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SENATE FARM BILL ‘CROSSES’ HOOVER PLAN Bounty Clause, Opposed by President, Included in McNary Draft. HOUSE AGAINST MOVE Conflict Is Certain, Unless Bloc Members Will BacK Down. BY PAUL R. MALLON I nited Press Staff Correspondent WASHINGTON, April 18.—The <1 debenture or tariff bounty plan <u farm relief, which has been kick !!.£•; around almost unnoticed ip congress for five years, today was made the basis for the big fight over farm legislation in President Hoover's special session of congress. At almost the same moment the plan was being denounced in the house as a thinly disguised federal subsidy, it was presented to the senate as part of the administra tion farm bill by Chairman Mc- Nary of the senate agriculture com mittee, who frankly has served no tice that his committee intends to adopt that feature of the measure. Though President Hoover has not spoken, he is understood to op pose it. Briefly, the plan would give the farmers half of the value of the im port tariff on the products they ex port. If a farmer dumped 1,000 bushels of wheat into the elevator at Duluth for export, he would go to the treasury and receive a treas ury certificate for half of what the duty would be on an import of 1,000 bushels of wheat. At the present tariff rate of 42 cents a bushel, he would get a paper worth $420 at any cus toms collector's office in payment of tariff duties on any imported product. In actual practice, the farmer probably never would see a deben ture certificate, as these would be handled exclusively among export ters, importers, and brokers. Sup porters of the plan say, however, that the moment the debenture law was put into effect, it increased the price of wheat in the farmers' hands by the 21 cents a bushel extra which wheat would command when it eventually reached the point of export. The debenture plan would be op erative only at the discretion of the proposed federal farm board. Rest of Bill Little Changed The remainder of the bill as in troduced varies but little from the bill brought up for consideration in the house today. Its chief difference is that it would authorize a federal farm board of twelve members, while the house would provide a board of six members. It follows the reconfmendations of the President's message in author izing the board to administer a re volving fund of $500,000,000. The board would lend necessary sums to co-operative marketing or ganisations and a stabilization cor poration, $25,000,000 for the capital 'tock of the stabilization corpora tion, $375,000,000 if necessary for buying and storing surpluses, $50.- 000.000 to co-operatives for acquir ing storage and other facilities, $25.- 000.000 to enable co-operatives to advance members up to 85 per cent of the market value of commodities when sold, and $25,000,000 for insur ance. These loans would bear 4 per cent interest.. The virtualy unopposed adminis tration co-operative marketing bill was brought up for |hree dajvs of general debate in the house soon after it met. I'rges Bill Adoption In urging the bill's adoption. Rep resentative Williams <Rep.. 111.), who opened debate, took occasion to denounce the debenture plan. He said the way out of the farm diffi culty’ cannot be found in the equal ization fee or any “subsidy which is naid directly out of the reasury or is disguised in the form of a de benture bonus certificate on ex ports.” McNary made no explanation of his bill when he introduced it dur ing a brief senate session. His com mittee will meet this week and of ficially vote upon it, so it can be brought up for consideration in the senate Monday. After the brief session, in which scores of bills and resolutions were introduced, the senate adjourrned until Monday. An effort was made by Senator Nye of North Dakota, to prevent consideration of other business until the farm bill is passed. He intro duced a senate resolution, proposing that no other measure be brought up except by unanimous consent. Lucky Bounce By United Press CHICAGO, April 18—A po lice blotter today publishes the following terse review' of an un heralded “solo” act staged by a youthful electric sign repair man for the benefit of loop theater crowds. “Chaboen, Edward. 25. blown from sign, sixty feet above street, bounced off canopy through roof of large sedan parked by curb, landing up right behind steering wheel. “Injuries— sprained shoulder.” Complete Wire Reports of UNITED PRESS, The Greatest World-Wide News Service The Indianapolis Times Increasing cloudiness tonight, probably followed by showers Friday; possibly light frost tonight; somewhat warmer Friday. VOLUME 40—NUMBER 285 Chicago to Battle ‘Kid’ Gin Parties A Young Couple, an Auto and a Flask of Booze Called Peril. I;ti Unit < •! Press CHICAGO, April 18.