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tritippj-MOivAjtO Bea Santa Claus A white Christmas, beautiful in its snows, brings with it inevitable sufferings. * There are many who find in the low temperature and the cold winds something else than beauty. There are very many whose clothing furnishes no protection against the cold and whose houses are not, unfortunately, warm. There are homes in which the cheer is missing, even though the spirit of good will may be there. It In unfortunate that this is true. Misfortune, per haps lack of thrift mischance and sickness, have their victims. While some suffer, there are others who possess more than they can use. There are closets filled with garments which may never again be worn. These might, conceivably, save a human life. At least they would bring warmth and comfort to those -who are in need. You will enjoy your Christmas just a little more if you have the satisfaction of knowing that somewhere in this city Is a man, a woman or a child to whom the world looks brighter because of your interest and your gift. There are dozens of agencies which know the names of those whose lives can be made more comfortable and brightened by clothing, even food. It Is tragic to think that there may be those who will be hungry at this time of the year. It in more tragic to think that there may be count less thousands so comfortable that they can for get or never think of others. Get In touch with the men and women who make tt their business to discover need and want. You will feel better. Those whom you aid will be happier. Railroad Consolidations For eight yearn the railroads have been complain ing because the government would not permit them to carry out the consolidations necessary for efficiency and service. Different reads have had different panaceas and pet unification plans. Meanwhile the interstate commerce commission has been working away at the tack, month after month and year after year. Now the commission has pro duced its report. The report is worthy of the long labor expended upon it and of the Importance of the subject. Doubt less it is not perfect. There will be disagreement over many points. Indeed, seme of the commissioners dis agree among themselves. And of course not all the railroads will be pleased, especially those whose own projects have been sacrificed in the interests of the transportation system as a whole. But probably few will deny that the commission has produced a working basis for the first time. On that working basis, the roads and the commission now cair proceed with discussions of detail which hither to have been delayed. Perhaps the part of the commission plan which will cause most debate is the suggested new Wabash sys tem. which would become the key to five competing trunk lines in eastern territory in place of the four systems proposed by the roads. But, given the right attitude on the part of the roads, there is no reason why satisfactory adjust ments of the commission plan can not be worked out. Action is needed. The roads have not exaggerated in telling the President that rail consolidation is the biggest contribution the transportation industry can make to the nation-wide effort to stabilize prosperity. The roads should be prepared early in the new year to submit definite proposals to the commission along the general lines laid down by the report. Then con gress can hasten the necessary legislation to permit the needed unification. Carolina Would Forget Eight deputy sheriffs, who fired upon Marion <N. C.) strikers, killing six and wounding twenty, have been freed by a jury. The state attorney announces that he will drop the 100 riot cases against strikers. Press dispatches say the people of North Carolina hope this ends the strike troubles, as they want to forget. It is not so easy as that. Evil industrial conditions which produced the textile strike continue. Until those conditions of near-slavery are wiped out the warfare will go on. Far from improving the situation, these trials have only made it worse—much worse. It is bad enough when American workers can not get justice from em ployers It is more dangerous when American work ers believe they no longer can get justice in the courts. And that is the mood of the North Carolina work ers today. They think the courts are rigged against them. No wonder they are desperate. Who shall deny that there is some basis for their bitterness? Consider the record: At Gastonia the law did not protect the workers in their constitutional civil liberties. Police, troopers and law officers were guilty of violence. They were not restrained. Mobs set upon the strikers and were not punished for their lawlessness. But later when someone killed the police chief the law acted quickly. Strike leaders were tried under methods of inqui sition and convicted. At the same time a woman striker was mur dered by a mob, but the mob leaders still are free. So in Marion. Strike leaders have been convicted of rioting and sentenced to jail. But the sheriffs who killed strikers are released by the courts and made heroes by the employers. If the North Carolina courts will not convict the guilty in a massacre like that at Marion there seems little chance that they ever will punish the lawless law officers who are terrorizing the unions. The strikers