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RAGSDALE'S
STATEMENT
IN REGARI) TO FLORENCE
POST OFFICE
Set Himself Straight About Inter
view Giv?ix Out by
Ellerbe. /
Florcncs Times
The following statements wcr<
presented yesterday by Hon J \\
Kagsdalc at thc campaign meeting
explaining his position in the
Florence postoflice wrangle. Mi
Haysdale received the undivided
attention of thc large number ol
voters present and was frequently
applauded. At the conclusion ol
his attack on Congressman Flierl)*
ho was given an ovation. In tin
course of his speech bc was frc
fluently interrupted by applause.
A little moro than a year ago, I
think it was in tho carly part . f
1907, Mr O P Berry came to nu
oillec and asked if 1 would draw a
petition for his appointment ns
postmaster at this place, to sue
coed thc incumbent, .1 F Wilson,
a negro. 1 drew tho petition and ai
Mr Hon y's request I signed ii
Mr Berry bad not supported nu
but had worked and voted tor Con
grossman rOllerbo and tho sole
question at that time to be consul
ered was whether my inlluencc
would go for a white man or u
negro. 1 lis petition was subsequent .
ly circulated in Florence anil sign
od by number of prominent citi
/.ons and Mr Berry claimed that
Congressman Fllcrbe had pledget i
him his support anil had promised
Mr 1* A Wilcox of Florence,
S C, and Mr Wm GodbOld ol
Marion, S C, to give Mr Berry
his support. In tho summer ol'
1007 a "smoker" was given Mr
IC 11er bc by tho Board of Trade ol'
Florence and at this "smoker"
Mr Ellerbe pledged himself to
support anyone tor postmaster
whom tho people of Florence sel
ected. A number of candidates
wort? in thc bold anil in order to
centralize thc support of thc white
mon and Democrats upon ono can
didato, a mass mooting was calle?!
in January, l'JO.s, at which Mi'
Kllorbe was expected to be pres
ent. 1 Io did not como and nothing
was done at this meeting. A sec
ond mooting was called for tho
same purpose and whoo 1 went to
this meeting and learned that Mi1
Kllorbe would not bo presenil I
loft. I am informed that Mr .1
W Stroud was endorsed at this
mooting and two days afterwards,
his son-in-law, Dr N W Hicks,
carno to my ollico and requested
mc to go to a meeting at his ollico
for tho purpose ol' trying to secure
thc appoiument of a white man
as postmaster boro. I wont to
this mooting and found some of
tho most prominent business mon
of Florence assembled to discuss
ways and moans to accomplish tb '
removal of tho negro and tho ap
pointment of a white man. A
number ol' suggestions wore made
-to pay Wilson a su'tlieient sum
ol' money to secure his resignation;
to tell bim that sentiment was too
strong to allow him to romain in
ollico-to try to deal through John
(I Capers and others. Finally we
decided to go i tra i gilt to President
Roosevelt and appeal to him as
President of all tho people to lay
aside all politics and consider tho
interests involved. To call his at
tention to tia1, fooling that existed
on account ol' the retention ol' a
negro in a position of ibis kind.
To present fi for his consideration
tho number ol' business houses in
Florence conducted by whites and
how few by negroes and appeal to
him to give us his boasted "Square
Deal." A commiteo consisting ol'
.Hon h. D Smith, president ol'
tho South Carolina Cotton dow
ers Association, Kev. W. P. Ol
ivor, pastor ol' tho Florence Bap
tist, church, and Mr. W. il. Bar
ringer, of the l'u ni ?d' Barringer Ai
Husbands, Insurance, and myself
Were appointed to go i<> Washing
ton to take up I he matter with the
President. An eliot t was made lo
g it some memborof tin- committee
togo to Washington to arrange
for tho conference with the Presi
dent and because no one oise
would go. 1 went, Upon my ar
rival in Washington, 1 called up
Senator Tillman rind made engage
nient, with bim and then tried to
ihako appointment with Congress
man Kllorbe. I lo could not he
found at his hotel, in his ollico or
in the House of Representatives. I
remained in the capital until thc
afternoon,lunching with Congress
man Aiken. Senator Tillman ap
proved of the plan submitted for
tho committee to como to Wash
ington and it was only a desire to
show Congressman rCllorbC every
courtesy that prevented mo from
making the appointment and wir
ing for the committee. The com
mittee did not instruct me to go
to seo Mr Elierbo and my only
reason for doing so was to show
him every courtesy to which ho
could possibly be entitled by reason
of bis official position. About
seven o'clock that evening, Mr El
ierbo came to tho Haleigh hotel
where I was stopping and I then
informed him of our purpose. Ho
disapproved of our plan and stated
that tho President would construe
our position into a threat and
would immediately appoint Wilson
if wo went to him. He said that
ho could not understand why Dr
Hicks had not forwarded the
charges against Wilson. I told him
Dr Hicks was dissatisfied with
Mr Kllor-be's position on account
ol' the correspondence between
them. Mr lil 1er be knew then 1 was
supporting Mr Stroud and he
pledged me then, without reserva
tion, to usehis influence to get Mr
Stroud appointed postmaster at
Florence. He objected to thc com
mittee consisting of Messrs Smith,
( )liver and Barringer, coming to
Washington and at his suggestion
1 wrote following telegram and
submitted it to him, he going to
thc telegraph olliee in thc hotel
with mc
(Copy of telegram)
l-BJ-'OS
X W Hicks,
Florene ,\ S C
Rush petition as now prepared
and signed to Kllerbe. Don't send
( 'omhnttcc.