—Forty- 1 oqe more "indifferent par ents” will be arraigned in court next week in the drive of Chi cago school authorities to curb the “wild” tendencies cropping out in Chicago school children. More than two-score parents already nave been fined for not compelling their children to at tend school, in connection with the campaign to stop gin and moonshine parties by boys and girls of high school age and ,-ounger. The situation was brought to a head by the tragic death of George Lux, killed in an auto mobile accident while en route home with a group of boys and girls in their 'teens from a roadhouse gin party. The inquest into Lux's death brought out estimates that at least 10,000 other boys and girls of about the same age probably were “partying” the same night in the same way throughout Chicago. “A young couple, a bottle of moonshine and an automobile are the most dangerous quartet that can be concocted for the destruc tion of human society,” said Edward J. Tobin, county superintendent of schools today, as he sat on a coroner’s jury of educators investiga ting the party that ended with the fatal automobile crash. Tobin estimated that 70 per cent of the boys between 18 and 25 accept as the regular standard of recreation, a party, art automobile ride, dancing, and a bottle of gin or moonshine. About 60 per cent of the girls above the age of 17 accept this same code, Tobin said. CANCER HOSPITAL OWNER IS SCORED Doctor Drunk for Weeks, Charge in Action to Re voke License. Gifts of fountain pens to clerics and knives to laymen for the names of possible patients to his hospital, and the added inducement of free taxi rides from the railway station to those who answered his ads were methods used by Dr. Charles C. Root, director of the Indianapolis Cancer hospital, it was charged at a hearing today for revocation of Ills license to practice medicine in In diana. The hearing was held before the state board of medical examiners in the statehouse. Before the hearing adjourned at noon, one witness had testified that Dr. Root had been “drunk the major part of the time between Nov. 1, 1928, and Jan. 1, 1929,’’ while directing his hospital. The petition against Dr. Root was filed by the Better Business Bureau. Dishonest, Says Attorney Although James Ross, attorney for the Business Bureau, acknowledged at the hearing that it was permis sible for a physician to advertise, he said he would show’ “that the whole picture of this institution is a scheme and as a whole is dis honest.” Blanche Woods, Greenwood, Ind., secretary of Dr. Root, testified to the sending of the coupons offering ministers fountain pens free if they would send Dr. Root the names of three persons suffering with can cerous growths. Helen Fentress, 1615 . Bradbury, street, former employe of the hospi tal, amplified the testimony by averring “that an average of 2,000 bargain fountain pen requests were sent to pastors in the nation.” She said that names of ministers were obtained from church year books. Many Pastors Replied Asked how many preachers answered Dr. Root's request for names of persons afflicted with cancer, she said.” Oh! sometimes we'd get two or three a day and sometimes as high as fifty.” "After we had the prospects, pamphlets would be sent to them telling of facts of the disease, and giving them data of the ‘cures’ per formed by Dr. Root. These pam phlets (Would be followed by a let ter, which would offer a free taxi Juryman Walks 22 Miles to Perform Citizen Duty i?. United Press ELGIN, 111., April 18—A tired, dusty Negro limped into the court - j room of Municipal Judge Frank E. I Shcpen as the court clerk was pre- I paring to list as absent “John Ed ward*,” called for jury service. “Here I am, sir.” the Negro said. Judge Shopen frowned. “Don't you know you're an hour late?” he asked. “Your honor,” Edwards replied, approaching the bar, “I apologize for being late. I tried hard to be' cn time. I started at 3 o'clock this morning and I came those twenty two miles here from my home in Aurora as fast as I could." “How did you come?” Judge Shopen asked. “I walked, your honor. I’ve been out of work for a long time, and I didn't have 10 cents for the trolley car." "Edwards, you are a good citizen. I want to shake your hand,” And as he shook hands with the -£ . ;. V ■■?; w-’*v^': ' mBIM|BBB||H \ 1 H nHHnu Virginia Graf, Chicago school girl, who testified. “If you don’t drink, you're not invited to parties.” ride from the railway station to the hospital should they come to the city,” she testified. One of the letters offered in evi dence by the business bureau de clared that cancer might be cured by Dr. Root with one injection of his so-called “liquid laboratory” serum. Carried From Car In testifying she had seen Dr. Root intoxicated between Nov. 1, 1928, and Jan. 1, 1929, Miss Fentress said, “I saw him carried