and nonpartisan witnesses swore that the strikers were unarmed and defenseless. The killed and wounded were shot in the back. No sheriff was shot. But now these official gunmen are released .on a weak plea of self-defense. However great the provocation, the textile workers have nothing to gain and everything to lose by return ing violence for violence. They will not, if they are wise, let bitterness over this court decision drive them to excesses. The only way out for North Carolina labor is strong union organization. In the long run it will find that its economic weapons are mightier than the gun* and legal subterfuges of its enemies. The Indianapolis Times (A SCKIPPS-HOWARD .NEWSPAPER) Owof! iDfi published daily (except Sunday) by Tbe Indianapolis Times Publishing Cos.. 214-220 '.Vest Maryland Street, Indianapolis. Ind Price in Marion County. 2 cents a copy: elsewhere. 0 cents delivered by carrier. 12 rents a week. BOYD GURLEY. HOT \V. HOWARD. FRANK G. MORRISON. Editor President Business Manager PHO NR—HI Ie y •*■ssl MONDAY. DEC. 23. 1929. Member of I nited Press. Seripps-Howard Newsrapei Alliance, Newspaper Enterprise Asso- elation, Newspaper Information Service and Audit Bureau of Circulations. “Give Light and the People Will Find Their Own Way” Who Has Prosperity? America is rich and getting richer. Statistics re leased the other day by the national bureau of eco nomic research showed that the national income in 1928 was 89' 2 billions, compared with 29billions ip 1909. The average income of wage earners and salaried workers increased materially, and relatively more rapidly than that of the employing class. Farmers alone failed to improve their condition. There has been much evidence of a similar sort. No people at any other time or in any other place have had so much wealth. Our material prosperity staggers the imagination. But while we rejoice in the collective possession of more of this world's goods—luxuries as well as neces saries—and in more leisure, other questions arise. What of the distribution of this wealth? What are we doing with our leisure? what is happening to us as a nation as a result of our mechanized age, of which we are so proud? Are there large numbers of the population with out work and in want? Hav e workers been di'placed so that they can not get their share of our added wealth? What of the scrapping of men past middle age? Do we have at one extreme wealth beyond dreams of avarice, and at the other hunger and poverty? Labor Secretary Davis in a recent public address was quoted as saying, “literally millions of our people are without any purchasing power whatever, because they have no jobs, and other and more millions are unable to buy what they need, not to say what they want, because of chronically inadequate wages.”' Davis went on to cite specific industries and locali ties, where workers have fallen behind in the general advance. We are to have light on some of these questions. President Hoover just has named a committee on social trends, composed of a number of specialists, which will make an inquiry paralleling that of the committee on economic trends, which a few months ago submitted the results of an elaborate survey. The Rockefeller foundation is providing funds. The committee will consider such things as the effect, of the move to cities, increased leisure and in ventions on the national life. It will conduct research into the improvement of national health and its effect; changes in occupations and family life; in housing; and in similar subjects. It will in general seek out those tendencies in modern life which arc important. Such survey should De well worth while if it points the way toward prosperity for those who have not shared thus far in our national well-being. Talking motion pictures are proposed by a minister to sweil the attendance in the churches. Maybe one plan might be to offer a course of golf lessons on Sun day mornings. What some after-dinner speakers need is not a watch—but a calendar. REASON By FP S K A LL these states which are wondering how they will handle their overcrowded prisons and the resulting riots could relieve the congestion and serve society by taking the prisoners out of doors and building roads with them. This would not offend free labor, since there are enough roads to build to give employment to all. a tt The first objection which occurs to the average person is the danger of wholesale escapes, but ex perience has proved that the prisoners are so glad to get away from wails and cells that the problem of guarding them is negligible. Os course, the most desperate could not be trusted and they could be left inside. a a u Mary McCormick, the opera singer, who has been waiting in Paris to grab Pola Negri’s prince the min ute Pola divorced him, now 7 finds herself drifting through space, a vagrant atom, since Pola and the prince have decided to try it a little longer. If he were a butter and egg man, Mary could sue him for several millions, but being only a prince, she couldn’t hope to recover anything, except his spats. 