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THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE, SUNDAY MORNING, OCTOBER H, 1012. 5 jl
B-tjnuecl from Pago One.)
KrTiiis csl.inioii.v and cross cxumi
Mlop mi'lJt new ,ho on,iro di,-v-Kforo
coiiiff on tho staud Hose
Kj unt CO'mC to ';'ho good. 1
Ml what '"' "l uainsl., but I'm
K throned vr'tli it. I don't caro
Mil happens. J u''u only ono rojret
"; ou the stand I have mot and
ggonie decent, people, and now
Kncb mo tliov will be besmirched. I
MS that nobodv but mysolf need be
Buveil n0 tllis' but T SUP')0S,C H 5a ii
Kt of tho penalty. 1 sbull tell every
:Wm of the most awful plot that ever
Brors Guarded. .
In, iyrors nro held in the strictest
' IMlauon nt their hotel wIicd not in
IKtt Even telephone connections in
IKr'rooms wero cut off.
'IMlhero was a crauinj? oL necks In the
IBitfded courtroom as the bald headed
IBaMer bcan to testify. "Roso said
IMlsd known "Rosenthal for twonty
nMin and Bocher for several years.
BKrffjtne53 did not look at Becker as
'We his testimony, but the former
mB(a officer watched "Rose intently.
K. moko in deliberate tones,
MbtJ Vu have business relations with
vMktrr he was asked.
rj I collected money for him."
Br object aa Incompetent." shoutod
Ka J". Mclntyrc, counsel for the de-
I overruled," ordered the court
lkggg then told of meeting "Rosenthal
DB Becker In the 15Hcs' club on a Ncvr
tfMifi celebration. Mrs. Rosenthal was
ifKenL Becker said to Mrs, Rosenthal,
I Molding to the witness, "now don't
(nr. Herman and I have r thorough
I Htnhindlng. He Is my friend and i
jj.y i(j friend and his troubles are all
lBf raid ha met Becker again at his
WMrti and at the Union Square hotel,
JyHo Becker told him tho dctallo of the
I Burtf partnership in a gambling house
Ktio Booker and Rosenthal.
' BTkeker," Rone testified, "said Herman
flu nice a proposition to him that lie
Blnto partnership with Rosenthal In
Bsln? a gambling house and had asked
b to Invest ?5000 In it. I ealfl no ono
r.tnade any money In the gambling
ifcefs Tvltli Rosenthal."
tcker as Rosenthal's Partner.
Bder, however, continued tho witness,
j tot agrco and made a proposition to
9ir Rose to take a 25 per cont .share In I
foulness of the proposed C3tabllsh
Becker took a $2500 chattel mort
(4 on RoEenthal'a property a.nd a.r
4A for a "dummy" to hold the mort-
Btcker esked me," the witness went
, "ff I would take the mortgage, and I
!d I TTOllld."
thawitno's told of conversations with i
iir. In which tho police lieutenant in-
IttdTvhnt woro tho prollts of tho sam
tg house- "1 reported to him oii one
sstBn that tho house had made sev
U Ihnusiind dollars," nald Rose. "He
i me to toll Rosenthal to send him
. I "rreiit to aco Rosenthal and Rosen
altald he wouldn't give it. because ht
Sht ho hadn't had a square dual on j
1 told Becker. Becker Bald that Junt
i,ioonSs his attention was called to
t plafs hs would raid it. He- told me
I'lfll that to Rosenthal. I told Rosen
Hi. Kosenthal said:
?7ou tell Becker he. can't raid thlH
Kt unless ho gets ths proper evidence,
i3 he can't get H because T. )cnow all lits
njijd they can't gel. In hero.'
"Ec that's his attitude. Is it:.' Bcckei
HV4 when I fold hhn this. 'All right;
' IB r2d 1L Tell RosenthaJ.'
i- ffHtOKnthal sent back word by me- to
'Tclkthat fellow ho'd hotter not
t Hla.nTthlug with me.'
