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HOFOLIJLU STAK-UIIJ-LET1N, WEDNESDAY, OCT. 2, T0t2
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at Camp Comfort
The boys at Camp Comfort are using
die same stove that they had last year.
It was the best they could get. It was a
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This year tkey pot a New Perfection Oren
AIs a New Perfection Toaster
Aba a New Perfection BroUer
"On, wKst a di5erenco in the meal a ooJ ttor
Bakes," tid one or the boy. vAnd they will tell their '
mother and wives about the' tore, too. For the New
Perfection OS Cook -dove n at convenient for the home
at for the camp. It will bake, Wdl roat and taut at
well at a tegular coal range.
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1 llllUlJILa I IU IIIIWUU VMI
Thfh, brittl e, colorless and scraggy
hair Is mtite evidence of a neglected
scalp; of dandruff that awfal scurf.!
There Is nothing so destructive to
the hair as dandruff. Jt robs the hair
of lUilustre. Its strength an4 its very
life; -eventually producing a feverlsh-d
ness and itching or the scalp, wnicn
if not remed fed causes the. hair- roots
to shrink, loosen 4pd dietben the
hair falls out fast- :. - - -
A little Danderine tonight-now
anytime will surely' save your hair.
Get a 2& cent bottle of Knowlton's
; (Continued frorn page thirteen)
tclf originally as not being at all op
Iosed, to the sieclal "agreement 'piau
i opposed 'to the settlement associa
tion plan. - . "
Fisher: How is that, position of Mi.
Afchf ord made nianUest m a letter.'
Olson; . Yes, a letter. : f ' . c
Fisher: l do not know1, Mr. Ash
ford,' whether you agree with the ovfi
itcnietieader at. iiio, but you remetu
bcr that, he siaiea nis opinion tnat
while- in bis jwigment the law as it
now ttands on the statute books au
thorized the granting of houicitexls
or the acquiring pf nomet cads uoa
t conditrousy thai are not those insisted
on in the special agreement plan and
"therefore Juey ought to be granted,
the Governor ought not to refuse it,
that it Is hbi view .that the special
' agreement plan would ori - the whole
be in; the public intereit 1 do not
; Know whether you care to express an
-('Pinion or not. . "...
Says Too' Much Discretion. f
v Ashford: M y opinion is entirely
against that view, because it involves
o wide a discretion on tlie' part jof the
vide for a,10 year tertn, he can pro-
i, vide tor oiu year term, ne can pro
l& for 11K) year term, or any terra.
Fisher: Your opinion is that the
lii.crGtion is ton brnad?
- Fiiher: Suppose the discretion was
" Ashford: I would say hat I would
-think favorably of the plan, provided
trat there would be no discretion.
Basher: You think that while thclhccnse without reference to the land
' rlan that, he is now enforcing is a
good plan, that the discretion should
rot be arbitrarily invested in him t
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.simply because he personalty thought j
4 w'iSlU tnansed? - J
- Ashford :e That is my view, and I ;
-would say that his p:nn hi. very unu j
more liberalized and modernized than I
It was a few years ago.
Supplied to the t
Emperor of Germany,
King of England, King of Spain
Sovereign People of America
Tb Ntw Prfetloa
Storm u Undxirinclf M
ytxd in nickel, wkb cabcwl
top. drop thrive, i towaJ
rack, etc Loot du-noejn.
rmiwW ttrquoi- blue.
Made wihl ,2 or3 bomenk
AH dealer. Fm Cook-
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Cook-Book ako ki 19
TOM eadiofl 5 ceatt la
less Hair Tonics--- Use
Danderine from any drug store
toilet "counter and after the first ap
plication you will say ,U was' the best
investment vou ever made. Your hair
will immediately take on that life,
lnstre Rnd luxuriance which is so
beautiful. It will become wavy anditeroff?
flurfy and have the . appearance - of Governor: Well, the public can
abundance; an Incomparable . loss jpass and repass over the land,
and softness but what will please Fisher: What I want to gt at here
you most will be after just a few te why should a transaction of that
vaafe' 1IM whon Vfltl W RCtUallV .
see a lot. of fine, downy hair new
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hair growing all over the scalp.
