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0 he Testimony
he Grain
ol IK
11 SjaUm
patrol
Farrow testified
Mr
css A I Am
firing this vicinity
Crayonbeen engaged In
SiSn I b v0 nly H
In my Ulo
fanr years
AI
p
ISrttfred the causes that
great deal
HrtthouRhta
iSt this but ail thu strikes
In the country
rodowl
i0VT slve your undtr
L whlrfledio this
Kit do not think the strlko
W
i n I think
I think
csuhs
thoso
KhTtoVtU by fteneral ills
rtfoed In society by the
Wctwt ma s ot 1coplo
few towards
Jw and the
Yeaccumulation ol great
dls
iiij h created great
iNdetys at least the work
restless in their
a become
tuna the armors and work
iDy The farmers are as
t < ilis Dy
ritd an extent of country
Htrtitlon cover A Itcov
ulcftbestato of Texas
rtku far as your knowledge
Utoce to the eta to of Toxttj
ill to reading A Yes sir
ithit docs this dissatisfied
i Well ns I stated bu
lifemlcacy ol the nccumula
kinds of the wealth of the
Miters ol the corporations
have
believe
aabjtbelaASol transport
ojeworkerby the powers
emhl ntges This has cn
lefitlsisctuin Tho farmer is
od the wound that the orpo
jtle price of tmisportitlnn
Kti tbo laborer because ho
oogbtto have Some right to
iSoud have for working for
ruderedtho corporation
motmean to Imply by that
s compelled to work except
i jgrces upon do you A
dreed to agree upon prices
iilltlytilm
U hi forced A Tho condl
cMyaresucb he Is forced to
niture forces hi in to work
A Well there nio n great
It dees not force to work to
t proposition jou speak of
tcrt with their bands do you
vbot A Well uo sir not In
tt Thero are other classes
i Include as woikingtuen
f No sir tho merchant U
iu a worklngman Ho Is
ill wuntry as a speculator lu
faTtiai
> ief In these classes do you
ljtr A Wo dont locate
ottiido then Is he A Wo
ttnder the present condition
ielswycrls what wo term tin
tweemry evil
jooconsider him necessary
ipresent condition jes sir
ijoo say present condition
rcotdlllons do you lcfer tc
ijreitdealof crime In society
ibttt by a system of cla s
1 tils country which has a
JitiU the rich richer and the
re i man who has read u good
c A Yes sir I have read
7 c A Yes sir
on point out any period in the
ftrj where the dlflercnco be
b Ldtbo poor did not exist
f oilr that has been the
tun nature
remember that In the case
tJens as far back ns nuy
Vint one was understood to
u and the herds and tho
vr merely his sorvnnts
< tiey Instituted the Jews
tHery
these Inequalities from
uu existed substantially as
A Yes sir since tho lu
lain
> we they not chargeable to
f a Yes sir J
on you propose to cbaugo
There Is no hope
JWothe mass cf the people
pe t0 eiJicite tho mass of
that they mu aa earn and
M lave equally A I do
Ml probable
rteJl11 lu
different dls
Bfulhat some men seek all
w accumulate and savu A
enar ° careless about
Wire A Well that is so
0
would nc
they bad an oppor
JJttoknow there aro men who
f disposition among men
fu i R re I ss ol men aro
tf IieaIlr A It Is not
mankind that aro in this con
UtoVnjl thero arolmmento
wliu MP clty of men both
18 Md to keep A 1 know
J05 that very many of
WMemtodo so by
SHttJr0 dl8coveryof a coal
ttr or naPPculng to own
toynl8bullt A Yes
r
UUd cafccs
< 8ofiT < l5 8fln3 adjust this
rt0 1 sol as I am
M vJlvey ° unydca s
ttfr6 i nccrned I dont con
We 11 a y Petmantnt settie
ni 0T S08 n ° w before the
< lne8l > atl ° Ibe
he n
I Tillronds wm havo to bo
d or strictly controlled
ittSJr10 ejer bring about a
m ment between the men
ni1 th0 mon em
1 f b w ttat dls
Wm mannfacturers
jt4 i i6worW over A
°
4 thtrfaul8 > A Yes
Sh Rt through
ao ttt haslncM of the
> y
country Wo think there IS too little
rency In the country to employ labor cur
with
Q Do you mean thero lsnotenouch In
tho aggregate or do you mean some hivo
loo ranch and others not cnou b a I
dont believe thero Is
oaough n the a c
gregate
Q You have road the theories of
Prudcu I suppose A I have read the
theories of a great many on finance
Q Do you accept Uls theory that all
property Is robbery A No lr
Q Ami that wheu one man has cot
more than another It Is hie dutr tn
divldo It Instantly a No sir
Q lo you accept tho Ideas of tho
later French
revolutionists and
clallsts A No
sirs I am not a
munlst
of fortunes lor
us
so
com
Q Not even a German communist A
Noslr lam not ncommnnlstatnll I sup
po that will answtr tho question
Q lo you believe In the English Idea
of laborleform by cooperation both In
production distribution and furnlohlng
supplies A Ibellevo that cooperation
s tho only hope of mankind to bo de
livered lrom monopoly
Q Dont yon think that tho natural
disposition towards easo and comfort and
expenditure would largely prevent
operating by cooperatlou where men
ordinarily do what they havo a mind to
ami when they have a mind to A I do
not know that I understand yoor qucs
tlon exactly
Q Can you ha70 cooperation unless
men are willing to earn alike A No
sir bm n mans success should be based
upon his ability to produce not upon his