: B?0 day Becker told mo that
jfcmlatloniir "Waldo had called his at-
l fltllim lp the place and Tie fBecker)
( mfM have to .lfl it i told Rosenthal,
' 4n"s!nthal said, 'T.;ll Becker ho can't
ff tno: I don't helicve Commissioner
J Bf? evr caJled his attention to my
R&veral daTs later Becker told mo thai
J pphlnts vwe pourins: in and he- wouIq
, T to raid tlio plaice. Ho told mo to
jl Mfteenthal and tell him to do him a
"Tell him he vxa to stutnd ror a. raid,'
fl"t said, 'l did him a favor and he
. f'.50 on0' for mo. I'll raid the placs
Mr t rcl'6V m9 from worrj". and
. IB, lw daya he can reopen his place
' L7r5lhlng will be all right.'
-1 KyWenthal replied to me: Ton tell
' BFtt 1,6 a"" thinlc I'm crar.y to 3land
5ch a thing. H might as well tak.
it- Kh an( hum it up. It's my place
I WS.Jp oln to handle It the way 1
t MA bat' "
' Beclcer and told him what Ro-
i- fcdo Becker Angiy.
V A!ufi l m Bolnij (o raid the place and
lt m a few days within a, week-'
i fci,i,i Eeckcr 11 vould only .use
; y"1 and h-o said 'Don't you worry
CONSTIPATED, BILIOUS, HEfiDflCHY, !
. LIVER TOUPIO? CflSCARETS SURE 1
no waited y0111' llV,!r :,ni1 c!,rr3' off thc
fccffTCTti ,n,l,tcr,,nd "'Pation pesoti from th0 bowels. Then you . will
rom,S5Vo?n morning 10-cent box
rcgiW al make yo'u tAly oft;
J& CCSllS, Never gripe or ttcken.
"CASCARETS WORK WHILE YOU SLEEP.",
about that; it won't cause mc anv trou
ble; it will only cause trouble lor Rosen
thal. "Do you want me to tell that to Ro
senthal?" 1 asked. r
" 'No.' he answered, 'I'm through with
"A few days later Becker told me that
he was going to get two men from the
strongarm squad to swear to the evi
dence " 'That's awfully dangerous, Charlie,' I
" 'Xp.' ho said, 'it'n all right, I'll let
Rosenthal satisfy the mortgage first. I'll
.? . 1,,s p,flce lf l'a thc la3t tlllnS 1 do-'
All right,' I said. 'I'm not' going to
be in the houae when It's raided."
Tho house was raided,
"Later," Rose testified, "Rosenthal
complained to Becker that policemen
were stationed in front or his place, and
said he was sore because his wife's
nephew waH taken in the raid."
Rose said hie next meeting with Becker
was at his own house.
"He told me." mda Rose, "that Rosen
thal wao calling him up every day
asking a meeting to find out what ho
was going to do about the indictments
against tho men arrested In Rosenthal's
place. Ho put Rosenthal off. Soon after
Becker enld Rosenthal had begun to talk
uround street corners that ho was in
partnorahlp with Becker and was going to
show him up.
Waldo's Great Faith.
Beckor a few days Inter iold me of
having seen Commissioner "Waldo and
that the commissioner 'had heard of Ro
fientlial's charges and had not believed
"Becker aald to mo 'That follow Rohmi
thal is getting dangerous.'
"I said, 'Nobody will believe Rosen
thal I" "
" 'Well,' he anBwerod, 'no long as Com
missioner TValdo doesn't believe him, I
guess there's nothing to worry about."
"I askod Becker if he had taken the
policeman out of Rosonthal'n plaxio. He
" "Well,' I told him, 'as long as that man
stays there Rosenthal will talk.'
" T. don't caro much what he (rays,
" 'Did you and. Booker discuss news
paper IntorrlewB that Rosenthal had
given?" . ,.
"Yes, Becker told me that I shouldn t
worry about that; that he had Jack Sul
livan looking after tho papers and that
Rosenthal couldn't got anything prlntod
Itor Becker told mu.a morning paper
had gotten an affldavl-t from Rosenthal
and was going to print It.
