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Interview between the President and
the South Carolina Delegation-the
WASHINGTON.-June 24, 1S65.-A
delegation from Soul h Carolina, con- .
Histing of the following named persons,
had late this afternoon an interview,
3y appointment, with the President:
Judge Frost, lanac E. Holmes, Geo.
VV. Williams. W. H. Giililand, J. H.
Steinraeyer, Frederick Richards, Wm.
Whaley, James H. Taylor, William J.
Grayer, and Juseph A. Yates.
The President' said that it was his
intention to talk plainly, so there
rdight be no misunderstanding. There?
fore it were better they should look
each other full in the face, and not
imitate the ancient augures, who, when
they met one-Another, could smile at
their success in deceiving the people.
He said if this Union was to be pre?
served it must be on the principle of
fraternity, both the Northern and
Southern States maintaining certain
relations to the Government. A State
cannot go out ot the Union, and,
therefore, none of them having gone
cult, we must deal with the question of
restoration, anil not reconstruction.
Ile suspected that he was a better
States Rights man than some of those
Mr.Ho'mcs-You always so claimed
to be. (Laughter.)
The President replied that he al?
ways thought that slavery could not
be sustained outside of the Constitu?
tion of the United States, and that
whenever the experiment was made it
would be lost. Whether it could or
could not, he was for the Union, and
if slavery set itself up to control the
Government, the Government must
triumph and slavery perish. The in
stitution of slavery made the issue,'
and we might as well meet it like wisc
and patriotic and honest men. All
institutions must be subordinate to the
Government, and slavery has given
way. He could not if he would re?
matad it to its 'former status, ile
knew that some whom he now ad?
dressed looked upon him as a great
people's man and a radical. But how
ever unpleasant it might bo to them,
ne had no1 hesitation in saying that
before and after he ent .red public life
he was opposed to mono'polies and
perpetuities and entails. For this he
used to be denounced as a demagogue.
We had a monopoly South in slaves.
Though he had bought and held slaves,
he had never ?old one. From Magna
Charta we had derived our ideas of
freedom of speech, liberty of the press
and unreasonable searches, and that
private property should not be taken
for publie uses without just compensa?
tion. He had these notions fixed n
his mind, and was therefore opposed
to claps legislation. Being providen
tinily brought to his present condition,
he intended to exert the power and in?
fluence of the Gnvernment so as to
plate in power the popular heart of
He proceeded on the principle that
the great manses are not the mush?
rooms about a stump, which wet
weather supplies. Ue believed that
this nation was sent on a ?rest mission
-to afford an example of freedom and
substantial happiness to all the Powers
of the earth. The Constitution of the
United States, in speaking of persons
to be chosen as Representatives in
Congre ;s, says that the electors in
each StAte shall have the qualifications
requisito for electors of the most
numoro ;? brauch of t!-o Stato ? ogiabv
ture. Here we find n resting-plsce.
This was the point at which the rebel?
lion commenced. . All the States were
in the Union, moving in harmony; but
a portion of them rebelled, and* to
some extent suspended ?and paralyzed
the operations of their Governments.
There is a constitutional obligation
resting upon tbe United States Go?
vernment to put down rebellion, sup?
press insurrection and to Tepef inva- <
sion. The slaves went into the war
as slaves, and came ont as free men of
color. ' The friction of the rebellion
has rubbed out the nature and charac?
ter of slavery. The loyal men who
were compelled to bowVnd submit to
the rebellion .should, now that the re?
bellion is ended, stand equal lo ?oyal
men everywhere. Hence the wish of
restoration and the trying to get back
the States to the point at which they
.formerly moved in perfect harmony.
