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VOL,. IV-jSTO. 217.
jN'OKF?LiK, VA., SATURDAY, DECEMBER 9, 1899.
THREE CEXTS PER COPY.
LATEST NEWS OF THE WORLD BY TELEGRAPH AND CABLE-i^Tilj
CURRENCY BILL
The House Adopts Special Order to
Govern Its Consideration,
A SPIRITED DISCUSSION
KcmocrnlM, I'opuliaCs ami Sllvorltc?
Nolle! Against ll nnil Ilia Rcpubll
cniis'for it?Itcprcsoiimtivos Iticli
nrdnoii nnd llnlloy uunrtfo That
llio Courno or llio Republican ,lln
Jotlcy In linuniinl nnd Uujusi nntl
Without n I'rccciloulor Defense,
Washington, P. C, Doc. 8.?The
House to-day adopted a special order
for the consideration of the currency
Ml, beginning next Monday. By the
terms of the order, the general debate
will continue until Friday. Saturday
amendments may be offered under the
ilve-mlnute rule, and on Ihe following
Monday the vole will he taken. The
Democrats, Po-iullsts and Sllvcrltes
Presen teil a solid front against the
adoption of the resolutions, and every
Republican voted for it.
A M IvND:MKNTS TO RULES.
Mr. Dalzell (Pennsylvania), from the
Committee on Rules, presented the
amendments to the rules agreed upon
by that committee f?r the creation <>f
a committee on Insular affairs, to con?
sist of seventeen nif#.fbcrs, to have
jurisdiction "over all matters (except?
ing fhoso affecting*" the revenues and
the appropriations) pertaining to the
islands) which come to the United
States through tlm treaty of 1809 with
Spain and to Cuba," and to Increase
the membership of the -committees on
Foreign Affairs, Merchant Marine and
Fisheries, Public. Lands, Military Af?
fairs, Naval Affairs, and District of
ColuuYbla, from llftecn to seventeen
members, and the Committee on Ter?
ritories from thirteen to fifteen,
VIEWS OF THE MINORITY.
Mr. Bailey (Texas) said the minority
of the Rules Committee held no differ?
ence of opinion as to the propriety of
the creation of the proposed insular
committee, but It did dissent from the
Idea that the committee should be crea?
ted for the purpose of "permanently
dealing" with the islands which came
Into possession of the United States
through the Spanish treaty.
Mr. Dalzell replied that there was
nothing in the resolution or In what lie
had said which Intimated that the pro?
posed committee was to deal with our
new possessions permanently. Th-- res i
lntlon was adopted -without division.
THE CURRENCY BILL.
Mr. Dalxcll then orfered the resolu?
tion for the consideration of the Cur?
rency bill. Mr. Dalzell said there was
no disposition upon the part of the m i
Jority to unduly press the bill. I: pre?
sented propo3llons which had already
been debated in the House. The Com?
mittee mi Rules was of opinion lihal
the rulo offered ample lime for debate.
Mr. Richardson upon behalf of the
minority, said he dissented most em?
phatically from the proposition ad?
vanced by Mr. Dalzell that the bill to
be considered contained nothing radi?
cally new. For the first time in the
fotetorjrof the country it was proposed
by statutory provisions to "fasten the
gold standard upon the country.
UNUSUAL AND UNJUST.
If such a suggestion had been made
two or three years ago, he said, half
the other side would have been tin in
arms against It. He considered the
rule unusual and unjust to tl;e minor?
ity. Hut one day was to be given the
minority to study the bill, while mem?
bers of the majority had six months in
which to prepare themselves. Mr.
Richardson taunted the majority for
their sudden change of base.
WITHOUT DEFENSE.
Mr. Bailey, of Texas, declared that
the proposed course ot the majority
was without precedent or defense. He
made an elaborate argument to prove
that it was a proposition to hastily de?
termine a auestion to which the best
and most careful consideration should
be given.
The minority was entitled to present
its objection after mature deliberation
In order that at the proper time the
appeal could be taken from the Ameri?
can Congress to that higher tribunal,
'the American people. Furthermore, the
special order denied the right of, the
minority to recommit, n privilege hith?
erto neved denied the minority.
ACTION DEFENDED.
