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THE REPUBLIC: SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 25, 1000.
Declare Three Strictly Orthodox New York Clergymen.
TFIK GKXTLKMKX WHO WKHK I'KKSKXT.
The Jftworend leOlx-H S. MiicArliiiir. I. I). il'..iitisti. I'.tsttir of Cal
vary Church. Fifly st'vi-nih sired, near Sixth avenue.
The iieverend V. lc Sola Memles (Ileiirewl. Ii.thlii of Sli.i.ir.ii Tep
Iiilla, West Kifrlitx-M'eoiid street, near Aiiisterdaiu aemie.
The i;eereri(l .I.intf-; 15. Kenieiismtler. I. 1. il.iit.irnnil, Pastor of
M. .lames's 'hiireli. Matlison avenue and Seventy tliin! street.
A hVimrter for The Sunday Kopublie.
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V-.k. r'I. CI --At a m-'inc of tho
-named pcntlomen. which occune.1 m
?';, cf the Waldorf-A'torae. the fol
j real conversation was held.
I'... or Mac-Arthur: "Th peneral qtte-s-i
-, )-. Is Christianity losinp irround? Arc
il i hun-fces; logins ttu-lr hold upon l'ie
. .ii-Mii iiy? Is the attendance e-f the
. ' .-. i . s loo, and is the- interest in vital
..-i !.- than It has been at any time
u iteration? My own opinion on this
I -. very elear. I feel quite sure thai
i ' ..!-'.- and the church, tiflns both term
i ih-:r broadest tslKnlficaiice. never had
i en it a hold upon the jieople of this
!! a-- they have at this jnomeiit.
;- .( cbanpes arc takimr place !n rellcious
I he, but these chances do not mean that
t. r is any less interest In rcliirion. in
c. rit.Ie or in the church. There have
1 c. r. cit.ine.es In the formal systems c-r
r-. I.s .ill alonff throuRhnut all the history
. Christianity. A few y.ars asro in Kpk
land th.-ro was a very bitter controversy
botwcn tho hyper-Calvinists and the motl-ri-"tc
Caivtnlsts. On one side, representing
1" I.- r-e'.iivinlsm. was old Doctor Oill. one
f' t-ie pn-deccsfors of Mr. Sp-jrseon. one
of th- cre.-t scholars of England. Doubt
b s th -se who were- associated with him
t'-o-it-ht tint everything was KOinjr to de
siruction tiecause a very considerable por
tion if the nonepi?copal people had drift eI
so .y into a moderate Calvinism. That
wins was led by Andrew Fuller. Hyper-"alvini-m
thought that Christianity was
Ifv.-c i-s hold, and that reliirion hid re
ceived a derided setback. Tiie contrary
was tme. Tho modification of Calvinism,
of whi.li Fuller was the Kreat leader,
nv- 1 hundreds of churches from "ohis
pr.i- -I-- .Iiy into asnostictsm?"
"How i:.to .urnostieism?"
Docior MacArthur: "i e-ause. they would
have s -.id at once that if the CJod of the
hvper-Ciitvlnlsts is the true Cod. we would
ri'li.r have no Gc-d than such a God.
''b it was their conception of GodT"
! tor Mac-Arthur: "That God had elect
ed rtain persons to salvation and certain
rs to damnation, irrcpt-ctix-e of char
r t r n- condition. There were those who
w.-i CalvinlMS who would have moderated
t!-,.' iii-n, hut that was the Iw- of liyiier-
t .Kimsm in its boldest firm. HjiH-r-;aI-
iinism, pressed to its extreme result, had
c-rt mi peisons elected to salvation and
o'h- rs to damnation for all eternity. Xow.
yndw Fuller led off on the other side.
.aimmp to be a Calvinist. but claiming to
he .-. v. ry moi-'erate Calvinist and Kivltis
inor pr minence lo the clement of free will.
Il- emphasize! tho. thought that Coil lias
madt man and has made man free, else ho
1' ni i a man. If he be not free he is a ma
tfur.. If lie lie a man he mu"t have the
J iwer of choice. If he has not the power
of choice lie Is not responsible. To hold
n-m responsible when he is Jiereft of tho
pnw-r of choice is. to act cruelly and tyran
i. hy, I think I might say. satanleally.
tow .rd man. What was the result? Cal
m i-in v.as mo.lill.-d. Andrtw Fuller moili
li o i hi thousht of all American theologians
in all tie .Presbyterian and CoiiRresathmal
t o ipie.il s :ninari? in the United States.
! hi :.me the leader in the new era of
'.Ivudsni. that bure its best fruit In the
1 i;ii-,l Slates, and now. in tin so later days,
i l arins good fruit in Knsland. Tho
.nn-,-1 was not detrimental, but wonder-I think that reason is a light that guides us
n.l.v hopeful, to all forma of aggressive re- I I"HK the shores of time. 1 think that
ligiou.- ufe ia the Protestant bodies of Ens- ',""'", !"pi.r'iU."1 I,,"ture,? !ntS,.". I-,,i'y- j1"'1
land Now. rcasoninR from analopy. I make ! J,, A?..ho "-,s a dlvi"c '"Siven fae
l.i id to alllrm that the newer thought In I "There are men who have never recog-Kri..i-.l
and the VnittsI States will be ' niz.tl the fact that there is a God. Now.
1 -u.i. to be conducive lo the best interests , )at dlMS ,,tt mwin7 Does that m-,in that
.-.......- .(...Mkii .wivj I,,,;. ill-it- .tie W
Wii.ii iio you mean by tht eMremists or
radii -i- '
Do. r MacArthur: "That would wholly
de-pend uiin our standard of radicalism.
Going li.it k to my illustration, old Doctor
GUI n.-i.Kl have call. tl Fuller heterodox. I
w ul i t iH him orthodox, and the minority
tir p. pi. jI him orthodox now. tiie
two 1 think he was the nitre orthodox. I
finite l.iii.-v-e. that we are In the midst of
n historic move uient to-day in theology as
tul .is men were In the-" midst of a hls-ti.rii-
meiveme-nt in thcologv in 5re.-it lirit
uxi f-'iir de'-atles ago. Though at the time
tb.v r.- not con-clcus tht y were in it
Ho v v ,e a p-irt of it. Thev were moving
y.it- rhe turient. an.i they did not realize
how rapidly il was moving, hut now, !:
lint -in ih- bank and looking ba.-k at'that
lust. rs,. stream, wc see how rapidly it wmr
flnwTig It is moving to-dav in other di
wrti.nis in the Vnite.l Stat. s. Seme nr us
belong to the mod. tate consci'vativi-s I
place mtir in that class. I place mvsclf
In r.Iainn to the movement to-iav vvhere
Andr. vv Fuller belor.g.si tvvt c.-nenitlons
ago. I- the midst ..f tiie mo.liii.-d Calvin
Ism :-i.- view wh. h I n.-w hold would
1 ;ivi h . n . ..ns-iderod a tr.-neratioii ago
somewhat advance.1. T'-day it Is consl-1-
I- ree to
Dr. V. . Kief, the Well-K n,,,, ,, .
lliorilv. i.ihIh n 'I'rinl of lilt t'n-
niont Method I'ree In All.
u ot th. rlians ..r otd-tlmr failure corner
n n w and starMing . ure for nipture Iir W
S Ui. t .. Main s,t.. Ai.uns. N. Y, has
...... .BUa-iss&r" .