ability to get laws to legislate property
Into his hands
Q Io you belong to any lnbor orgsnl
7ation A I belong to tho Knlchts of
Lihor tho Grange and the Farmers
alllauce
Q Do either of theso societies require
that an equal payment should bo madu to
eacli member where they aro employed
A No sir The only requirement ot thu
Knights of Labor is cquarpay for equal
work
Q How can that bo adjusted by days
work A lay every man at tho same
price under tho same conditions for the
same work
Q You were here during this strike
A I wari hero alter tho strilto began 1
was hero durlvg the period of tho strike
Q You saw con ldcrablo of It A Yes
sir and read somo of It
Q Did you seo engines that tero
killed A Yes sir I havo seen engines
standing on tho switches I suppose
thoy were klllcd
Q You knew of tho preventing by
force of tho running of cars A No
only by tho general expression of the
community
Q is there a surplus of labor In this
section of the country A Thero seems
to be Ayhethcr thero Is or not I do uot
know
Q Then when a strikeoccursordlnarl
ly other men could be found to supply
the plico of tho strikers could they not
A To some extent I would not say posi
tively
Q Would a walkout of tho employes
of n railroad stop the handling of freight
and tho movement of trains without forco
to prevent other men from working or
actual foice upon the property A
wi 1 state right hero I really dont know
of any forco ever Lelng used to prevent
men lrom worklnt
Question repeated A I do not know
its 1 exactly understand it jot
Q Will a mere walkout without
stopping thu men coming In to take their
pUcos or the uso of forco In the stopping
of the lunuiug of trains bo effective A
Well a general strike or walkout as you
may term it would of course slop the
transportation of the country for a time
and doubtless the bauds mlcht be sup
plied and traillo start up again
Q Thut could bu douo almost Imme
diately could it not A I hardly think
It could be dono immediately It may bo
done
Q Do you bcllevu that strikers after
walking out or wheu walking out aro
justlllable In taking tho companys prop
erty und preventing its being usul A 1
will state to that quettlon I nm opposed
to strikes on general principles Irom a
legal standpoint 1 do uot suppose they
havo
Q Viom a moral standpoint have
they A I do uot think they havo
Q What is tho object of ihe Knights of
Labor speaking In such terms as you are
allowed A I understand the primary
object of tho order to be the education of
the masses Ilrst
Q What next A It is supposed that
when thu masses are cducatid that such
legislation would be brought about as
would prevent strikes
Q I think I havo heard something as
to ono of Us objects being to elevate
mankind generally A Yes sir
Do jou know what a scab Is
A Yes sir
Q Where docs the elevation come as
to scab A Well from tho remarks
I havo heard made about tho scab ho
would bo Impossible to elevate
J Ho Is a human being I suppose
A Yes sir they say ho has the human
orm
Q And he may havo a ulfo and chil
dren I suppose A Yes sir
Q They may need feeding and provid
ing lor just ns much as any other mans
A Yes sir
Q Thero Is nothing to hinder him
being a good citizen obeying the laws
A No sir
J And ho may bo a Christian A It is
possible yes sir
Q And yet you say he Is not entitled
to protection A No sir
Do scheme of elevating
J jou say your
ing the human race does uot Include tbo
class from which the human being called
a < < tcab comes A You mean the
Knights of Labor
Q No does your Individual system of
philosophy or humanity exclude from
this elevation the individual called a
scab and his famllj A Will I
think the proposed education would
Q That does not answer it A Well
I dont nudcrstand the question
Q Does your proposition to do good
to all mankind and elevate humanity in
clude the scab and his family and such
people A Yts sir of course
Then scheme does not breakdown
Q yonr
entirely A I will
down at that point
lust state about the scabs If a man
out and nnothcr takes his place he
goes of ridicule
becomes the object lor
just
tbo time That Is all wo understand Jt
Q I understind the Knights of Labor
In one direction
development
aro only a
do i
They
In your philosophy
all of your philosophy for tho b
world A Well I bellei
organisation that Its declaratlonof prin of
ciples aro founded on tho philosophy
Jevatlng the human raco
evdence heio as to
Q You beard the
the running of a train off the track and
engineer A Yes sir
killing an
6 Do you believe In proceedings
which Wto such results In order to
elevate the rest of the race A r o sir
the JCnlghts of Labor do not indorse such
° of
treatment
0 Whatwouldbo your
men like VaSderbHt and Jay
that class of men A As individuals I
have nothing against thosarnen
but have a scheme
O Yes you
philosophy that covers tho
Well we might do ths
world A
Wo might put
21IJi y at the great < ttn ultk
I consider It nl
< 2 Yes sir A Yes sir I have no
Idea but what both parties understood