Fisher: Very well, Governor, you
may proceed. V- " v v
Answers Another Charged r
Governor: Next the Pahala Flume
matter. 'The' complaint was' that the
Land Commissioner Lad referred to
the Land.Board an application for; tne
entire flume system -but the rejoiner
Btites- tha,t that was an error. t be
lieve .Mr. Kinney, in his tecona sup
plemental brief; regrets this that they
withdrew that point, Mr Kinney tak-
itnt, the position that Mr. George Rob
ertson;, on behalf ; of the pianta,tion,
had spoken to him and tnatjMr. Kin
ney, a member of the Land Board, con
sidered that that was a submission of
the matter to. the iand board, whereas
it was simply, atonversation , by air.
itobertton and Mr- Kinney, unknown
to . the Governor' and of course it
would 4e ridiculous to consider that a
submission to " the land board. Air.
Kinney also seems to think that the
goternment had promised to give a
leaser' ' . ' " .
Kieher: To whom?
' Governor: To the nlantation. This
matter came up twice, once about the
time we were cutting iip the Wood
Wiley lands for homesteads, when tne
lifind Commissioner and I went to Pa
hala and When tne conversation testi
fled to by Mr. 6ss took place. At that
time there was no written application,
it was simply an oral conversation,
end 'the Governor stajted to Mr. Ogg
that they would not give a lease, if we
fcave anything we would simply give
Water License Proved.
Fisher: Ifyhas been suggested to
that that particular form of action'
bj you has gone fretty far and has
been" used as a means of taking irom
the land board its legitimate jurisdic
tion, that is to say, that you have as
nicdr ' the authority of crantin
lard and that by that means you
b&ve in effect given the plantations or
others rights- under the gntee of a
Kcense which amount in all practical
eflcct to a lease and vet the land
board 1ms not Lad any oWort unity Co
puss them ,
Governor: WelI tnat is the law
Fisher: What is the law?
Governor: That when leases of
OF TABLE WATERS,"
'land exceeding certain areas shall bej land board ought to be abolished? I,
made, iher shall not be given without myself think they lead to that conclu
the approval of the land board, There(sion, or they are not of very great lm-
is also a provision In regard to-salesj portaace.
and exchanges, but there is no pro. Governor: Well, not necessarily,
vision in the ease of licenses, and in The larger transactions, such as the ,
this particular case the land board larger leases and exchanges and sales
! would have no jurisdiction, even if a! for other than homestead purposes.;
'leae were contemplated, because the ! might very well go before the board.'
" " 1 1 . t a;i r -
area was under forty acres, that is.
leases must have the approval of the
iland board only when forty acres or
more of agricultural or 2m acres or
more of pastoral land are involved.
Fisher: What is tne autnoruy un
der which the governor grants li
censes. Governor: There is no express au
thority in the jtatute. It is simply by
general reference in two places. That
question arose during Governor Dole's
administration and was submitted to
the attorney general in Washington
and he ruled that licenses should be
issued as distinct from leases and
Lpouldbe. made for longer terms than
W. ,. i j r a
leases mey may De maue aner an
auction sale and otherwise. They dif
fer from leases In several respects.
Fisher: In what respect would
they differ to the advantage of the
public? I am not putting arfy
responsibility on you in the matter at
present, but what I want to get clear
first is what these licenses are you
say they can be made for longer terms
than a lease that is distinctly to
the disadvantage of the pubUc, is it
Governor: But it can be to the ad
vantage of the public. For instance,
the 'license to put in an irrigation
ditch the ditch could not be con
structed uniwss you gave a longer pe
riod. Lca.se or License.
Fisher: There isn't any reason on
earth why a lease should not be
made for a drainage ditch if the stat
ute were amended to provide for a
longer period, is there? Now, you call
a certain thing a lease, now you call
something else a license, now what is
the difference between that licensei
and lease? . .
