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0 J1 lc"d V-Noj 237.-Pr.cc Five Cent,. OGDEN CITY, UTAH, FRIDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 4, 1912 Entered as Second-c,.,, M.tt.r at the P-ttfflc. Ogden, Utah. H
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kl I Ex-President Frankly Explains All Matters Asked
'f by the Campaign Investigation Committee
f I Says Senator Penrose Should Be Unseated
ill (EVER ASKED HARRIMAN FOR ONE DOLLAR
j I. Emphatically Denies That He Knew Anything of
V i Morgan Contribution Explicitly Ordered the
y I Return of Any Standard Oil Money
Washington. Oct. -I. "I asked no
Vlty ! man to contribute to the campaign
5 fund when I was elected preBident of
rn bS ! tlle United States, and I wish to ro-
nth'jtf : Iterate that Sir, Bliss and Mr. Cortel-
2c,j9f you both assured mo that no promise
jjffc had been made as a return for any
vrH contribution. Neither they nor any
q'jI one e having authority asked mo to
-hUm act or refrain from acting In any raat-
tiiM ter w"e was president because any
JB8 contribution had been mndo or wlth-
&K "Gentlemen, could I put It more
'tffi In these words Colonel Roosevelt
affl summarized his testimony today at
ijjg! the close of the first port of his hoar-
oonT ,ng before tho Clnpp committee of the
M senate Investigating campaign fund.
'infl e cJnel specifically denlod that
Mil! r ne had ever askod for contributions to
jjg hi 1904 campaign fund or that he had
15f,tj. known of any contribution by J. P.
MfilFl T theso unoqulvocal statements
Colonel Roosevelt added again that ho
!had ordered the return to tho Stand
ard Oil company of any contribution It1
had made In 190-1; that be had been
assured by George B. Cortelyou, "only
yesterday," that ho know of no such
contribution, nnd that he did not be
lieve Cornelius N. Bites had ever de
manded a contribution from John D.
Archbold or from any corporation by
any method of extortion.
Colonel Roosevelt did not deny that
corporations had contributed to the
.J.-JL904 campaign. Ho said his letters
"and published statements had always
acknowledged that fact, but he sped- j
fled that no such contributions had
every been obtained under any sug
gestion that tho administration would
rownrd tho givers with special favors.
The Progressive candidate for pres
ident was a forceful and emphatic wlt-
ness. Although direct from a cam
SM I paign tour of many weeks he appeared
lii in perfect health, and his testimony
fill. was punctuated by vigorous slapo
Si : upon tho arm of his chair and his
3Ji ' fcnee.
nl ; For two hours he talked and was
J" i Interrupted but half a dozen times
WlJ . with questions.
fillV Colonel Roosevelt's testimony brls-
!tled with characteristic statements.
"Senator Penrose should be driven
from the senate," ho declared, "be
cause of his acknowledged friendliness
with Standard Oil interests.
"Charles Hilles and Congressman
Bartholdt should be forced to prove
their statements that the Roosevelt
Primary campaign funds this year had
amounted to $3,000,000 or 54.000,000.
or should bo driven out of public life."
He declared, n6 had Senator Dixon,
his campaign manager. Wednesday,
that the senate committee's actlvltieb
had thus far been directed solely to
ward the Roosevelt campaign fujtda
and that no attention had been pain
to other candidates. He was assured
by Senator Clapp that representatives
of other candidates would be called
uyiM "before election."
lrjJl Washington, Oct. 4. Colonel
iTJjl Roosevelt arrived here early today to
lltl I be tho star witness before the Clapp
1 committee of the senate Investigating
RjJI campaign funds.
II He breakfasted with William Ixeb,
H Jr., formerly his' private secretary.