' .SiffiMMa5?---' '"'-.
r it ,x .7 ,eV
Ml? rnA t s.-r?i-
lnvcn'ed a method tliat cures without pain. I
langer, operation or nn hours in. f iTI1.-.
from 'lie day's work. To avoid all .nit-stlcns
of doubt ht sends free to everv stilft-r.-r a
free trial .f his method, and there cm be
no eartt.ty reason why any erne, r-ch or iwr.
shouM not avail thcniselves of this Kcneious
offer As an instance of this renurkab e
method, the cure if Chares l.inp-. Morri
soo 111 . ;i welcome piece of int. ihgenc .
Mr. Imge is a well pn-s. rve.l old centie
tnai. Tl c.ars of agi-. ami for Ighte-en years
V. 1 n bail double rupture which no treat
ment could cope with. After a short Use (f
the llin- me'hii.l the left rupture heab-el en
irilj and the right was almost clos.tl in a
few weeks. To-day he is as sound as a dol
lar wears no trus or other support, and
Ms ure is only one of hundreds if Similar
ise-s re p rtetl by those who u-c the Hice
. hol Send for this Sn-e triel. Don't lie
back vv. ml It will surprise you wi-Ji its won
derful pow r to ileal. Ar..l if you know of
other ruptured people ask them lo write or
write for them. Do not fail to write at once.
Do so to-day.
.r!:!.,:T.,"',",'ib'J.'!!,'"i,J,-'S ,V-."0 ei"'"tu,:,u' ;" 'mean Uiat they have not seen' the, face of
il.sa) p. r. I am spt.ikins now Inm the (jini""'
WT..Z"? ItV.'t,n.ta",l?".,,i' f c'u.?- I I"'etor V.r mensny.Ier: "Then- may be tKr.
X!y,Li ! ;fr f";0:jui;1,tl!e':L,,n5"vi,s'0,
V.- I?'. ."'rJJ!!?'' .!'. ,"- " H ""re'an-'chndnn'w'lo: are" U.ute .'1
..j. in n mi iiiiii iit,, i.ii 'nti.iii. i
.. '.'ia '-'iStf J "- ... f-i
VrT. . - '. '-' 5vv
i'-.trr !! men-nj-ler
me ..i, :li ientl -utri-
Kemen-inrdt r "1 reid our artl-
le ii: -Ii'-plL.ti..!," the otli. r da. and I
ti.mk 1 .! tndr-e it."
l'oi-ior AlaeArtliur. "It wa not a hail
a.- it mlsht Ik- lit t.tleineti. it i .t )-sitl
fi.t that thi church i- tnakini; im re rapi-1
pr -Kret;t in Its iwre-utaKe of jcrmta tlinn
the p.iul.uion of the I'niud Slates."
ili. ou am 17.1- tui-V
l)ilr Ma.-Arthur. "I have ticures from
the hlKh'st aiuliorltles. I will ,-ive von a
little illustration rt-carliiiK m- own t!e-n-
ral.-i.unpn. 1 cam.- t- N.-n- V-irl; in !?
Thro wr' in mund tiuintM-r, in the l':nt.,i
StuU. oi-e and a half million mem! rs m
i:.ipti-t i-'iur-l" s. T1-- p iHiLitioti tueii w n.
in round ticur. . i,i"i. T-I;iv the ji.ii u
lati'iii of tin- nunti i- pr.-lK-.lilv 7.!. -i .."
to ;.:."im.ii. Grant. :t j.n: ph .it that th..
Jopulatiori -if tin- country I- :.:..ki i..i that
1-' to ha. srai!' that the population of the
country Is Uuh!e wltti it ..i; tlen Tin
niemliership of the liapits cln:r,h--s of t'u.
country lias almost trebled, while the popu
lation of the-country has not quite iiouli!.d.
1 think th it if iho llRures am Hie ipu .i
t'on ot tile country, taken from the I'mteil
States ci nsus. decade Iiy d i ulo. mil il the
lltruies from all tho lca.lliur dcnommitio:-.-.
tak n fiotn their ear liooks. wcr. f- -duo.
!. tilt y Would show that while the Ko
m.tn I'atholic chuiehes in tiu-i kOiuit: l..ue
sniwn, the Prot. st:it eliur. h. hate fir
outstripped tht Iti.maiiis's in th-lr pi r.-ent-i-J,v
! sr.nvtJit in the 1'mte.i States.. 1 im
F.-it!f.liei tliat tin re never was a time m
ihe nt-tory -,f the i'nilt-.l States win n ad
formt of Christianity had such a rapid
"May I Interrupt ju.st a moment? Here is
IVictor .Mi-nrtes. Now. v.ni s.iv practical
-liristianity. Doctor Mendes i: a Jew.
Now. what do y. u mean hy Christianity?
1-j nu mean tt-lii;Uin or MraiK'tt Christ i
anityT' Diitor MacArthur: "I v your point."
"You do not tin-. in simple fondness. Io
you mean Chri.-:i unty or churcluanity? '
Doctor MacArthur: "I am not mueli on
the inatttr if chureiiianlty. I think there
i a ehurc!itani:y wliieh i.- verv far from
Ileitis vital, iraitlo.il. commendable Chris
tianity. In sp-aUitiic of chrl-tlanlty I men
the furce that makes for riKi.t-ousness as
rpaiuz. -I in tisu chun-hes bearim; the
"hristian name I was not usliu tiie word
in a strictly theolocic.il sense, neither was
1 usins the word "ChristMnltV at that m--tnent
as incluilitiB Kotnaii Catholicism. 1
had in mind more especially the force mak
ing for rfKhteousness in the rrotestatit
iiiurtnes. i woum not exclude in the use
of my term nn Hebrew congregation. c
ctpt in tho popular sense in which wo use
How far do the creeds ro in realitv?"
Doctor MacArthur: "I am not a very de
vout adhi rent of crodal svstems. as Doctor
llemetisnyder verv w.-U kuoivs I ! !l.v
! tbat a emit many men an- jiraetieally far
Utter than their technical creeds, but I b
nev a treat many mm are
iritlniletv e or.- I I'
man ineir theological and crcdal systems.
it is what a man is that musi. after all.
d"t.nnir.e his standing: h. f..re God. and in
tiie lone run it will determine what hU
standing is before man."