8 8 8 II EPRESENTATIVE SELVIG of Minnesota would have the national government spend $100,000,- 000 every year for rural schools throughout the country. While it always is pleasant to pass the buck to Uncle Sam. the people always pay the bill in the end. Under our system of government, the maintenance of public schools belongs to the states and we have enough centralization cf power at Washington with out adding to it. 8 8 8 If this were done, the next step would be to have Washington take over the care of all town schools throughout the length and breadth of the land where the towns were unable to furnish up-to-date school systems and beiore a great while this would grow to be a white elephant of enormous proportions. In due time we doubtless would have a secretary of basketball in the cabinet. 8 8 8 r T''HERE will be a merry time down in Alabama, now that Tom Heflin has been ruled out of the Democratic party and will run as an independent candidate for the senate, and if we were betting, we would bet on Heflin. Heflin first broke into the headlines some twenty five years ago by saying that someone should have thrown a bomb when Roosevelt gave Booker Wash ington a lunch at the White House, 8 8 8 The senate should pass before Christmas the hos pitalization bill just passed by the house of repre sentatives and provide every disabled ex-service man with care at the earliest possible date. This would be the best possible Christmas present for tlie wrecks of the World war. 8 8 8 The willingness of Japan to sacrifice any other kind of warships at the coming London conference, in order to increase her submarine strength indi cates that the Oriental brother realizes that aviation has put out of business all ships which ride the waves. THE INDIANAPOLIS TIMES M. E. Tracy SAYS: ! Science Promises to Develop the Most Rigid Tyranny This World Ever Has j Known. TWENTY-ONE railroad systems by national decree, with rates and returns virtually guaranteed— on what particular shelf have we laid the time-honored doctrine of competition! When we began to reform the railroads, it was with the idea that we must smash' the monopolistic element, prevent mergers, and kill the spirit of combination. Now. we’re going to put them to ther, whether they like it or not. It's the % god of efficiency taking command, the expert economist sup planting the promoter, mathematics emerging from the realm of dreams. If We hadn’t wanted such a thing, we never should have encouraged science. tt tt tt Science Is Tyrant OGiE-NCE promises to develop the 3 most rigid tyranny this world ever has known, not only harness ing men and women to machines, but cataloging them and classify ing them, each according to his pe culiar aspirations. Intelligent, of course, but pitiless and unromantic in its precision. Who would swap the chance of being a good bookkeeper for the pastime of imagining he would make a good musician? Who would prefer to being examined by a board of alienists and told what he must do to the delightful pastime of dreaming about it in ignorance. For men and women who must earn a living in the later hard boiled years, science may present wonderful opportunities, but it’s go ing to be tough on children. In theory, Dartmouth college will get between $1,500,000 and $2,100,000 150 years hence, now that the Waters bequest has been upheld. The Waters request consists of $1,500, which is to be invested and reinvested for a century and a half, when it will be turned over to tho college with all accumulated earn ings. At 5 per cent, compounded an nually, money doubles in a little more than fourteen years. If there were nothing but arith metic to consider, any one could compute the result. Arithmetic, however, only tells a small part of the story. o tt a Theory Doesn't Work Benjamin franklin left two funds of 1,000 pounds each to accumulate for a century. According to his calculation they should have amounted to 131,000 pounds, but they did not, or any thing like it. Figuring out what money will earn over a given period and mak ing it do so are two very different things. Theoretically, one dollar placed at compound interest when Colum bus discovered America now would equal the wealth of the civilized world, but in practice it would not. which is a mighty good thing. tt tt tt When the money market becomes so safe that we can depend on reg ular dividends, much less compound interest, for 150 years, either inter est rates will flatten out, or the ec onomic system they represent. w’iil go to smash. Asa matter of common sense, humanity could not live w r ith ex isting interest rates, except for the failures, panics and depressions It suffers. It is -the gamble that keeps the thing going, and the gamble means losses as well as winnings. tt tt a Power Not Permanent LOSSES come not only through business failure, but through change, improvement and political revolution. No doubt the merchants, manu facturers and nabobs of the old Rus sian regime considered themselves and their money quite safe until the war broke out. Now, where are they, or their in vestments? The bonds they prized are not worth the price of wall paper, and what has happened to them has happened a dozen times within the last five hundred years. Whether in politics, society, re ligion or finance, human nature will not tolerate a system that lays the basis for permanent power, which would be the case if it were possible to lay aside 51,500, or any other amount, and let it accumulate in definitely. tt u a In this connection, the advent of Stalin's fiftieth birthday brings