Governor: A lease Js a transfer of
the. land for a certain period and upon
certain terms a license differs from
a lease largely in that it Is a perrais-
fsion to do certain things on the land
it does not give, complete control
over the land. '
Fisher: Then how would it help a
Governor: sWell, more particularly
an irrigation ditch
Fisher: Now, unless they could get
a very definite right lor. that fifty
years, how are they better off?
Governor: Well, I don't know as
they are any better off the public
How is the public any bet-
S IUIU1 Ul.it. JIVCUSei
Governor: We dont' want to give
a .definite area we have certain
rights, for instance, the right, to get
earth and stones and timber in differ
ent places, and maybe , a burying
right v Of course, you can provide
that, in a lease. -.
Fisher;. Well, I can understand the
use of a license . for such purposes
such as you speak of,- but I am totally
at a loss to know what public policy
there is that justifies using a license
rather than a lease.
r Governor: .1 suppose the object
might be accomplished under either
form, provided the statute were lib
Fisher: What is the statute re
garding a lease?
Governor: Fifteen years in the
case of agricultural -land and 21 years
in the case of other lands.
Fisher: in such case as that you
undertook t grant a license ' did
the - opinion of the attorney-general
relate to a license of that kind?
GofernoV; This was a license .for
a water, ditch to be of fifty! years' du.
Fisher: That is what the opinion
of-the attorney general referred' to?
Governor: That was the immediate
occasion Of the opinion, v "
Fisher: Do you submit license of
that kind to the land board?
Governor: Not necessarily. In the
case of the .WWahole water license,
we submitted to the land bard,- but
at the special request of -
Fisher: Of whom? .
Governor: Mr. Kinney he was the
special attorney 'of the applicants. ' I
told him it was immaterial to me
whether it went to the. land board or
not, but if he wished 1 would submit
it to the land board. There might be
a question as to whether it should be
under the law, although I did not think
Looking Into Land Board.
Fisher: You think the land board
is a useful agency in the administra
tion of the land laws here?
Governor: Yes, on the, whole.
Fisher: Then why should not these
matters a license of any kind ex
cept as to the kind to cut timber or
something of that sort, but a license
which gives a definite right to' do a
certain thing for a period of 50 yeas
why should not that go to the land
Governor: Of course, that is merely
a matter of practise.
Fisher; It strikes me offhand that it
is a very important matter.
Governor: A great many other land
transactions, homestead matters, for
instance, do not have to go to the
land board very important matters.
Jt is not the intention that minor mat
ters, leases for small areas, should go
before the land board. There is this,,and bard , but I am perfectly will
objection, and that is that this board
is made up' of six persons who re-
ceive no condensation, and thpv are !
busy men. freouentlv awav from thi
city, and it is very difficult to get
meetings of this board and at times
there is a great deal of delay because
we can not get the members togeth
er. And then, too, they do not have
the intimate knowledge they haven't
time to acquire facts to the same ex
tent as the executive officers. Of
. course, the executive officers prepare
Fisher: Don't all of those areu-
ments lead to the conclusion that the
Fisher Thinks So.
Fisher: That is just what I think. '
.What you tell me is this. Here you j
come to an important matter like an i
irrigation ditch. You adopt' the form
of . a license instead of a lease, be- j
cause you can grant a greater period. I
Governor: There would be no par- :
ticular objection to referring those ;
matters to the land board. As a mat- j
ter of fact, generally, before making j
such a license, of course, I consult a '
good many people and get different
' Fisher: I know, but that is a volun
tary matter of administration. Here
is your land board composed of men
of the community and you give them
authority to pass upon a lease and
you come to a case where you want
to give a longer ime than a lease,
then they do not ba"Ve a light to pass
on that, but they merely pass on it as
a matter of convenience or courtesy
on the part of the Governor. 'It seems
to be that it is an unfortunate prac
tise. Governor: It may be that the law
could be changed. I dont know wheth
er the land board would care to have
those things brought before it. As a
matter of fact, the land commission
er did make it a practise at first
of bringing before the land board a
great many matters over which they
had no jurisdiction. They did pass
upon this water license that I spoke oL
Ashford: Might I ask a question.