Dim tor IJemeiisnjder: "I am coinc ti
ak oti a iiestIon ulnch every person who
limns that in- does not know, who is nut
conUiic.d and who wants to be convinc d
one way or the other, is asking himself, and
asking txtryliody whom he thinks can pos
sibly know. Wo will assume that I am a
prfettl c.uhI man. We will assume that
f follow- the Gold- n Uule, and do unto
others as I would he clone by; but I sub
scrilie to no creed. lic!on;r to m. e-hurch. and
liave no b-llef in the tIieiloI-nI onee-ptinn
of Gol. What is my standing with vouT
Doct r Itemenmyde?: "Now. I must an
swer from my standjioliit. Of course. I lie-li.-ve
that man is not viily a rational bein;r.
but a spiritual beiiiR; that his spiritual
nature is deeper than his rational lK-imr. I
think thul a man's destiny and character
dei-nd more uijti his spiritual nature and
his developm- tit eif this de-i-r principle
louuii nun man uihii aiiyiiuuc- ise. 1
llinl li:,e nn M,'--,.t, t,. tll.., n- .1......
cry advantage, and their higher nature has
not Inch t-itiche-tl on.
"What is jour conception of God?"
DiH-or Iteme-nsnykr: "He is an Intelli
gent le Ing."
"Why do you Fay "He"? I am asking a
question now which 1 think the public in
g n.-ral wou.d like to have answered."
Doe-tor Itcmeiisnyd.-r: "That is a question
which lias never occurred to me. nor halo
I ev.-r considered tliat lack of feminine
prln. iple in our conception of the Deity.
Man se. ins to tie the he-ad and representa
tion of thl hutirin ra . . and .-o we simply
a.-siinie masculinity as a character of G .1."
"How- would you explain the statement
thai man Is mad in the imag- of God?
Do yeni e-oin-eiv- ot God as a human bi'iiiu
.e : man with two arms, two legs and a
Ductor Iienieii.snvder: "I only .-one-civ.- eif
him :i:i a spirit. Wlie-n I say that man was
in id. in the image of God I me in that li
partakes of tie- character and the p. rin
ality of Gid tliat he knows the distinction
between tiht and wrong. It is a much
Kte-it.r thing for Cod to have conf.-rn d
freisioin upon a num. with th- iiotsiiiiiity
of the loss of 111- soul, than to have elonicd
him lr.-.ib.m and made htm a machine."
"Is that the Jewish conception. Doetor
Ualild Mende-s: "Very nearly."
"Do you feel that it was fair to irive us
what Doctor lb ineiisr.yd. r speaks of ,ih
freedom; In oth r words, a right to sin?"
Kal.bi M.ndcs: "I can perfe-e-tlv eonct-ivo
how- that chimes In vvllh tile grand archi
tectural plan for the ebvatlon of what is
th-- .ss.-nti.il part of it. I can conceive that
it is an aivantaro for that spirit to i-o
through a sort of education, as It wen-,
and cMe'iiinic. and only trial anil tempta
tion . an help the man to build tip his spirit.
The mail who is nev. r tempted may have
enough righteousness, but lie ia not th"
Jewish conception of a righteous man. A
rvht-ous man is ut who is tenipt.il and.
still dms not sin." j
"No . Doctor .Minde-s. you .-.re prnliably
at the head of the Jewish Church in this I
town. Y"ii an- probably at the li-ad .,f the i
ltaptist Church. Doctor MacArthur and I
ou are at the htad of the Lutheran '
Church. Doctor ISeinensiiyd.-r. Now. your
one id. a U-e one idea of all of von Is lo
make the i-ople who go to y..n gi,()i ,..i
p!e. Now. Is it possible that you. Doctor
Kcincnsn.viicr. can bell, ve that tin- people
who go to hear Doctor Mendes arei who
follo-v iMctnr Me-ndei's- teachings ami act
according to the gosju-l of the Jews, can
possibly (. datr.n-'dT'
D.M-te-r H.-meiisnyder: "I would like to
answer tint cpietlon in -uch a w.iv as t
eli-nne Chr.stianily at th- s une time: that
Is. I would answer it by savins: 'No. I
would not say so. I maintain that the
e..rdin.il point of Christianity is that a
man will be Judge-el by his acts.' "
"Do Jon believe th it a man Is to lie co;i-de-mneel
for not w dking in a light which
In has never had?"
Doetor .MacArthur: "I do not Ihlnk that
Ilade-s or Paraelise- an so much places ns
vor.ditiotis. If all the guilty inhabitants of
Had.s vwre transferreii to-morrow- Into the
Kituicsi eienguts ot l-arauise. It would still
be to them Hades."
Uni.bi Mendes tinterrupts): "God never
wnt a man to hell. Men go iiecause they
are d. totniined to go. If a man does not
want to go to hell he w-'ll n.-ve-r go to hell
that is to s.iy. he wants it more than ho
want the life in heaven. There Is a lot
of moral sympathy In this universe that Is
as r.al. as univcrs'rel. as resistless as a law
of phvs'ical gravity. Every man goes to his
Doetor Itemensnyder: "What 1 have slid
is verified by the doctrine of the- church In
te-gaid to the descent of Christ into hell.
ve hold that the ele-scent of Christ Inti
hell implied a Mate of exultation and not
Doctor .Mac-Arthur: "I would rot like to
lndor:: Doctor Kcmeiisnj dor's interpreta
tion of the so-cillcd descent Into hell. While
J agree with the "cneral statement as to
"to laci, jl co not believe that coademua-
r. .1 it'-era1ivi
(! - tint -n,.-.ia-r
tion Is the siine thinjr for all men. It Is one
thiiiir to one man ai i It is nnntln-r Inn j
to another, it Is the panihtr- nt Tor h.ivliig
IHKlecte.1 opjiortilliirx. t.ul. , i. perform
duty, and not walked in th- heir wlil-h
the provldem i. of God cave. It is the inevi
table r. suit of that law like tho law o:
Krnvit.itinn ibat rules thrriUKh.iu: the uni
verse. 1 would like lo K Ui. k a in in. nt. s-
that I can h.-innoniz.- the view- of the orth
odox Christian and the orthodox Jew. What
Is a Ciins-ian? A man who Iielieves In
Christ. What is the una:. In.; of Chnt? The
Anointed One in ether words, the Messiah.
1 have coined a word whli h I use
ly in sermons, and which 1 have put into
some of my book.-. That worii Is 'Jlesia n."
