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1N V ESTI(i A T!UN PKOCE E 1>S.
Kf^euts and Physicians Testify?Notliir.?
Develops Except Tliere Seems
Lack of Harmony in Staff.
W. F. Caldwell in News and Courior.
Clumbia. Feb. 12.?Dr. Eleacor B. j
Saunders. the lady physician on the ;
asylum staff, whom Superintendent J.
W. Babcock is backing up. and whom |
the majority of the board of regents j
hold responsible for the friction which j
they state would have ended among
"Dhe. medical staff had Dr. Babcock;
dismissed her. was not allowed to have j
a stenographer present during the ex- j
ecutive meeting of- the regents-in December,
when Governor Blease was
present with his private secretary,
Col. John K. Aull, who is a stenographer,
and Mrs. Bessie Saunders
was also present as a stenographer,1
according to the cross-examination of j
Dr. W. L. Settlemeyer, one of the re- i
gents, this afternoon by Dr. Saunders, j
This was the meeting at which com- I
plaints of certain members of the
medical staff against Dr. Saunders '
were taken by the regents, and -her :
father, Mr. O. L. Saunders, was not al- j
lowed to be present, it has been tea- ;
tificd to, and resolutions condemining
her for interference were passed by j
Dr. Settlemeyer went on the board j
of regents last April, succeeding Mr. '
Fred H. Dominick, and he stated that
in selecting persons for the vacancies ]
filled by the^board July 1 he voted for |
those he thought best fitted for the 1
positions, and that there was 110 pre
vious understanding among any of the '
regents as to who were to be elected, j
Praises Dr. Sannders.
Corroborating the testimony of
Chairman Carouthers, Dr. Settlemeyer
was of the opinion that the trouble at
the asylum came from the friction be- j
tween members of the medical staff,!
and the complaints by certain subordinates
that Dr. Saunders was infring- j
ing on their duties and rights. He j
spoke highly of the work and efficiency [
of Dr. Saunders and stated he had in- ;
epected her ward, that of the white 1
women, only twice and found every- 1
thing in fine shape. Personally, he
stated, lie Knew no cnarges against |
Dr. Saunders and those made by the
other members of the medical staff
were only general.
Under questioning from Dr. Babcock,
Dr. Settlemeyer stated that he thought
it was the duty of the male doctors to
lend every assistance in their power j
to the female doctors; that the profes-'
sion was very arduous, and that he
considered from a question of ethics
that all of the male doctors at the
asylum should co-operate with Dr.
Saunders in every way possible. He
Draised both her and the work she was
doing highly, said there was no charge i
regarding her moral character, aiid j
stated that he and Dr. Babcock had
gotten on well together. He did not
consider Dr. Babcock a subordinate,!
but the equal of the regents in authority,
and said he thought Dr. Babcock i
ought to have come to the regents
with the whole matter and the trouble i
might have been avoided.
Doesn't Know Why.
The witness, in reply to a question !
from Dr. Saunders, said that'be did not
know why Representative 0. L. Saun- j
ders had not remained when the re- j
gents went into executive session to
hear the complaints against his daughter,
and certainily, he said, he had no ;
objection to his remaining. He said
he did not know why Mr. A. iM. Deal,
the stenographer for Dr. Saunders,
was not allowed to remain at the
meeting and why Col. John K. Aull I
and Mrs. Saunders stayed, except
thzi "Mrs. Saunders, lie thought, had j
been invited to corne as the stenographer
for the board. Just why the
lady physician under investigation was
not allowed to have her stenographer
present, he said, he could not explain, j
and did not know. He stated he did '
not hear Governor Blease suggest to
Mr. Deal that he leave after it was j
stated the board was going into ex-1
Hnl John K Aull broueht in the
minutes cf the executive meeting of
t>he board of regents on December 12,
and reading from them Representative
Stevenson asked Dr. Settlemeyer if the
regents were trying to oust Dr. Saunders
because she was not a Bleaseite.
The witness denied that politics had
anything to do with the matter, or that j
tney had ever been discussed by the j
regents at any of their meetings.
Sews to Him, Says Babcock.