that agreement very well as long as I
know what you speak of
Q Do you think that both understood
It hi tho same way at theoqtset A I
do not supposo there was much disagree
ment about it in fact nothing of that
character grow out of It If anything
grew out of It of that character I havo
no Knowledge ot It so far as iny under
standing of the contract gdes
J Is It your view then that there has
been a willful violation of tt upon the one
side A Well really what I knqw Is
what I havo learned Some of It here to
daj somo previously that part of that
agreement was not fulfilled by ihs Gould
Southwestern system I Jiavo beard that
charge made time and again Whether It
Is positively true or uot I have no po1
tlvo knowledge I heard men swear Itt
that Is all I know
Q You have not yourself cxamliicd tho
coutract with the purpose ol determin
ing whether It Is subject to the one con
struction or the other A No sir
By Mr Buchanan
4 Where Is your farm A In Van
andt county
Q How many acres A I have forty
acres aud about thirty In cultivation
Q Do you employ any help upon It
A Yes sir I havo one man employed lor
wages
Q How is tho other employed A I
havo the balance of tho land
Q What wages dp you pay thatman
A 15 a month und board
Q How many hours does ho work
A Well It Is hard to tell about that
Some days he may work twelve somo
tight and some tefs
Q What will It average during tw >
eumm r A Well I do not soppose It
wld aiersge more than ten hours
Q In point of fact do not tho farmers
of Texas work more than average of ten
hours during the summer during thu
worklrgseaW A Well It would be
bard to say
Q o not a great many ol them worn
llltetn and tlxteen hours A f
I havo done a good many days work of
Itfteeo hours myself
Q You j jou Swot cooperation
e practico cooperation with
o io you
lo what re
unploy A
the manjn jour
8P 0Ct Glvo him a share of the profits of
thofarm AWhen 1 i y him ten
dollars per month he cets the bigger part
of what he makes If he makes co ton In
tnto country according to tM price of
produce that is good wage
Q Does It occur to you that may pos
tlblybethoMse with other employes
A YeTheu sometimes be the
o Theu may H not
would receive corapensa
case that hat would labor really be larger MB
ihey bad a share ot tie prottU A That
18 ni WB these questions 1 Ai not
wish j to I5 r r Wcrence M to
iitait
WA
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w
THE WEEKty GAZETTE FORT W0J11JU TEXaS MlDAY dli g
wh re a country makes
aUo makes tramps
ffillllonalrca It
ft0 j0 ln1 the < y < o
kill tho A Nostr I vrqaid bo the
last man t < > do that
Q Then 0 kllllhg of the fireman and
engineer and 0 other persons that hattS
been mentioned ott condemn A I con
slder It a heinous ifme >
Q Tell mo how ho farmers In this
vicinity were affected tho strike A
I do not know that tlO farmers were
affected by It 1 heard nry Utile com
plaint l was at several rOlnt during
tnoatrlkoGihot 8oorm Scaly I
n
heard m little about It Ther Ccmed
Renersliy to syu pithlxo with thu strikers
t They w ro put to considerable Ju
convenience A Not much
y v rot no ur ° P mainly In Irtlorc
tho etrlko began A No sri not In
this parti they were In Southern Texas
Q Were they not then troubled In
getting seed and other freights ot that
kind A I do riot know that I have
heard of a single Instance
Q Do you know of any Instance where
they were embarrassed In eh pplng prop
irtyaway A No sir
Q But tho sympathy with the sJrlkcrs
you speak of that was largely sentiment
al was It A Yes air their sentiments
were with the stridors I do not mean
by tho farmers all ment simply ra a
general rule from the persons I hoard
Q Do you say you ore opposed to fcll
strikes A My remark was I was op
posed to strikes on general principles
that Is 1 will say this I believe that
strikes so far as ultimate good Is con
corned aro evils sometimes thoy aro
necessary I believe tho strike in 1885
was really necessary but strikes so far
ns permanently benefiting the working
men I believe they aru failures because
they aro almost suro to bu fought over
again
Q What is tho benefit if any of this
strike A I do uot know of any bcuotlt
that has ensued now
Q You know do you uot that tho
tradesmen tho dealers the merchants
the freighters and tho railroads ha > o
been largely Injurd by Dili strike A
Yis fir thoy havo been Injured to somo
extent
Q Now do you not hold as a princi
ple that tin fund out of which wages aro
paid Is made up largely of tho freight
money paid lor tho carrying A Yes t > ir
1 am satisfied ol that
Q Now will you tell mo why a party
of men employed by tho railroad and
paid out of this waco fund mado up by
tho frelghtirs should strike and throw
the business ol all these people Into con
fusion without any notice to them or con
sultntlon with tbem A Well they tako
it to be a matter i > last resort
Q Well sir ought there nqt to bo a
notice of some period to all parties before
a strike shonld be Inaugurated A I am