,J W langsdale.
We then went back to the lobby
and he then suggested that I mool
thc South Carolina Delegation and
discuss tho matter with them ask
ing nu; if 1 knew them. I told
him 1 knew all ol' them very pleas
antly except Congressman Legare
whom 1 had never met and whom
1 hail endeavored to get to assist
me when I went to Washington in
190-1 to consult with Congressman
Scarborough about our Govern
ment Building and that Mr Le
gare ?lid not even come out in thc
lobby when 1 sent my card in ami
for that reason 1 did not caro tn
ask anything at his hand. I in
formed him 1 would be glad tc
meet anyone whom he might i;.
\ ito to be present. The next day
I went by appointment to thc Cap
itol and joined Congressmen Lovci
Findley and Kllerbe in a With
drawing Room where thc question
of tue advisability of going to thc
President was again discussed. 1
informed those present that Sena
twr Tillman approved of our plat
but Messrs Findley and Lever con
curred in Mr KUerbe's opinior
that it would be unwise to go tc
thc President. 1 explained freely
that we would make our pos i ti Ol
clear,that we were not threatening
but petitioning and Mr Level
said: "President Roosevelt is 49
LOOths crazy and you can't deal
with him as you would anothei
man." J then told then frankly
that 1 was afraid ol' persona
violence ami asked if they knew ol
no way to prevent the appoint
ment. Mr Findley stated he wai
afraid nothing could be done unti
after the Republican Convention;
this summer. I then suggostOe
that possibly Wilson could he por
studed to resign and rccommenc
a successor and asked if the.\
could have him appointed. Mi
Findley asked me how we wonk
try to get Wilson to resign anil 1
told him by getting some one to aol
as postmaster and give Wilson tin
salary; thereby securing the ap
pointment of three white men ii
thc olficc instead of the throe
negroes now employed there
besides the postmater. 1 said t(
explain my position suppose 1
were appointed-apparently
would be postmaster while Wilso]
would really draw the salary, i
being paid to him privately. 1 wa:
not in any sense of the word a can
date for the olliee and 1 am sur?
no one present thought that I was
My elford was directed soldi
lo getting rid of tin; negro post
master and his negro assistants an<
in securing white men in their pla
ces, Mr Kllerbe raised no objee
lion to my suggestion nor did M
Lover. Mr Findley stated that lu
was on the Postollico com mittet
and that it was a violation of tin
law to try to farm oui an of li ct
and for I hat reason ho could no
agree with the plan. He then stig
gested that 1 see Senator Tillmai
and request him to hold up I he ap
point ment if it should bo made ant
that when I came homo to endeav
or to get Judge Brawlcy and Co
Jenkins interested in securing ;
white man for thal .olliee. Mr Kl
loi he in the meantime was to us
hrs efforts to prevent tho Presiden
from reappointing Wilson. W
then separated, as 1 thought will
ovorybody in perfect harmony am
I Know nothing ol' anybody havinj
proposed anything that was "re
pugnant to Mr Kllerbe" nor di'
bc once make any suggestion o
being opposed to anything exeep
tho committee coming to Washing
ton to seo tho President. Ho said
if wo wanted to uso our judgmont
rather than his ho would arrange
the conforenco for us. I immedi
ately abandoned our plans and so
informed those present. Mr Find
ley and Mr Kllorbe tho n went off
somewhere and I did no seo either
of them again until I heard the
next week that they had given out
tho details of what I what I
thought was a private conference
and 1 went to then, before its pub
lication to endeavor to prevent it.
