen a lap and
won the race, for on moSe than one
occasion Broceo had the better part oi
a stolen lap when Verri was called in
Walkers Hike 20 Miles
To Larchmont and Back
The American Walkers' Association
of the New York ami Brooklyn
branches both joined in the most
popular hike on their schedule this
season, that to Larchmont. The larg?
est number of pedestrians that has
turned out this fall started from the
Bronx Park subway station, tramped
to Larchmont and returned, a distance
of twenty miles.
Those who took part teere H. Letch
ka, J. McGinn, S. DelbourRO. I
Vurock, J. Rocke, E. Lesniewbki, J
Burnatein, A. Voget, W. Stacey, J
Ricketts, J. Hart, F. Murphy, H. Barry
M Wallace, E. Brende, M. Nelson, ii
Suofort, E. Curnad, H. McCann, .*-*
Brown, D. O'Lt-ary. D. Pascual?, J
We hear that "John, the
old-clothes man." is having
a hard time to get "hand
me-downs"; that where it.
was possible before the war
to get four or five suits from
the average family, he's
lucky now if he gets one or
All of which says much
for the practical side of the
Once, his "rogerspeets"
outwore his patience!
Now he's patiently '.??ear?
ing them out?
(The writers two year
old tweed jollied up so well
in the hands of the cleaners
that even his tamily
thought it was new!)
stores just hum with the
demand for fine clothing.
Must be that old friends
are spreading the gospel of
soendin? money wisely.
flu?.I ?."* 1*1 I.i <? O.M P
at 13th St "Four *?th St.
Broadway Cornel*' Fifth Av*
at Warren at ?!? it.
At Horse Show
Has 70 Entries
Ridgefield, Champion of
Canrda. a Cont?*?tant; <lii
cagol?miter-AN i?l< r>mp<j*tei
vrai : incon
farms to vi ?it ?
are meut ?
folli.ua* g arra ?h
hei-n D a
A r m v :
S h e 11 a n d |
W ednei Ida) Hackney ..
es; annual mi*i , a
the- American H te knej I
Thur- ... ?, \
breeding ? h
Fridaj I horough bred r e e
classes, e hampionsh
es en ing.
Har?a up i ?
hor-e :?, nuntera and h. . or?f
will be ' re?
afternoon and eve
The* high-jumping competitions in
carded for a,
inga .?? 10:80 o'clock. J\i,. ( h ir*g<
1 '? i '' '?1 ' ^ !? uj ??? mi ? pi
Red Heart and firta* Heart, ea
which ??? ut MX fe^t nine
are to try agau
tl.t's?- events, a^minal new riv?ln.
Then Bre scvenl entries h
in ? hich p< rim ?if ?
roll ill. 'i h . ?
at ? p. ii. . ? \\ ? . |
jumpe i if he Doi u*..e ?
in Such cot '? ? l IC*nt R
te*r and Brockt ?howe?, ??no?
eleven <>th*-r hunters, all owned hj
Lieutenant Colonel il?-rbi*rt C. Cox, of
Ennisclarc Farm, Oak-villa, Canada, ?k
well h* a wonderful 13 1 hand t?r*v
ponv, Lady Perfection, entered by J
Macy Willeta, -*r Casai lia Farm*.
Mr. Wille t.? !i.night the pe ? se
....... ? it Ii proi ' ?
? l.urit. n.
?ill be re? ,
\th??lntt Break* Collar B?nr
Miles Whe'an. who wai In Frai "*?
with th?> 27th Division, sustained
injury to b i collai bone
ng tor tlic Longfotlo ?
Broe - ?*a in i? N-*'V York State I
soccer game at the Ridgewood
ball Grounds, the oppoa ng *oa .-.
the Greinpolnl ? '1
of Greenpoint. eo'lide d ?< rh Whslan.
who went to ri"-th
the (ran.?*. The- ?core was a I to ! tf?,
lirp** Bcorin fo o
the nrst period and Gavi|r?n for Gro^o
point in th?* second.
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