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in front of the dictagraph transmitter,
at a distance of about six feet. I took
a chair opposite him and his friend,
Whom he introduced aa the county re
corder, a Mr. Pagsy, sat on the bed. I
did not care to discuss our deal?that
between Mr. Nichols and myself?In
the presence of Mr. Pagsy, and, ac
cordingly the conversation that took
place for about five mlntes was only
"Aa near as I can recall, the con
versation was in reference to Mr.
Nichols leaving Spartauburg on Satur
day night. He stated that he left
Spartanburg Saturday night and came
direct to Washington, and that he was
pretty well Intoxicated when he ar
rived here at Washington, and did
not want to meet any of his friends.
He said ho registered at the Continen
tal Hotel near the depot. Ho stayed
around* Washington for ? couple of
dayB, and then went to the Altamount
Hotel In Baltimore, and had Just ar
rived there and registered and was as
signed to his room when I called for
him. He said he was in the bar room
at the time I left my card at the desk
of the hotel, and that he called them
down for not looking him up. I then
remarked that I was wondering If he
caught that train on Saturday evening
at Spartanburg, as he had only four
teen minutes after I left him. I ex
plained that he ran his machine at
great speed from the Merchants* Club
to the depot, and that while we were
en route we hit a buggy; that I stop
ped him and after being questioned as
to who I was I left the vicinity very
Bhortly after, leaving him and his ne
gro chauffeur, to proceed alone to the
train, and that I walked back up town
with his father. Mr. Nichols remarked
that Mr. Pagsy was also a Justice of
the peace, or a court Justice, and that
he himself was city attorney, conse
quently we could not have gotten Jn
trouble for a violation of the speed
laws. I told him that all I was afraid
of was that we would kill somebody.
"I then began to discuss our matter
in a general way, saying to Mr. Nichols
'in regard to that deal of ours, I have
been thinking the matter over, and my
opinion Is that we stiould perhaps re
duce the amount agreed on, $30,000, to
a smaller amount.' Mr. Nichols i'eplled
that he had been thinking the matter
over, too, and thought that he ought to
make possibly some deduction, or at
least agree on a different amount. Mr.
Pa^gsy had very little to say, and, at
this juncture, Mr. Nichols suggested
that perhaps as long as he and myself
had a personal matter to discuss that
we would meet Mr. Pagsy a little later.
Mr. Pagsy excused himself and left the
room, Frying that he would see us
down in the lobby. I remarked as he
went out the door that we would not
be long, and that we would soon be
down for lunch. I closed the door, and
Mr. Nichols and I took the same seats
as we had occuplod before and started
in on our conversation, which, no
doubt, was recorded by the dicta
graph. The confusion of the three of
us talking for about five minutes would
no doubt prevent the stenographer
from being able to distinguish the
voices and record accurately the con
versation. No one was present In my
room until the conclusion of our Inter
view, except Samuel J. Nichols and
"When we left the room, the stenog
rapher, Mr. Relk. according to my in
structions, was in the hall .?ad saw
Mr. Nichols and myself leave Room
441; saw me lock my door, and also
saw Mr. Nichols and myself proceed
to the elevator and we proceeded down
together. Mr. Nichols and his friend
and myself proceeded to the bar, where
were served drinks, and later went into
the dining room, where we were served
dinner. After dinner was served Mr.
Nichols insisted that I accompany him
to Baltimore; that he wanted me to
meet Senntor Tlllmnn. of South Caro
lina, and also Senator Smith and a
few of hit* friends. I consented to do
so, and securing a taxlcab, we were
driven to the railroad station and
boarded a train for Baltimore at 3
The Alleged Dictagraph Record.
it was stated In the testimony that
the conversation below, between Mr.
Nichols and Mr. Porter, was made In
the presence of a friend of Mr. Nich
ols, named Pagsy, county recorder
from Spartanburg, S. C; (
Mr. Porter: I will never forget that
automobile trip as long as I live.
Mr. Nichols: I don't even remember
leaving you. When did I leave you,
anyhow? I took that automobile ride
Mr. Porter: When we hit that bug
gy; do you remember that?
Mr. Nichols: No, I don't remember
Mr. Porter: These poople wanted to
know what my name was. I toid mem
/ was only a spectator. There was
no damage done anything. So I didn't
go down to tho train with you.