" 'I suc3.i Rosenthal means to o wrtat
ho sold bu would to squoal and break
me,' Becker said. ,
" TU get n. couplo of gang rnen, i
told Becker and go around and tell Rosen
thal that lf he doesn't Ktop his attack on
vou. something will happen to hlnu
"'Oh, hell!' Becker said. J .dori.. "tT'',-ni
tho f-Uow beaten up. If T did Id boat
him un nmoJf or have him beaten up for
resisting arrest. But a besting up won t
do for him. Ho must he- Put whore
neither 3'ou nor 3. nor anybody else, will
evor have to worry about blni aga n.
" 'Who.t do you want done with Ro
contbalV I askod Becker during the t-on-versa.tion,"
tho wltneFS testified.
Insisted on Murder
" T want him nmrdored, shot, croaked,
dynamited or anything.' Beukcr replied,
r want him put wher wc wib never
have to worn' about him apiln-
The witness hero told of Becker n Di
lngod instructions to htm to get out on
ball "Big Jack" Zelig, the gang leador.
thon in tho Tombs, and have Zellg'i. men
put Rosenthal out of tho way.
"Do vou know sentiment at police head
quart ei-s Is so strong that 'they don t
care If Rosenthal ic put out of the saj
Becker asked. 'I want you to go over to
the Tombs and sec Zelig and ask him
lo give orders to oroHk Rouenthal tonlglit
T will see that 55ellg lu out on the street.
"Beckpr gavo me $100 to tako to iellg.
'I'll met you tomorrow morning Jo see
what Zelig says,' ho told mo. 'Toll him
1 that th'ire will bo no danger to ins
"f'saw Zollg and gave him the $100
and told him that It came from Becker,
I Rose continued. "Zelig said. I don t
jj . i Dyspeptic?
'JlStti Do You Suffer From Con- 1
stipation, Biliousness, I
mm Malaria or Fever g
ii Tlien, by all means, TB.T I
1 v;; SIiALBITTEI,li
ml ; stoen"daiid8wT do 1
MR i WmrWM ' yon a lot of good. Has 1
'iBS' years Gefc a bottlc today' 8
want that ?100. 1 want to get out of
here, you and Becker got me Into tins
trouble.' I told him that thc S100 was
just a little favor" from Becker and that
he was not to worry.
"Zelig said: 'If you want to do me a
favor, get me out. I won't do anything
for Becker unless ho does get me cut.'
"I saw Becker next day and told him
that Zelig wanted to get out and would
not do anything unless he did get out."
Rose said he went to the home of the
four gunmen. "Gyp the Blood" and his
pals, and explained tho Roscnthal-Bcckcr
situation. He told them, he said, that
Becker would "frame them up" if they
did not "croak Rosenthal."
Agreed to Kill Gambler.
"They agreed lo do It that night."
Rose said they had delayed "doing tho
Job" and Becker hail Inslstod that they
"hurry It along." TTc told of a plan to
kill t tie gambler at the Garden restau
rant. It failed, he said, because of a
suspicion that private detectives were
present and guarding Rosenthal,
"Eccker got hot at this," Rose added.
"Ho kept asking, 'Why all this stalling?
Vk'hy don't you get him"' One day he
said: 'Now, this la going on too long.
Either you are stalling them or these
fellows are stalling you.'
"I told Becker that n doloctive scared
tho boys off at thc Garden restaurant,"
Rose continued. " 'Dotectivo!' ho said.
'Wake up and shool Rosenthal In front
of a policuman. Get through with it.
cct it overl' "
The witness then passed quickly to the
events Immedlntoly preceding the mur
der. He told of going to "Bridgie" Web
ber's gambling plnce. and tbeuco to the
Lafayette- baths, where he mot Jack Sul
livan. Becker Impatient.
" 'I received a telephone message from
Becker.' " Rose testified. " 'FIc nslrcd mo
If r hod hoard of subpoenas Issued by
the attorney for TJollar John' and If I
had fiTotl It so that 'Dollar John would
corroborate Rosenthal before tha grand
jury. I told him it had not been fixed.'