out a curious point. As every one knows, Stalin is the boss of Soviet Russia, and probably enjoys intimate control of more people than any living man. What every one does not know is that he was named Joseph and destined for the church because a xievout Christian mother wished to express her gratitude for the fact that he was born near Christmas. What would she have thought could she have foreseen him leading a political movement which has for one of its objectives not only the annihilation of Christmas, but of the religion for which Christmas stands? Where is the Sargasso sea? How was the name derived? It is a region of the Atlantic ocean, from about latitude 25 de grees north of 35 degrees north, and between the Azores and the Ba hamas. The name was derived from the large amount of seaweed, par ticularly sargassum bat ciferum, which it contains. It lies in the eddy of the great systems of cur rents, so that the waters carry very little sediment and are remarkably clear and transparent. The sea weed includes other types than the one named, which, however, is the most common. The forms have no organs of attachment, but are supplied with air cells causing them to float on the surface, where they are blown about by the winds. .^j;jy-"-sf- :i Tr I ' PONT^NTIO^\^ V/i'/.ill' ' . ITWASH'TA Tm BIT or ikJ W TRAKKS rrsonfctT & - - - TROUBLL , * /a WffETHE ."• , / ! GRAHDEST : /- MAH IK ( \ I — '<> IHE WHOLE . 'ii r-y yGA-v -nggk WORLD? -s£Ff lift Proper Posture Important for Health BY DR. MORRIS FISHBEIN Editor Journal of the American Medical Association and of Hygeia, tbe Health Magazine. THE footgear of mankind throughout the world offers an interesting study. It varies from the bindings which were placed in the past about the feet of the high caste Chinese lady to the spiked heels and peculiarly decorated slippers of the American mode for women of today. It seems doubtful that one is much worse than the,other. As long as clothing is selected for fashion and style rather than for comfort, hy gienists and physicians are likely to continue to bear testimony against them. Dr. Norman D. Mattison consid ers, in Hygeia, the possibilities for the development of the foot and the shoe in the future. He believes that we should begin early in life to IT SEEMS TO ME By BROUN UPON the cover of the current issue of Manufacturers' Record (“Exponents of America”) I find a prominent display of an utterance by North Carolina .workers. “Mill employes in Carolina make a remarkable statement,” is the headline furnished by the magazine which goes on to explain: “The re cent strike brought on by Commu nistic leaders at the Leaksville wool en mills at Charlotte, N. C., has calleld forth from the 156 employes who did not strike, out of the total of 202 employes, a remarkable state ment presented through the Char lotte Observer, and to the owners of the mill.” In the course of this statement by the workers there appears the following which is featured by the Manufacturers’ Record: “We are not Bolsheviks. We are American citizens. We are church-going and law-abiding people. We believe in the Bible. We believe there is a God, a heaven and a hell, and we believe the Constitution of the United States of America is the greatest document ever written by mortal man, and ours the most pow erful and best country on earth. “No community will go further or sacrifice more in the defense of this country than these 156 em ployes of the Leaksville mill.” 8 8 8 Remarkable? THE Manufacturers’ Record Is quite right in describing this as a remarkable statement, but it. might do well to emphasize that it is remarkable chiefly as shawing the muddle-headedness of 156 em ployes out of a total of 202. At least, I trust that the Manu facturers’ Record is not in favor of this attempt to elaborate the re quirements now held necessary for 100 per cent Americanism. As the statement stands there -is the distinct implication that the existence of hell is provided for in the Constitution of the United States and that any man who de nies it becomes forthwith a 80l- Questions and Answers When was Paper money first issued by the United States govern ment? In 1861. What is copperas? The old name for ferrous sulphate or green vitriol. It is made by dis solving iron In dilute sulphuric acid. Are albinos a separate race? The word albino was first applied by the Portuguese to white Negroes in West Africa, ft is not the name of a separate race, but applies to any individual in whom there Is a con genital deficiency in the coloring pigment of the hair, skin or iris of the eye. W”hy does the state of Illinois have two representatives-at-large in congress? Because the total population of the state entitled it to ha,ve two more representatives than there are congressional districts. There Aint No Justice! -DAILY HEALTH SERVICE train the foot to carry the body’s weight and to begin a campaign leading toward a proper shoe for a proper foot. How many people really can walk efficiently and gracefully? The rea son most of them are not able to use their feet to good advantage is the failure to develop a good work ing foot. • A large part of the development of a suitable foot is study of proper balance for the rest of the body. The erect posture of the human being is maintained not only by standing on the feet, but