Mr. Grosvenor (Ohio), In support of
the rule, argued that it could be justly
said that it would unduly curtail de?
bate and consideration. As to the
charge that members of the majority
would find It difficult to explain their
change of front, ho said It was one of
the proudest boasts of the Republican
party that it was wiser now than It
was a good many years ago. He said
he would be sorry for any public man
who had gone Into public life a young
man nntl had remained In It until he
was an old man without knowing more
than when he began. "The Democratic
party," said he, "was the only well
recognized demonstration of a great or?
ganization which had survived n. long
period without learning anything."
(Applause and laughter).
Mr. Cannon (Illinois), in response to
the thrust of Mr. Richardson, frankly
said that he had voted for free coinage;
of silver In 1S7S, but he had done so
because of the Impending resumption
' of specie payments when the Demo?
cratic party was howling for flat
mot\ey ,
Mr. Dalzell closed the debate by re?
calling some of the rules under whjch
the Democrats had forced through im?
portant bills in the ?'id und Bod Con?
gresses.
He referred particularly to the adop?
tion of the conference report in the
Fifty-second Congress upon the tariff
bill, which "the greatest Democrat since
Andrew Jackson, drover Cleveland (de?
risive laughter on.the Democratic side),
had pronounced a piece of party per?
fidy and dishonor.
Mr. Richardson attempted to reply to
these statements, but Mr. Dalzell re?
fused to yield, and at tho conclusion of
Mr, Dulzell's remarks the previous
question Wits ordered and the roll was
called on the adoption of the special
order.
The ?special order was adopted?1C3
to Hi?it strict party vote.
Mr. Robertson, of Louisiana, then an?
nounced tho death of the late Represen?
tative S- d. Balrd, of Louisiana, and
after the adoption of tho customary re?
solutions, itt 1:30 ?>. in., as ;t further
mark of respect, the House adjourned
until Monday.
THE KENTUCKY ELECTION.
DEMOCRATS UNDECIDED AS TO
FUTURE PLANS.
(By .Telegraph to VIrginlnn-Pllot.)
Frankfort, Ky., Dec. S.?All pretence
of !t tight for the certificate of election
us Governor has been given tip by the
Goebel people, and whether :t contest
will be made in .the Legislature is real?
ly yet to be determined. It will depend
very largely upon the wording of tho
opinion, which Commissioners 10111s and
Pryor will hand down at 10 o'clock to?
morrow morning. If it Implies that Hie
commissioners believe fraud w:\ct com?
mitted, which might invalidate the
election, did they ns a canvassing board
have the legal right to go behind the
certified returns, it (s almost certain
n. contest will be made. Otherwise it
Is uncertain.
The Democratic candidates for tlie
minor ofllccs on the State ticket, act?
ing on the belief thai liie commission?
ers' opinion will contain implication of
fraud, have already decided to tight be?
fore tlie State Contesting Board for the
LOHD METHUEN'S ADVANCE BRITISH COLUMN NE AUING KIMBERIEY.
positions to which they believe them?
selves entitled. They held several con?
ferences during tho day, but it was not
definitely determined until :*. o'clock in
the afternoon to make the contests.
Commissioners Kills and l'ryor were
busy nil day writing their opinion, and
it was dark before Mr. Ellis, who did
most of tho writing, had finished his
task. Neither ho nor Judge Pryor mailt
-any denial of the fact that ihey would
decide that Taylor is entitled to the
certificate. They would not discuss the
matter, but tactly admitted that it was
true.
Polltlc'ons of both pai ties departed In
great numbers dining the day and the
town to-night in practically deserted.
Al! the Democratic and Republican at?
torneys have loft for homo, the former
going this morning and tho latter this
nflcrnooh. Colonel .lack Chihh, who has
been attached to the Goebc-l headquar?
ters, loft tili? afternoon, remarking
with a laugh as he passed through the
h t? I door:
"I guess it is -.ill up with us for this
time."
There has been a great amount of
money bet on the election throughout
Kentucky as to \v>ho would be the next
Governor of tlie State, and the bettors
are trying to decide whether if Taylor
is declared Governor, and later ousted
by tlie IiPgisl.ittiro as not bc-ing a legal
incumbent; he wa3 In fact, actually
Governor at all in the eyes of the law.
The Taylor bettors ronstru? it one way,
and naturally the Goebfl men figure it
out differently. There has been so much
money wagered on *the outcome that
(lit- thing has really a serious side to
it.