"Becker Hald. '1 told you what this
thing would come to If tou didn't get
rid of this fellow. TVhy don't you do it
tonight'" I sfdd Fd do my Ixat.
"J remained at the baths that night
and hnd dinner with Sam Schepps. G al
lon and Plltt. They camo in a machine."
Plltt has been described aa Becker'a
Rose testified that Vallon. Schepps and
himself went to Fourteenth street and
Second avenue and got an automobile
Then they went, to "Dago Trank'n" house.
"I asked Frank where tho rest of tho
crowd way." Rose continued.
"Ho salrj they had received k message
to comi downtown to 'flrldgle' Webber's
Murder Party Gathers.
"We went to 'Bridgie' W-bber,B place
and saw 'Rrid'glo,' 'Gyp the Blood,' 'Lefty
Louie' and. 'Whltey' Lewis on th side
walk. We all went up into 'Brldgie'a'
place and hod drinks. 'Bridgie' eald.
'Herman Rosenthal Is a.t thn Metropole.
ISveiybody got up then and wont out."
"Who went out""
"Lefty," 'Gyp." "Whltcy,' 'Dago Frank
and 'Brldsle.' I stayed behind and was
waiting when word en me In that Ro
senthal hnd been shot." Rose said ho
went to Iho Lafayette baths and tele
phoned lo Becker.
" 'Did yon hear the newo?' I asked
him. 'Ycf Becker nald. T congratulate
i " 'Mow did you get tho news o soon"'
I a-slod Becker.
"'1 got It from a newspaperman.' hs
" 'Are you coming down town?" I asked
" TU hi right down,' he replied.
That was about 2:?0 o'clock. Rose
said. Booker came down about dawn,
met Rose on the sidewalk with "Brldgy"
Webber a.t "BrldcyV gambling place.
Glad Deed Was Done.
"I am glad It"s done," Becker said-
"Becker said he was Jato in coming
down." Roso added, "becausu ho had
stopped at tho police station to scii Rosen
thal's body. 'If it was not for District
Attorney Whitman being there I'd have
reached- around and cut his tonguo out,"
Becker said to me," Rose said slowly and
" 'Don't worry, Jack,' Becker told me.
'The only thing to do now is lay low
till It blown over." "
Rose said lis hid nt Harry Pollock'"H
horno with Sam Schcppo. Rose tele
phoned Becker and wa told not to worry,
nut to stay whero he was. Becker told
hlni. Rase continued, that he nhould sign
un affidavit saying that ho fRose) had
advanced the ?1COO which Keeker loaned
"I told Becker It wits a poor thing to
do, now thai, the man was murdered."
Rose said, "but he insisted. At midnight
he :ent his lawyer, John "W. Hart, with
tho affidavit. I signed it."
Becker Plainly Worried.
Before Rose was half through with hln
story drops of perspiration were Etondlng
on tho brow of the accused police lieu
tenant. Ho did not once take hU eyca
off the witness. Mrs. Becker, who sat
near her husband, lookiyj steadily at the
floor. Attorney Mclntyrc. Becker's coun
sel, volleyed objection after objection un
til "he was reprimanded by Juotlco Goff.
Twice he demanded that, court be ad
journed on the ground that it was a legal
holiday and each tlm the court cut his j
arirunient short- i
" 'Brldgy' Webber ga,ve me $1000 after
the shooting at Fiftieth street and Eighth
avenue." declared Rose, continuing his
teGtiniony. "I gavo it lo 'Lefty Louie,' "
"When was this?" asked Mr. Mob:j.
"On the Tuesday aftomoon after the
shooting. Tho shooting was early Tub
'What did you any to "Lefty Louie'
when you gave- him tho money?1'
"I told him, 'There's $1000 for you,
Louie- Vou and the rit of the boys lie
low for n few days. Becker nays above
all things you must not talk and that
everything will he all right.' "'
The witness was then turned over to
"Vou will havo only today to crow
examlne Jack Rose," Justice Goff noti
fied Becker's counsel. "Vou will finish
his cross-examination If I have to sit hero
"Rone, are you a murderer?" wan tho
"Did you procure tho murderers of
'T did not."