It is not In the dictionary. 1 would :sj th it
you. Doctor Mcmhs, as an orthodox Jew,
were a 'Mei-Min' that you llleve in the
Messlan. So eh. 1. I call him Chi 1st. but he
is the Me-luh th Atiolntid one. so that
lie corresuiiis to Ihe Messiah. We l.h
neve in tt.e Messiah. 1 translate tht- II
iiii-w worn i.irougn me- ineK into nns -
I tun. but if I retained it ill i's lit brew f rm
Jit would bi 'Ui-.-.-i. n.' I nev.-r knew- anv
one to use that word but nUM-if. and I siv 1
that inv lit brew biotln r who believes int
the Messiah and mv-elf ,u- brothers In
faith, and by means of thi; we are one in
Christian thought and in Christian Ml.iu
ship. 1 hold with Pex-tor He in.nsu.Ii.-r tint
the Jew has Ihe Ke-nn of Tin- faith that wo
have-, but we have developed it more fully
than the J.w. I hold that the true Jew is a
Christian that Judaism is tl;.- gray tl.ewn
of the morning. Christianity is the full
fpl.-ndor of the noonday stir. 1 have no un
kind feeling lunard my llel.ri vv brother. I
fe-e! thai I am a lit'Ie further on la the sun
shine, and I int. til to enc urago him to
e-ome Into the sHitiSliiiio a ditto more with
me. I call mvs-.lf a e'hnstiin. and 1 .-ail
tile orthoelox J.w a Messian.' and. as I
have said I e-fore. when von annlvz.
words you will see that one is ll.br. vv ami
the other Greek, and they in. an -. telly the
same thine. The devout Hebrew, le-heviiig
in tile .Messian, and the devout Christian,
believing in the Me-sian, though ca'line; the
'Mt -slab' Christ, call shake hands as
Habl i Mind-s: "I think our conceptions of
the Me-.ssiah vary greatlv. That is. I iliij.li
It is quite corte-i t to say th et tile Messf.iii
in the main was aiwavs titnlerst.HMl to be
not superhuman, but a man. A man in
the llesh. but called Anointed (Messiah l
fmm tin- fact that ho was to have sover
eignty over tho Jews, and tliat. I think, is
one of the perplexities) which tilled the Jew.
ish mind when Jesus eif Naz.-ir.-th appi.ir.sl
and claimed to l.e the Messjih. The sover
eign feature was wanting ,n him. The Jews
were then ground under the heel of the
i Ionian tyranny- were dving for the appear
ance of their Messiah -but their -..n. .ptloti
of the Messiah was of a man- a leader who
should take the Unmans bv- the throat and
throw them out of the land. This can bo
verified even In the New- IVstament. whero
It is said that the Koman soldiers placed a
mr.ck crown on Ids head, on which was
writte-n. 'Tills Is Jesiw of Nazareth. Uex '
It was In derision of his claim that ih!
was done. The Jewish . one-option was not
thit he was coining to save their souls
but that he was a lineal descendant of
their royal house -a king, an anointed man.
S... you s1(.p t,.,t wv ,i,rf, r fr,,m ,,lt
Christiana in our conception of the Mes
siah." Doctor MacArthur: "We differ regarding
till- e-s. 11. e. but w.- elo l.t .llfTer as to file
Ijoint I made a moment igo. th,. identity of
the Messian and the Christian. The terms
we diff. r in. but not as to the identity of
loaning between the tw... Y...1 would' put
less nun the weird "Me .sslan perhaps than
1 vee.ald I,.- .ii.M!..., ( ,,, lnto . .. '
Doctor Keniensin,,.,-: "What remarks did
you wish t., make alie.iit the creeds?"
Doctor H.-inen.Miyder: "I wanted to say a
wor.l I.lHitlt the ens .Is. Ik-cui... i like to
' n,V conservative sentiments. It Is n
the nature .if the muniiin mind to clarify
to airaiice facts in order, to pine,, them in "a
legular, connected system. We- observe this
In material tilings. For example, take the
flowers .f t tl... held. They an- very beauti
ful to look at. t-tlll. Individually, thev ire
IsolatM!. Hut the scientist arranges the- laws
that conn.s-t thorn. II. studies their pe-cul-larities.
th-ir omirnsi,e and relation. It Is
so in th.- Md, ,,. f astronomy Ant- ig
norant person i-an loo); at ami admire the
st-rs, but erne, who gets ti. studying the
laws of life and srnvity takes note of the
.volution of the star, and finally conceive
of th- staii-m f tin- .starry tlrniament .mil
develops th- science of astronomv. So nNn
is the lower intellectual world logical The
nligious ii-rson likes to i aIf v the fnets
thai -.re given to us In divine riv-lation
and .-.rr.inne them in a regular and system
atic order, and from that .sj.rlngs the de
sire lo form a creed, rr.un tiiat arises the
s-eb-m f th.s.l, gy. it -luius tiie svstim.-itlc
cunni.ti .f truth. The ortho.lox"p.lrtv as
I understand It. holds tint the JndsrnVnt
.ass.sl upon a man is not absolutely Dual
The final Judsin-i.t will take place "at the
end of tin- world, according to the teach
ings or Christianity. In that judgment a
man will lave m opi-nrtlinlty ti . tried
by the law tliat he had in tin- world."
"Toe liaptist Chun h do. s not sutiscrllte
Doe-te,r McArthur: "We subscriiie to nb
Manti.illy the ;am. thing. We mav differ
as to whether padgnnnt will lie pise,., at
de-ath or whether it will Is- a suln-isiuert
act. but we .ill agri-i- as to the e..n,.r.',i
truth which h.ii. ju.-t be-.ii expound. d
!octor Uonicnsnvder. "I merely meant
to sey that the ilnal ju.iginent is passed
iil-on ill.- fails submitted."
Doctor MacArthur: "It Is a we.ndcrful
e-emfort to know- tint the Judge of a! u,
eartli will be prepared to pass Judgment.
That Is an article in my creed for which I
am thankful. Wo elo not know- all the
facts that cnteT Into any nun's life a...
cording to our view. God is infinitely Just,
. l.-e .ill-. f,i,i-,i, ililll it-.
tM nil He will do all
Judge 'if all the I
ilutely right, and .
every circumstance of heredity of environ-
inent will lie taken Into account in the
linal Judgment passed upon every man
That to tr.e is a comfort greater than i
can express In words."
"Tell us. Mr. Memles. Jul how far von
as a Jew. subscribe- to these thi-ories1"
Kabbie Mendes: 'Absohitelv i think
with Doctor MacArthur tint the r-ti-t n,..
a man's soul lias been born Into a ce-crtain t
iKmy t.uuiu .-eriainiy nei ne countett ii.-tri-nicnt
il to that soul when its time c.jmcs."
"How far do you believe In eternal timi
ishment?" Kablii Mendes: "The term eternal pun
ishment I lake in a splrltuil sense. We do
not now- believe- in the flame and fins of
hell. Ve have no such creed among- our
J Poctcr ilacUUiurs 'No more do iro.
Ih"-tor licinensnyder: "Xor nrcessarily
"vv hat do you mean by m-essaril''?"
Doctor I:, int nsnydcr: "We don't s.iy
that it will nut be. It deic not ned to bo
iii;.eri.il Urn in m-etirdance with our inur
pnt.iiion -jf the Scriptures."
llabbi blende-. "Now, vvliat effect would
ma'-rlal liaiiit-s have upon a spiritual ovist-
"You must localize hell."
Do tor MacArthur: "I do not know why
we must. I have already s.ud lh.it while
1 belitve that there mav ! a place- ftir
i eternal punishment, in my opinion It is I
more 01 a state anu etinuiiion rainer man t
Doctor Pemensnyder: "It Is not neces
sary to pn-dieate a lin-aiity "
Kabbi M-n-les. "It must Im somewhere, of
coiitsc. Cati ou tell u-i where we are
SOillg to lie'."'