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Mr. Nichols: Where did hit the
Mr. Porter: After we turned on the
main square and passed the monu
ment, we met a street car as we turned
down a side street. There were bug
gies on each side and how we managed
to get through without striking any
one I don't know. We made it all
right, however, and passed between
one of the buggies and the street car.
Mr. Nichols: That was the wildest
ride. Where did we hit the buggy? .
Mr. Porter: Right down on the lit
tle street as you turn from the square
to go to the station, about the second
block down: anyway, that was the
place. 5 After we struck the buggy, I
shut off your power and you slowed
down. I left the machine, as a crowd
was gathering and one of the citizens
asked me my name. About this time,
your father appeared and spoke to you.
He asked you what you were doing
there; that you had told him thai y,ou
were going to Greor. I stepped.to one
side and allowed your father to talk to
you, and a few moments,later I heard
you tell him that you were going to
Baltimore on the > o'clock train, When
I got out of the machine your father
was standing on the curb,'and your
driver, Toney, persuaded you to let him
drive the car. You had but a few min
utes loft, and I wasn't certain whether
or not you would be able to make your
train. Do you know how much money
you gave to me that night?
Mr. Nichols: How much?
Mr. Porter: Fifteen dollars. (Laugh-i
Mr. Nichols: Whero did you go to?
Mr. Porter: I went to New York the
next day. I wrote a letter to Mr. Sims,
and ' gave him the Information he
wanted, and told him I would either
go on East or go through Chicoga;
so I got busy1 and went to Chicago. I
called up Baltimore several times yes
terday to get you.
Mr. Nichols: You left the hotel yes
terday and hadn't been gone five min
utes before I got your call. You Just
had gotten away and gone when I got
Mr. Porter: I took that next train
back to Washington.
Mr. Nichols: Some of the boys
brought the card then; I was down in
the hall when you came In there. Then
I went out and din't get your tele
gram?well, I didn't know until this
morning when I rang you up.
Mr. Porter: Did you have a good
time last night?
Mr. Nichols:. Yes, the whole bunch
of us; quite a crowd.
Mr. Porter: I called you up last
night several times.
Mr. Nichols: Yes, the clerk told me
Mr. Porter: I was a little anxious to
get back, but I wanted to have a word
with you and to see you first. I had
some business in New York city, and
was also anxious to return to Chicago
as soon as possible, and decided to stop
off at Baltimore and hunt you up.
Mr. Nichols: Do yu think it would be
necessary for me to go there?
Mr. Porter: I hardly think so.
Mr. Nichols: Well, we will have to
Mr. Porter: I suppose we can talk
matters over here, can't we, all rlgt?
You know we have made some sort of
Mr. Nichols: Yes, I remember that.
Mr. Porter: I had a talk with this
party, my client. I tried to detain him
here to see you, but he decided that
he could not wait any longer and left
last night for Chicago. Now, you ask
mo, If you remember, about what I
thought their limit would be. Do you
remember, Mr. Nichols?
Mr. Nichols: Yes.
Mr. Porter: And I told you $10,000
Mr. Nichols: Yes.
Mr. Porter: Now, Mr. Sims Is a man
I didn't figure on. I didn't want to
have anyone associated with us In the
matter, and I wanted you to benefit
entirely by any dealings we might
have, though I believe it would be only
fair to treat Mr. Sims as you think
best and deal with him yourself as to
any favors he could do In the matter,
but I think you and I ought to agree,
perhaps, on a little different basis.
M. Nichols: I rather thought so my
Mr. Porter: Now, here Is what the
prisoner told me In regard to his be
ing defended. He Insisted that he had
had no lawyer, nor had he paid any
money during his trial, for attorney's
fees. He told me that he didn't re
member of Attorney Sims, or anybody
else, defending him. He said, "I think,
from the fact that I got ten years, is
sufficient to say that nobody defended
me." (Laughter.) "They might as weil
have given me life, as I cannot live for
ten years here. I have had one or two
major operations, and am stfll In Very
had shape physically."