Mr Lover and myself went to lunch
immediately after tho conference,
in ibo basement, and I then dicta
ted tho following lotter and sub
mitted it to Mr Lover:
(Letter)
Kev W B Oliver,
Florence, S C.
Dear Sir:
1 have had a conference with
Senators Tillman and another con
ference with Messrs Fllerbe,
Findley and Lover of tho South
Carolina Delegation, in tho inad
visability of a conference with thc
President along the linos discussed
bv ns in Florence. Tho consensus
of opinion is that it would bo un
wise to hold such a conference
with tho President at this time.
1 wired Dr Hicks to rush charges
as signed to Kllorbo at once and
not to send tho delegation here.
Kllorbe has not yet received the
charges and is anxious to have the
petition como forwrrd at once. Ile
will use his influence to prevent
the re appointment and Senatoi
Tillman is confident that ho can
hold up tho appointment until af
ter this session ot congress, ?it
which time it will bo moro easy to
prevent the appointment than ii
will bo just now. Please say t<
Dr Hieles that it is important tc
got out petition at orna?, and that
we deem it best not to interview
the president now. I would pre
fer that nothing oise bo given out
now.
Yours trul v,
Jan. 17, 1908.
In this letter 1 thought I gave
all assisting us in our adair credit
for their efforts and criticised nt
ono. 1 then wont to Senator Till
mar and told him what had occur
ed. Me sent for Senator Clay o
Georgia and consulted with bin
him about tho whole situation ant
Senator Clay stated that ho wouh
talk to thc president about tin
changos of removing Wilson, Tlv
next day I met Dr Dicks of Viol
ence on Pennsylvania Avomn
about 11 o'clock and learned fo
tho first time that he had not fol
lowed instructions in every wa;
and had not sent the potction am
charges to Mr Ellerbe. Ho sai'
bc distrusted Mr Kllorbo an
would not risk the paper in hi
hands until he had assured hin
either in his presence of w itu esse
or in writing that he wc nhl wor
for Mr Stroud. That his corros
popdencc with Mr Ellerbe wa
unsatisfactory and that ho had n
conlidcnco in him. 1 loki bim thu
Mr Ellerbe had promised to sui
port Mr Stroud and suggested thii
wo go to his hotel, tho Metr?poli
tan, which was near, to sc
him. Dr Hicks said ho hada
ready boon to his hotel and th
capital and his ollico and could nt
lind him. ?lust then Senator Ola
carno Up and 1 introduced D
Hicks to h'm as tho son-in-law c
the man wc wanted for postman
ter. Senator Clay said "I am jil!
back from tho president and ho hf
kcard of no dissatisfaction at tl
postoilicc at Florence. Go st
Senator Tillman and tell him to ?
at once to Postinastor (Jener;
Meyer." 1 asked him if we hu
not bettor get Congressman Elle
bo and others and ho said "Ni
leave that to Tillman." It follow
of course, that a southern s?nat?
is backed by his whole del?gala
when bc tries to have a white mi
supplant a negro." "Wo thank?
him and wont to Senator Tillman
ollico. Ho communicated wi
Postmaster General Moyer wi
came to tho capitol to a com mitti
mooting shortly afterward. Sen
tor Tillman, Dr H icks and myse
met him in the lobby and presen
ed tho charges and petition at
then returned to Senator 'Pi ll ma i
ollico. Dr llicks left Wash'mgti
shortly afterward bidding mo go<
bye on the st reel car. 1 remain
in Washington. This was on Si
unlay, tho 19th day of Januar
Tho appointment was sot for ne
day. ( In Tuesday thc 2*2d Mr 1
lorbo sent dow H an int ervicw
the South Carolina pupers in rep
to a publication in tho Nows a
( louricr.
1 called him over tho phone a
informed him that I had nothi
to do with the article and protest
against the publication ol' bis i
ticlo on the grounds that if it wc
inexpedient to go to tho preside
privately, certainly this artic
would defeat anything we mi?
hope to accomplish. ll" stat
that ho would publish the article
1 then called up Congressman F
tiley ?nd went to his room in an
other hotel where I found him and
Mr Ellorbe. I then showed Mr
Findley the letter i had written
Mr Oliver giving them full credit
for their effort to help ns and to'd
him that I knew nothing of and
had nothing to do with the article,
published in tho "News and l'ou
rler". We tried to get P II Mo
Gowan, author of thc article, ovei
the phone but failed. That night
I saw Mr McGowan and he told
me that be had told Mr Kllerbe in
McGowan Holmos' presence that 1
was not responsible for his article
and that he had not gotten his in
formation from me. McGowan
Mohnes corroborated this in Con
gressman Lsvcr's presence when
they were in Columbia w ith the
funeral party of thc late Senator
Latimer. I came to South Caro
lina thc next day. At the request
of of different members of thc
committee I held back my answer
to the effort of Mr Kllerbe to in
juro nie until after the adjourn
ment of the senate when Wilson
cannot I e confirmed.
