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wiinin tue leper reservation. He stated
uv:hctcu j,uuu wouiu corer tne ex
penditure. Agreed to.
Minister Guiicn moved a new item of $16,
000 in aid of boring new artesian wells. He
explained that at the last sessisn of the Leg
islaUre nearly $85,000 was appropriated,
but very little of it was used. About $2,500
had been expended on the Island of Molokai
in the waj of making survey i. He wanted
it understood that this sum was to be de
voted in aid of boring wells, or rather an
Mr. W. O. Smith alluded to appropria
tions made by former Legislature, where
there had been no satisfactory result. He
did not think that the country could stand
any more appropriations of this kind at this
Mr. Bishop said he did not think it was
wise for the Government to spend money
in artesian wells for private individuals,
and was Apposed to any appropriation for
that purpose.
The $16,000 item was then rejected.
Mr. Nakaleka moved an item of $5,000 for
artesian wells on the Island of Molokai.
Agreed to.
Mr. Dole moved an item of $15,000 for the
purpose of securing historical paintings of
the islands, and the ancient legends. He
admitted that it was a kind of a luxury, but
was something that should be attended to.
The motion was lost. .
Mr. Dole moved a now item of $500 for "
the purchase of Queen K&piolani's oil por
trait at Williams'. The motion was lost by
a large majority.
Mr. Gulick moved an item of $5,000 for as
sistance in boring artesian wells at Makua,
Oahn Island.
Mr. Howell was opposed to spending
money for the benefit of private pirties. If
it was to be a benefit to the Government it
would be different.
Mr. Bishop said the probability is that
after the experience had no, success would
follow any tench appropriation. The motion
was lost.
Mr. Gibson moved a new item of $3,000
for publication of the only History of the
Hawaiian race prior to the advent of civiliza
tion, written by the Hon. Abram Fornander.
Agreed to.
One of the inquisitive native members
asked what language the : book was to be
printed in.
He was informed by Mr. Gibson that it
was intended to publish it in the English
language. Then a motion made to re-con
sider the vote was agreed to, thus re-opon-ing
the question.
Mr. Gulick explained the merits of the
work, but said that if it was to be published
in the Hawaiian language it would cost $12,
000 cr more.
Mr. W. O. Smith did not think that matter
of this kind and paintings were necessary,
and the country must wait until there was
more money on hand.
Mr. Kalua opposed the proposition.
The motion was lost.
Mr. Gulick moved an item of $12,000 for
the codification of the laws. Lost.
Mr. Gulick moved an item of $23,441.92,
balance due for the furnishing and comple
tion of the Iolani Palace.
A list mi the bills were sent up to the desk
to be read, The bills accompanied the list.
' Mr. Kalua condemned the action of the
Minister of the Interior in bringing on these
bills at this time when the House was to
adjourn in a few dajs.
Mr. Judd said he. had been unable to
present them, but that the Finance Com
mittee was aware of this indebtedness.
Mr. Dole inquired why this matter had
been delayed mntil this late day.
Mr. Godfrey Brown, Chairman of the Fi
nance Committee, stated that the motion
bad teen made to refer this matter to the
Finance Committee. He was sure they
would never report favorably on it. Amongst
those bills there was one of $5,600 owing to
Mr. Lucas. Two months ago he (Mr. B.)
bad asked Lucas if the Government owed
him anything. He said "Yes, five or six
hundred dollars." He did not know any
thing about Colonel Judd's bills until a day
cr two ago. As far as he could see they
were items of personaU expenses.
Mr. Pilipo spoek at great length against
the introduction of bills of this kind at this
S4 Mr. Nakaleka made a speech, favoring the
reference to the Finance Committee.
Mr. Gibson said here was & matter of ac
counts, none of which had originated in any
of the departments. They had been brought
into notice by His Majesty's Chamberlain.
He was not conversant with them. The
Department of the Interior had thought
proper to lay them before the House at this
late day. Ho would be glad to get the opin
ion f the Committee of Finance even, and
6hould like to see the question of these ex
penditures referred to them.