sure that would be better
Q What are your Ideas upon arbitra
tion A Well 1 think that with corpora
tlom In their present conditions it would
end In fnlluro
Q You think that as they are now ad
justed to each other tho employes and
employers thit they are able to arbitral
A They can arbitrate and keep contracts
thut havo bten founded lu arbitration
Q l < tlur any tnuihod ol conciliation
thai that would bn effocthe A Not
uuder tho uulsiiug institutions ot tho
country 1 lu lluvo uot
Q Y m huvo the geueral belief that all
thesu things are really out nl Joint A I
miuht say to n great extent yes sir
J And they might bo better If proper
ly managed A It seems sir thu Indus
trial Hvstum ot the country Is wrong
Q Yon told mo you weio u Knight of
Labor A Yes sir
Q Whut Is jour oillclal position A
I am master workmanof District 78 state
ot Tuxus
Q Who Is your predecessor A D
11 Golden
By Mr Outhwalte
Q I wish to ask you whether in your
opinion that which Is termed the Hayes
aurecraent is definite aud distinct enough
lor there to bo no question of dlffcrmcu
betrterm employers and emplojes as to
Its meaning In other words ws that
agreement so clear ami distinct that thero
should bo no trouble In construing It
A Well sir I do not know about that
I dont know that I havo examined It
Q Is It not possible that there is room
for tho two opposite constructions which
seem to havo been ghen It A You
mean the Hayes uureement lu 1885
Jnatters You spokv of lesUihtion cur
Inst some of our evils A Yes tr
Q And jou think the Slato of hoclely
is not what It should be A Y sstr
Q Will you Indicate to th committee
any ligLUtion of federal chiractcr Which
you think would tend to allevluto the1 dl
ticislnthociuatiyanilto rosturo good
feelings between ciupfojcs ntul employ
ers A Yci Mr 1 tiink 1 mlsht namn
some hUi tht In my opinion woirVt bo
benifblal I think tho ustlonM banisi of
J10 country ought to to abolished Tbon
I think tho government ought to lssne
currency directly without tho Intervctr
Hon of tho banks
Q Anything else A And 1 believe
the government ought to own and cou
trol tho highways
Q You mean thn railways A Yes
ti and telephone and telcorApb lines
Q Anything else A Well sir I be
lieve there is growing up In tbla country
a pvstom of alien landlordism that thouhl
bo broken up by tho government
< i AnytLlnselso A Tien I btllcvc
that thero oualit to bo laws so arranged
s to prevent tho accumulation of large
lorttfnes In n lew hands
1 How would yon do thstr A W ll
a graduattd Income tax would do thai
< > Would not tho tax be paid and tkt
fortune accumulate A Then direct
tax
What do you mean by a direct tax
A What Is called an ndvalorcm t i
Q Do you fcnow that such taxes exist
in tho otatu of New York A I aro not
positlvb about It 1 never read tho stat
utes Q That all property In that state is
taxed according lo lis value A 1 have
sever readtho statute
Q If that bo sorrms It resulted In Ihe
diminution of fortune A Ye sir bat
thi re has been no graduated Income
Q Glvo ns another remedy busldea
what yon have AWeil sir there aro
other things that mlcht bo named that
might be said to be minor Those are
the principal
Q Name them please A Wo might
luo ImprovementsIn the couutry so us
tospewt all money that would prevent
lutereni on money which Is tho bass of
the accumulation of the largo fortunes
Q Would you prohibit interest on
money A 1 think a law to that effect
would bo unnecessary
Q Why A Kroni the fact that I think
when people havo money enough to do
buslutss with they would not want to
borrow
Q But by law would jou prohibit tho
u o of interest upon money No answer
Q You say tho government should
own tho railways A Yes sir
Q Havo you lead of tho recent trouble
with thu McCormtck worka In Chnago
A Yis sir
Q Would you havo tlio government
own them mid run thorn A That is a
question that I have nut thought about
uud given consideration
Q Whafreasoil appllesforrunulngrall
wojs that docs not apply also In tho case
ofahigo corporation engaged In the
manufacture of coal tho manufacture ol
1iKtlHU1lcil Implements or any other
commodity A Well thocoul mines aro
ono ol the greatest monopolies und they
ouuht to bo controlled by thu govern
ment
Q You would havo tho government
owti thu coal mines A 1 > would say
tlilsi It ought either to own aud operate
those mines or thoso mines ought to bu
strictly controlled by tlio government
Q Aud thus you would extend thu con
trol ol thu government over large
branches of production A 1 think this
Is tho only thing that would bo success
ful
Q Then everybody so engaged would
bo u government ofllcer A Yes sir
2 Would you hnvu that ownership
statu or national A Well In the luves
ttgultou of thu question of Interstate
commerce It seems to mu that natlonul
ownership would be tbo only permanent
eud of It
J Would you havo tlio ownership
statu or national A The railroads I
would make a national Institution
J How as to tho ooul companies