He did not intend to serve aoy par?
ticular clique or interest". . He would
say to the delegation that slavery is
gone as an institution. There was no
hope that the people of bou til Caro?
lina could be admitted into the Senate
or the Hotise of Representatives until
they had afforded evidence by tljoir
conduct of this truth. The policy,
now that the rebellion is suppressed,
is not to iestrore the Stnto Government
through military rule, but by the
people. While the war has emanci?
pated slaves, it <ims emancipated a
larger number of white men. He
would talk plain, as the delegation had
said that was what they desired. Ho
could go to men who had owned fifty
or a hundred slaves, and who did not
care as much for the poor wliite man
as they did for the negro. Those wdio
owrf the land have- the capital to
employ help, and therefore some, of
our Northern friends are deceived when
they, living afar off, think they can
exercise a greater control over the
freedmen than the Southern men who
have been reared where the insiitu
lion of,slavery 1ms prevailed. Now
he did not want the late slaveholders
to control the negro votes agaiust.
white men. Let each State judge of
the depository of its own political
power. He was for emancipation. Ho
was for emancipating the white ma..
?is well as the black.
Mr. Holmes asked:-Is not that al?
The President replied that he did
not think the question fully settled.
The question as to whether the black
man shall be engrafted in the Consti?
tution will be settled as we go along.
He would not disguise the fact that
while he had been persecuted and de?
nounced at the South as a traitor, he
loved the great mass of the Southern
people. He opposed the rebellion at
its breaking out, and fought it every,
where, and now wanted the principles
of the Government carried out and
Mr. Holmes interrup!ed by saying:
We want to get back to the same po
sition as you-describe, as we are with
out law, no courts are open, and you
have the power to assist us.
The President replied that the Go?
vernment cannot go on unless it is
ba*ed on right. The people p South
Carolina must have a Convention, and
amend their Constitution by abolish?
ing slavery, and this must be d?ne in
good laith, and the Convection or
Legislature must adopt the proposed
amendment to the Co'.stiiution of the
United States, which prohibits and
excludes slavery everywhere.
One of the delegates said: 'We are
most anxious for civil rule, for wo have
had more than enough for military
The Presiden^ resuming, said that
as the Executive he could only take
tiie initiatory steps to enable them to
do lbe> things which it was incumbent
upon them to perform.
Another o[ the delegates remarked
that it was Resumed in some parts of
the country jijat in consequence of the
rebellion tho ^?ntberr)"*6tateb bad for
felted their rights as members of the
Confederacy, and that if restored it
could only be on certain conditions,
one of which wa? that slavery shall be
abolished. This could be done only
through a Convention.
The President replied that the
friction of the rebellion had rubbed
slavery out, but it. would be better so
to declara by law. As OD? of the dele
gates had just remarked that the Con?
stitution of South Carolina did not
* establish slavery, it were better to
insert a clause antagoni?tio to slavery.
Judge Frost ?aid, substantially: The
object of our prayer is the appoint?
ment of a Governor. Thc State of
South Carolina will accept these con
ditions in order that law and order
may bo restored, and that enterprise
and industry may be directed to use?
ful ends. We desire restoration a9
soon aa possible. It is the part ol
wisdom to make the- best cf circum?
stances. Certain delusions have been
dispelled by the revolution; among them
that slavery is an element of political
strength and moral power. l[ is very
certain that the old notion respect?
ing State rights, in the maintenance of
which those who made ihe rebellion in
South Carolina erred, has ceased to
exist. Another delusion, viz: that
cotton is king, has likewise vanished in
mist. We are to come back with
these notions dispelled and with a new
system of labor. The people will
cordially co-operate with tho Govern?
ment in making that labor effective
and elevating tho negro as much as
they can. It h, however, more a work
of time than the labor of enthusiasm
and fanaticism. The people of the
South have the largest interest in the
question. We ate willing to co operate
for selfish, if for no higher motives.