from the car on several occasions and I saw him stagger into the hospital. He would curse sometimes in the hall ways of the hospital.” She said she left the hospital Jan. 21, 1929, when Dr. Root had talked harshly to Her. Miss Fentress testified that a “Dr. Walter C. Givens,” formerly em ployed by the hospital, had also been intoxicated. Dr. Givens will testify for Dr. Root. A. J. Rucker, attorney for Dr. Root, said the charges of drunken ness against Dr. Root were during a time when he was not actively head of the hospital. He said it would be proved that Dr. Root had brought about some “remarkable cures.” SET BANKER HEARING Creditors of Accused Cash ier to Meet Friday. First creditors’ hearing in the bankruptcy of Herman A. Stewart, former cashier of the Citizens Na tional Bank, Hope, Ind., who faces federal charges in connection with alleged defalcations, will be con ducted at 10:30 a. m. Friday before Carl Wilde, federal bankruptcy referee. Stewart, who surrendered to the United States marshal several days after the bank was closed, was held to the federal grand jury. The involuntary bankruptcy peti tion was filed in federal court by Charles H. Ellis, receiver for the bank and three Hope. Ind., citizens. Stewart listed liabilities of $166,511, including one item of $100,009 claimed by Ellis and assets of $75,276. Hourly Temperatures 6a. m 33 10 a. m— 47 7a. m 39 11 a. m..... 47 8 a. m 43 12 (noon).. 50 9 a. m 45 ,1 p. m 50 tardy juryman. Judge Shopen in structed his clerk to pay Edwards the $2.20 mileage customarily paid jurors who come from adjoining towns, .and $5 for his time. Then he excused the Negro and Edwards shuffled out to take the trolley car for Aurora. LINDY GETS SINGLE VOTE IN COLLEGE HERO BALLOT Hu SEA Service Emporia, Kan., April 18.— Colonel Charles A. Lindbergh may be the day's greatest hero, but in a recent rating of the ten great est persons the world ever has known, he got only one vote. The contest was conducted by the psychology students at the Kansas State Teachers’ College here. Abraham Lincoln received the most votes; Thomas Edison was second, and Jesus Christ and George \ Washington received an INDIANAPOLIS, THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 1929 CITY MANAGER FIGHT TANGLE NEARSCLIMAX Supporters of New Form Refuse to Be Jockeyed Into Court Action. FOES PLAN MAY VOTE Election Commissioners Or ganize; Holmes Says Suit Is Certain. Desire of organization politicians to get a decision from supreme court overthrowing city manager govern ment, which Indianapolis is to adopt next January, today had tumbled the city political situation into a tangle the component parts of which are: 1. The politicians have attempted and failed to jockey city manager leaders into filing some kind of a suit which would throw constitu tionality of the manager law squarely before supreme court. 2. Ira M. Holmes, Republican, and Carl E. Wood, Democrat, city elec tion commissioners, held meetings Wednesday and this morning in which Holmes says they organized the commission, without even noti fying City Clerk William A. Boyce Jr., commissioner ex-officio, that a meeting was to be held. Holmes Commission Head 3. Holmes announced he has been elected chairman of the commission and he and Woods are proceeding with plans to hold a primary under the federal form of government May 7, 4. Boyce declared this is illegal and he will not be a party to it. 5. Mayor L. Ert Slack has in structed the city controller not to honor vouchers for expenses of a primary May 7 because the $34,000 in the election fund was specifically appropriated for the city manager commissioner election in November Could Issue Vouchers. 6. Holmes said this would not de ter him, that the city election com mission would issue vouchers for the primary expense and those who held the vouchers could sue the city con troller if he refused to pay them. Holmes stated that he knows a suit' to enjoin the commission against holding a primary May 7 will be filed and knows who will file it, but he would not disclose the name. He declared that he is acting for the best interests of the city in forc ing a suit because constitutionality of the manager law will be immedi ately tested in supreme court. “Then if the law is held uncon stitutional we will continue operat ing under the federal law and have a primary election and there will be no last minute jam. Wants All Prepared “If the manager law is upheld no harm has been done by having just prepared for a primary.” City manager leaders continued to watchfully wait. “We believe the manager law is constitutional and will proceeed on that basis and have no interest in the proposed federal city primary,” said Claude H. Anderson, chairman of the City Manager League cam paign committee. Reginald H. Sullivan, the only Democratic candidate