SiJSj Several hundred people were lined up
jl!. In the corridors of tho senate office
3wa hulldlng two hours before the time
M set for the hearing, hoping to get luto
Hit the little committee room with its cn
9B paclty for about 100 Seats had been
$ . reserved by Chairman Clapp for Geo. j
5f Reld, Australian high commissioner,!
itf." nnl Lady Rcld, who had been Roose
,33? ' volt's hosts abroad.
jfll? A murmur of excitement, conclud
es Ing with a choer, greeted Colonel
SK '. Roosevelt as he entered the building
iflla about five minutes before the time set!
jfjljl for his appearance.
'!litt Colonel Roosevelt learned this
njW morning that Governor Iladley of
p3j Missouri had declared In favor of
;&' President Tnft. He would make no
:5?6 comment upon the governor's action
fififf SOr wouh3 he express an opinion
tt upon tho nomination of Conpressman
Sulzer as Democratic cnndldale for
Hi ; governor of Xcw York.
,js? , Tho spectators applauded vlgor
'S , ously b Colonel Roosevelt entered
awt the room, followed by a secretary
im lugging a big valiEc filled with pa-
.$: Candidate for President.
2&'--'- "You wero a candidate for presi-
SSij! dent In 1904 V asked Senator Clapp.
S ! " "'ns," answered the colonel
i "George B. Cortelyou was chairman
of the committee that year?"
HAnd Cornelius N. Bliss was treas
urer?" "He was."
Senator Clapp asked Colonel Roose
velt if his attention had been called
to certain statements made bv John
"It has," replied Colonel Roosevelt
Senator Clapp asked tho colonel
what he knew about the Archbold
contribution at the time it was said
to have been made,
Tho colonel asked permission to In
clude in his answer the letter he sent
to Chairman Clapp, already publish
ed, denying that he knew of anv
Standard Oil contribution to the 1901
campaign at the tlmo It was made.
"In tho first place, gentlemen," he
said, "since I was elected govornor of
Now York, that was about 14 years
a-Jo, J have written and signed a
hundred thousand letters, so it is not
possible at once to recall the letters I
have written on any given subject.
Two Other Letters.
I "Looking through my letter books
since I wrote my recent letter to
Senator Clapp, I have found
two other letters bearing on
campaign coutrobutlons. One was
the letter to Cornelius N. Bliss In
190C, which I understood was recent
ly given to your committee: the oth
er a letter written to George R. Shel
don in 190S."
Colonel Roosevelt found thv letter
and hnnded St to Senator Clapp. who
' had It placed in the record. At tho
chairman's request Cdlonel Roosevelt
read the letter dated September 21,
190S. and addressed to George R
Sheldon, treasurer of the Republican
national committee. It was practi
cally as follows.
"I am Informed that you or some
one on behalf of the national com
mittee has been soliciting contribu
tions from corporations, particularly
from John D. Archbold and the Stan
dard Oil company. If this Is true, 1
wish to enter a vlrorous proter.t and
say that not only should such contri
butions be refused, but that if made
It should be immediately returned."
The letter set forth that "four years
a:o Mr. Cortelyou refused all con
tributions from corporations, which
were being prosecuted or were llkeh
to be prosecuted." and that Colonel
Rcoseelt wished the same course
followed In the 190S campaign
Should Be Returned.
Colonel Roosevelt also read ihc let
ter of October 2G, 1904. to Chairman
George B Cortelyou, In which he df
clared that If any money had been
contributed by the Standard Oil com
pany or John D. Archbold it should
be returned at once. This loiter was
an,, emphatic declaration to Mr. Cor
tcryou that "we cannot under any cir
cumstances afford to take a contribu
tion that might be construed as plac
ing us under an obligation."
Colonel Roosevelt said )ie also
found that on October 27, 1904. ho had
sent an extra telegram to Chairman
Cortelyou. This message referred to
his letter to Cortelyou demanding re
turn of the Standard Oil contribution.
Colonel Roosevelt offered the com
' mlttee the originals of all the letters
he had sent to Chairman Clapp, or
had read Into the rocord
"Now, In regard to tho Harrlman
fund.' began Senntor Clapp.