You mentioned another reason, Gov.
ernor, or rather another feature of
licenses besides a longer term than a
lease may run they may be sold or
given without-being put up at auc
tion. Did you consider that an ad
vantage to the publfc.
Governor: I think generally li
censes should be put up at auction,
and that has beendone in most cases.
There are very few exceptions.
Wants to Know of Auctions.'
- Ashford: Can you cite any license
that you have put up at auction?
Governor: Well, take this license
to which reference has just been
made that was a license to the
Launahoehoe Sugar Company to con
struct a flume with the provision that
it would be maintained for the benefit
of all concerned, homesteaders in
cluded, and that was put up at auc
tion, r .
Ashfolrd: Any other?
Governor: The last was for a right
of way for an irrigation ditch on
Maui. That was put tip at auction.
'. Ashford: Any others?
Fisher (to Ashford): Do you know
of .any license of any kind that has
not been put up yat auction?
Ashford:. It has come to my ears
that after the ; deal -yas consummated
by Which jthe Makeex Sugar Company
received a lease of a portion of the
Kapaa land, the other portion being
reserved for homesteads it has
come to my ears that your commis
sioner of public lands in addition to
the fact that the water ri'ghfs were re
served almost immediately thereafter,
granted a license to the sugar com
pany to use all that water. Now, what
are the facts of that matter?
Facts at Kapaa.
Governor: I think the commission
er granted a licenseor lease of what
i3 called the surplus water of Kapaa,
sold at auction, and then, the commis.
sioner shortly after purported to
grant to the purchaser of the license
or lease or right to use their water
when not required by the government
jor the occupants oJf the other land.
That was without my-knowledge, and
as soon as it came to my knowledge
he brought it up tofme for approval,
and I disapproved of it and told him
that we could not allow such a thing
Ashford: Then it Has not gone into
Ashford: Do you know that the
Makee Sugar Company are operating
under that assumed license or not?
Governor: Not so far as I know.
Ashford: With reference to this
Waiahole water license you state that
you submitted that to the land board.
Llf I- am correctly informed, you did
that under protest and in a letter
you told the board that it must not, be
Ashford; How much money was in
volved in that deal?
Governor: The rental was to be
$15,000 a year.
Ashford: For how. long.
' Governor: Thirty years and then
Ashford: Was it put up at auction?
Governor: Itwas advertised but
the sale was 'withdrawn. It will
probably be advertised again pretty
Ashford: "How will you advertise
again if the license has been granted?
Governor: It has not been granted
The terms have not been fully agreed
Ashford: So that the matter as
approved by the land board and as
approved by you has not fully gone
into effect is that correct?
Kef erred to Land Hoard.
.Governor: Yes. The matter has
been referred to the land board re
cently and the land board has approv
ed of the principal changes proposed.
It will be again referred to the Iand
board when those changes are made.
It does not have to be referred to the
1TiS to do so only I simply wish to
avoid any wrong impression in regard
to tne aw-
What attorney general of
the United States passed on the ques
tion? Governor: During President Mc
Kinley's administration I think
Mr. Knox was attorney general then.
Fisher: Very well, "Governor, vou
Governor: We were on the Pahala
flume license. A year later, however,
during l:il, a written application for
a portion of the flume svstern wa?
made,- and it was at that time that I
had my conversation with Mr. Robert- Were these applicants on the Moaula who is specially good at finding out
son and it was substantially tne same' lands informed that they could apply, the source of titles and locating kule
as the conversation with Mr. Ogg of ?f Woo1 Valley? anas. He has to find it out from ka-
a year previous, when there was no Governor: Why, I think they were maaina testimony.. It took him five
written application, and Mr. Robert- Tne Land Commissioner replied1 to months to survey that 1200 acres, ami
.r, ,.,.. r., ... v. . tbpir annliratinns aru! told them that he found, instead of three or four ku-
i-vrn ton v ujj unr tiuu ic-aiii iu ' "
that if ou wish As a matter of factfn Moaula lands would not be open-
that license was nothing was ever eci
done in regard to it The executive I Fisher: Were they told that the
did not put' it up to the land board V.ood Valley lands would be?
and did not grant it himself I Governor: The Wood Valley war
Next the Kihei matter is there advestised for two months or so.
anvthinc on that that vou wish thut ! Fisher: Don t you think It would
is where the algeroba trees were
Fisher: We covered that.