Building Association League.
f By Telegraph to Virginian-Pilot.)
New York, Dec. S.?The Inter-State
League of Building and Loan Associa?
tions, at its annual meeting hold here
to-day. elected W. A. Roberts. Pitts
burg, Pa., president! and the following
members of tho Executive Committee
from the Southern States:
\V. Hi Raymond, N'nshvllle, Tenn.;
C. A. McHugh. Roanoke, Va.; W. H.
Henderson, Atlanta, On.; C. E.*Bcach,
Columbus, Ga.; A. S. Hatch, Augusta,
Q a.
Lord Methuen, Undeterred by Los?
ses, Again Pushes Forward.
ADVANCE ON COLENSO
'Elirrn it Little Alt then t tented Sciti
IrouiKcnl nl U'iir In Sotuh Africa,
Itm Kiituor* riy Tlilctt iicul Fast?
Drllisli En 11st NntiyoH lo Assist I?? t
:. us lie I<"ort-i>w ?Itnllwny mitt Tolo*
graphic Communication u uii
.11 oil der Rivet- Kcoiioticd'
: Pretoria, Wednesday, Dec. C.? :
: Fish tiny: commenced near Mod- :
: der river at G o'clock this morn- :
: ins. ;
London, Dec. 9.-4:50 a. m.? Lord
Methuen's restoration of the railway,
while relieving a loud of anxiety here,
accentuates lite dangers still threaten?
ing his forces. Tt is gathered from the
brief official dispatches that Com?
mandant Prlns Loos' contingent was
taken between forces acting from Bcl
mont and southward from Modder riv?
er it is quite possible, however, that
reinforcements were sent to jt lmout
merely ns n precautionary measure.
RUMORS AND RUMORS.
There Is little other news of Im
portance. Reports continue to come J
from Ladysmith that dissension extet? j
among the Boens, and, especially, that
the Orange Free State troops are dis- !
contented. There arc also all kinds of J
rumors of movements of commandoes
from place to place, but the fact is that
little is known here regarding the act-;
ual position of the Roer forces. More?
over, the rumor? of a collapse of Roer
spirit have been heard so often as not
to cause much satisfaction now.
CONTRABAND OF WAR.
London, Dee. S.?A special dispatch
from Cape Town announces that the
British gunboat Partridge has captured
the British steamer Mashonn, Captain
Johnstone, which left New York No?
vember ."> via St. Vincent, November lf>
for Algoa Ray, laden with flour for the
transvaal. The cargo will be. landed at
Cape Town and the ship released.
BRITISH ARMING NATIVES.
Cape Town, Dec. C.?(Wednesday)?
Tt Is announced that Major Elliott,
commanding in the native territories of
Grirjunland East. Is arming the natives
by imperial authority with a view of
assisting the defensive forces.
Frere Camp, Dec. S.?The trestle
bridge Is finished and the trains are
now traversing it.
ADVANCING ON COLENSO.
Pretoria, Dec. 7.?(Thursday)? The
following dispatch dated to-day has
been received from the head laager
near Ladysmith:
"The British are advancing on Colen
so, but last night passed without an
attack- There was a desultory cannon
nde this morning, the naval guns in
Ladysmith replying vigorously to our
fire."
. CASUALTIES AT LADYSMITH.
' Ladysmith, Thursday, Dec. 7, via
YVconen.?The total British casualties
here since November 1st are five offi?
cers and twenty-six men killed an-.l 15
officer's nnd 130 men wounded, with
three missing. The Boer force Is still
around us in large numbers, but all
within the town tire well and cheer?
ful.
Continued on Page 11.
UTAH GENTILES
ANSWERROBERTS
Charged With Making Misleading
Statements and Suppressing Facts.
EXPULSION DEMANDED
A Orlcumloii Hoprencnllus tlio tJcri
tnc Element ?i Uiuti Miuto Hint
ineCougranstniiii Meet in n Notar?
iuiis violator ur Law nml u i'nti
ilvotit Justice?The t'ompnct llo
Uveen Ulnti nml Oilier Millet II?*
ileen Broken*
(By telegraph to Virginian-Pilot.)
Washington, Dec. 8.?The committee
which Is to Inquire Into the status of
Mr. Roberts, of Utah, held a protracted
session behind closed doors to-day to
further consider the line of procedure.