A They could bo controlled by the
stntus
Q Would you hnva tho farms ot the
country owned and operated by thu gov
ernment A No sir
4 Why not A Well slrthcrolsabasts
of production in tho ludlrldual and
aualn the speculation und cornering of
tho things of thu country is not practiced
by the owners
Q Do jou notknowthat In tho far North
west there are very largo tracts of land iti
which wheat Is raised by aggregation of
capital A Yes sir I Imvu beard It
Q Why not under the sumo principle
put them under Government ownership
and control A Well I believe in family
homes the people being tho proprietors
there
J That does not answer the question
A You meau why tbo government should
uot take charge ot thesu large landed es
tates In tbe Northwest
Q Yes A Well they might bu
broken up
J Can tbey bo broken up except by
purcbn o by tho government or confisca
tion by thu government A Thoy can bo
broken up by purchase or confiscation
Q Would you recommend either A
Not strictly couiUcntlou
J Would you recommend purchase
A That would bo the best plan
Q Havent we In theso Jailer days
come to look too much to the interference
of the government rather than to our
own Individual efforts A Well 1 do
not know whether I could directly answer
that question and give satisfaction
with it
Q 1 am not seeking satisfaction but
Information A 1 think to a great ex
tent tho people have depended too much
on tho government without lndlvlduul
action and tho corruption of tho iiovcrn
ment has been caused by lack ol Individ
ual notion in the manugemciit ct the
governmct
Q 1 will now call your attention to a
fiuturo wnlchlns attracted this Invest
gallon towlt That tho testimony shown
so far a sreit destruction of property In
the nay of killing uiglues and ditching
freight trains and feilous Injury to thu
employes of tho road engaged In rnlng
their livelihood tho deprivation of others
of employmmt byJnierfereuco la tbo way
of threats etc I understand from your
testlmon hiretofore given that no nucb
sets of violence meet your approval A
No sir
Q I will ask you still furiher whether
each and bvery Knight of Labor If any
Mich there may be who were engaged lit
theso acts of violence Is uot an enemy to
the principles of his order A Yes sir
any Kulubt of Labor who derailed a trnia
or did anything ot tho kind Is an enemy
oil he order
Q Too principles of the order dr nr > t
lead to such acts but on the contrary
Inculcate dinctlv the rcversw That
Is my understanding of them
By Mr Onthwaltei
Q What Is your theory or f nggestlon
as to tbo manner In which the govern
ment should obtain possesion ol the rail
roads A Well It lrht be done by
purchase
Q Suppose tho owners would refuse to
sell I suppose you would recognlio the
right of a man owning property A I
would 1 suppose the government would
take thcra undrtt tlie law wlsat
domain
Q Pletsn state
yoa mean byt t
flikiis
IlMle lurflief whtl
ATMilhttdea
1886
trol tho Institutions of the govuament lo
tbo best Interests tt tho people
Q Well that does not glvo me Infor
mation as to whether they would accord
jfig toyo iliig it tlon takopossosMon of
them without compensilhm A 1 thltik
nut I think whitro there his been actual
luvcstmint la a rovJ tho company should
lm Id the
p acttta Investments
U Who wocW determine tho amount
0the value A It Is possiblo k com
mission might hcaHiOloletf and the tes
timony collected a to ther real InvtWt
m > nl In the road
Q Havo you conilnVteil In this cou
noctlon tho fearful iTsnger thtra would Uo
to tho laboring people to Incrcaso tho
officeholding class M > mailWold as It
be by making all utujloy s In railways
dlrvclly ofllccrs of Z United States
A I havo thought of that
Q Do you concede th thoro would be
great danger A Wolf H would be
owlupftu tlio orrnngemenfof tho laws ot
tho cotaitry If thu law wm mt arraot < l
that wo might havo what Trti call In tae i
days clvHservleo reform and a mail1
politics should not bo questioned n < r to
his employment by tho govuwment 1 wo
no real danger
By Mr Iftiehananr
Q Your theory Is that thoTOiernmenl
onght to acquire either by pnrchiao ur
condemnation under tho right ot omlnent
domain which condemnation wonbt carry
with It tho necessity pt componatlon
V Ye slr
Q Kor all the railways ot tho country
A Yoo sir
Q By whom would tho putchasjof tho
roads bo paid by tho people ol tho
country A By tho government tho
people
Q lint tlio government Is slmrdy tho
Incarnation and tho concentration ofl the
people of > bo country A Yes sir
Q And thdiyotir deslro In that tho
farmers of this cuuntay should bo taxed
to buy tho xMlroadsr They cantlot bo
purchased wltlnmt compensation How
would tho mimtw bo provided A It
might bo by taxation of course
Q Aud that taxation would fall upost
every onoof the producing dais Wouhl
It not to Yes sir
Q Aud upon nil tho laboring class
would It not A Yes rtr
ti < And how would jou pay tho pur
chasoinonej By lho istao of bonds or
lu what way A By n larger circulating