Governor: The Hana lands
Ashford: We have found out all
Governor: The Waiakea camp
That is over at Hilo
have covered that very
I think we have covered
Fisher: If there is anything you
wish to ask, Governor, on the sub
ject Carrp Site Matter.
Governt.r: Well, I might call at
tention to the fact that three com
playints were made: first, that we
were going to sell the lots, at too
a price namely the price of-cm,11 not be found on acocunt of the their assistants. And then, in .add 1
y the plantation-that was not! survp-V8 in otner Dlaces' but we tried t ion to that we employed other surv
the case As a matter of fact the!to employ an additional turveyor to
land were apprised by 'three disin-IY out the Wood Valley lands.Vbut
terested' appraisers who put .them
high specially because the plantation
was involved; then next that it will
give this plantation a hold when the
lease expires, but It appeared that
there were plenty of other sites of
the same character, and L want to
say right here that the railroad was
not involved. Thp granting of these
sites was not to' give them any hold
on the railroad. The railroad was not
involved at all, nor would they give
them rights of way over the land.
Fisher: Of course, the statement
was made that the location of these
camps did not give the plantation or
would not " give it any advantage in
the future we; have merely that gen
eral assertion; we have no evidence
to prove it.
Governor: Yoif might say that he
land board at the same time approved
the sale of the camp site on the Lau
pahoehoe Sugar Company, which was
all good land,, and wfiere there was
a longer lease than at Waiakea, and
where the plantation had other land
nearer than was fthe case at Waia
kea. One of the reasons that they
gave for approving the camp site, al
Laupahoehoe was that the plantation
had no other land nearby on which it
could erect a camp, whereas they ,had
land and plenty of it nearer than Was
the case at Waiakea.
Fisher: Governor, do you person
ally consider that the plantation
would reqeive no strategic advantage
from this camp site?
Governor: - I have no doubt of it
that they would not. ;
Ashford: The land board, however,
took the opposite view.
Governor: i That was on the report
of one member, and the matter. Is not
settled as yet.
It seemed to us that we could not
very well require the plantation to
put in $30,000 of improvements on so
short a lease, and that the laborers
on the plantations are entitled to con
sideration a large portion of the
population here consists of that class
of people and it is highly important
that plantation camps should be well
. Ashford: What wrouid be your
opinion, your idea, Governor, as to
the position of the plantation at. the
end of the lease J,
Governor: It would be simply this
this plantation .would probably con
tinue to operate its mill; it has an
advantage over everybody else, it can
affefd to outbid everybody, else
when the lease expires, since the en
tire jland is government land the Gov
ernment can do as it pleases and the
plantation will have to submit to any
proufosition the government may
wish to make. If the mill is con
tjnued there, even if the entire land
is homesteaded, the mill will prob
ably need most of these camp sites
If the plantation does not need these
camp sites, then it will be in a post
tion to sell them.
Governor: Nothing further nefed
be said on the Kioloku land, covered
by Judge Lindsay yesterday. '
Fisher: We have covered that fully
don't you think, Mr. Ashford?
Ashford: I tbink so, just let me
look over it. It is my impression that
tbat was fully covered.
, Governor: Remnants of Kaunama
no. Fisher: That was fully covered.
Governor: Kekupulani Settlement
Fisher: That was covered fully.
Fuher: That was also fully cover
ed Governor: Moaula. '
Ashford: I would like tp hear a lit
tle more about Moaula.
i Fisher: As I understaifd the com
! plaint there is that various appllra
j tions have been made to homestead
i the land, but it has not been done on
j the contrary it is being rented.