During the early hours of the meeting
I Mr. Roberts was present, accompanied
I by his secretary, and made a statement
ns to his general wished In connection
' with the inquiry. He said he was spe?
cially desirous of having the committee
llrst go Into his prlina facie right to
a scat, afterwards taking up the gen
oral merits of the .subject. lie paid he
favored open sessions, as he did not
wish any of the testimony kept from
the public. He indicated ahso that he
desired to present testimony relative to
the manner In which the charges
against him were ptepared. Mr,
Roberta then retired and'the committee
continued in private session until 12:;!0,
when a recess was taken until 2 p. in.
The 2 o'clock meeting was brief, and
i was adjourned until It) o'clock to-mor?
row morning. No announcement was
made except that Chairman Taylet*
(Ohio) said the work was progressing
satisfactorily nnd smoothly. It Is un?
derstood that some question exists as
to whether Roberts shall bb treated as
a contesting member, or be asked to
plead as In a trial, nnd the committee
will probably hear him further before
reaching a conclusion.
ROBERTS ANSWERED.
Washington, D. C, Dec. S?An an?
swer to Mr. Brlgham Roberts' address
to the American people was issued to?
day by a delegation representing the
Gentile element In Utah, who ore here
to oppose Mr. Roberts. The answer Is
as follows: |
"In this morning's papers Mr. Rob?
erts makes un appeal for sympathy, in
which are many statements needing
correction; while many facts ure sup?
pressed.
"Mr. Roberts says he has not been
? convicted since Statehood. It does not
follow that he is innocent. He Is now a
fugitive fiom justice In Snlt Lake coun?
ty on a charge of "misdemeanor," and
In Davis county, Utah, where* res des
one of his polygamous wives with her
Illegitimate twins, born August 11,
IS'jT, a charge of felony under the laws
of Utah has been for two months
pigeon-holed by a Mormon prosecuting
attorney.
"Mr. Roberta. In his attempt to be?
little his crimes, insists that he Is only
charged with a misdemeanor, He
knows better. He knows that he has
been, under oath and before the proper
profcecutlng officers, charged with the
felony of adultery, as well as the mis?
demeanor of unlawfully living with a
woman.
ROBERTS WOULD MISLEAD.
"Many sentimental people are being
misled by Mr. Roberts' very Ingenius
suggestions, from which some people
infer that he took his polygamous wives
when it was lawful to do so. This is a
mistake. Adultery was a crime In
Utah when Mr. Roberts was born, and
at the time of the passage of the Cullom
anil-polygamy act Mr. Roberts was
only 6 years old. His idea for sym?
pathy, therefore, amounts only to this,
that he should bo allowed to continue
his criminal practice, notwithstanding
lie took his polygamous wives In de?
fiance of law. We demand that he
should support his families, but also
demand that he shall cease bringing
additional Illegitimate offspring into
the world, and this is our only bone of
contention, the only thing demanded
which he r. fuses to yield. In this mat?
ter we disclaim any desire to have him
declared ineligible because ho 13 a
Mormon, but solely because he Is vio?
lating and defying the laws of our
State, of the United States and of
common decency.
A CASK IX POINT. ?
"Ex-Congressman W. H. King was,
and is, it Mormon, and no claim of In
cliglbtllly was ever made against him.
We point to this fact as showing that
we oppose Mr. Roberte not upon the
.mound i f any religious opinions^enter-^
tulncd by him, but because of his" crim?
inal practices. Neither is this a matter
of religious or political persecution or
prejudice. Tire undersigned include
men of different churches and men who
belong to no church, those who are Re?
publicans and those who are Demo?
crats.
"Mr. Roberts denies, and we assert
that the compact between Utah and
the other States has been violated.
POLYG A M V CO NT IN11 lip.
"As evidence that this compact has
been broken, we point to the following:
?'First?That In Utah 1,000 Illegitimate
children have been born to polygamous
wives since Statehood.
??Second?That about two thousand
polygamous households now exist In
Utah, and that the attempt to secure
a punishment of these offenders is de?
nounced by the majority, as we believe,
of Utah's cltisens.
"Third. That the circumstantial evi?
dence unmistakably points to the cx
Isltncj of new wives in polygamous
households, the most conspicuous ex?
amples of which are the cases of Apos?
tles Abraham IT.; Cannon, .lohn W.