mcdlnm thati wehavui It might bu sup
plied to n great extent for the beuullts ot
trade
Q Would vou havo an isano ot bonds
for tho purchase ot thesu roads A No
sir Q Would yon ndvlso tho Issue of
greeubscks for thu purchase ot those
roads A To a certain extent
Q What wonW jou do for tho re
mainder of tha purchase money A it
might not bo best to carry theso roads
Into the hands ot the goernmunt nt once
It might tako somo tlmu to do that
Q How lapltlly would you apply It
A Juntas rapidly as thu ability of thu
government would bu to take charge of
the road Somo bonds might bu Issued
with low increase
Q Havo jou made any calculation ns
to the amount of monoy ueconsary to be
raised by thu people of tho United Slates
to pay Jay Gould mid Yanderblltnud oth
ers for the railroads thuy now own A I
huvo thuimhl somu about It
Q About how much would It lake
A l could not staUi
Q Would It not tnko a sum larger than
our nallounl debt vo at tho cloiu of thu
win A It would to purchase tho rail
roads
By Mr Grain
J Do I understand you are In favor of
olvllservlcu reform A Ycf slnfc
By Mr Buchanan MP
Q Do ton mean as formulated or us
ofk rated No answer
LIST OP LKTTKItS
HemalnlnRlnthoiKiDtonieant Korl Wottli Tax
Momlnj May 11SS1I To olitnln any of lliesn
letletB the applicant imi lcnll lur mlvcrtlnoil
luttura1 ami tdv < i lliu dato of thla 111
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Auvnnii Ktln
llroiikB Mary
luiilcrMnry
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lllnialcy Molllo
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LAMBAGITATION
wlmt llio Ieau > V Men t Tacit Y > rt
and Brooklyn ffsio to Hy oh tho
Qucstlen el tlio Day
tt > < utont of Pann Jujr ntmlt llsnr Wnrtl
Dceclttr Itonntit McKOTt I > r
Chnrlea Unit mul ether
Speelat tJorrespondonco of thoNiwetVo
NkwYorh May l llolbw will be
tonnd tho opinion of somo oJ tho best
known and most observant mm In Now
Yori aud Brooklyn concerning thu prev
alent labor agitation and Iter results
All art men vrnosa opinion wilt bo lis
tened to witD deference end Interest
Tho qutsllons asltcd thctn wcrot
Arothalabor tronhlrr a sorloua imurma to
thn poaocot Iho rcAintryJ
ItunliowortluKvnn h n tionrflteil ty tho
sgitMlonr
yii ili n lnc i > f tho y i r Iftsabo mtDaw
Irlnjuredr
1K > wo ncrtt a InrRtt atrmdlnx ntnitl
How aro w to Ueidwllii tvmretitata
Charles A Datu editor of tho Nevr
York Sunt The < jusstlo tn a very largo
ono younc man but 1 tlitrtk wo can sum
It tip In 11 ve7 fow woriia The labor
trouWes iTit not a darger tc thu countryi
at lnra r W d mot ied n bigger stand
higarwy Tlirronro no labor troubles
nowt tb y hnvu nil Mtlletf thcnlJelvei
and are over Tlio btulucss of 1880 Is
serious InjurednlrendT TSo w orklng
men nnr not benefited
Jay Gould 1 rmve not yet ttorottrylily
cxaatlnc tho edicts of tho la c strike
uponthe industries of tile eastern part
of th country and ln thoreforir ntiablo
to spealr except In i general Vrny Busi
ness a very seriously iunr l and thu
worktuginen aro tho losora Tliey cannot
ItnproTO thalrcondlUon by moans of boy
cattit ntKl strlklnjr At present tho
labor organizations I to no higher nlm
than tolay J11 wait until oivplojow nro
untangltil lm contracts or at tlutlr busiest
sesson and t etn scire them by thu throat
anil throaten to rnln thtm It exorbttont
CDiicesswisiiPoiiot nintlo More Intelli
gent and ast prlnclnlvonvlll havo tc bo
adopted by tho workltigsiott bsoro they
can bettor tlwltr coitdltKm Wo Uwnt
need a bigger utaadlng otwy lite mllltla
atid pollcocan tulio caro at thooo who do
Ylolenco
Henry Ward Stwchcrs 3ho hrnttrot tho
people Is hitherlialit plncw They nrtron
tho sldo ofjustliro and stnilty and op
posed to lnjustlao and wronir no matter
whether It bo tho worklifcuinu or tSo
capitalist 1 does tho wrung And lot
me tell you that iv > unltliy public Senti
ment Is buttor tlmu ten siamllng nrmles
Tho Interesto our citizens u supiortln
law and ordar wouM bo lessened If we
kept n uniformed fiorcu if profe sloiinl
tluhtlng men to subduu rlois Wo aro
better oft r wo are I cont know
whether or not labor his bet eflted Itself
by theso great strikes 1 doul biilove
that It hits dono so though I bullovo
that It bus Injprcd Itself ADlowderly
sujs worklugiueti must do justice If thoy
would obtain justice tor tliennielroH
When thu norktnguiau takes ndvatiluioof
his employer dlillcnltlos to snv to that
Iuiployort You must grnnt mo gnat
roiiwislonfl or InvllVrviln jouUodoes n
very foolish thing mid hurts hluuelf mru
than any ono olsu 1 nm In symprvthy with
orklngtnenundliwaut totouthum bettor
thulr condition but 1 dont llku somu of
the methods adopted partly because
thoso methods nru nilstakuu und partly
because tiny are tinhist
VicatQeiieral Keugau H 0 t I ttilftU
that ultlmato good will result fromthe
labor iigUmlon nil hough business haw
been liurtqultu sorloualy I llku the idea
of arbitration hottveun labor and capltnl
801110 worklngtuon undoubtedly ammIiw