We have taken the liberty, encourag?
ed by ^your kindness, to throw out
suggestions by which the policy 0/ the
Govern nient will be most surely and
effectually subserved. I repeat that
the new system of labor is to be
inaugurated by sober, sound and dis?
creet judgment. Tire negroes are
Ignorant. Their minds are much
inflamed with liberty. They are apt
to confound liberty with license. Their
great idea is, I fear, that freedom con?
sists of exemption from work. We
will take in good faith and carry out
your, intention with zeal, and hope for
the best; and none will rejoice .more
than the people o? the S^uth if
emancipation prove successful. Free?
dom to tho slave is freedom to the
master, provided you can supply a
motive for industry. The people of
South Carolina, from their fidelity to
honor, have submitted to great sacri
fices; they endured all. Wo are de?
feated and coiiquereu by the North,
j who are too strong for us. The same
good faith which animated them in the
contest will not be lound wanting in
their pledge ot loyaly support to the
Government. There may grow out of
this blessings which you have not
foreseen, and some pleasing rays now
illumine the horizon.. I suppose the
oath of allegiance will be taken with
as much unanimity in South Carolina
as anywhere else, and we will submit
to the condition of things, which
Providence has assigned, and endeavor
All discords harmony not understood,
And partial evil universal good.
' We cheerfully accept the measures
recommended, aud would tbapk you
to nominate at your convenience a
Governor to carry out the wishes you
President Johnson asked thc dele?
gation to submit whom they would
prefer to have as Proviso-al Governor.
To this they ie died they had a list
of five men, viz: Aiken, Mcllliley,
Boyce, Colonel Manning, late t-rover
nor, and B. F. Perry. All of them
were spoken of as good men, but who
had been more or less involved in the
rebellion. Mr. Perry waa a District
Judge in the Confederacy, until a few
weeks befbro it ro'tapsed and r paid to
have always been a good Union man
and a gentleman -ol' strict integrity.
The( people certainly would respect
him, and he could not fail to be ac?
The President said he knew Benja?
min Perry well, having served with
him in Congress. There was no spirit
of vengeance or vindictiveness on thc
part ol the Government, v?nose only
desire was to restore the relations which
formerly existed, ile was not, now
prepared to give them an answer as to
whom l;e should appoint. But. st tho?
Cabinet meeting 'next Tuesday he
would repeat the substance of this
interview, with a hope to tho restora?
tion which the gentlemen present
The delegates seemed to be much
pleased with the proceedings, and
lingered for a -rrTe time to individually
converse with the President.
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July 6 12
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the College Campu?, a large GOLD
CHAIN, which the finder will be rewarded
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COLUMBI A MALE S^W?L~~
rpiIE exercise of this SCHOOL, for ?he
-JL second session of 1865, will commence
on the 17ih of July, in the Sunday School
Room of the Marion Street Methodist
Church, the temporary use of which nehcol
room has been secured by the principal.
The numher of scholars will be limited.
Compliance with the regulations .>f the
school and close attention to study are
required, arid will be exacted, of every
pupil. Tuition will be at the rate of %.>()
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July 3 :i*
THE TERMS OF PARDON.
Proclamation by the President of the
United States of America.
Whereas the President of the United
States, on the 8th day of December. A. I).
1863, and on the 26th day of March, A. D.
1864, with the object to suppress the ex?
isting rebellion, to induoe all pe.-sons to
return to their loyalty and to rectore the
authority of the United States, ?SAUC pro?
clamations offering amnesty and pardon to
certain persons who had, directly or by
implication, participated in the said rebel?
lion; and whereas many persons, who had
so engaged in 6aid rebellion, have, since
the issuance of said proclamation, failed
or neglected to take the benefits offered
thereby; and'whereas many persons, who
have been justly deprived of all claim to
amnesty and pardon thereunder by reason
of their par.icipation, directly or by im?
plication, in said rebellion and continued
hostility to the Government of the United
States since the date of said proclamation,
now desire to apply for and obtain amaes
ty and pardon;
T? tho end, therefore, that tins sn th er i tv
of tbe Government of the United State?
may be restored, and that peace, order and
freedom may be celnblished, I, Andrew
Johnson, President ot the United States,
do proclaim and dec?ate that I hereby
grant to all persons who have directly or
indirectly participated in the existing
rebellion, except as hereinafter excepted,
amnesty and pardon, with restoration of
all rights of property, except as to slaver,
and except in cases where legal proceed- '
ings, under the laws of the United Staten
providing for the confiscation of property
of persons engnged in rebellion, have been
institute;!, but or, the c<?ndit!on, neverthe* .