Dr. Settlemeyer had stated that Drs. j
Taylor and Babcock, Messrs Bivens
and Sumersett constituted a committee
of the regents to revise the rules under
which the regents were working
and to present them to the general i
assembly for their approval, as required
by the act. Dr. Babcock imme- j
diately arose and said it was the first'
time he had ever heard that he was a
member of any sucli committee.
Col. E. H. Aull went oh the .stand
and made toe. statement, already, prioit- !
ed In tkW fiA^er that Dr. Babook ;
said that Col. Aull had stated on t
night lie was shown the letters frc
Governor Blease to Dr. Babeock, d
miriflinw Tb.it ho remove Dr. Saunde
that the State newspapers would p
a large sum for the letters, and
they were published they would d
feat Governor Blease for the sen;
and re-elect United States Senator
I>. Smith, and. further, that one cf t
letters was a reflection on Dr. San
dens or else it was unfavorably woi
ed. Col. Aull said he wanted to
perfectly fair to Dr. Babcock t:
i while he did not recollect the fi)
part of the statement attributed
him, he would net deny having ma
AT., Cfavoncnn 1 afr +lio /"?rvTY)mit1
.tJLI . JJlt VtiiCVii 1V i. t
and will be absent for a day, as he
a member of the legislative comm
tee which went to Atlanta with t
committee from the State Banke
Association to try to get a regior
bank for Columbia.
The committee at 6 o'clock adjoui
ed until tomorrow afternoon at 3:
Columbia, Feb. 13,?For three hoi
this afternoon the legislature comm
tee which is investigating conditio
at the State Hospital for the Insa
heard the testimony of Dr. H.
Griffin, third assistant physician at t
hospital, and at the conclusion of t
hearing adjourned until tomorrow
10 o'clock. Dr. Griffin's testimony thr<
little new light on t'be situation, bei
largely a restatement of facts whi
have been brought out at previous s<
sions of the committee.
Most of the evidence submitted
Dr. Griffin was in pointing out speci
instances in which he felt that I
Saunders had trespassed upon t
rights of his department and promot
friction at the asylum. These charg
are the basis of the whole matter a
were made in general terms by ]
Griffin to the board of regents, a
may have influenced that body to pa
the resolution calling for the resigr
tion of Dr. Saunders.
Dr. Griffin was questioned at the cc
elusion of his statements to the co
mittee by Governor Blease, Dr. San
ders, Dr. Babcock and Dr. Cooper,
Today's hearing was marked by
short co^oquy between Govern
Blease and Joseph Sparks, a w
known newspaper man who has be
reporting the meetings of the comm
tee. The governor read extracts frc
rho ror>r?rr1 r\f rhd fnmmitfpp'c
woich, he said, sustained his positii
in the entire matter, and stated th
unless this would be in the print
report of the committee he wished
send it in a special message to t'
legislature, as he knew the newsp
pers would not print it.
Mr. Sparks arose and stated that
the committee would furnish him wi
a copy of the minutes in question 1
would gladly publish the vital pari
Plooco crnri ''Y? anH t'
'vital parts' will all be against Blease
to which Mr. Sparks replied: "T.
governor may point out what he co
siders the vital parts."
"When I get to be news censor f
the Columbia State," said the go
eronr, "I won't be on this earth; I w
be in hell."
"You are damn right," replied IV
Sparks. Chairman Mauldin rapp
for order before other remarks h;
Dr. Griffin's Testimony.
Dr. Griffin testified that he was ele<
ed a member of the medical staff
the State Hospital for the Insane
January, 1913, on the recommendati
of Dr. Babc.ock and Dr. B. W. Tayl<
He wished it understood that his po?
tion in this affair had not be
brought about by the fact that I
Babcock succeeded his father as s
perintendent of the hospital. "We h
always been on the friendliest ten
with each other prior to my electic
and for some years thereafter,"
stated, "and I cherished no malice 1
For about four years, testified I
Griffin, he and Dr. Saunders had r
been on very good terms and
thought their first unpleasantn*
was caused oy uer misayprejueiisivii
a statement he made to her. Wb
present at the meeting of the Columt
Medical Society, he said, he notic
that his name and that of Dr. Saund(
were read among those whose du
had not been paid. The next day,
said, he told Dr. Saunders of the f?
that cho -nrnn to the Socie
and, according to his testimony, w
told "to mind his own business." ]
stated that he had not intended ar
thing disrespectful to the lady.