Hon E D Smith and Dr N W
Hicks went to Washington shortly
after my return. Any statement
that f sought for myself except
with the committee, a nrivate in
tcrview with the president-that
1 wits a candidate for postmaster!
it Florence -that I made any
statement, that justified the article
in the "Nows and Courier*' is ab
whitely false.
nu MICK'S STAT KM KNT.
Florence. S C. May 13, 1908.
I have road tho above statement
of Mr .1 W Kaydale and n^ted
Iiis references therein to me. Tie'
Tho conversations alleged to have
ta' en place in my presence and
the statements credited to me are
properly stated by him and his
statement is entirely true in so far
?is DIV knowledge goes. I went to
Washington instead of sending tho
petitition as r?rj lested as requested
hy Mr Uiigsdalo boonuso from cor
rcs pon don ce from Mr Kllerbe and
from other information I hoi loved
him tr? be pledged to Mr C P Ber
ry and not Iccepmg faith with u?
iP'd 1 was unwilling to trust Mr
Stroit d's petition in his hands un
til he had assured me in writing or
in the nrosonco of witnesses that
lie would usc his endeavor to se
cure Mr St roud's appointment.
After returning to Florence at tho
rennest of Mr Ellorbe I went with
K I) Smith to Washington after
tho publication of Mr KUerbe's ar
ticle, in tl o News and Courier and
Mr Kllerbe stated to me that Bags,
n'aie requested him to support Mr
Stroud at the first interview that
was hold in Washington and that
he committed himself unreserved
ly to Mr Stroud. From my know
ledge of all tho facts in the case
including my correspondence with
Mr Kllerbe and the inf irmation
derived on my two visits tn Wash
ington I believe that Mr Bagsdale
was neting throughout in good
faith ami endeavoring at all times
to secure Ute appointment of Mr J
W Stroud.
(Signed) N W Hicks.
MK OMVKlt's. sTATKM KN ; .
On the 1 nh dav of January of
this year. Dr N W Hicks'mot me
on Evans street in Florence. SC,
and asked nie to come to his olliee
that afternoon to meet and talk
with other citizens of Florence
concerning the post olliee situa
tion and Mr .1 \V Stroud's candi
dacy for the. postmastership.
There were a do/en or more
gentlemen present at this confer
ence at Dr Hicks's olliee, all, with
thc exception of myself, business
men of tho city. Mr NV Li Bar
ringer was asked to act as chair
man and did so. The object of
tia? mooting was stated as being
two-fold-primarily, to try to se
cure a white postmaster. Second
arily-if any method could be devi
sed to secure assurance of a white
postmaster, to urge tho appoint
mont of Mr Stroud who was tho
nominee ?d' a general citizens mass
meeting, hold some days previous
to this conference. These two
propositions were freely discussed,
every tuan present, taking part in
tho discussion and as tho first
proposition was logically and by
stress of circumstances thc chief
topic, it was given principal con
sideration. Various ideas were ad
vanced, considered and discarded.
Several gent leinen feared that vi
olence and race antagonism might
result should a negro 1)0 appointed
or rc-app inted; bul till expressed?
ti desire to avoid any trouble and
II willingness to do anything rea
stumble to pi event it. Finally it
was agreed thal a committee, sup
plcmentary to tho committee ap
pointed by thc above mentioned
mass meeting should he sent to
Washington to lay the situation
boforo tho L* rosi dont-'il' an inter
view could bo had with him and to
appeal to his ACUSO of fairness and
his power to relieve, the us, both
nf existing unpleasant conditions
mid ol'danger of future violence, j
This committee was instructed to !
go direct to President Roosevelt, 1
if possible, and it was thought <
best not to annoy our congress- i
mon with tho master as ho was al- 1
ready said to bo working through 1
routine channels in conjunction 1
with tho citizens' committee and, I
also, as he was understood to bo 1
under certain obligations that l
might causo embarrassment. Tho I
expenses of tho committeo were to 1
bo borne by tko gentlemen taking 1
part in tho conforenco. I made a i
m 'tinn that Messrs J W Rugs
dale, K 1) Smith and W R Barrin
ger should be tho members of this
committee These gentlemen wore
chosen ard my name was added.