lei-s, that every snell person shall take and
subscribe the following oaih or nfrirma
r.ior, and thenceforward keep and inu.n
tain said oath inviolate, and which onth
shall be negistered f<>r permanent f reser?
vation, and shull be of the tenor and effect
following, to wi':
I,-, do solemnly swear or
affirm, in presence of Almighty God, that
I- wiii henceforth faithfully supp"brt and
defend the Cott3t.itutiou of the United
States anti the Union of the States there?
under, and that I will in like manner
ahide by and faithfully support all laws
and proclam?t ons wliich have been made
during the existing rebellion with refer?
ence to the emancipation of slave?, ot?
ho lp nie God.
The following ciaea of persona are ex?
empted.from tho benefits of this procla?
1st. \U who arc, or ahall have beeD,
pretended civil or diplomatic officers, or
otherwise, domestic or foreign agents ol
the pretended Co'ifedersto Government.
2d. All who left judicial stations under
the United States to aid in the rebellion.
3d. All who shall have been military or
naval officers of said pretended Confede?
ra! c Government above the rank of colonel
in tho army or lieutenant in tho navy-.
.ith. All who left seats ii the Congreso
of the Uni'ed States to aid the rebellion.
5th. All who resigned or tendered recig
nations of their commissions ia the army
or navy of the United States to e~nde duty
in ri sisting the rebellion.
6th. All who have engaged in any. way
in treating otherwise than lawfully aa^sri
Boners of war persona found in the United
States service, as officers, soldiers, seamen
or iii other capacities.
7th. All persons who have been or are
absentees from the United States for the
purpose of aiding the rebellion.
8th. All military and naval officers in
the rebel service who were educated by
thc Government in the Military Academy
at West Point.or the United State-, Naval
9th. All persofia who he'd the pretended
offices of Governor of States in insurrec?
tion against the United S!nFT3.
10th. All persons who left their homes
within the jurisdiction and protection of
the United States, and passed he3-ond the
Federal military lines into the 60-called
Confederate States for the purpose of aid?
ing the rebellion.
11th. Ali persons who have been en?
gaged in the destruction of the commerce
of the United States upon the high 6eaf?.
and who have made raids into the United
States from Canada, or been engaged in
destroying the commerce of the United
States upon the lakes and rivers that sepa
rate't he British provinces from the United
St a t cp.
12th. All persons who. at the timi when,
they seek to obtain the benefits hereof by
taking'the oath herein prescribed, are in
military, naval or civil confinement or
custody, or under bonds of the civil, mili?
tary or naval authorities of agents of tho
United States, a? prisoners of war or per?
sons detained for offences of any kind,
either before or after conviction.
13th. All persons who have voluntarily
participated in said rebellion, and the esti?
mated value of whose taxable property is
over twenty thousand dollars.
1-lth. AU persons who have taken thc
oath of amnesty ns preser-bed in the Pre?
sident's proclamation of December 8, A.
D. 18i55, or an oath of alegiance ?to the
Government of tho United (States since tho
date of said proclamation, and who have
not thenceforward kept a nd maintained
tho same inviolate..
Provided, that special application may
be made to tho President tor pardon by
any person belonging to the excepted
classes, and such clemency will be libe?
rally ext ended as may be consistent with
the facts of the ca;,: and the peace and
dignity of the United States.
The Secretary of State will establish
rules and regulations Cor administering and
recording the said amnesty oath, GO a3 tr*
insure its benefit to the people and guard
the Government against fraud.
In testimony wn*pre*>f, I havq hereunto act
my hand and caused the seal of the
United States to be affixed.
Done at the city of Washington, the 29th.
day of May. in tho year of our Lord
1865, nnd of the independence of tko
United States the edghty-ninth.
By the President:
I WM. II SewARP, ctecrotarr c* B'a'e.
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