Means No Reflection.
Dr. Griffin who in the record of t
| committee hearings is quoted as sayi
i that Dr. Saunders was "supposed to
| married," today expressed his regri
that 'he should have used those exj
: words, and thought he- had used
slightly different wording. "I did i
intend to convey the impression whi
those word gave," he said; "I discla
any intention of casting any reflect!
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! or Dr. Saunders s character. I have
j never known or heard anything derogj
atory to her character.*'
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! Asked to give other specific inch
I stances when Dr. Saunders had treated
him wifrj discourtesy, Dr. Griffin said
that on one occasion he went into the
hv 1 . _ , ,
J general otnce 01 tne asyium ana requested
a young lady stenographer to
take some dictation, when Dr. Saunue
ders cu'-'tly informed him that the lady
i was iier stenographer.
, ; He told of having left orders for light
diet to be given a hospital nurse, whom
, | he was treating, and said that Dr.
Saunders later countermanded this orISS
^ | der and sent tl:e patient a regular
| meal. A similar case occurred, he
| said, when his directions, that the wife
; of a white male patient be not allowed
to visit her husband daily, since
the effect of visits was bad, were over,
j ruled and the visits permitted.
a I Says Babcock Dislikes Him.
or! Dr. Griffin stated that he had not
elj complained of these matters to Dr.
| Babcock because the superintendent
-t_ jihad taken a dislike to him, for which
)m he-was unable to account. Just when i
lg | this dislike began, he did not know,
' j but read from the records of the 1909
t; asylum investigation statements which
e(j; he made of a highly complimentary
tQ j nature toward Dr. Babcock. Dr. Grif;
fin stated that he did not believe
i there .was .anv unDleasantness between
a- j ? r -' - ;
I them unti\ after that time. As evi
' der.ce of the fact that Dr. Babcock was
i unfriendly to him he stared that w.?en
ihe made complaints they were not
heeded and that he was not generally
' j treated with courtesy.
k0 1 Dr. Griffin stated that Dr. Babcock,
'' j he thought, had not visited his '.Dr. j
j Griffin's) department of the asylum j
n 'during the year 1913, and but few i
! times since he had been a member of i
or j the medical stuff. I
jj On ixsminafon by senator igm.it,
Dr.4'Griffin admitted that he did not
jr spend but about two hours at the asy,
! lum each day and that Dr. Babcock
g might 'visit his ward during his ab- j
sence. He testified that Dr. Saunders
was * ry capable and loyal to her pa-1
tients, that there was no rule to pre- i
j vent her going into his department.
. ' Questioned by Dr. Saunders,
in i t
I Dr. Saunders during her examina
' tion of the witness brought out the
: facts that he had had some differences
_ with Miss Allen, a former stenographen
)r er at the asylum; that Dr. Griffin had
u_ I never filed compiaint with the supera(j
intendent against her going into his
ns department; that their differences
i were very trivial and that only once in
2^ ; seven years 'had she objected to his
kQ_ | dictation to ihe office stenographer.
| His wishes in the cases of the sick
! nurse and the wife's visits to her hus|
band had not been made known to
;gs | Dr. Babcock cross-questioned the
of' witness. That the board of regents
lie | had suggested the retirement of Dr.
jia ! Griffin and Chat Dr. Babcock's objeced
j tion had saved his position was
?rs ! brought out. Dr. Babcock asked the
tes witness to define the terms "insanity,"
he "hallucination," "delusion," and other
ict words of similar nature. This he deI
1 j ~ nl +">, /*,, o-Vi ViQ offipmftd
ty, j cnucu tu uu, anuvu^u uui^u.
as | that he could give the definition of
Eie 1 'i of them.
iy-1 Dr. Griffin stated during Dr. Babj
cock's cross-examination. that he did
! not make a thorough physical examina.he
' tion of all the patients who came unng
der his charge; that he had vaccinated
be some of them; that he had not made
Bis I the "Wesserman test for syphillis on
ict! any of them; that his patients were
a I negro men and that syphillis was
lot1 the most frequent cause of their
ch i trouble .
im! Dr. Griffin was examined by Goveron^nor
Blease as to bis political affilia
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