Ioe-tor .MacArthur: "I have always held
tii-it if a man liven a righteous life ho will
i iinti nis neaven nere.
1 have always held
th it In proporllun as a
! will hud h-II h r-."
man is wiL-ke-el lie
I 'tutor Hemensiivdt r: "May I "-k you.
Mr. Men-bs. is th. r' a itr-ms fee line In
t JudaiMii ai:aliiHt a man who eie-seils the i
Kabbi Mendes: "We are apt to took up
on sin h a one as) a reiieuai.e and a de
serter for worldly advantag. . We t!o not
underluko lo pronounce a spiritual Imu (or
Doctor MacArthur: "I want So e-alt at
tention to a i -w word, whleh 1 have, and
which I think eiercrllics tiie- condition of a
Kn-.il m.iriv men. It Is found In the Slnd
Doe-tor Ki-inenmyder: "Doctor MacAr
thur is a specialist on new words, von
Doctor MacArthur: "Tt.n word Is 'miriag-
nostle. It Is a word we- greatiy in i d. Many
uien an- n.-lllier aguosucs nor jio-iie-s. in
th.- early history of Christianity, in
the Thml Century. I think, then- was a
F1 et called nostIcs, Prof, ssor Huxley cave
lis the word 'agnostic.' He coin.-d that word
b'C.iu-o ho said that in many of the e lub
to i. Inch lie b l..ngo-i the- iii-n U"-eel a gn-al
many title", eif various kinds, but. h- sail.
th..t he himself was without "a rag of a
title." ami s. he eohio.1 ihe word 'agnos
tic' as the opim.-iic of 'nostle' of the eaxlv
e'liristian e-enturi. st Jo ph Cook reached
the conclusion that we ne- ded a new word.
litH-ause. he said, a threat many mm v..-ie
not agnostics, and neither did they ci.uni
to be- nosttcs. Ho a-k.-l the late Io lor
Mci'eeh it lie i ould mill a wont that would
express lie- altitude ot the gnat niajmity
of ni.-n on religious topics. Doetor Me-Costi
tiioueiit a moment and said, "l-t me g.-t
my Cn-i k Te.slami til.' H eild s., and li
Hot til.- word 'Ultras.- ".Now. he said, 'all
u want to do is to adJ "nostics." ' and
Hi. y tlld so, and made 'iniraiiostlc.' and
that is one of the be-st inMitions to Im-Kiiistii.-
.science that we have had in many
a day. Now, as for injself. I am only a
'miranostic.' I usually tind that the iin-n
who call themselves 'agnostics' are nothing
men- nor less than 'mlrlagniistics.' "
Doctor K.-niensnyder: "1 know no more
than eiu do on those great Inscrutable sub
jects. Whatever I have tieard of the higher
crliiii-jn his lever taken tirm hold nor
bUt"tt(i in shaking my wun.
"Faith In what'."
Doctor Utmeii-rivd. r: "Faltii In the fact
that there is a God That this GisI is my
comfeirt and mv aid. I have a simple, child
like lalth in this divine n .till v Hut has
lus-n l...lieved In by .-v.ry one irt.m thei l-
eiritiin of th.- world."
Do- tor MaoArt.iur. "Mv Impre-yslon Is thai j
., .. 1.. . In. .11 ..... .. '
tin re are very lew nan no ...o iiiiviu.iiidi
s-k. ;ii. st."
Iiistor lion.cn-rvder: "1 hero Is .mother
IMiint, and thai is tliat rhap.s tho most e-x-aii.-.l
minds of the- world have been phil
osophers, and ih. y naturally give scientllic
tr.-.tin. nt 'to these ercat thnugths."
"Faith is a tliim; which tin. avemno man
cannot ur.dirst .n.l. 1 would like lo liavn
Doctor Mendes tell me what argument
he woul-1 use If lit wanted lo convert mo to
Kabbi Mendes: "I think I would appeal
to your Intelllgenc-o Hist, and ask you:
nuding ve.iirs.df a unit in tho midst of a
pre-it world like this, and see lint In that
world so iiihiiv Instances of wiso conten
tion, wise oe-e:iitioii and loving: care, will
rot thai compel oU to nckiiowledgo tiio
.Supreme Ileitis, who niraim-d all this tho
urclillc. t of it all -in otin-r words, Ood.
"Do veu deny evolution?"
Kabbi Mendes: "Involution. In my mind.
Is simply Gill's wav of working; that is
all. I do u-i lell.-ve thai things started
tl emselves from mi "nil -l.ilKirated
thcias.lv. .,: Uielr .wn volition '
Admitting evolution, the se i- lultie theory
of evolution, and Dguring Ih.u .-volutloii
oidcreil and aiisw.n-.i oj .""". '","
ible tor you to believe that trUobito
, ..1 . ceil VVli.-ll .l.H-S IIIC SUI iieiiii, .
Kabbi Mendes: "It Is very l!lciilt to wi
when the lntuilte soul benlns. That Is alvo-lut.-lj
he yoiitl our e oiicptloti. nor lues It
ciicrn us at all. We fe-1 that wo have a
soul. nd that Is nitticient for tin.
D.-tor P.etneiisnyder. "I e-ntirt-lj agt.-e
with ln.-t.ir Mendes' s- .statement that evo.u
tion I- simply the ni.-tliod by wh.ch God
produces the result. We have made, in ni.v
lU-mniciit. an enormous blunder. If God
has implanted In Ihe g.-rni ..rtain posibill-
lbs of .leveloptneni iin-n- '- " - -iM.se
on ins part tli.m if be created sntn
and women, and oth.r ar.itn.tbe by a word
in a moment. We h .ve ionf..uud.tl the law
in a verv u: clcntllle waj. with the Hl.n..t
1 of .i li'w-glv.-r. Lew is the name for the
manner In which we nave utu-t-i tot e-nit-fotce
to work. I-ivv implies a lawgiver.
j;voliition Implies an evolutioner. law Is
not a force, but a form; it Is not a motor,
hut a motion. With that conception the-n;
Is a true and Just evolution, and the de
v.miest believer in God can accept eyolu-
tion with the utmost simplicity and eir-
nestness of fith."
"Is there anv one thing in which jou g'-n-tleiuen.
n-piesenting three distinct cree-ds
and all eirtlieub x. Is there any one th ng
excepting the Messiah, in which jou dif
fer?" Doetor MacArthur: "I answer for myself
that we have nn any."
Doctor Mendes: "I think thit the e-entral
personage eir Christianity l. Je-us Christ,
and the dlff-renee between DiKtJr MacAr
tiiur and myself is as to his divinity."
"Of course, vrsi deny tiie divinity of
Christ, but vnu" accept the coming of the
Messi.ih. a man"
Doctor Jtemcnsiivder: 1 tntns there Is
this distinction hotWen us. V.m might say
that the Jew- believes in the Pe-rs.mal Goel.
believes In morality und bellevca in eternal
happiness through a riKhteous life. There
la a dlstiactloa .there. I tela. In ttat .Ciuls.