also by holding the limbs in line through suitable action of the muscles and by proper balancing of the body upon the feet. Various exercises have been elab orated for developing the muscles of the legs and the feet toward this end. shevik and probably one seduced by Russian gold. Some such explanation is needed to juslfy the inclusion of a theo logical dogma into a disoussion of an economic problem. Manufacturers, I always had sup posed, were expected to have faith in God, the protective tariff and the Republican party. This is the first time I ever knew that Ameri canism I was somehow bound up with the doctrine of hell-fire. 8 8 8 Plain Logic But I can see the logic of it. Any organization or group which permits the existence of child labor would have to believe pro foundly in a hell. Or at the very least demand that the workers feel such a faith. And any organization which can calmly contemplate the conditions existing in North Carolina textile mills would of necessity be com pelled to hold to the belief that somewhere there is a kingdom where torture is eternal. This faith is very necessary for it, and it alone makes it possible for a mill boss to say to the men, women and children in his factory, “Cheer up, things might be worse.” .And in an amplified version of the loyal workers’ report I find “The living conditions here are ideal. The houses are all modern in every re spect, with water, lights and venti lation. The mill is also well lighted and ventilated. The mill manage ment takes a special pride in keep ing the whole village in a clean and sanitary condition.” Although I have never been in the Leaksville woolen mills at Char lotte. N. C.. I presume to challenge the accuracy of this statement. 8 8 8 Heaven? CONDITIONS are not ideal. Con ditions can not possibly be ideal as long as the employe lives as the ward of his boss. The mill manage ment, we are told, keeps the whole village clean and sanitary. No. I will not accept the fact that Leaksville is a little bit of heaven here on earth until it is possible for the workers to keep themselves clean and sanitary without any out side interference whatsoever. Again I read. “The attitude of employers toward employes here is a relation bordering almost upon parental solicitude. In sickness, in death or adversity of any kind, Mr. Morehead, Mr. Taliaferro and Mr. Shoemate always are willing and anxious to extend sympathetic and material help to any .employe.” And these men who live like serfs in a medieval feudalism have the effrontery to present themselves as the very tower of the liberty con ceived in the American Constitution. Daily Thought This is My commandment, That ye love one another, as I have ioved yon.—St. John 15:12. 8 8 8 Love never reasons, but profusely gives; gives, like a thoughtless prod igal, its all, and trembles then lest it has done too liuia —Hannah Moe. Standing on one foot while the other is raised to various positions and angles helps to develop the sense of equilibrium and also to give power to the various muscles that have been mentioned. The whole tendency of the body is to fell over. To avoid falling over, the individual sticks out his chin, pushes forward his neck, bends his back and leans forward, backward, to one side or the other. Tire result is protruding chin, ewe necks. twL.ed spines' and round shoulders. In many great clinics today far more attention is paid to posture than is given to almost any other phase of hygiene for human health. the movement is in the right di rection, since proper posture means good functioning for all the organs of the body and* a sense of well be ing or tone that leads to efficiency. Ideals and opinions expressed in this column are those of one of America’s most inter esting writers and are pre sented without regard to their agreement or disagreement with the editorial attitude of this paper.—The Editor. I doubt if the dreamers who undertook to bring democracy to the new world ever intended to perpetuate a system under which the loyal worker lived like a cab ined slave upon his master’s prop erty. Nor is the ultimate goal of the pursuit of happiness a scepe in which the tear-stained widow grasps the hand of the benevolent boss and says, “Thanks for the cof fin, sir.” (Copyright. 1929. by The Times) d-i&THe PLYMOUTH FOUNDED Dec. 23 ON DEC. 23, 1620, the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth, the first town to be established in New Eng land. The Plymouth settlers, having fixed upon a place for a town, on a high ground facing the bay, where the land was cleared and the water excellent, went on shore from the Mayflower and felled and carried timber to the spot designated for the erection of a building for com mon use. The Pilgrims were Separatists who had left England and come to America to establish “a church without a bishop, a state without a king.” In the reaction from the Church of England, they laid aside all re ligious ceremonials, so that for a time marriages and funerals were conducted without * religious serv ices, and public worship was stripped of all semblance of rituals. Today also is the anniversary of General George Washington’s resig nation as commander of the Ameri can army on Dec. 27, 1782. The Right Thing to Do Good manners and good form are not affectations to be despised as something “put on.” There are reasons for the forms of etiquet that have become part of the equipment of cultured people. Failure to do the “right tning” at the right moment shows a lack of good breeding, of consideration for others, that is inexcusable in this day and age. Our Washington bureau has a packet of eight of authoritative and informative bulletins, covering etiquet for every occasion, that it will send to any reader. The titles are: 1. Social Etiquet 5. Etiquet of Weddings 2. The Etiquet of Travel 6. Origins of Etiquet 3. Dinner Etiquet 7. Etiquet for Children 4. Etiquet of Dress 8. Personality and Charm If you want this packet, fill out the coupon below and mall u directed- CLIP COUPON HERE ETIQUET EDITOR. Washington bureau, The Indianapolis Times. 