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was almost pitiful -J-'!, couldn't say
riot without consulting my lawyer."
"Our refusal, to answer that ques
tion can. mean only one thing," said
' O'Hara. "You have .discussed what
you would testify to before this com
mission with other merchants?"
t "Why why yes," said Lehmann.
"Have other merchants' .advised
you not to answer the questions' of
this commission?" asked O'Hara. .
Lehijiann's jaws worked nervously
but he did. not; answer.
"What merchants DID advise you
not to answer the questions of this
.commission?" demanded O'Hara.
And again Lehmann could find no
"Don't-you know," said O'Hara,
'that you can be cited for contempt
for refusing to answer?"
'M I know," said Lehmann, in a
choking voice. "I must wait until I.
see my ilawyer." , ,
' "Isn't it quite possible," continued
O'Hara, "that the question of wages
was discussed. at.meeting of Jhe State
Street' Merchants' Association?"
"E.r riot to my knowledge," said
"Has this association a' blacklist?"
"Oh," said Lehmann, eagerly,.
"thatfsjUst for dishonest employes."
"Does it regulate prices?"
;"Does it specify on what "days what
stores will hold sales?" J ,
"No;" ( , ,
"Does It' pass oh rules?"
"No." , - -
"Has the association arty rule's?"
Mr. Lehmann, strange to remark,
did. not know whether the associa
tion had' any rules or not.
"Are matters of general business
interest discussed at meetings of the
association?" went on O'Hara.
" "Why er yes?' ' . -
, "That's all'frdmou," said O'Hara,
and leaned back in his chair., -
Henry C. Schwab, vice president
of Rothschild's company, was called
to the stand.
,RiX,M ver hear of tH? sjate
Street Merchants' Association?" ask-j
ed O'Hara. ,
"Why yes," said Schwab.
"Was a. SECRET1 order passed out
to the merchants by this association
that' no information should be given
this commission?" asked O'Hara.
"I don't know," said Schwab.
"But er there has been some dis
cussion of the matter."
"Are you regulating your conduct
accordingly now?" asked O'Hara.-
Schwab did not answer.
"Don't you know, Mr. Schwab,"
said Senator Juul, impatiently, "that
you are embarrassing this commis
sion. We do not wish to have to
force.you to answer questions; neith
er do we wish to give the impression
that we don't wish to force you to
jdo'so." ' t '
And, again Schwab did not answer.
Thorne, vice president of Mont
gomery Ward & Co., said thathe em
ployed 11973 girls; that their average
wage was $9.25; that 233 got $5; 572,
$6; and 373, $7.
Lieut. Gov. O.'Hara asked Thome
if the parents of the girls made up
the difference between the wages
they got and what it cost them to
"Yes," .said Thorne, brutally,
"that's ybat parents, are for."
"And perhaps," said O'Hara, sharp
ly, "that is the reasort for race
suicide. Don't you think a working
girl has a right to a living wage?'
."Most of them, are onty assisting
their families," said Thorne". "They're
only half-baked, and don!t know any
thing whetf they come to is. We
simply help them." f
"Ah!" said. O'Hara, "you are' a'
.charitable institution? I
"Oh, not. at all," said Thorne.
"Have you any girls .from poor
homes working for you?" asked
O'Hara. ' "
tOur matrons, would know that,'r
said Thorne. "They ask all poor
.looking girls about their families."
"We know -of a, ?5 a week girl
who js supporting her widowed moth.-