DOCTOR MacARTHUR. RABBI MENDES.
tlar.l'y 'i--.!s fir doetrl- e thit nlv-ti-.n t
lie t Mi. ; t .i pi....'-, fu.-ir- is d.-ti rmin. 1
bv h.s i 1!. f We .. ti- t v by Ui .t an li
te Ib--u.il t. 1! -f, but a living ri.-e-j ti-m of
the irnih We lnli.-ve as w.-ll as the Jew
tli.it a mill must live a c.,d llf, in eud-r
! In- saved, but ln.ld more emphatically
than the Jew tliat faith Is the i-ss.-uti.il
thine;, the deiermiiunt? e-lein-nt in a mun"s
eh iracter. i.n.i tli rough that the .le termin
Ing . lenient in bin future happiness or niis-
D.K-tor Ma -Arthur: "Faith crvntaltzes In
te. a ru.-ht-.u- lit.-. Th-r.- m..v b-i an e.rtho
iex faith that Would be v.ry unorthoelnx."
I HM-tnr lti'll .til' 1mi-- .'It,., tli.. .,..-...11..
claims that Abraham w.is saved through I
faith -that Abraham liell.-ved In Gtel, and1
b. says that thiot.gh faith Abraham heard '
ti.e e-.tll of t;.i. and went to a strange eoun- I
try. not know 'tig he;e h- w- nl. He trusted
to results God was phase). That is fn'th." ;
"A iiiestlon was brought to my mind by j
what Doe lor Keim D.-ny.ter w:.s ju-t s.t.vintr. i
If a nian who has no In be f or n-. rtileioii. I
and has n cuts!, but yet Hi. a a pe rfcetly j
richte.ti.s lif.-. .tti that in in le s-cil"" j
litH-tor K-ine'ii.siiyde-r: "Thai iucu-in has
lie. ii atiswen-tl a. crd i tip: to my e on. e-ption.
Tin- repl that ! made was thai .tutu a m.m. I
if 1..- lived a pc-rlceily iii;htesjus life, could I
be saved. I
"I elo not think tliat there I any one here
vvh- would condemn that mall to eternal
i -.i .r .ti... -,i i ritei . i ....- e.t.t ... ii..-.
whit loll meen by nunlsbiuent. SumK.se
i. . i. .... !...... .,t t.n.... .. ... t.,.t
th .1 I Like a comuiinv of men freun the
slums who have eiv.el .11. -s lives, and we
have a pr.iv.r meeting That press
ing is Hi llls-illle lo such men. Til"
l-i get out of it They want to 1
f r in it. Ti.ey do not nn.te rstand
.-t th- v ut.ii.-rst .r.d it ee. io;h : st.ovv thai
it is .mt of h.i'tr.i.ir. with ll. ii spiril-al
llv.s and wiih all t' . Ir t.-i-ies. Now if such
is-rs.iiis were br-uiglii fi.un my praer mett
liuc into what we .all heaven. Il would be
h.-ll to them. Th.-y vveeutd want to get
awav. Th. have not HUtlicietit knowlc.igo
to kneivv how much tht-y have lost.
K.t.t.i Mendes: "Is Hd thai questiexi nn-sv.eie-.!
bv the fact lh.it the man would not
ls ..lone- in the contcmiilalliiu of these
tlumi.s. tluit on -very ib- h- would see
nuinlirs wlio do enjoy those things which
an lK-yeiltd him. and lie vv.uld naturally
enough ask himself. Why -lo 1 n-.l? and
w.ci il therefore !' compel. .1 aitlliisl u
.i.-t.finit.Htce .. teer-k .if something in
character or makeup, vvht.-h pi.-vctits him
fr.-m etijojinc this, and that 1 Uiin.t would
be- i.i itself a punishment?"
"Hut tli.it d-.es not e irry iut the encep
tlon of hell al all. We lalk alwiit eternal
piiiiisliinent. It is supposed to entail tre
im : -1..U3 suffering '.""
Do tor MacArthur: "My conception of
piitiisiini.-nt. jou kn-iw. Is a little elifferent
from tint vulvar. p.q ular, i-tern.il punish
ine nt of whle-li we have spoken."
"Then jmi are nol orthodox."
Iies-ior M icArihnr: "Oh. yes. W. do not
mem .my literal hell tire, but wo believe In
s'liiH-tblng that can be compare.1 to that."
"Ie. y.ni iM-lleve In literal hell lire. Doc
tor Kemensndi r?"
D.-e t-.r Kern.-!, mi de-r: "It vvoulel not repre
sent .-ur isitiim tmlv t sty that we .lid.
ou i .iiinot l.unl.-h nn ir.e.H-ent man. Yeeii
e am nl keep the -niiltv man Irmn punish-,
mint in th' I'f.- ..r i.i the- lite t.. ..mi.-. We
l.-fu-e- t le Hue tlds unlshmciit in 'It- gross .
mat. i.al way. Tho druiiKard Miners mini
"Can jou punish .ui ignorant man""
D'Htor Mm-Arlhur: "No man is - igno
rant tint !tr .-ttuii.t mid. -si.nid the lit1'', r-
e-tl. e tstwesll eiellle-nt.ll ' riglit .i:id VVIellg.
'IIi.-t. n. Vi'l wast slle-b a 111.. 11 "
"We will take the st.it. ii-nts of super
natural mtiiiiiMi-ey. Fur insl.in-. , we wi'l
take tin: Illustration of Jonah and tho
Die-tor Kein.nsnyder: "I believe the nar
rative of Jonah to ! a literal fact. Now a
great many tmld Hint It Is an allegory, and
they liavo a tight to hold si, but I believo
that, aside from the Individuality of tho
stati ments. the di-talls Into whicn it io..s,
with regard to the miracles make in- be
lievo tli.it it is a literal f.itt- It is one of tho
most comforting things in the Itibl.-."
"Well, the lisli that could do that doei
not exist. Science proves tliat there never
Unhid Mendes: "It docs not prove thit be.
cause M-lencc h'ts not yet come across, that
lilsh tie re never was such a tiMi."
IhM-tor MacArthur: "I Ik lie-ve that the hls
lon. ny ot lb.- Hoik of Jonah h. s not yet
be. n disproved. I think ttti.it tl.-' discov
eries of modern s-le-n.-e- go imin ni-i invme
to shew- tt.e .ssl'.ji!y of l!us fot. I - tw
in the libholi Mllselll-l, in ti iv.att, the
skeb ton of a tisu ii-hi .-..ul 1 have hill tvo
Jonahs wbh mt any trouble, and is to Hi
possibility of his IIvIiik f"" a 'nimbi r d
hours In Ihe ! el.y of the hrli. that wmll
not h-ive ben in.ue weiii.J.-rful than thiu-.-s
that have- tak.-ti pl.-ie-e iiu-le-r most e-.tr. Itil
s.-b-nl".c olis'crvatlon In Indli. W.- it ne ti.e
proof of a man buriisl un.l.-r ground f--r a
longer period than Jonah was suppose j t,.
le- in the lw 1I.V of the great tbh. and he w-
brought out again anil suftcrc.l no iiarni.