for mayor, conferred with Holmes this morn ing and declared that he was anx ious that the primary be held. J. Clyde Hoffman, state senator and city manager friend who has filed for the Republican nomination, conferred with Holmes and Wood, Wednesday night and filed affi davits with them showing that he had filed his candidacy before mid night of the final day for filing. BRITISH START DRIVE Premier Baldwin .Opens Conservative Campaign. By United Press LONDON, April 18. Premier Stanley Baldwin predicted today that the Conservative government would obtain a majority in the gen eral election at the end of May. Baldwin opened the Conservative campaign with a speech to a cheer ing audience that packed Drury Lane theater. The premier replied to the Liberal and Labor election programs with a review of the government’s ac complishments and an outline of its program for the future. He devoted his attention mainly to domestic problems of agriculture, industry and unemployment. Envoy in City . Sir Howard, British am bassador to the United States, who will arrive here late today. Story on Page 2. BANK ROBBERS SLAT WOMAN Wound Two Others at Columbia City. R’s United Press COLUMBIA CITY, Ind., April 18. —Four unmasked bandits, one of them carrying a portable machine gun, killed one woman and severely wounded Sheriff J. M. Haynes and another woman in a robbery at the Columbia City State Bank today. Amount of the loot has not been de termined. Ralph R. Ferry, cashier, stepped upon a burglar alarm summoning Sheriff Haynes and several deputies from their office which is located across the street from the bank. The sheriff was shot in the chin as he rushed into the building. Bullets from the machine gun, which had been trained on deputy sheriffs killed Mrs. J. Fred Binder, 40, who lived in an apartment above a clothing store. The second woman reported wounded, disappeared during the excitement. Leaving the car parked near the bank with one man at the wheel, the other three walked into the building, drew their guns and or dered Ferry, Elmer Bump, bank em ploye, and several customers to line up’'against a wall. Ferry touched the burglar alarm before stepping from his cage. As the officers rushed into the bank, one of the bandits turned the machine gun on them, driving the deputies to shelter. The sheriff fell across the entrance. Scooping up all money in sight the bandits escaped in their car. Melvin Kyler, bank custodian, re turning from lunch, saw the bandits departing. He ran after them and emptied his revolvers at the ma chine. It is believed none of the shots took effect. Bank officials could make no esti mate of the loot pending a checkup. DUVALL TALKS TONIGHT Promises Political Revelations at Cadle Tabernacle. John L. Duvall, former mayor, will discuss events during his two years at city hall at a mass meet ing tonight" at Cadle tabernacle. Duvall announced the talk on “political corruption” to open his campaign for mayor under the old primary law. He has promised startling revelations. % Two Die in Motor Accidents Bp Times Snecial SOUTH BEND, Ind., April 18.— Two men are dead here today and a third injured as the result of mo tor accidents. The dead are Edward Goetz. 25, and Cecil Hoppus, 38, Elk hart. The latter was killed when his truck plunged from a highway into a canal. George Mcßae, 23, escaped death when his truck was struck by a Grand Trunk freight train. The truck was demolished. Entered as Second-Class Matter at Poslofficc, . Indianapolis POLICE TO USE LOTTERY LAW TO SMASH RING OF BASEBALL POOL SELLERS Right to Bar Disturbers From Theater Is Upheld A jury in superior court three today upheld the right of a the ater manager to re'ruse admittance to a person who has caused a disturbance in the house on other occasions. The jury refused to give William Saligoe, 20, of 952 North Holmes avenue, any part of the $5,000 damages he asked for bruises to body and mind he said he received Sept. 30, when Frank Donas, man ager of the Princess movie theater, 2702 West Tenth street, threw him out. . . _ Donas and his wife testified that on previous occasions Saligoe had whistled, talked out loud, pulled young women into his lap, and otherwise disturbed patrons. Saligoe had bought a ticket and started in before Donas saw' him, Sept. 30, the manager testified. Donas said he met Saligoe at the door and told him he could not go in and to get his money returned. Saligoe refused and the fracas ensued. NIGHT CLUB QUEEN TO GO ON STAND Helen Morgan Drew $750 a Week, Then $1,250, Says Defense Witness. Bu United Press NEW YORK, April 18.