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DEBATE PLANS OF
GOVERNMENT ENGINEERS GIVE
- PUBLIC HEARING
ALL INTERESTS REPRESENTED
Hon. Will A. Harris Addresses the
Meeting on Behalf of Citizens,
Who Protest Against Pro.
Government engineers In charge of
the Improvements nt San Pedro gave a
public hearing relative to the proposed
changes In the hnrbor lines suggested
by the Southern Pacific, Snlt Lake and
Banning companies, In the assembly
rooms of the Los Angeles chamber of
commerce yesterday morning.
Col. W. H. Ileuer, Col. Thomas H.
Hanbury and Captain C. H. McKinatry
it tho engineering department of the
regular army were present, the first
two named having come from San
Francisco yesterday morning for that
The allied corporations were also
represented. Superintendent n. H. In
gram apearlng for the Southern Paci
fic, Thomas H. Gibbon for tho Salt
.Lake and, Hancock Banning for the
Banning company. Besides these
were attorneys and others Interested In
the plans of the corporations.
A large number of Los Angeles and
San Pedro business men were present
at the hearing. Members of the Har
bor league of San Pedro who attended
were: John T. Gaffey, Fred Lloyd, W.
C. Hogaboom, Charles Heintz, \V. W.
Burke, M. L. Campbell and F. W. Kel
\V. J. Wnshburn called the meeting
to order, and then Col. Ileuer briefly
stated its objects. He called on the
different Interests- present to present
their views on the question of a change
In the harbor lines.
Hon. Will A. Harris, Thomas E.
Gibbon, J.. A. Gibson, R. H. Ingram
and others addressed the assemblage.
Mr. Harris appeared for the citizens of
San Pedro, who are protesting against
the adoption of the plans proposed by
the allied corporations.
Mr. Ingram was the first to speak.
He said his company, the Southern Pa
cific, Is desirous to see the changes
made because they will afford more
dockage, which, in his opinion, is more
important than additional anchorage.
He stated that the lines proposed, if
adopted, will give' 17,500 feet of wharf
room. This, he said, will probably
meet all requirements of the harbor
for 100 years to come.
; Mr. Gibbon said the Bannings haid
consented to make large concessions of
land to carry out the proposed changes
in the harbor lines, that the Salt Lake
company had agreed to give 173 acres
of valuable land, while the Southern
Pacific, ha.ving only fourteen acres of
land to give at this point In the harbor,
agreed to expend $150,000 on Improve
ments. "While some questioned the
titles of the Bannings, said Mr. Gibbon,
it will take at least five years and a
considerable expenditure of money to
determine the case In the courts.
Attorney Gibson appeared on behalf
of the Banning interests. He said the
only objection, as far as he can see,
to the proposed change in the harbor
lines comes from San Pedro. He as
serted that the people of the harbor
town are laboring under wrong impres
sions when they say that the new plans
will tend to direct trade away from
Mr. Harris' Remarks
■ j Attorney Harris followed Attorney
Gibson. He declared there is nothing
In the titles to lands held by the Ban
ning Interests that should frighten the
government In prosecuting the former
plans for tho Improvement of the har
bor of San Pedro. He claimed that the
people of San Pedro and of all South
. em California are desirous of Improv
ing the harbor on broad and liberal
plans, bo that everybody might be pro
tected. It would be a grave mistake,
he argued, to fill In any part of the
inner harbor, especially where the con
templated improvements would" be in
the nature of improvements to private
interests at the public expense. He
"The people of San Pedro want the
, harbor lines fixed as originally drawn
by the board of engineers, and their
representatives are here to make strong
protest to the change proposed. The
Southern Pacific, the Salt Lake and the
Banning companies appear to . -stand
close together for the change. "We rec
ognize the great Interests of the com
.^.panles, and there Is no disposition to
Injure any of them. Tho associated
companies Bay they arc willing to make
valuable concessions of territory, the
title to which is In doubt, In order that
they may secure undisputed title from
th 9 government to a strip of land down
the center of the Inner harbor, a wharf
age where slips could not bo Introduced
and taking up space that would pre
vent auchorage of ships.
"The San Pedro people expect that
the dredging of the Inner harbor will
commence in the near future. They do
not hope to concentrate business oppo
site the town, but all are interested
in having the harbor lines remain as
first planned, bo that it will accommo
date business of the future and not
be under the control of any combina
tion of corporations.
"Two of the corporations now have
common interests. The Southern Pa
cific and the Bait Lake Railroad com
panies have common directors at leaßt.
I "Do not be overcome with the gener»
osity of the corporations that offer to
present bo many acres to possess un
disputed rights. Ilewaro of the Greeks
(Several brief addresses were made
PROMINENT FIGURES IN HARBOR CONTROVERSY
HON. WILL A. HARRRI9
by residents of San Pedro, R fter which
Col. Hanbury stated that It la an error
to suppose that the action of the en
gineers with reference to the harbor
linos will commit the government to
anything. All the engineers can do, he
said, Is to prep-ire and present a plan
for Improving the harbor, regardless
of any and all private Interests. In
fluences might be brought to bear on
congress, however, for certain appro
priations, but the engineers would ,In
nowlso be responsible for such action.