Taylor and Apostle Teusdnle, in at
least the li::=i of which the church or?
gan of the dominant church refuses to
deny the marriage and the row polyg?
amous wife Is emp'.oyed as teacher In a
church academy. /
"Fourth. That the very nun who In?
terpreted the manifesto of is:?0 to pro?
hibit unlawful relations with prior ne
rtuhed wlv.s now publicly justify Its
continuance.
' Fifth. Tl.-.u most of the same men
ahn in a trillion for nmnoity pledged
their, sacred honor for the obedience .of
the law by their people are nowy by ex
ample and precept encouraging' the
commission of'this etlmei j
"Sixth?As a further evidence of th's
bad faith wo call attention to the fact1
that men bidding high church olllees
have plead guilty to the crime? of mis?
demeanor before the Stale courts with?
out having their-church standing affect?
ed, even In some eases having their
fines paid by sympathetic friends.
"Seventh?All this Is by necessary I
Implication endorsed by'n majority, of
fiah's people in the election of Brlg
iiiini H. Roberts, who during'his cam?
paign for election was publicly charged
with being :i violator of the laws as
evidenced by his Illegitimate progeny,
and in splto of these undented charges
he was elected by an overwhelming
majority.
"That Mr. Roberts himself under?
stood that compact to mean the discon?
tinuance of his unlawful conduct we
point to his registration oath ?fSlS.05,
in which he swore It to ho his Inten?
tion to obey the law prohibiting mis
deameanor.
(Signed) "T. C. ILlFFj
, "Salt Lake.
"G. W. MARTIN,
"Mantl, Utah.
_' i'. M. owrcx.
"Salt Lake.
".I. M. <'COM HS,
"Brigham City. Utah.
"A. T. SCHOKDER"
"Salt Lake."
THE KENTUCKY CONTE3T
COMMISSIONERS DECIDE IN
FAVOR UP REPUBLICANS.
(By Telegraph to Vlrglnlan-Pll?t.)
Frankfort, Ky., Dec. S?Tlie Commis?
sioners to-night (lied a long decision,
concluding as follows:
"It results from what has already
been said, that the certificates, on the
face e>f the returns before us, should be
Issued to William S. Taylor, the Repub?
lican candidate for Governor, and to
the oilier candidates on the Republican
State ticket with him, and It is so
ordered-"
Commissioner Poyntz has prepared a
minority opinion In which he declares
his belief that the Democratic candi?
dates were legally elected, and tiie use
of tissue ballots should have rendered
void the election in several counties.
He denounces the use of the militia on
election day as reprehensible and in?
tolerable in an Anglo-Saxon com?
munity.
Domocratlc Pross Bureau.
(By Telegraph to Vlrginian-Pliot.)
Kansas City. Mo? Dec. 8.?It is an?
nounced here to-day that Willis J. Ab?
bott, well known in newspaper circles
throughout the United States, has been
selected to take charge of the press
bureau of the Democratic National
Committee. Mr. Abbott Is a personal
friend of Mr. Bryan, and has been iden?
tified with the Tammany organization
in New York, and has held responsible
editorial positions on newspapers In
New York, Chicago and Kansas City.
Louisville Bail Toam Sold.
Pittsburg. Pa., Dee. S.?The Pittsburg
basebull club bought Hie pick of the
Louisville team to-day'for a sum 6ald
to be J25.00O cash. After the Pittsburg
club is satisfied, the players remaining
will go to Louisville. It is understood
that Dreyfus will have an Interest In
the Pittsburg club. Fred Clark, of
Louisville, will manage the Pittsburg
team.
THE DEMOCRATS
INCUR CENSURE
Legislative Caucus Refused to In?
vestigate Charges Against Officia
THE CHOICE OF SVIARTIFi
- I I
lloime Clerk Jlnnn Appolula Ilia A?*? }.
slaloms-Senator Foster Gill a -
Houqnet-Ameiidment? to ?ciin?
?4 hi in I'm I.nw-Amendments to: /
3*
Delinquent Laud Inx Lair Prow
?oaed?> innerem* HUM OOcred?
en
Otto to Krpcnl tlio lVniiD Elcctto
law -SfniKo 1'uimiiUt ves ?CnnOl?
lime lor Junge.