Mr. Hitchcock wanted to know how
this expenditure by the Chamberlain, un
warranted, was to go on? Are we to pay
the Chamberlain's bill for the palace, un
warranted by the Ministry? His Majesty's
Chamberlain had no right to run up bills,
unauthorized, for the palace, its repairs or
its furniture. These bills, amounting to
$23,009, were brought in at tbe end of the
se3sion. This was unjust, and they had no
right to bring the subject up. .
Mr. W. O. Smith said in looking over
these bills he found them charged under six
different headings, and a large portion of
them really came under the household ex
penses of His Majesty. They could not ex
amine these accounts to-morrow. What the
committee felt most keenly was tbe submis
sion of this multitude of items at the last
hour. Such action was unprecedented. It
was useless to refer the matter to the com
mittee, and improper to pass these items.
The President said the question before the
House was the reference of these documents
to the Finance Committee. The motion
was put and carried.
Governor Dominis announced that His
Majesty had been pleased to sign several
bills presented, but had withheld his signa
ture to the Act providing for the protection
of creditors- against fraudulent insolvents,
which would compel all traders to keep
their books in English or Hawaiian.
The House adjourned at 10 o'clock p. j.
Fkidat, August 22, 1834.
The House met at 10 a. ar,
Minutes of previous meeting were read
and approved.
On motion of Mr. Aholo, Governor Domi
nis was appointed a select committee to in
form His Majesty that the House would not
be ready to adjourn on Saturday, but would
be ready for that act on Tuesdav next or
such day as might please His Majesty.
Agreed to.
On motion of Mr. Bishop, the bill in rela
tion to the tuition fees, to be charged parents
of scholars in certain schools, was taken up
on its second reading.
Mr. Bishop said that he was so confident
that the bill would meet the requirements
of the present time respecting these matters,
that he thought it was advisable to experi
ment with such an act for the next two
The bill wa? ordered to a third reading on
The bill to amend Section 8 of Chapter 79
of the Penal Code, relating to the recording
of marriages, was passed.
The bill to authorize William R. Austin
and his associates to construct a railroad in
the streets of Honolulu, was passed.
The House then went into consideration
of the Appropriation Bill.
Mr. Eaae moved a reconsideration of . the
vote by which the item for immigration was
allowed and passed.
A long debate ensuea untu a recess was
had until afternoon.
Mr. Eaulukou said the object
tho re
consideration of the item was that if the Ja
panese immigration scheme did not suit, the
Government ought to have the power to turn
their attention to another race of people.
Mr. W. O. Smith said it was too patent
that this measure was in the interests of a
member of the Assembly. It was fully un
derstood in the first place, what was the ob
ject of the vote, and now it was brought
forward in the interests of a private person.
He was ashamed of such a proceeding and
and he was astonished at it. It was not
necessary to say any more.
Mr. Geo. Macfarlane said it was not neces
sary to say any more in the strain cf tho
Hon. Member for Wailuku, but it was neces
sary to say a few words in refutation of the
insinuations which had been made by Mr.
Smith, and also .'by the Hon. Member for
llilo, Mr; Hitchcock. They were all labor
ing under some misapprehension about tho
item in the Appropriation Bill. He had
borne in mind during the session that
'speech was silver, silence was golden."
Having passed the gold bill, he had hitherto
preferred the gold basis, but circumstances
had compelled him, at this late day in the
session to return to the silver basis. He
had refrained from sneaking on account of
his interests being varied and extensive, and
he did not want any dishonest motive to be
imputed to him. On the subject of immi
gration he felt obliged to give his views en
aceount of some of the remarks that had
been made by the Hon. Member for Wai
luku. The Committse on Immigration say
there is good prospect of obtaining a supply
of Japanese at a reduced cost, and they
were asked to throw aside the efforts of
three or four legislators towards the repop
ulation of the country; efforts which have
been so" far succepjful that they can get as
good a supply cif immigration from the
Azorean Islands as they need. They now
asked to borrow this money, for what ? a
good prospect only. There is no - statesman
ship nor business in such action; not even
common sense. He disclaimed any antago
nispto Japanese immigration. Let us have
Japanese if they suit. He did not mean the
Government, this House or the planters.