He was in a niesnieric condition."
"The jtn-at tl..iur Is faith. I t ik- tt. I
mean to saj. rtgtit ctiiidue t Is of no titan""'
lMe-t..r M.ec.vtthur: "I shoul i iy tt.it
wh re liable is right conduct thee, is no b..d
"If a man bads an evil llf.-. s t. stmt
out from the pn-seiHe..f God '"
iM'tor Mo-Arthur: "i Until he will ufTr
from depnv.iti.nl. No man .an ,-i.e .. -i-
si. li. be. a-is.. he -Iocs n,.t ki-w .ill the
fill ts. ..ml that Is where I com- li.uk the
scilptun- that I tefer In. that the jnit-c of
-all the earth would do right."
Doctor Kemensiiyder: "H ippines.n and
glory will certainly Ik- In lb. p-cs.-n.-c of
Gj-t. aid those- who are kept away from
his prest-inf! suffer from the dark and the
"Now. you are an nrthevloic J-vv. in n't
you? What do jou understand by eternal
Rabbi M.-n.les: "We have not M: if i-ba of
the place- of th. burning the sulihur tl -mi s,
i ti . f- r the punishment of c.e w k- .. N.-r
are ye certain as to Just how the .-v:l ufe
that a mm l.tis Its I In this world wnl bnt.s
him punishment. We do hell, ve tli it the
n. in wh- his sinned knowingly tvil. le l.p.
t.i : orry for It In the world t . - m -. but
tint by ii"-ir:vinr of t'i" s..u In- -vit' e till.-
iter to tind Tiave-R. t ri- a ti't- M'tj-r
In spiritu-il lif'-. ard s catch up wi'h th- so
th it are ahead of Ji!m."
"There ure indie ti .ns wbl-h l"a-l yeiu to
liellevi- thai If yo'.I are' u rlghn ous in m and
ii consistent Jew yon will bo prjperly n
w.inlcJ, and that if you are not a rigiitesius
man. and If you an not a consistent Jew,
ItabM ilcnilca: "l do not taow; but I XaQ
you win ie punisnesi
to s-e t7-,e necessity for such knowledge. I
think th if we sh-mld ! ave the s'lape of 'he
r.-w inl n t..- hai.ds of the Almighty. "One
World at a time' is our m uto."
"Has .I.i I.il ni tioesitnt til-ire liberal?"
Kabbi .Men I. s: "Yes, decidedly."
"Doctor K. rr.ensynder mad., certain state
ments, te-n.ght that he v.ould not have
thought of .six years ago. Now. If six e-ar
can el., this with I.ctjr itemensnyder. what
will the n.-xt six e-..r.s do? Where will be
the eve-nun! diff.r-iK-e iHtwet-n Judaism
arid Christianity T'
-K-ibbi Men .e-s: "Welt, of c-mrsv. I am not
a prophet. Theie does appear v. itlim the
last tw. nty-!lv-e years to have Is. n j. grad
ual crumbling iway of some of the bar
riers n aliolitlon of th- elivieiine line. sii. h
as is shown by the trials lor hir.-sj-. This
coininetice-s to sin.vv that they are shaking
at the gates bt-fArn the in. which I think
ver.;ually wilt K-ad to a clarinK away of
a pre t many ef these divisions. There is
eventually goli.sT to lie a c!.a.-inf: up of
"H-iw alvout the cominir form of Juda
Itahhl Mendes: "In Judaism there are dif-f.-reM-.-s
ainong e.urselves. whit-h I nilicnt
"Hut yu d not think that that any
ritualistic question can have any effect up
on the salvatl n eif a man s soulT
bin Ab-nde-s: "We tvelleve in Hie ncees-
I cati- r..e a ri-ri?f-.iis utm foti w .. nolo in in..
. -- - - ..---- . -- -----
I theory of the niturn tee Paradise. mi kneew.
On Th. iminortailty of the soul we all agree.
The inaje-r tUfferences are ne-r.- mitt'
taiN. such as the music in church. -! .
"Then the linal conclusion which yon
time :ne-n would naturally come i.. w-iil.i
, be thi: Tiie religion of the future will dim
ply Ik- an illumiiiate-d intelligence.'
Kibld Mendes: "An ilhl.nln.ited Intelii-renc-e
with work, as our friend winild trail
it- I think tli.t one imp!ls the other."
"V.m fe.-l. .in ye. u r.ot. that IW'or ltem-
cnsnjder as a Lutheran, Doctor MacArthur
as a P-aatlst and vim
Jew hat- e-qiial
elwincca for the life to come, if all
straizht and s-iuire and If all live up to tho
ideis thit th.-y have? Wet r.e'd not neces
sarily !e Jewi if we w.ir.t to have an equal
Kabbi Mendes: "We havo all an equal
chance. Yes. if we profess."
"I do not say profess. l'rnfesiniT means
notbinc I ,..,iil ttri.fess m l .. t-,ini-liin!in
j and still be an lrlhm.in."
Rabid Mendes: "l!y that I mean conform
ing'." "l!ut we tice.1 not conform to nny crcet!.
we need not snl-ecrthe to any religious !
lief to share In tho happiness of the life to
Kal.ld Mendes: "You would havo nn equal
chance with the creedtsts."
"The-n. what on earth Is the use of being
a Jew? What ts the cense of tieinc a Chris
tian? Why. In the name of heaven, should
unyleody subscribe to a cres?.!?"
Kabbi Me-n.ies: "Itee-anse I think thnt a
man's mind naturally seeks some knowiedgo
of man's relation to his- maker. Tho Jew
thinks ho Ins an Idea of !od."
"Then an agnostic has as good a. chance
as you have?
R.i'.M Men.Ies: "Positively, as reganls his
eh nice Is fore the Judge In the life to
"V." v do to-! bottler to 1-c a J.-vv"
K.'-bi Met 1- "I am b..r-i iJnv'"'
"Th it no t s nothing. Y..u tinght have
be a bore i I"retn-hm..ii or a Get man; but
w. .t-- :. -is-mg n-i.t n. You must eIl-
ara'-- r.ic.- fr..ni re iI r
1. . '.I M. -it - "eYi a ui race and religion
an .i c a- d I- s p ra' !- "
npl use i Jew leave h's faith. Ho can-
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CALTJIOS is put lfeev yej on its ni-rits a!'.ne.
scenrily rt-juirjd. No CM. I. or l?posit -,-hme.
S-nd 11 1 vcur name and ttddr-sv, and ""h- V.-i v. h' Cn. tvi't r.il yeaeniiu?h"CAl.fIIOS"touist
fire days. IT WILL Kii i:NT IN A MJAUiU I'ACsTAdE BV .MAIL. In the UKt of ycair hoina
ywicaa try itand'eovibatit d.es.