—Helen Morgan, Broadway singer and Zieg feld star, approached the hour of her taking the witness stand in fed eral court here today with con siderable more poise and gayety than she had shown in the two preceding days of her trial on charges of conducting a nuisance at her night club. The government rested its case at the opening of court—w'hich was delayed ten minutes by a tardy ju ror—and Judge Edwin L. Thomas of Connecticut denied the motions of Helen’s attorney, J. Arthur Adler, to take the case from the jury and dismiss it. Constant reference was made throughout Adler’s argument to the Texas Guinan case, which the gov ernment lost last week. Judge Thomas asserted that there was similarity between the cases, but that there were facts which the jury must determine. Miss Morgan is expected to take the stand late today and it is thought likely that the case may end shortly after her testimony. Myron S. Bentham, a theatrical manager, was the first defense wit ness. He testified that he made the contract between Helen and the owners of the night club, under ■ which she was to get $750 a week as an employe- The progress of the erstwhile Dan ville, 111., shop girl was indicated in the testimony of Bentham, who said that the $750 a week contract had been modified at times until, when the government raided the Helen Morgan summer home last June, she was getting $1,250 a week for her spare time endeavors. This, in addition to her salary from “Show Boat,” made her more than Texas Guinan was getting. “Did Miss Morgan share in the profits of the Helen Morgan summer home?” asked her attorney. “I am positive that she did not,” Bentham answered. “She had ab solutely no financial interest in the place.” PICK AIRPORT ENGINEER Gilbert, Harr to take Charge of City Field Works. Gilbert Harr, assistant engineer in the street repair department, will have charge of the development of the city airport south of Mars Hill, City Engineer A. H. Moore an nounced today. Harr has been in the department for six months. He is an experienc ed engineer, having formerly work ed with a bridge construction firm and as an assistant state highway engineer. $40,000 Blossoms Into $22,000,000 in 9 Years Bu United Press NEW YORK, April 18 —The story of how $40,000 invested nine years ago has developed into a $22,000,000 project was revealed today by Wil liam Travers Jeroifie, who went into the deal by accident and continued as a gamble. It is the story of Technicolor, Inc., equal number of votes for third. That Christ did not place first is attributed to the fact that he is considere ' to be more than a hu man being. Other celebrities and their rank are Caesar, Aristotle, Napoleon Plato, Lnake.'peare, Socrates and Woodrow Wilsrn. Women students outnumbered the men in the class, but only two men—Jane Addams and Mary Baker Eddy—appeared on the list of &5 candidates for honors. Home Work Hit By United Press NEW YORK, April 18.—Dr. William J. O Shea, superin tendent of schools, has laid down a policy of less homework for New York pupils. In a circular issued to princi pals and teachers of New York schools, he has specified that there shall be no home study for children in the first, second and third grades, and that pu pils in other grades shall do homework on a sliding scale, ending in an hour and a half a day for those in the seventh and eighth grades. “Os more importance than home study lessons or home work is the proper use of the study periods in schools and the development in pupils of the ability to study,” O’Shea said. VIEW SCHOOL NEEDS Three New Units Sought for Broad Ripple. Plans for three new units for Broad Ripple high school were agreed upon Wednesday night ny the school’s Parent-Teachers’ Asso ciation. The proposed units would be two school units of twenty-six rooms each with a large unit con taining an auditorium, gymnasium and lunch room between. The school is so crowded that dur ing study periods some students have to sit on the stage. Even the halls are used at times, it was said. April 30 the association, repre sentatives of the students and mem bers of the Chamber of Commerce will meet with the school board to outline needs. HOOVER URGES WILBUR FOR FEDERAL BENCH Name of Former Navy Head Before Senate Second Time. By United Press WASHINGTON, April 18.—The nomination of former Secretary of the Navy Curtis D. Wilbur to be United States judge on the ninth federal circuit, was resubmitted to the senate today by President Her bert Hoover. Wilbur’s nomination was sent up by President Calvin Coolidge in the closing days of last session but failed of confirmation in the legislative jam. Hoover also nominated Francis G. Cassey, Alfred C. Coxe and John M. Woollsey to be federal judges for the southern district of New York, New York City. a concern that virtually has a monopoly on the colored film busi ness. Jerome said he became interested in the project when a client came to him several years ago and in quired if there was enough merit in the colored film invention to justify an investment. The client decided