1&22 New York avenue. Washington, D. C. I want the packet of eight bulletins on ETIC.UET. and enclose herewith 25 cents in coin, or loose, uncancelled United States post age stamps to cover postage and handling costa. NAME STREET AND NUMBER CITY STATE I am a reader of The Indianapolis Times. 'Code No.) _DEC. 23, 1929 SCIENCE By DAVID DIETZ- Youths With Scientific Train ing Can Name Their Own Desires in the Job Field in Coming Years. TALKING movies, trans-Atlantic telephony and radio are de manding the services of more young men with advanced scientific train ing than the technical schools of the United States can furnish, ac cording to Professor Walter I. Slichter of the department of elec trical engineering of Columbia uni versity. Professor Slichter says that every graduate in electrical engineering at Columbia tiffs June will have his choice of from four to seven posi tions in research laboratories. The layman sometimes may ask the value of all the technical talk about atoms and electrons and light waves. The pages and pages of mathematical material setting forth new theories about the nature of light, for example, may seem ol doubtful value to him. But. the big corporations of the United States don't think so. Ac cording to Dr. Slichter, young men just out of the universities with training in these advanced branches?*, of physics, chemistry 7 and mathe matics, have a better opportunity of advancement today than older men in the field who have had more experience but less training. The reason for this is that many lines of research have become so far advanced that branches of higher mathematics, once regarded as pure ly theoretical, are finding daily ap plication in them. tt M 8 Mathematics THE American Telephone and Telegraph Company, the West inghouse Electric and Manufactur ing Company, the General Electric Company, the International Tele phone and Telegraph Company and the Bell Laboratories are among the larger corporations which are com peting for the services of young engineers with advanced training in mathematics, according to Dr. Slichter. “This is the day of the young man in scientific research,’” he says. “In the laboratories of the larger cor porations, young men are being ad vanced rapidly to responsible posi tions. Older engineers, despite their practical experience, are becoming justly worried at the situation. “The plight of the older man is largely due to** re cent developments in engineering, especially in elec trical engineering, which require much greater familiarity with in volved scientific principles than men trained a decade ago have. “The old cut and dried rule of thumb is no longer satisfactory be cause of the application of mathe matics, physics and chemistry to modern scientific problems. “Very few men of the older school know enough mathematics to work some of the formulas used today. Higher mathematics, which are in dispensable at present, were gen erally neglected in the curricula of their day." 8 8 8 The Talkies DR. SLIGHTER points out that in Columbia and in other uni versities and colleges, many young men now are engaged in researches which bear directly upon the prob lems of these big corporations. He points out that in radio, the talking movie, television, high volt j age electrical transmission and | many other problems, the engineer i today must have excellent knowl | edge of the behavior of electrons | and light waves and the mathe | matical formulae describing the be i havior, I “A number of our men are doing I valuable research work in radic i telegraphy and telephony,” he says. | “The talking moving picture is sim ilar to the radio in principle, involv ing as it does the sound features of the radio and the use of the photo electric cell. “The ultimate development of the quality of the voice in the sound picture will depend upon the activi ties of young men now working in this field.” Professor Slichter points out that men who were graduated from en gineering colleges as late as 1927 were instrumental in achieving the recent inauguration of short wave trans-Atlantic telephony by the American Telephone and Telegraph Company. He says that representatives of the big corporations are now making tours of the engineering colleges, in terviewing senior students with a view to finding places for them upon graduation which will make the maximum use of their training and talents. What portion of steel consumed In the United States is used for rail roads, automobiles and buildings? In 1928. 17.0 per cent by railroads: 15.2 in automobiles, and 15.2 in buildings.