'*Mr. "Nichols: Sims represents that
class r>f criminate. I know he 'did rep
resent a bunch of those yeggmen there,
and it occured to me that he was the
Mr. Portor: I know what Sling* was,
for Instance, and for that reason did
not want to talce the jhAtter up with
him. I know there wouldn't be enough
for all of us. I can't explain to my
cllont some of the reasons why this
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have to doal with my people in my own
day. They have a general idea of
what fooa would bo oxpected in this
case. I think I can do fairly well with
them. I didn't make *he proposition
to the repreaentativo wno was here.
He wasn't the main man; but I thought
wo had better have a little talk first,
and If we can agree, then all right.
Mr. Nichols:Mr. Pagsy, if you don't
ml ml, Mr. Porter and I have a little
private matter to discuss, and couldn't
you wait for us down in the lobby?
(Mr. Pagsy replied that he would1 be
glad to wait a little while for us, and
left the room. Mr. Porter remarked
that we would soon be. down foi lunch.
Mr. Pagsy remarked, as he stepped out
of the door, "I will be In the lobby,
down-stairs, waiting for you." All
subsequent conversation was between
Mr. Porter and Mr. Nichols.)
Mr. Nichols: You said you had a wild
and woolly ride?
Mr. Porter: ,Mr. Nichols, I have had
a good many rides, but I never took as
wild a trip as that in my life. The
reason I got in with you, i didn't want
you to get hurt. You opened her tip
wide; I bad one leg out; this chauffeur
was hanging on behind.
" Mr. Nichols: Was he with us?
Mr. Porter: Yes.. I wanted him to
drive when we. left the club, but you
insisted on running the car, and ho
jumped on behind. You handled the
car so nicely last night that I thought
possibly we would get along all right.
Mr. Nichols: We didn't break up
anything, did we?
Mr. Porter: No, we didn't. Do you
know what we did? Drunk nearly a
quart of Scotch whiskey.
Mr. Nichols: I know we did.
a' r. Porter: You were all right \.nen
v/e left my room in the Hotel Finch,
but after we had been at the club for
a while and you got to drinking beer,
you seemed to go all to pieces. You
were quite entertaining to the crowd
who were there, and I rather think the
boys rather blamed your condition on
me. I was sorry that the old gent,
your father, showed up when he did,
I don't know .how he happened to be
there. You said: "Never mind those
people, we just grazed them."
Mr. Nichols: Now, I will tell you
about this man, Sims. Sims of course,
talked to me about it, and he evident
ly thinks he ought to be associated
with me In this matter, and, of course,
we could use him all right; there is
no doubt about that, but, whatever we
do, I think you and myself ought to
get together on It by ourselves. You
let me take care of Sims.
Mr. Porter: I prefer not to have any
dealings with him and not to know
what you do with him. What you and
I do personally will be all right, and
your influence, of course, with the
governor will pave the way for us, al
though T do not think there will be
Mr. Nichols: There will not be much
trouble, I tell you now, as I told you
before; but still I want to get my peti
tions up. We have to justify the gov
ernor's actions; we have to Justify our
selves. I can get up a petition of two
thousand names among the voters here
who are friends of Governor Blease,
and this will help to justify any ac
tion the governor might take. The
governor will also want some Influen
tial people to request him to grant this
pardon, and I will take down with me,
Mr. Landrum .who is on the governor's
stnff, the mayor of tho town, Johnson,
and Mr. Lloyd. Of course, I will see
the governor first, and when they see
him he will agree with them to some
thing that he has already agreed with
Mr. Porter: It is something, of
courne, that Is done every day. and by
using these methods we would prob
ably not be suspected.
Mr. Nichols: It is a question of our
icing paid, and not the govednor. or
course That Is all there is to it.
Mr. Porter: I shoul ' want to see him
get something; I do not care how he
Mr. Nichols: Of course, whatever I
get he will get his part of it: but that
i Just between you and me. I mean
he won't insist. The only thing I can
see, of course, is that some of the
money I get out of this will be for
running his campaign up there.
Mr. Porter: Of course, he will under
stand It. I didn't expect you to hand
it to him. But when I am making an
agreement with you, Mr. Nichols, I
wanted to put In the amount sufficient
for two instead of one. You do what
ever you think best. It is not my first
experience, nor yours, and I wanted to
see everybody treated nicely, except
we want to do It in a nice, clean way.