Colonel Roosevelt Interrupted and
nuked to explain "the charges that
have been made in regular order,"
and Chairman Clapp acquiesced.
I "There Is no testimony against me.
except In the form of hearsay evi
dence," the colonel said. "Hearsay
statements of men that are dead."
Colonel Roosevelt said he had not
Intended to bring his former private
I secretary into the controversv , but
that as the committee had already
determined to call William Loeb. Jr.,
he had aiked him to bear out his
A Hearst Letter.
"May I speak of a letter published
in Hearst's magnzlzne from Con
gressman Sibley?" asked the colonol,
and then went on:
"It Is a letter which In substance
stateg that Sibley came to see nie
and spoko to me about seeing Mr
Archbold, and T Bald I would be 'de
lighted" to see him, and asked Mr.
Sibley to bring Mr Archbold to lunch.
I don't remember ever having talked
to Mr. Sibley about that matter, but It
Is vory possible I may have done so.
Any invitation that I may have ex
tended was tho result of n request of
Vv CRvVV Polished by Permission of tho North American, Philadelphia.
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Mr. Sibley." "' " !
Senator Bourne, he added, had
once brought Mr. Archbold to lunch
at Oyster Bay.
"While I was president," continued
Colonel Roosevelt, speakln? slowly,
"If any ninn, trust magnate, Social
ist, lawyer or clergyman, had any
business with me and wanted to see
me, I gladly saw him. And If I
thought there was anything to be
gained from tho standpoint of the pub
flc service In seeing any man, then
without waiting for him to ask, T
would seld for him. if I am elected
president a year hence, if Mr. Rocke
feller or anyone qlse wants to see me,
I'll see him and moreover, If I have
anything to ask for tho public service
from .Mr. Rockefeller, J. P. Morgan
or anyone else. Til send for him."
Sends for Men.
Colonel Roosevelt Instanced his
practice of that policy by savins dur
ing bis administration he hod sent
for James J. Hill, the railroad mag
nate. "i think I sent for J. P. Morgan."
said he. "at least I saw Sir. Morgan in
regard to currency questions "
"Now, about the Ilarriman busi
ness," said the colonol. "I feel that
there ought not be need for any in
telligent man to ask any question
about reading tho letters I wrote at
Here he took up his letters to Mr.
Harrlman and defended the use of
the term "practical men" In the much
duscusscd letter of October 14. 1906.
lie said his effort was to get practi
cal men In politics
"When the use of the word 'practi
cal' Is taken o Indicate some Im
proper motive on the part of the
user, then I think there is some moral (
weakness In the man who makes the
accusation," declared the colonel em
phatically. Then he read the lotter and de
clared that It was "absolutely In
compatible with a suggestion of my
getting aid from Mr. Harrlman In any
On October 20. 1904. Colonel Roose
velt said, Mr. Harrlman had tele- j
phoned to Secretary Txjpb, who told '
tho president Mr. Harrlman wanted i
to see him about the Now York state J
campaign, "which was running bad
ly." Tho colonol said be inado an
appointment through Secretary Loeb i
at Harrlman's request.
Loeb Was Preaent.
"Mr Loeb was present throughout
almost all of the Interview. There !
was no possibility of any misunder
standing. I mention that because I
see some well meaning but flabby
persons have said there might have
been ' a misunderstanding between
Mr. Harrimnn and myself."
Colonol Roosevelt said at the time
tho Horrlraan contribution was made
thore was no doubt of the national
ticket carrying New York, but that!
the state ticket was In difficulties
"Thero was not one word spoken by
Sir. Harrlman or mo having refer
ence to tho collection of funds for tho
national campaign. The entire con-
i eisatIon was to the effect that aid
ahould be given tho state campaign. '
Colsnel Roosevelt said he had sub
sequently had a talk with Mr Hnrri
man, who favored the appointment of
former Senator Dopow as ambussa
dor to France, but he told Mr. Harrl
man that other financial men .wero
supporting James H Hyde. Mr.