It was useless for the committee 1
to iro to Washington as a whole
without knowing when the Presi
dent would seo us or whether wc
could obtain audience at all; there- i
fore wc decided to send
ono man to arra* go for an inter
view and Mr R a g s d alo
was asked to go, tho others hold
ing themselves in readiness to an
swer his summons. Before leav
ing Flopmee on tho night of Jan
uary 10th, ho had a conversation
with mein which ho stated that ho
thought courtesy demanded recog
nition of our representative in this
matter and that ho would SOO both
Mr Kllorbo and Senator Tillman i
and would wiro or write as soon as
any decision was reached. On tho
morning of tho 18th (Saturday) 1
received a letter from Mr Ragsdalo
dated January lTth, stating that
ho had talked with Congressman
Ellerbe, Findley and Lever and
their judgement was that an inter
view with tho President was inox
podient and asking mo to seo Dr
Hicks and tell him to rush the pa
pers ho had. I went immediately
' in search of Dr Hicks and found
that he had received a telegram
from Mr Ragsdalo on Friday in
answer thereto had gone to Wash
ington carrying with him Mr
Stroud's petition and other papers
bearing on tho case. In a conver
sation during tho next week-af
ter his return from Washington
Dr Hieles told me that he, in com
nany with Senator Tillman and
Mr Ragsdalo met Postmaster Gen
eral Moyer and that he saw tho
papers given to Mr Meyer and
that he took thom personally in
stead of sending thom to Mr Kl
lorbe as requested, because ho (Dr
Hicks) was not satisfied with Mr
Kllorbo's non-committal attitude to
ward Mr Stroud.
As tho committee could not get
an interview with tho President
wo dropped out of tho affair, after
Mr Ragsdaic made his report to
tho gentlement of tho conference,
a day or two after his return from
Washington.
W P? Olive
Florence, S 0, May 12, 1908.
S KN ATO lt TILLMAN'S LF.TTKU.
Gibraltar, May L>5, 1908.
Hoii .1 W Ragsdalo,
Florence, S C.
My I ?ear Sir:
Responding to your request, I
beg to say: When you came to
Washington last winter to see
about getting a white postmaster
at Florence you asked my advice
and assistance of which of course
1 was reatly to give. After talk
ing over the situation. I told you
1 did not fool it would bo unwise
to call on tho President and in
conversation ?is a prominet ci ti/.on
and business nam, one of a com
mittee from the pcoplo, urge \\
white man foi-the place and to say
incidentally that you feared there
might bo an outbreak similar to
the one of Lake City if your loYig
su Hering people found themselves
saddle I with a negro again. 1
said the result would depend on
tho way in which it was done and
you said you would confer with
Mr Kllorbe about it. 1 told you 1
felt I might, be able lo keep tho
negro from hoing appointed if the
right sort of protest and statement
of facts was made and no ono oise
meddled with tho matter?
Dr Wicks caine on in tho next
few day.-; with these papers and 1
telephoned to tho P O Dept U|
mn ko an appointment with,, tho /P
M (J for us, you only to seo lfiim
and in tho moan time I had got.ten
?un ;i.,'iMMW<", in i fy M j,' II III ? ''?yapa?
Donator Clay of Qa, to BOO tho '
President and toll him in a quiet
way what? wo feared should ? ne
?ro bo given tho placo again. I
found the P M (T was coming in a
little while to the capitol to appear
Ijofore a commit tie and I arranged
to meet him at tho Senate Wing
Door. Wo did this and as I walked
through tho corridor I gayo him a
brief statement of tho situation arid
left the petition and protest with
him. He said ho would take the
matter up at once and let me know
whethor he would do anything
more A. day or two after there ap
peared a signed statement in tho
News and Courier from some our
congressmen about you and th*?$*
O Dept and the threat to Roose
velt about killing a negro j* M otc.
With this matter I have notftingto
clo or say. But I am confident I
could have secured a white post
master if this publication had not
appeared. In nono of our conver
sations was your name over
tioncd as a possible candidate fwar
thc place. Stroud alono was con
sidered and no other name was
mentioned. As soon as I saw tho
News and Courier article I gave
up the case as hopeless because
Roosevelt's efforts to get ncgio
delegates for Taft compelled him
to re-appoint Wilson after the so
eallcd threats to kill appeared in
print. Clay alone said anything
about that to thc President and he
said there was no explosion, but I
know tho News and Courier was
sent to the White House and in a
few days Wilson's name came to
the Senate. Then all I cpu ld do
was to hold it up. I believe this
covers thc ground outlined by you.
I am very truly , ^
B R Tillman?'
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