When I spoke of $10,000 I didn't hesi
tate to say that because I feel that
amount can bo paid, and I think you
could figure on at least $5,000 yourself,
and it you. wanted to use the balance
for campaign purposes for the gov
ernor it would be all right, but that is
a pretty fair fee for a proposition like
that, Is it not?
Mr. Nlcholsr That Is a pretty fair
'fee unless the amount Involved Would
warrant more. The question is", I? it
enough compared' to the amount in
Mr. Porter: It doesn't entirely de
pend' upon the freedom of this con"
vidi, an to the 'sacis*'"Uiory settlement
of this estate, but 'X is desirable, nev
Mr. Nichols: It you^f statement Is
correct, that this fellow can't get this
money unless he is liberated, your cli
ents would afford to pay a great deal
more. Of course, 1 don't want you to
I charge them any fee that you can't
jusuiy. 1 j
Mr. Porter: I simply wanted to state
a minimum figure,'with you, and If I
ean go over that, so much the hotter,
but I don't want to put up a proposi
tion to my people that would make It
look bad for me. My own reputation
Is at stake. I can handle these things
protty nicely, but it will make some
difference as to how matters are han
dled. I don't care to impose upon my
client, bo wo had better fix the amount
at, say $10,000, anyway, and then, if
we can get prompt action. I will offer
a bonus, that is the governor. You
say that you will have to split your
fee with Mr. Sims;'and- if so he would
have to alsO.have $6,000, if you wer? to
receive that amount.
Mr. Nichols: Here is the only trouble
about that; I am in such a position
that T would have to give him some
thing. He thinks he is as much in it
as I am.
Mr. Portor: The governor?
Mr. Nichols: Yes,. Now, it is unfor
tunate that the situation Is this way
with 8!ms.' I have handled a good
many oases, and I go ahead'and he
air/ays took me-in a case with him, aa
a rulo, because' ho nas no' influenco
there; that is the whole Upshot of it.
He Is smart, but he doesn't stand with
them as ho ought to stand; but he is an
awfully energetic fellow and a hard
worker, and always whatever I get I
split with him.
Mr. Porter:1 That 1S no more than
Mr. Nichols: That Is just the way 1
feel about it. I feel if I take hold of
the matter at all it Bhould be that way.
Mr. Porter: That is what governed
my 'particular actions; i - wanted to
treat you right.
Mr. Nichols: You never could have
retten him out. that is all there is to
it. without me.
Mr. Porter: I presume If I had gone
to Sims with this kind of a proposi
tion It would have been all right. Well, ?
you will have no trouble, I presume,
In explaining to Mr. Sims that we have
made a compromise,'that we have de
ckled on the amount, that is the min
imum.' Of course, y?? can1 take care
of him yourself.
Mr. Nichols: YeB; I can take care of
him, In other words, If I say $10,000.
suppose we use $9.000 of it and I tell
him we wo?ld agree to do that andj
split the'balance of it; he will accept
without a word; because he knows it
is true. He Wouldn't question anything
I do In the matter, because he knows
I will give him a square deal about it.
But I will tell you; I think this about
It; I think If we can get your man out,
I think we ought to agree on a mini
mum fee of say $15,000; $5,000 to go to
ie $5.000 to- Mr. Sims and 5.000 to the
Mr. Porter: To the governor?
Mr. Nichols: To other places that we
might use it for.
Mr. Porter: I think we had better
figure it that way. I don't want you to
receive , less than $5,000, because you
have been worth It.
Mr. Nichols: I wouldn't take it for
Mr. Porter: I wouldn't ask you to.
Mr. Nichols: I don't think you would
either: I realize that those people you
ropresent would not realize what will
^ave to be done* that Is the reason I
Want to see this other man of yours,
because I can possibly explain It to
him better than you could.
Mr. Portor: Yes, and I want you to.
Mr. Nichols: I possibly could do so.
Mr. Porter: Tf you could possibly ar
range to come to Chicago, I think that
he would understand fully the situa
tion. You know how they feel to
wards an attorney. For Instance, I
might represent certain things and
thev will say this fellow over there Is
looking for a good fe<> and you could
explain to them though, as you did to
me. that It is the only way.
Mr. Nichols: In other words, 1 figure
It this way: when I explain to them If
I had as much at stake as that fellow
has got, I wouldn't kick on their fee;
that Is the way I feel about It, and I
think I would convince them of that
fact. Of course, we want to know this;
we want to know If this thing went
through there wouldn't be any question
about getting thlB fee.