Harrlman began to "back water "
Colonol Roosevelt added that ho
made It clear that Mr. Hyde was too
young for tho Important diplomatic
post, and bad not 'won his spurs."
Not by Harrlman.
"I wish to call your attention to
the fact that 'Judge Duell and Sir.
Sheldon both have testified that Sir.
Bliss stated thot the money was not
raised by Sir, Harrlman for the na
tional campaign, but that It was rais
ed by Sir. Bliss to help out Mr. Har
rlman in the state campaign. Sir.
Loeb was present during the interview
between Sir. Harrlman nnd myself
and heard oory ward.
"Sir. Harrlman asked me to get Mr.
Cortelyou and Sir. Bliss to help raise
funds for the New York state cam
paign. 1 never asked Sir. H2rrlman
dlrectl or indirectly for a dollar to
help In that campaign or any other."
Colonel Roosevelt said he wished
to correct his stalenjent regarding his
Interview with Sir. Harrimnn.
Mr. Harrlman told me . he said, "the
national committee people had plenty
of money and 1 told him I knew noth
ing about that His request to mc
was that I ask tho national commit
tee to give money, not that I ask the
n3tional committee to help raise
Colonel Roosevelt then dlscusspd
Judgo Alton B. Parker's statement in
,1904 and declared that a repeated
misstatement charged to him was ;
that he natd corporations did net con
tribute to his 1904 campnign.
"I never made tho statement that
corporations had not contributed to
tbo Republican party," he said em-
phatically. lie said his recont let-
tor to Chairman Clnpp and his "open
published statement" made it clear '
that he had never denied that corpor- i
ations had contributed, but denied
i specifically that . corporations had i
been "blackmailed" Into contributing,
or "assured of soino kind of favor" I
I Tsk for Hour. i
For an hour tho colonel had talked,
practically without Interruption. Half
ia dozon 'questions by Senator Claop
started him and thereafter ther was
no opportunity for quostlons '
"Now T wish to tako up the testi
mony of Sir. Archbold and Senator
Penrose," said Colonel Roosevelt. "I
wish to call your attontlon to this
fact In connection with the state- j
menls tit Sir. Archbold as to Sir.
Harrlman. Each testified ho got no
improper consideration from the ad
ministration Sir. Archbold and Sir '
Harrlman alike complain not that Mio
administration did whnt It ought not
to have done, but tbnt tho admin
istration refused to do what It ought
not to do Sir. Archbold and Sir
Harriman's complaint is that they got
nothing from the administration.
"Sir. Archbold testified that Corne
lius N. Bliss, who is dead, al tempted
to blackmail him and that I. knew of
It. I don't for a minute believe that
Sir. Bliss tried to blackmail him; if
he did I knew nothing of It."
'I want to call your attention to the
testimony of Slessrs. Archbold nnd
Pcnroso against themselves. Mr.
Penrose testified that he advised Mr.
Archbold to have tho Standard Oil
company submit to the blackmail, and
that he did it to prevent being sub
jected to hostility from certain
sourcer Thoy could mean hostility
only from myself, the attorney gen
eral or the commissioner of corpora
tions. Should Unseat Penrose.
"I had no way of being hostile un
less they violated the law So the
action of Penrose in advising Stand
ard Oil to make that contribution wus
advice to it to protect itself against
prosecution for violation of tho law
"If. when I was police commission
er of New York City.' said the colo
nel, "a member of the police forcn
did. in connection wllb the enforce
ment of the law against liquor selling
what Sir. Penrose says he did in this
case, I could have thrown him off tho
The co'onel leaned forward In his
chair, shook his fist at the commit
tee and shouted:
"And I hold that the senate of tho
United States should throw Sir. Pen
rose out of the senate for the ad
missions he made before this com
mittee" "Now. as to Mr Archbold," re
sumed the colonel. "Ho testifies he
made this contribution and oxpecte(l
;some unusual kind of compensation.