" (Special to Virginian-Pilot.)
Richmond, Dec. S.?The uctlon of tb*j
Democrutic caucus last night In dcclin-j
Ing to Investigate the charges madoi ,
against Superintendent of the Penlten-j
Hary Helms, and re-notnlnating him ntj
once, has caused considerable discus-]
sion to-day. It Is thought the more re-f
mnrkable since the charges were made
by a man whose character and standing
were vouched for by several delegates.
Mr. John White-head, In his vigorous
protest against such action, took oc
cast on to point out the fact that tha
Democrats of his district were already;
split up by the Shnnds-Boykln. tight,
and that the party could not afford to?
Ignore charges agalnlt its appointees
OBEYED MARTIN.
It was said yesterday, however, thatf
despite his denial Senator Martin had;]
indicated his choice of State ofllcers,
and the caucus obeyed his wishes with?
out a Question.
HOUSE CLERKS.
Ol. Win. Henry Mann, clerk of tho
House, has appointed Mr. Thomua H.
Bigger his chief assistant. He has
chosen the following for committee
clcrks: John W. Williams, Giles coun?
ty; John T. Loving, Ptilaskl; J. N?
Brenntnan, Shcnandoah; Charles B.
Mann, Petersburg; George Lindsay,}
Portsmouth; John W. Burger, Rock
bridge; Joseph J. Hcnnely, Norfolk, anil
W. H. Woods. Plttsylvanla.
FLORAL TRIBUTES.
On the desks of Senators Foster and
Maynard to-day were handsome bou??
allots, sent with the compliments of the
wife ot* the Secretary of the Common,-?
wealth. The (lowers on Senator Fos?
ter's desk were magnificent American,
Beauties: those on Mr. Maynard'e desk
were lovely La France roses.
DELINQUENT TAX LAW.
In the Senate to-day two measures of
Import to tax-payers were ottered by|
Senator Jeffries, of Culpeper. One oC
his bills provides t'hat personal notice
regarding the delinquency of his lancij
shall be served upon a party residing
In the county where the land stands In
lus came, If Ihe owner of tho land lives
outside the county ho shall be notified
by newspaper publication as now pro?
vided. The other bill Is the more Im?
portant one. The author seeks to pro?
vide every possible and reasonable pro
tecllon for the owners ot property. In
the first place, provision is made for nil
delinquent lands to be fully advertised
before they can be bought by private
parlies. It reduces the penalty to ten
per cent, on the amount of the pur
chase price, provided It bo not less than,
one dollar nor more than live, and re?
unites an applicant to pay one-third of
the purchase price in cash when the
application Is made, which I3 forfeited
to the Stale If he fails to make his pur?
chase.
Senator Cl?ytbr introduced a bill to
amend the code In relation to penalty)
on treasurers for false lists, also for re?
turns as "delinquent.-;" where sufllcienb
property liable to distress. The change
proposed is that the treasurer "shall
forfeit live times the amount of said
taxes and Ifva-s, one-trait of* which
shall be to the Commonwealth and tha
other half to the person charged iritis'
stu li taxes and levies."
ELECTION OF SENATOR.
The Senate passed resolutions pro*
yidlng for the election of a United)
States Sennt.ir en the l?tth instant. Tha
State otllceis nominated by last night's
caucus were e'eetod without question.
HOUSE BILLS.
In the House, after a considerable
debate, the committee having charge qt
the subject was Instructed to make a,
speedy report on tho "Land Grabbers'**
law.
A bill was offered by Mr. John White-,
head to protect the owners of bottles,
boxes, siphons and kegs, useel in tha
sale of soda water, etc.. and providing
a penalty for the unlawful tarfllcklng In
siitiie. He also Introduced a bill asking
an increase of the salary of the Judga
of tho First Judicial Circuit.
Continued on Page 11.
OTHER TELEGRAPH PAGE 6
CLASSIFICATION OF NEWS.
BY DEPARTMENTS.
Telesrraph News?Pases l 6and it.
Loe-.u .News -Paces 2, j, 5 and 6.
Editorial?Page 4
Virginia News?Pans S.
' North Carolina News?Page 7.
Portsmouth News?Paves 10 and li.
Berkley News-Pa?s It.
Markets?P?se 12.
Shipping?Pace 9>
Real estate?Paye 12.