! Governor: The Moaula land Ts coni
! lucratively a small tract there are
j about 200 acr.es. it Is c-omparativeiy
i poor cane land. The reasons for not
I opening no, no, that is Kaalaiki the
i Moaula land& cover 700 or 800 acres
! of land. They are on the Pahala Plan-
tation. It was believed in time that
! c ne of those tracts would be sufficient
' If that tract had been opened, a
j great deal of cane would be destroyed
; ard a consequent loss without any
I g:in to homesteaders, so it was decid
ied to open up the Wood Valley land3
' iirst and that was done and compara
j t:ely few of those lots were taken. I
1 rc gard the Wood Valley landf as su
perior to the Moaula lands for nome-
! Manager Ogg Sincere.
i Fisher: I think that Mr. Asnford
jwill agree that there was a bona fidej
attempt on the part of Mr. Ugg to co
! operate with the homesteaders and if
yife homesteaders were givn a chauce 1
at Wood Valley they won id be better j
ce a good lufa II toe governor suuuiu
instruct the-lJtnd Commissioner to
take a more addressive manner; in
cases of this sort j
Governor: That may be.
Ashford: Is It not a fact that the
arnlicfitions for the Moaula lands, had
i ' been on file for years before ou open-
I . ...
co the Wood Val ev tract? 5
Governor: The application for the
.Moaula lands was made in November
1910. first there had been a prelimfa-.
pry application, but the application in
He proper form was made in Novem-
ber. J910 and it was during that month
that the Iand Commissioner and I vis-
ited the district and decided to open
ip the Wood Valley lands and the Idea
was to have the Wood Valley lands
immediately onened. but a surveyor
were unable to untu aoout cour
n ontbs later.lin 1911, early in 101 1.
Fisher: When were the surveys
Governor; ,The surveys were com-
pletedi I think in July 1911. Then
there were some chinges to be made
They were not made until the lmaa
( omtnistioner and went over in Sej-
tember and then acverilsement was
made of the drawing. '
Ashford: I find hre that the first
ai plication was made In June 1910 in-
formally, and'formally in 19-0, Novem-
ler 1910 by 31.
I would like to ask the Governor at
this point as to what he considers his
UUIljctl-lullo w ur;ii nm kj iv uuvwuw
apply for land twenty-five being the
number provided by statute if he con-
sidered that he might then 'make a
substitute some, miles away. .ter. . ' " . :
Statute Provision. . ; Governor: : That ,was brought out
Governor: The statute expressly m Mr. Goodale's testimony yesttr.
provides that Is, the Organic Act .day. ','' ' '. ,
that the" Governor shall upon appllca- ; Fisher; You : have ' looked through
tion. open up lots anywhere in the the records and found out what were
same district, but not necessarily the the facts as to the prices, paid for
particular lands applied for. ; those lands that Mr.' Goodale watf
Ashford: And would you constitute correct as to, the $30 an acre tot the
the word district to mean the plstrict cane tracts and . th&t Mr. ' Wheeler
of Kau?. . V v, j 1 thereby w as In error. , v V ' :-r:.
Governor: I think so. Tneyj,were Governor: What Mr." Olson- refers .
not only in the, same district; btit on to is another letter to which Mr. Good
the same plantation, v t . ; (ale referred, a letter which Mr.
Ashford: At what distance? .? j Wheeler wrote, to you and which Mr.
Governor:' About six miles; one-is
at one' end and the other at the other
end of the. plantation. i v? ; I k;
Ashford: Then when you finally de-
termined to open up Wrood'.Valley in-
steaa or Moauia wnai means aic you
take' of notifying the Ioaula' people
Fisher: I would like to knowtbat,
too. - t -
Governor: The Land. Commissioner,
wrote' them. .'11 ; ; perintendent of Public Works. - -The
Fisher: Find the files; the date is next day , I wrote to the Superintend- -sufficiept.
t isuer; vveii, i uiiutt. mat is buii
cient on the -Moaula. lands, Mr.' Ash-
ford, f This question of surveys--nave
you some practical suggestion to make
as to the improvement of this survey
ing business, -'so , that' you can. get
quicker action. I can appreciate, how-
ever, that surveying has to be care -
fully done. -
Difficulties' of Survey. ' , , ; j
Governor: Just to illustrate, Mr.