He says Mr. Penrose tried to black
mail liini, yet he seo3 nothing wrong
I In what Sir. Bliss did. He sees noth
jing improper in attempting to oxtor
I a contribution from him. HiB com
l plaint Is that nothing improper was
j done for him "
1 Need the Troatment.
I lie referred to Sir. Archbold's
1 statement thnt the Roosevelt admin
I latration's treatment of tho Standard
Oil rivalled darkest Abyssinia.
' "It is tru that when I was presi
dent I administered the 'darkest
Abyssinian troatment to tho Stand
ard Oil company, but it was because
It needed It."
Aftor.n brief .recess Colonel Rooso
"The next statement that I want
to call your attention to Is that of
Sir. Archbold that, when the bureau
of corporations becan Its Investiga
tions of the Standard Oil, Sir. Arch
bold went to Sir. Bliss to call me off
He testifies that Sir. Bliss told him 'I
have no Influence with Sir. Roosevelt.
I cannot help you '
That statement Is only partially
true, for Mr. Bliss did have great in
fluence with me, I had a great re
spect for Sir BHus. But It Is true
that neither Sir. Bliss nor any other
human being had the slightest Influ
ence with me so far as getting mo to
refrain from prosecuting any corpor
ation for breaking the law. All these
men who testify against me, testify
that I refused to do, or did not do
anything Improper In their Interests.
And they are all now supporting the
candidates against tno those who are
He said he had a fight with the
Standard Oil company In 1903 when
ho was getting through the bureau
of corporation bill.
"Senator Clapp, you were In the
fight, and so were you, Senator Payn
ter, I believe."
Got Bill Through.
He finally got the bill through, he
said, by publishing telegrams sent by
the younger Sir. Rockefeller.
"I had ray first brush with the
(Continued on Page Five.)
UTAH MAN I
R. W. Young Elected
Head of International H
Irrigation Body H
Salt Lake, Oct. 4. With the elc- H
lion of officers, the twentieth Interna- IH
tlonal Irrigation congress adjourned
last night to meet next year at Phoe- IH
nix, Ariz. Last night the delegates IH
attended a ball and reception given in
their honor. Richard W. Young of
Salt Lake City was elected prealdont IH
by unanimous vote upon recommenda-
tlon of the committee on permanent
organization. At the last moment the IH
several cities that sought tho next H
congress withdrew In favor of Phoe- H
In addition to Sir Young, the ofTl- IH
cers named were: J B. Case, AbUen H
Kan., John Fairwcather. Fresno, Cal., H
S. II. Lea, Pierre, S. D., Richard F. H
Burges, El Patto, Tex., and Kurt H
Gruudvald, Pueblo, Colo., vice presl- IH
dents, and Arthur Hooker, secretary IH
Tho report of the resolutions com- IH
mlttee was adopted by tho congress an H
a declaration of principle. jH
The principles hold that federal lH
control as between the states Is en- IH
sentlal to equitable distribution of the H
water of lnterstato Etroarqs, renew the IH
endorsement of the congress of tho IH
Newlauds river regulation bill; ap, H
prove the federal forest policy and jH
favor its extension and recogniio tho IH
establishment of the United State H
reclamation service as second only In lH
Importance to tho passing of the H
reclamation act IH
According to the principles the law
should require that all contracts for
tho sale of power developed by a IH
reclamation project shall bo approved H
by a water users' association under H
such a project, IH
The following was Included In the H
"Resolved That the International IH
irrigation congress co-operate to tho IH
fullest extent with tho Panama-Call- H
fornla exposition In producing at San H
Diego In 1915 the most elaborate and H
comprehenslvo International irrigation IH
exhibition that has ever been assent-
"Wo invite tho attention of the IH
president and directors of tho Pana- IH
ma-Paciflc exposition to tho propriety H
of making provision for an. adequate H
Francisco exposition. H