Mr. Porter: No. indeed; you leave
that to me. There will not be a move
made until the money Is ready.
Mr. Nichols: Until the money Is put
up where we can get It.
Mr. Porter: Yes. Do you remember
my giving you a check for $i>00?
Mr. Nichols: No; did you give me a
check for that amount?
Mr. Porter: Yes, I gave you a check
Mr. Nichols: What did I do with it?
Mr. Porter: It was on account of ex
penses. It Is on deposit to your ac
count In the Bank of Commerce.
Mr, Nichols: Did I get that check?
Mr. Porter; Yes, and endorsed It:
called up the cashier, Hendrloksj lie
came ?p and said It was all right.
Mr. Nichols: It was the Bank of
Mr. Porter: Yes.
Mr. Nichols: It Is on deposit there
Mr. Porter: Lea. (Laughter.) I was
not sure If you remembered It or not.
Mr. Nichols: That Is the first tlmo I
ever thought of It.
Mr. Porter: You don't remember be
ing very much Intoxicated?
Mr. Nichols: I am this way. I get
drunk and I know pretty much what I
am doing the wholo tlmo I am unoer
the influence of that liquor, but after
I get sobor I do not know a thing
about it. I don't romomber getting on
the train at all.
Mr. Porter: You could call on me in
Chicago and then go down and present
Mr. Nichols i It is JuBt as I say; the
only hook-Up In the thing I am afraid
of I? that Please might not want to
take nnr notion before the election.,
Mr. Portdr: .Before* the election?
Mr> NlchoU: Yes1, I know Just how he
feera towards me and I know Just what
I catr d??at leset I? think I do*-the
only thing is that he might think he
doesn't want to take anjr action be
fore the election! but J know he will
take action after'the election, because
he needs the money for the election.
Mr. Porter: Surely $5;000 might elect
Mr. Nichols: Yes; Bleaso hasn't got
It. He has to get It somewhere else.
Mr. Porter: That Is what I thought,
Mr. Nichols. I don't want to take ad
vantage or the governor. I want to
treat him right.
Mr. Nichols: I don't, either, but 1
know the situation. The other crowd
that is running against him have all
the hioney thoy want. He haB'nt got
anything. As I told you, in running
that last campaign tho expenses in
my county I met myself, and 1 would
do it again if necessary, but still If
he could get this money It would help
him wonderfully in his campaign. I
will tell him this, "If this thing is done
and done now, you needn't worry and
I needn't worry." I will say, "I am
not going to give you a cent of this,
but will make you a promise that so
much will be 'used. So much will be
mine and so much will be yours."
' Mr POrtef: Ordinarily, a man might
hesitate, but at this same time we are
looking after our own case. I want
prompt action, because 1 have to leavo
tonight. And I might possibly be-able
to stick od a little more if he felt in
clined to do'business quickly; and I
don't care whether It Is Governor
Blease or anybody else, tho more
moiiey they have to spend, the better
their chances are. He has a light on
Mr. Nichols: He has a hell of a fight
on his bands.
Mr. Potter: And $5,000 or $10.000
will go a long ways down there in that
co? n try.
Mr. Nichols: No doubt of it.
Mr. Porter: Or anywhere else. Now,
up In' my country, In Montana, they
have to Spend money like water, and I
And that'In most oases of this kind it
is'Customary to ubo money. I iwll tell
you. In a transaction of this kind I
prefer to haVe it right between yeu
Mr. Nichols: I do too.
Mr. Porter: Now, th.1'* is a delicate
matter, .and my suggestion would be,
In presenting the situation to the gov
ernor, that you should say that this
convict has no money to spend; that
his health is very bad,' that he is serv
ing a sentence now for which he has
already served a portion of It; that
public sentiment Is with the prisoner,
and always has been; I do not believe
that under these circumstances the
governor would hesitate at all in tak
ing, prompt action. The prisoner told
me that he has had two major opera
tions there, for append it Is; that his
five-year sentence in a Federal prison
started him off wrong, as far as his
health Is concerned. The prisoner need
not know that any money is being
used in his behalf.
Mr. Nichols: No, I wouldn't let him
know that at all.
Mr. Porter: It means a whole lot to
you If the governor Is elected with the
standing that you have with him.