Secretary. The other day you went so refused ; to pay the bill.' butwhen
over the Haiku lands. That looked the matter was brought to my atten
like a very small proposition. It was tion I concluded that the' law would
pretty, open country. It was not cov-permit the payment of that $59.42 and
ered with jungle and there weren't j that the' balance would , be paid' later
precipices and one thing and another, on under an appropriation of the Leg
and the slope was not very steep. I islature. Accordingly, the $69.42 was
Fisher: No, but it was broken sur- j paid at that time. Later on, some
face. ' other money became available and thQ.-
Governor: And it did. not appear j balance was paid.' ' v
that there were very many private tM ; . ". ' ' '. ..
ties. Now, wen the ' exchange was j It Is said that British and Russian
made, the plantations which owned , representatives have met 'Jnv London
that land told us 'that there werje';to decide upon the division-of Persia.
thre"e or four kuleanas that is, Jittle f The latter nation was not called into
holdings in the tract: that is all they ( the conference.;?;--. v.:-:. -knew
of. We sent our best surveyor! Over 3000 piano makers in 'New
. h - tin n-n (ion f V t-rm fc Va 'trtnot ntt .si' trilr A.C ' ! . -
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leana, i4. litre is a map snowinff
all these little holdings .scattered
around of irregular shapes, and the
consequence was that we founcT that
so much area was taken up by these
that we had to get the plantation to
convey us another strip to make up
Fisher: What is your suggestion,
about the remedy for.the delay?
Governor: 1 think the ' difficulties
are physical and can not be overcome.
There will not be so '; much delay In
the future, because we were swamped
with applications just after the amend-
. -v f ' ft . a ...u art a
nients to tne urganic ac were
cd, Now 'we are catching up we
haven't so many applications How. , v
Fisher: How many surveyors do you
Hard to Get Surveyors. t "
Governor: When the amendments
were put inta-7-were enacted there '
were, I think, three or lour field par- '
ties. 5 Then 1 we added-there were
apparently three field parties, then
we added eight field parties besides.
veyors in special cases, for instance,
to this Wood Valley , case. Vo jjent
to tne voast tor auuuiouai m
ors. Of course, there Is an objection
to bavins a surveyor from th Coast
as he would take longer time than
one from here, because. he . wouia
rave to learn the conditions here,
and a survey has to be made extrerde
ly carefu on account of all theso
' Fisher: ' You "think, "however,- tjTtt '
now that the rush is "over you.willTo .
able to take care of these surveys ,.
, Gcvernor:; .Yes.
Fisher: Now. 'what la tho next?
I Governor: There lstb.o lramlgra-
tion acts. That Is a new matter,
. Fisher: ' You tovered the specific
iiviliroLrtwl vu.v s aia iiiv vwj'aa-a
in the subsequent data.
Olson: I don't think' the Governor
discussed the Paumalu-Whecler mat-'
.Goodale took and did not return.
Th'e facts are these:' ; On October
31, two gentlemen called on me and
presented . tais letter, unsigned, stai-
' ing that Mr Wheeler had written It
out tentauveiy, out, naa not aeaueu
J whether or not to send it to me, and
in it was that
?he bad not beeu paid for a portion of
; the homestead road which he had con-
gtructed under a contract from theSu
ime maerrj auu uiw luiiuwiiamyaj
j received hla report. Two days liter I
called the Attorney General and ' the
Auditor Into conference and the situa
tion was this: The Superintendent of
Public - Works had let a contract lor
j 90 for :, the construction of a small
1 stretch of road, underthe Impression,
that there was that amount of fnoney
available. The Auditor found that
there was only 69.42 available and