"Were you guilty of that murder V"
"No," shouted the wltno.-is.
"Did you kill Kid Twist?"
"Did yon erer Doe hlmT
"No, W heard of him."
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l ' so 1LVIN gTn'r,Bi , , ,
"Did you procui'6 bto murderers?"
"Was Bam Schepps with you whan you
signed tho affidavit unnt you tj' Becker
at Pollock's homo?"
"Tou olsnieil that paper under oath,
"And tharebr committed perjury?"
"Yes, 1 did. admitted Roho coolly.
'lWhy did you do IhlaT"
"I did It for Becker: I would have done
anything 'or him that nlsht."
"What it? your name?"
"For twenty yeara," tho witness aald,
"I've betn known m Jack Rose."
"Did you know Jamea M. Sullivan In
"Yea, he wa my press aprent when I
used to set up prbw fights In Now Ha
ven, Waterbiiry, Hartford and oLhr
"And whon you wcro apprehended for
murder, ho became your lawyer, didn't
"I was never apprclicntc.d, ' Hihh re
plied emphatically. "J Rave myself up
at police headquarters.'"
iwor you held for murder In this
Rose Hold ho camo hero from Poland
when he wan 25 ycara old. He lo now
37, he added.
Roso refused to say whethor he had
lived In Connecticut with a woman not
"Tou once forged som- union label
Htamps, didn't you?"
"Never," replied Rose.
Mr. Mclntyrc sought further to unfold
Roue's history. The wltneBB nald that
about twenty years ago he ran two gam
bling houseB and three or four yoara ago
he had an lnteroai In a gambling house
called tho Hcsper club.
"Was Rosenthal Interested In the Hea
per club with you?"
' "Ho wus." . ,
"Was that vour first business connec
tion with Rosenthal V"
"No; I was employed by Rocenthal in
his gambling house In TSast Broadway
twenty-one yeara ago."
Roso added that he also had been en
gaged tn the theatrical business and had
vorlouHlv been a gambling house pro
prietor. iKiokmakor and play-producer.
Expert Poker Player.
"What did you do for a living In
1D10?" , , ,,
"I was an export pokor player.
"Did you not swear, In a lawsuit
against Roaonthal In 1007," domanded Mr.
Mclntyrc, reading from a printed record,
"before ck supreme court Justice, that
you wero not Interested In gambling
"Did vou tell the truth Mien?
""c-' , . ..
"I made up my mind," Ro,e volun
teered, "to Quit gambling for the sake
of my family and lend a respectable
"Oil. two yearn ago, Roto replied,
wuarllv. "threo years ngo, four year.s
ago. bIx years ago. ten years ago, twenty
vears ago and 1 hope to lead a respecta
blu Hf again."
"How did vou terminate your Interest
In Rosenthal'a gambling house?" pursued
Mr. Mclntyre. ...
"It terminated when Becker raided the
P'"And you and Rosenthal fell out then?"
"Vou; our relations were strained nftcr
that." , ...
"Weren't you known ns a stool-pigeon
for the police?"
"No; 1 was known as a rolleelor.
"When Rosenthal t'd H dlatrlrL ;it
tornov about rclaLloini with IJrcUor, dlit
vou lenrn that Kouetithal hud xlon your
hamo to the dlstrlcL attorney?' iisg!
"Becker told me so." . . '
"And you felt that Rosenthal had
squealed on you. didn't you?"
"I felt so, cp. I felt that Becker's in
terest and mtue ucro the -ame." 1
"Did vou tell a newspaper reporter
that you resented Hosentlial's squealing 1
on you?" , . IIH
"Didn't you say that the squealer should IH
be put out of the way?"
"Or anvthing resembling that?"
"Ves; I told that to Becker."
A moment later Rose declarod h.9 had B
told Booker no &uch thing.
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