prlvud of all that tends toimiliolifusweoU
Foitrteon hours Is too long for nuy man
to work at manual labor tt Is a grinding
slavery At tho rumu tune I think olght
hours too short uud Im afiuld that tho
Saturday halfholiday systom If adopted
would result In Injury to poor fiintltus
for boys whoso mothers aro dopeudruton
them for support frequent race tracks
aud spend thoirinoncy If < tt out on Hntur
day 1 know sovoral cases of tho kind
I dont look upon tho labor troubles oh a
serious menace to the peuco of the
country There Is nosoclullsmorancrohy
among tho KtiguihHiiuaklng worklngmqu
In this couutry I have been talking with
uiuuy priests 011 this question and found
some who think we need a larger stiiudlng
army I dont think so Our reliance in
on thu good suneu of tho nation and I am
sure that will not fall us
father Thomas Wardt Im not ill a
position to speab authurltlvvly consum
ing tho position ot tho liomun Catholic
chuicli In Amotion I sou that In Canad a
It Is hostilo to thuKnlghUof Labor If
dispatches urocorrect lu America the
church as I Understand It has takun no
position except that t Is always friondly
to tho worfciugumu and wants to sen
justice dono to him At thu sumo time It
does not want to see him do Injustice
and I think that somu of thu strikes have
been unjust Others again seemed to bo
entirely nropor anil nece Hry Yt dont
need a blggw standing army
Donald McKay senior member ol tbo
banklug llrm i > l Vermllyo Ocv Tbo
business ot 1980 has been seriously in
jured by thu labor troubles ami the
worklugmen will bo tho sufferer The
strikes aro subsiding though juti better
times aro near at hand Htlil trade has
received a merit blow Anything which
Interferes with tho smooth running ot the
great maohluery of commerce Is bound to
hurt tradOk and thut hurts tho working
man A friend of rnlue who Is In the
building buslnesc told mo tut thu year
opened with thu brightest prospect he
ever saw for bulMltij stonu The strlkes
havo killed tho tradu for thoycar And
so It ha l > ion In many other trades
A Abraham of the great retail dry
goods houso of Wcchsler Abraham
Brooklyn If the labor troubles aro not
very Boon terminated serious disasters
from which the worklngraen will bo tlio
chief sufferers will happen I can
scarcely tstlmato the damage but I know
that spring trade has hud 11 very serious
blow Wo dont need a bigger standing
army j tbo vast tnajprlty ot our working
men aro aversu to violence Anarchists
aroall foreigners rind when they nunro
our hospitality by preaching bloodnbid
and incendlat Ism thoy should bu treated
just as if they had set lira to houses or
attempted to commit murdor If thesu
strikes contlnuu the first thing we know
thero will ho a big Influx cl f orulgn tfoOds
and then tho blfl factorUH of tho K st will
be compelled to shut clown bccatuie tbo
market will bo overstocked It llw work
lngmen forca the cosi of production up
too high rnarchante will And It cheaper
to buy foreign goocU and then the work
Ingmcn will xuffer ptetty severely till con
giesspuiiM uUeiup
Mr Aekur senior partner ol tho firm of
Acker Motrin fc Conditi The labor
troutoas havu uot hurt us yet I dont
know whether they will or not I cant
tell what will bo the outcomoof tho labyp
filiation The worklngmao m47 or maj
Bwt bo benefited As to the nnarchljrt
our courts are the ones to deal wlji
them I do not at pmpt to soiyn the
great problems of the age
K If K Thurbcr of 11 K Thurbet CoJ
I dost tntek you will ilud tM I iW tr d
la food product tM hneu fec < t B rly
M Htweh J f ttw J iM > r troaWe M tttow
rtJMf twiM wfcJ > a iimyi xw
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IwporUnt omv 1 no iLJS
Interests Ok
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Uto iM cbuditins < XkSUSJ
leKl K ° o > reealU VW S IS
bloodslltfv Iddtforo to UtbSfkHtti
ay
nt
thiiipwhlcfi W S2
W D
ly the who advocate toJ J3T7 fe tin
worst ° rha I d0 i
any othtr way ei Jlng wWi inr 0t yS
than that ot ttkwt lng them pro ntl5
every tlrrw thoy m war Upon soclityT
Torco muH bo ma wi t orto 7
Tho llcr Dr Charfe II Hatlj li
ly no meairtr dlfcolInlsr l fj t tsSZ
slons which hnvo so f r oWlfrrei tt tkl
Industrial Held Thpdljcussf oftwtT
ances will naWmlly kid to t > roi
er M
justtuent ot them Tfcw aro rtullltrBiw
of bad temper rd thc are d o roi
principles fnculsattd by vlolcrvt n > en but
theso are exccptSaiial ami not lcpreix > at
ho t believe 13 tho p eiile llo6 ly
and piocl 6cnso targeiy pr pt > Bdwat
nniong them UrrtonbtcdlythovorkfoK
men hav suffered from acts of tyraaTy
Bnd oppression forth gnats raowpollwi
ud comtlnntlons of capital an numtrct
Ittl and have lnlllcto wrongs which err
lor rtdrecs But I Ut uo UWol thefu
ture Tltore moy bo periods of oevero re <
turalnt bm every patriot will rotokothat
Mm wrong of tabor slsco they do l l
In tho body polltlooro belnj yentllHed
Mr Wllllum K Iletcher supprluiflrid
ant ol tho New York prcdoco excitlnge
llbsorlotts aitifjcr to the community