All orre-pnadence rrtatim; to the "CALTHOS" de-pa rtroe-nt tt c-ur business is strxtly cocGelential,
Wc neither publUh nor tarnish testimonials. Address appuatlens lor trial treatment lo
JHEVONMOHLj:OMPANY.562 B,jCincinnaU. 0.1SrttS8Si
r. !e-ive his ra- e Suppose he abjure h!l
t :b and If -.-me a K.epiist? Well, what
l.:'is; s In- hini ."'
labln Mei. ie-s: "He Is .a deserter. That is
"What chance has he In the life to come?
Kabbi Me it-tree: "I p.isa that question."
"Hut von must answer that question."
Kahhl .Mendes: "We leave that to the- At-
raigh'y Jml,.. who has all the facts." ;
"When Is ho to Jii-lue. and on what rvi-
K.il.ld Men-tea: "Tho ovlelence of theti factl
kn iwn to h;m."
"Not at the end e.f the weirldr
K.ibM Minde-st: "About tiie end of thit
W I Id."
Moil abso'ut. !y tlo rr tlnallv condemn
j ar.v man h lives a mor-vl aid an honest
j lite Wheih-r he lie a J.-w or a Gentile,
j wceth.-r a i. r.ega.ie J. w or a recrgide Gen-
tile, in has fii; a cntmeer'
I UnhM .Ie-r-le-s; 'ts, h- has a chance s a
i far as I know a coi-i chance."
.REVIVING THE LOST ART
Jumbte-maklng Is almost a tost art.
1 bile ihere sull aie women in the country
woo keep aji ihe traditional methods of
t'oie.niai housewivc ot making theso
cakes there an- t vv. if any.
Ne.v York who know anything
.-lout it. It r.-ally ts little trouble lo maku
ii era m hc-me.
Put ,. .'.."i-islze-1 cup of nice- butter In a
J.irge earth, u bow',, add two of the same)
up. ,ils m gianuiatesj sjgar. and le-at the
Uiu-r and sugar with a large silvtr forte
or spoon until tr.e mixture is like a thick:
ere.un. Add four fresh eg-s and lio.it th-v
lntr. dtenis together to a toum. a.M a ltttl.i
gland nutmeg ir grated lemon i-el, stir
rii.g .1 v.-I! v.Ith tne mixmre- then mtil :t
I c-upiul eif sue. t n.ilk. blending It well wit it
Ihe oilier lngrc.he-.ts. Ne-Xl stir in six cup
fuls eif slfte.1 Hlj-, in which three heapinc
tabli-sepoonfuis of t.ikinp; tiowder have le.':i
mis.-l. This will lonn a light dough, which
musH be put in tho middle of a well-lloured
m-.l.Iinsr lnvir L i
Take two larc baking: pans and etust
some- flour insiue of iheir. Now quicklv
aiid Hshtly r--Il out the d-.tigh to a thin,
paste, not more than a quarter of an Inert
thick, llavo a r:n.r cutter, which, when it
cut', leaves a h-.Ie In th- middle of each
cake. With a thin, broad cake-turner lift
each rill.: separately, laying; usido tho
round piece from the middle.
Nov.- take a soft brush or a feather anil
dip It lightly In the lieaten white of an egg;
ai.d varnish th top of each Tins; with th.v
tee. Sprinkle ot.r this a little tine granu-lit.-d
sugar; place the pan in a rather quick
oven and tkike ur.nl the cakes ara a dell
cite brown. Jum'.-ies must not be btikel
lark brown. Much judgment Is required,
as they may in fome ovens tako ten mtn
ut. s end in other.- fifteen.
While your first pan of jumbles is Hiking;
roll ..ut. cut and Mil the other pan with
them, just as you did the rirst. Then thev
will be n arty lo put in the oven when thn
ilrst infill is done. Repeat this process un
til ih.- .touch s ,, us,-1 up.
Wh.-n the jiituldi s are thorniighlv cold
Mw off the fonir wh5 h idlieres to th-t
e.ik-s .in-1 put th. -ii aw in a stone cro- k.
Th s enti ti. eioiio at an time Hie -lay thev-b.-
Tiie en: r- ivrfc of m.ik.'nc and baking
th. - i :n,!-'. - v..". rot tiki- an hour. Tho
nt t-r -is ii--l w-'T i. it c-o--t ove-r c5 cents.
I ut v.. . wii! have t.r-y times the inimint ei
eromc-itt out of t m. J. DC R.
Will Be Suvz to Accept.'
1' M fell
He-yl enrrrc!!- this annou-crra-st made hy one r.f tan
Ijreatest and rkliest i"ipnin!r firms ia the United
Mates. H.-cl the wisetvonlswrittenhc-rr.andaccrpt
ttegrc r.us.,Ctcrm.iiIejM!. Y'ouhavc theepponuntty
tole n--t .resl cr nic-re tonJnist health and tuppinefs.
Aarpl it n-m-. Korrt put it off until it is tto late.
K.ic-the E-rtidoeicn in this osmtrve CALTHOS, tins
jj.-eat 1'nTi.l pre-it--eti:in fer 1-st'Manh.tsl, the Von
h! Leaipanj-, ol Cincinnati. I) has achietcel marvel-sis
results. I.tore than llO.UXl cures have beta
xazuc in- rasr tear.
IXore Prof. Ju'xslatyvd. the famctis Frcactj
S;i.jlist. bnxight hiedtVoverY.CALTrlOS, ta
tlieltn.v-s-cii'ecltherirlil.the lrst physiciant
denied that any medicine knoern b science could
reM..re the Tital fcrces " men il rnce lost
is thegri".tte.t sensata-a in the medical we-rld to
day. Tiictares naile bv CALTHOS many of tho
caof v-ears standing- haie attracted the att-a.
ti-es medical men everywhere. TheNational Medi
cal Hoard h-ev. reci-iaTimenJesi the remedy tvr use ia
Insane Vsvliimr,wberr,as veeit loior.n, a majority eif
tl mIe inm-itts are victims UIa.t manhoud in
its cti.st terrible fen-i. breuzht im bj- abusen and
youthhil error. In Kjriii the remedy is endorsed
Iv the X-'rench and lntrtn.in iroTrnments,an.l is
u-oa as a sj-ti:.c in tfce trreat Mainline armies
eit thesecountriertar.d jrene-rally in all tbef.-imo-is
w &.iaitanuias anu xeevrcau ti tne nw WerM.
1 The Von .Moht
Ccmruny hat elc
cieleil that every
man in America
who is uiferitt-y '
trom Leist Man.
beid, shall haTO
to try oat this
5 days' trial treatmeni
jt CALTHOS in hi
oAiiindiriduatcase-. K -r that pnrpese they hava
rxiitty i-npc.--.eil Jteti.fee) special e-day treatment?,
touiteawav asa t. it.frreof any charge whatever.
ancocelr. vv rarf
leads arc ua-
CAI.TIIOS. -li'I tjre ard restore yen.
Iut it to II-; test, try t trre. there is ns