Mr. Nichols: Of course It does.
Mr. Porter: It is very fortunate that
we should have met. What do you
find law practice down there. Is It
Mr. Nichols: Well. It Is pretty lu
crative. Mr. Porter. They have em
ployes there In the court. I don't doubt
they go over $10,000 a year. Last year,
and Just betwen us, we collected $21.
000! of course, we have two other fel
lows working for us there; that In
Mr. Porter: Now. I think we can
leave it that way and wo will make the
minimum price of $15,000, and out of
that you can get $5,000, and Sims can
get $5.000 and the rest of It can go to
Mr. Nichols: That is right.
Mr. Porter: \nd then on top of that
I will try and ft/ a bonus; so it means
$2.500 more, and possibly $5,000, If you
will take action right away.
Mr. Nichols: I tell you what you do.
You go straight to Chicago and talk It
over with the people there that you
represent, and If they think It Is neces
sary for me to come and If you wire
me to come, I will come! If you don't
think it Is necessary?I don't want to
come unless I have to. If you could get
thorn to go on that sort of a proposi
tion, that they put up $15,000, and in
case the trick can be turned right away
$20.000?a bonus of $5,000 for prompt
aotion?there Is no question we can
get It through after election. The only
hitch I feel at all Is getting him to act
before election. If he knows what it
means to him, we can talk him out of
it. I will put it spnaro up to him when
I ?et bnck.
Mr. Porter: You tell him It mnkes a
difference cT $5,000 to* him; yoa tell
Mr. Nichols: I will put that straight
up to him.
Mr. Porter: $5.000 would do him
more good vow than at any other time.
My word Is r.cori; I will take care of
that end of It, but it I get away from
her?j T would not wany anybody else to
handle 'ins btu myself.
Mr. Nichols: There is one thing T
want to know absolutely. I want to
know that this feo will bo paid the
minute that the goods are delivered.
Mr. Porter: The money will be put
in the bank, there, in any shape or
form you want It.
Mr. Nichols: In the bank where?
Mr, Porter: Anywhere you say; in
Chicago, If necessary; any bank.you
Mr. Nichols: In other words, T want
to have everything arranged so that
tho minute we get him out the money
is paid. *
Mr. Porter: The very minute the man
Is out the cash Is right there. If you
want an agreement we could have an
agreement. I would be willing to do
that. If you could draw up something
that would sort of fit to fix the circum
stances, not too broad, it would be all
Mr. Nichols: J don't care anything In
the world about that. The only thing,
I don't want anything in writing.
Mr. Portor: I don't either. Our word
Mr. Nichols: All I want to know Is
that that money will be deposited in
bank ?ubject to my check, provided the
money is there.
>-vMr^Porter: You catL have It Just
tthat Way, Mr. Nichols.
?Mr. Nichols: 1 will wire you in Chi
cago that everything Is O. K? or I
wHl wire you that we cannot do It.' in
other words, If we do fall, but we will
not fall, however. If you 'got a wire
that everything Is O. K. come to Spar
tanburg, you get on the* train and
Mr. Porter: Everything Is O. K. come
to Spartanburg at once.
Mr. Nichols: That means that when
you get there the pardon will bo there
Mr Porter: That will also mean that
I will have the cash with mo.
Mr Nichols: Cash or check, either
one " I don't care. Do you know I
Son t remember ever getting a check
fl Mr Sorter: You can find that on
account. 1 didn't want to offend you
ami 1 was afraid you thought per
haps I didn't have the change or some
th^ Mchois: No. It was not that at^
all*. I don't know what occurred.
Mr Porter: You sald"Here. If you
want me to come to Chicago, you have
To show me: that Is all. I want my
expenses: my time Is valuable. We
discussed the proposition whether you
would come to Chicago or 1 should
come to New York. Isald "I will give
y?o?ea check.? I said. ''What do you
want?"?and yo? said "$600. You
called the cashier, a Mr. Hendriks,
and handed him the check.
Mr. Nichols: Do you mean the cash
ier of the club?
Mr. Porter: No, the caanier ?l ibj_
b&W.\ Nichols: No; what bank did yoW
give It on?
Mr. Porter: The Bank of Commerce.
Mr. Nichols: In Spartanburg?