not to make the investment, but Jerome became interested and, together with sev eral friends, put $40,000 into the business. They went into it purely as a gamble, Jerome said, and before they could establish the business securely they had spent $4,000,000. The advent of talking motion pic tures enhanced the value of their investment. Today there are 500,000 shares of stock in the corporation outstanding and it was selling over the counter yesterday at between $44 and $45 a share, giving it an open market value of about $22,000,000. HOME Outside Marlon Coumy 3 Cents TWO CENTS Worley Presses Crusade to Clean Up Gambling in City. NINE MORE ARRESTED Special Squads Swoop on Poolrooms and Nab Suspects. Police switched tactics this after noon and went out with search warrants, determined to strike another body blow at baseball pool ticket selling. In addition to the search war rants, the police had instructions from Chief Claude M. Worley to slate all persons found in possession of pool tickets on a charge of oper ating a lottery. Belief that the lottery law covers baseball pools was the new weapon in the hands of the police. Since the baseball season opened Tuesday, and the drive against pool tickets was begun, police have been raiding without search warrants and slating those arrested on charges of keeping gambling devices, only to have municipal judges throw the cases out as fast as they come up. Invoke Lottery Law The lottery law is broader than the gaming law and the police be lieve that if they can so much as show that a man had a pool ticket or a book of them they can convict. Penalty under the lottery law is from $lO to SSOO fine. Meanwhile, nine more men had been arrested today when police caught them with pool tickets. Most of them were arrested in a surprise drive before breakfast. Lieutenant Ralph Dean, Sergeant Curtis Barge and patrolmen Ros coe Wilkins and Willard Hawkins raided three places on Indiana ave nue to start the early morning ma neuvers. Several Are Arrested Those arrested were Mortin Payne, 40, Negro, proprietor of a poolroom at 331 Indiana avenue, where five pool books were found; Joe Dice, 42, Negro, proprietor of a dry beer sa loon at 312 Indiana avenue, where twenty-four books were found, and Charles Sims, 38, proprietor of the Speedy Bar, 245 Indiana avenue, where sixteen books were found. In each place, the police reported, the tickets were thrown into safes and the doors kicked shut and locked. The police threatened to haul away the safes and the pro prietors opened them, it was stated. Saloon Man Arrested Meanwhile, Sergeant Harley Jones raided the saloon of William Wil liams, 30, at 413 Massachusetts ave nue, and found some torn pool books in a stove. Williams was arrested. Patrolmen F. C. Davis and Arthur Low, carrying out orders to watch for pool salesmen around factories, arrested Robert Linday, 33, of 1220 West New York street, near the Kingan & Cos. plant. They said he had five pool books with him. Lieutenant Ed Helm, Sergeant Joe Everson and Patrolman Martin O’Brien said they saw William (Red) Craven, 48, of 801 North Highland avenue, about to sell a customer a pool ticket in his res taurant, so they arrested him. The officers said they found two other books of tickets in the place. Poolroom Man Robbed Samuel Baldwin, 25, of 109 West St. Clair street, was arrested later in his poolroom at 604 North Illi nois street, by Lieutenant Victor Houston and Sergeant Frank Reilly. Twenty-seven books of tickets were confiscated by Sergeant Frank Reilly and squad and Lieutenant Victor Houston when they raided the Jacob Berkowdtz poolroom at 146 South Illinois street. Berkowitz, 46, was the first to be charged with operating a lottery. Police said he threw' the tickets into an open safe when they entered, but was pre | vented from closing the door. Municipal Judge Paul C. Wetter discharged Theodore Stevens, 610 West Maryland street, arrested ; Wednesday, because police seized ; pool tickets from him without a ; search warrant. WANTS COURT CLERK County Board Considers Request of Judge Cameron for Aid. Request for a clerk's office for Municipal Judge Clifton R. Camer on in police headquarters, is being considered today by county commis -1 sioners. In a letter to the county board, Cameron said that because : of the number of cases tried in his court it was inconvenient for at taches to escort fine payers to the main floor. He said city officials have prom ised to move the Gamewell division offices to the south side of the building and requested an appro priation of SI,OOO be made to cover the cost of equipping the new of fice. Ministers in Session Hu United Press MARION, Ind., April 18.—The In diana Ministerial Conference of the Wesleyan Methodist church con tinued here today. Approximately sixty canisters were in attendance.