The principal address of tho day H
was made by Henry S. Gravoa, United H
States forester. "Within the las: H
three years," he said, "there has been H
an agitation In certain quarters thnt H
the government abandon Its policy of H
national forestry and turn Its national H
forests over to the states Underlying H
this question is another which must IH
really bo settled by the same nnswer, H
nnmoly, whether the national forests H
shall be parcelled out to Individuals H
and corporations and forest conserva- IH
tlon as a public policy abandoned. IH
"The first national Interest in those H
lands is that of the continuance of H
timber production. It is Imperative H
to the whole nation that these areas IH
be handled with caro and their pro- H
ductiveness Increased The secoud H
great national interest Is their protcc- H
ition of navigable rivers and interstate IH
- i H
GREAT BAY AT THE I
BIG COOKING SCHOOL I
The Hundreds of Women That Have Attended Mr. Snyder's Lectures H
and Demonstrations of Cooking This Veek at Carnegie Library IH
Hall Are Now Preparing to Enter the Contest Tomorrow ,to H
Compete For One or Moro of the Valuable Prizes.
If tho Inquiries that have been re
ceived in this office are an indication
of the number of entries that will bo
. made tomorrow by tho women of Og
uden. there will be a display of cakes,
pies, bread and doughnuts such as ha.
never been seen In this city. Wo are
glad to know that so much enthusiasm
has been arouaed, because we believe
ithat the subject of cooking Is a matte;
on which women should be well In
formed The splendid and valuable prlzen
that have beon donated by the mer
chants and various manufacturers of
this city arc such that every woman
would he glad to possess The splen
did gas range, kitchen cabinet, tireless
cooker and a number of other prize
are well worth competing for. In ad
dition to these prizes each flrsi prize
winner will receive a gold medal and
each second prize wluner will receive
a ellver medal.
Each woman entering the contest
will abide by tho conditions that havo
been announced In tae preceding is
sues of the paper this week. All en
tries must be made between ten and
twelves o'clock tomorrow morning.
All articles are entered by number
only. sir. Snyder has boon requested
to do the Judging, and the fact that
ho has consented will please the con
testants becnu&e we think that SIr.
Snyder is the most competent person .
to judge the quality of the pastries
that will be entered. IH
The lecture this afternoon was on
fats and oils. During Sir. Snyder s
talk on this subject ho demonstrated
I very conclusively that animal fats are
! not as desirable to use when It is nee-
iessary to heat them as are vt-getnblo lf
' fats. He said butter was a splend'd
I fat when made under ordinary con 11-
tlons and from good cream and was
eaten raw. But in his demonstration H
he showed bow very much quicker it IH
was disorganized chemically when IH
subjected to heat than was tho Cotto-
lone he ued as a vegetable fat. H
advised against the use of lard be-
cause of Its origin and the difficulty
with which It Is digested.
One of the reasons that Sir. n? -
der's work appeals to the woman is H
because ho deals ouly with thot H
foods and recipes that are practical H
and economical. As many women re- H
marked : "What seems very difficult B
for us, he makes vory easj." Tho 1
l'apples polnte that he prepared thU H
afternoon nnd served with w;hlpped H
cream would certainly meet the re- H
quiroments of the most fastidious epl- H
curean. The grape fruit pie demon- H
strates agreeably a lemon custard pie. H
only that Its unique flavor Is ven H
pleasing. The smothered chicken was H
an evidence of how an old fowl might H
be cooked In a manner to render It H
equal to young fried chicken B
I; 1 IN COUNTY COURT HOUSE AT 11 O'CLOCK EVERYBODY THAT BELIEVES IN ROOSEVELT INVITED TO BE PRESENT AND VOTE. J H