Mr. Porter: Yes.
Mr. Nichols: You didn't give a check
on the Bank of Commerce.
Mr. Porter: I did and he called mo
up aftorwards and I said. "I will givo
you a draft In the morning." He dtdn t
know me from Adam, so I went d6wn
and gave him a draft. ?
Mr. Nichols: On the Chicago Bank?
Mr. Porter: Yet?; but that Is all
right; we will say nothing about that.
Mr. Nichols: I Just wanted to get
the thing straightened put.
Mr. Porter: I can withdraw that
I check of yours of the Bank of Com
imerce, at Spartanburg. if you want
me to. It wouldn't be well for them
to know that any money passed be
I tween you and I. I didn't want 4hem
to know anything about this deal.
Mr. Nichols: That doesn't make any
difference. You can Just leave that
there on deposit to be applied on this
proposition. It doesn't make any dif
Mr. Porter: I don't want them to
know that any money passed between
you and I.
Mr. Nichols: I don't either.
Mr. Porter: You might say this $500
on deposit. You can withdraw it and
say nothing, or you can Just leave that
and I will atten dto It. You see they
might get next to something.
Mr. Nichols: Are you positive it was
the Bank of Commerce?
Mr. Porter: Yes.
Mr. Nichols: And I called the cashier
up from the club?
Mr. Porter: Yes, Just let that rest.
Mr. Nichols: We will leave that like
Mr. Porter: When I come down there
we will fix that. Don't go near them.
Mr. Nichols: Wo will leave that like
It is until you come down there. That
Is the best way to do.
Mr. Porter: Is the convention In ses
sion this afternoon?
Mr. Nichols: Yes, I lent one of the
boys my ticket over there.
Mr. Porter: Are you not In a great]
rush to get back then?
Mr. Nichols: No, I don't care partic
Mr. Porter: You haven't had lunch,
Mr. Nichols: No, I had a late break
fast before 1 came over. Let's go down
to the bar and get a drink.
Mr. Porter: All right.
(Thereupon, at 1:36 P. M., Mr. Porter
and Mr. Nichols left the room and pro
| ceeded down the elevator.
W. K. Caldwell.
BLEASE DEMES CHARGES.
Says He can Show the People that the
Charges of the Detective are^at
Trap. (?? A
Columbia. S. C, July 15? The Bleas
leadors met In the governor's ofl'ce
today for a conference and la sal**
recent exposure was discussed. /
way following the conference the *,
I nor Issued a statement In which he
bitterly attacked the members of tho
legislative committee and W. J. Burns,
the famous detective. Fred 11. Domi
j nick, the campaign manager of gov
jernor Blense was present at the con
Blease said today that ho had >t
granted the pardon to Gus DeFord.
I the man for whose pardon the Burns
detective schemed In order to c.nu \\
Blease in the act of receiving monev
for It, and he further stated that Sam
J. Nichols, the Spartanburg attorney
whom the dictagraph saya acted f<
DeKord In getting near lileaBe, hl I
never mentioned to him the grantin
of the DeKord pardon. Nichols speji'
I Sunday with Blease but left In the
afternoon for his home.
The following was issued from tho
governor's office by Governor Blea^
this afternoon following thtj confer
"I will show the people of tho stat."
I at the proper time with the proofs. I
have rocelved numbers of 'tdegraros,
letters and telephone messages from
my friends throughout tho state at) I
from parties who havo heretofore
never been my friends In which they
, denounce the commltteo for tho action
It has taken and assuring nu? of th< ir
1 undivided support, 1 am satisfied tW y
have done mo no Injury but have n a
terlally strengthened mo with l iy
friends and all other South Oa o
Unlans who love their stato and w io
will resent the manner in which this
cowardly character thief has attempt
ed to . injure the chief magistrate bf
his state with the assistance ot'thl*
Referring to W. J. Burns, the. d?
|tectlve, the governor said:
"In my opinion Burns proved hbn
self unworthy of belief and a
hireling as he has in other
A HEARING THURSDAY. I
The South Carolina Legislative. l|
vestlgatlng Committee Is going to m
again, In Columbia this time,
meeting to be held Thursday for
purpose of hearing tho testimony
Sam J. Nlohols of Spartanburg,.
lawyer who was employed to engln
the Cus DeFord pardon for Det