largo IS to he npprohsndrd Ironr tho
proseit phases of tho labor movement
Th nlitmato result ot tab npllttlon will
itcv ntcessarlly prove Injtitluuit to tho
wrrkltip claf e provldea iho strlkws to
main traceable and quiet iwid do not
rcsart to acts ol1 violence Itt thu cvonV
ot i ucco i tho strikes will of course by
highly btncllclal to tho woiklnjrmen anOi
thelruhances aro better now than hllhlrto >
bccaisu they are belter awd more
go norttlly organlrnl than cor Uctore The
eft uot of th exlstrjjt troubles on thn busl
ltei m c 183C will vary with tho dltfoient
bin nches of trades and Industry We for
ixa ntpl < do not IVel thu strike at all
whl lo tbo great body of manufacturers
will for he time being bo seriously crip
pled by them The troubles honccr
somu decrease and peaco aud harmony re
turn to restoiQ business and Indbstry to
tbelr accustomed activity and vigor
Cot poratlou Couustl Jetikst B think
that a rbltratlon Is the only way In which
dlft rt nces between capital ahd labor c n
be pea cefully and sntlsUctorlly adjtistud
K1
belli we that tho best thtiught both
nnwng employers and employed Is snbv
lug In t bis direction Both sldoi to the
cuntrov ersy will thou havo n hoarln aml
n better understanding of tho questions
lirlssuu wllhbu arrived nt
Mayor Whitney of Brooklyn t Tho labor
troubles haro caniod gteat lUtnaga to
business and have put oil ninny public
works mi d great eutorprhei which wuuld
have bet clttiid tho woiklngman Ve
dont nco d rny bigger stanillng arpyt
public set tlmuntls our isftguard w
ohtHeits im d nunrchtsts must bo roughly
dealt with U they dont brhavu thum
Bohes T hoy aro llku tho llttlo boy who >
nteals yoi ir apples If tufts of grnsj
wont btlui hVm down hcrsher nioasurtK
Intuit bo ml opted
Collectoi IUdden > of tho Nnw York
crttstnmttui use I thlnC that the n Stills Of
thu labor d < omonstratlon aro rather open >
Ini iho eyen of thu worktugmtn They
oaii seu nov that they aru cutting tnolr
own throati 1 Ir some of the strikes thoy
are making Iluslncss hart been Injurod
Immensely wo kuotv but wu dont ootiio
In contact v dth tho oBcc to any very
great extent NO Influx ot foreign goods
lunt comu yc t but 1 suppoM ono would1
comoveryH3otilt tliucostdt production
In greatly It tctoaued No we dont need
any more strndlng army It would do
hann Ah 10 rimrchlsw and men of alt
binds who d 0 violence they must ho put
down aud tho workliniiuiu who tries to
Inttmidato must nls uiiJerstand that
when ha stdkes hueidiaujts his rights
HomuBt not attempt tOprevent other
incn from w orMng lu htnplacu Kvery
body wiiutu to elevate thu laboring man
but thoso who nitttf e thn biggest ualsa
about his right are 1 its worst enemies
Anurchy and riot hur t tbo laborer mora
than anything else
Henry llutit president ot the cotton
exchange 1 Yr > st buslricsshkH been seri
ously Injured yory si irlousJy injured but
1 cannot tell rvoviscljy how much How
foolish tho mon are t 0 strike when tbo
profits ou Invostmtul have been getting
smaller and nnmllvrl Homo ot thu strikes
have undoubtedly du nu good to the work
men as for Jtutiiici > that on the street
cars In Brooklyn In which they gained a
reduction of hours bution tho whole the
workmen haw lost lieftslly for not only
aro they outiof potikct allthu money they
would iiave earned all the while they ro
ou strike but they havu In many cases
lost their situation and lu others had to
go back to work nt the old rate of wagest
Ucsldcs tint they hav tacreasedlhu prlcn
ofllvlug Moatforliuiaaw lstwo orthrco
ccn H dearor per pound thanlt was when
tho strikenbegan At ono Umu it did t
look as Hi tho troublla wore a sorotw
danger to the natajna peas bu4 that
period l inssed oy r Tha lighting on
Third avonne for Instance > awen the
street railway rlottM and too police
much more serious than joplo anew
Tho nswspapors mlDlmUed tho amir
AgqodirMny nam who vm cI W
huvu slucu died o 1 h Vu ftpuu Wlctuy A
ofllclaMvho ought to know Wo don i
neertfl bigger stantMngarmyi the ppnee
backed up by the Mate mitttta M
to tilto caro of alt rioters lids trtklnK
fevwuwms to holu the air mid ail ion
Ignurs are catoblnRlt MfbnWJjtWto
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haen
mo that his mm who hM Just
tko country fw montiss eone 9 >
strike
of thn r D8
Austin CorWn preslttent
Ildand railroad M ES5
pretty ensy to get along WIt
tried to do what U rteht w t thero IW
hilled tte prl 2
strlka s have J
injured btulucss tM ne4i WJ
land the stalkers ar the W
ruict will < JSito
mttwecl L
t
dontncca ablggv BliH f5d
violent men aro lfiorut to JgfJJ
nnrpoUM and I UU rtonU liV SS
them AMrchUts J
thulr vwds andm tc < l w1 w ° Jg
and order Thb eooatn g
lm
the o
for sliagood rcan and 0
who eaut let toMnWW w
sbouid boputln the PWW
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they S o ta war wfc
sho4ldS 8lv0 tamall the iwr
hnv < l twhaved t > IflrULau1 lCeVa >
troubles A tot > sl K
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