When the hearing concluded yester
day reports from the Harbor league of
San Pedro and a special committee ap
pointed by the San Pedro city trustees
were presented to the engineers. They
were as follows:
Reports of Committees
To the Hoard of United States Engi-
neers for the San Pedro harbor:
Gentlemen— The undersigned commit
tee, appointed by the board of trustees
of the city of San Pedro to appear be
fore you and express what we bellevß
to be the sentiments of the people of
San Pedro on the proposed changes In
the harbor lines suggested by the
Southern Pacific railroad company, the
Salt Lake railroad company and the
Banning company, has to say:
When your board met here last year
to establish the harbor lines as they
no\v exist, no formal committee was
appointed by the city of San Pedro to
appear before you. We felt thpn a«
we feel now and as we felt during the
long light over the location of the har
bor that your corps could be depended
upon to do what was for the best in
terest of the harbor of San Pedro, and
we have not been disappointed.
We appear before you In accordance
with your Invitation and at the re
quest of the board of trustees* of the
city of San Pedro.
The people of San Pedro take no nar
row, view of the question at issue. We
make no suggestion as to where the
work, on the : harbor should be done,
our only desire in the matter being to
have the line. established that the full
est benefits may be derived in the
future by those utilizing the harbor
for commercial purposes. '
At the present time 1 the three cor
porations above named claim' all the
frontage of the inner harbor, ' except
ing some portion belonging to the lum
ber companies. In .front of the city of
San Pedro and more :or leBS under
their control, and the only - portion
which remains < under control of ' the
city of San Pedro'ls the frontage on
the outer or deep sea harbor, which
will not be available .for commercial
purposes until the completion of the
The people of San Pedro do not de
sire to be understood as admitting the
validity of the above named com
panies to the frontage claimed by them
as tide lands, as grave legal questions
are Involved, which the courts will no
doubt be called upon to pass on here
The present change in the harbor
lines, suggested by the three corpora
tions named, will, in our opinion, cer
tainly not make the harbor more com
modious, as it proposes to fill In a
very large portion of the open water.
It surely will not make It safer, for
vessels, as It reduces the water area
to two narrow channels and leaves no
room for a turning basin, as proposed
by you; and It doubtless will not make
It free to commerce any more than it
Is now, as the allied corporations are
to bo the owners of the proposed
peninsula filled In the center of the
channel, as proposed in their plans.
On behalf of the board of trustees
and people of San Pedro we enter now
our protest ugatnst tho proposed
changes in the harbor lines as present
ed by the Banning company, the
Southern Pacific company and tho
Salt Lake company, on the ground that
this proposed plan In not In the Inter
ests of commerce or the purposes for
which the harbor Is being construct
ed by the government.
JOHN T. GAFFKV, Chairman.
WM. \V. BURKE, Secretary.
Harbor League's Views
To the Board of Government Engi
Gentlemen— The undersigned, a comm
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LOS ANGELES HERALD: WEDNESDAY MORNING, APRIL' t a,. 1905.
THOMAS E. GIBBON
JOHN T. GAFFEY '
ittee appointed by the Harbor Pro
tective league of Sun Pedro, desire
to enter a protest against the
application of the Southern Pa
cific Railroad company, the Salt
Lake Railroad company and the
Banning company to change the har
bor lines as already adopted by the
United States engineers, on the follow
First: Having explicit confidence In
the Integrity nnd ability of the United
States engineer corps, we are firmly
convinced that the present lines were
carefully considered before being adopt
ed and were laid solely with a view
to subserve the public interest.
At the time the. present lines were
established the allied corporations now
asking for a change were not able to
agree on a partition of the harbor and
presented conflicting projects. , Since
that time, however, a continuity of In
terest has been established and they
are now asking for a change in the
lines which will undoubtedly benefit
them enormously, but will, in our
opinion, be detrimental to the best In
terests of the harbor of San Pedro.
The proposed change will substitute
two narrow channels without providing
for a turning basin, and will* give the
corporations asking for the change ab
solute control of all approaches, thus
entirely cutting off competition.
It is suggested that the creation of the
fill in the center of the channel will In
crease the frontagp, but not any more
than If one wide channel Is created and
slips put on either Hide. Slips will
not be possible In either one of the nar
R. W. HILL, CHARLES HEINZ,
KARL STRAUESEN, M. L. CAMP
BELL, FRED W. LLOYD.
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Prosecution Elated Over Ruling of
Court by Which Books Are
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tofore been waged by the attorneys for
the defendant, for they havo confined
their efforts for several days past to
a number of apparently Immaterial
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United States Attorney Valentine at
tempted to introduce for Identification
the original books of the banks.
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tedious labor of Identifying the records
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the material points brought out In the
examination of Cashier Twogood.
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