He meant the country at large. If they
suit better, then their course was clear and
their duty is plain. In the meantime corn-
mon prudence teaches them to follow in the
course of the Minister of the Interior, and
not to give up old business before they get
the new. From what he knew of Japanese,
a large immigration would be a boon to the
country, a valuable contribution to the
future prosperity and welfare of the Islands.
It would, however, be childish to expect too vote upon one side or the other. He was not
much from the new prospect. . If they favorable to Chinese immigration. He was
stopped the Portntruese immigration, the in favor of ajiy other immigration, pro
planters would be the first to growl about vided the country does not suffer by the
it. change. It was no use disguising the
Mr. Isenberg No.
Mr. Macfarlane continued:
During the last three-weeks he had re
ceived application for 300 Portuguese, but
no applications for Germans. lie did not
wish to discuss the superiority of the Portu
guese as against tho Japanese. With regard
to Chinese population. There was every
argument in favor of Chinese as a laborer,
it he fails, to show he is a good citizen
he pays his taxes. They were not
there to legislate for the planters only, but
also for the welfare of tho nation. If Por
tuguese immigration stops, in three years
what proportion .would there be on planta
tions? There was nothing alluring about
plantation life as some of the honorable
members would lead them to believe, that
they would renew their contracts. They
would try every other means of making a
living for themselves, and it is for the good
ef the country they should do so. They had
to see the small interests flourish as well as
the larger ones. They must limit the im
migration according to the demand, and as
long as applications were received at the In
terior Office. The present system has not
been created by a bundle of red tape, but at
much labor and an expensive process. It
has been built up gradually, and be believed
it now to be a perfect system.
Mr. Isenberg How about the last con
tracts? -
Mr. Macfarlane They are being perfected
now. It was a slip. Any scheme is liable
to err. When he went to London he made
the contracts so simple and plain that no
question arose. The present contracts were
made without his knowledge, and in pursu
ance of an arrangement between the Govern
ment and Mr. Hoffnung, and a mistake had
been made. He had nothing to do with it,
though charged by the Bulletin. He had
nothing to say about the two further ship
ments. It rested between the Government
and Mr. Hoffnung. The question can be
brought within very narrow limit. They
had brought immigrants from the Portu
guese Islands. They think, but they do not
know that they can get better labor from
Japan. They ought to find out whether
they were right or not before they cut off the
present source of supply. It will take twe
years before. tney can aeveiop Japanese im
migration. In the meantime those who
want them will have to wait. He was in
favor of immigration only, and leaving it to
the discretion of the Government what na-
tionalitv they introduce.
Mr. Hichcock said, he was muoh edited
by what had been said by . the Hon. Noble,
and what he knew about plantations on Ha
waii, if they passed tne motion they would
shut up the door for the importation of Por
Mr. Cecil Brown said, as he understood
the bill, a trial is to be given of Japanese
immigration.. On the failure of Japanese
tne balance oi tne appropriation win be ap
plicable to Portuguese or other immigration,
and he did not think any other construction
Could be put on the clavse as worded in the
Appropriation Bill. If the Government find
it is not suitable, then they will turn to such
other nations as they find most suitable.
Mr. Isenberg said the immigration of
Portuguese, was, on the whole, a good
thing, but they have been expensive labor to
plantations. They often came in when no
other labor could be had, and for that reason
they wers beneficial. But he thought it too
expensive to continue to bring them in as
fait as they have been .coming. The same
with Japanese. They cannot afford it even
two years. There is not a better laborer for
the plantation than a Chinaman. They cost
the Government nothing. He did not like
to have all Chinamen, and for that reason
he liked to see Japanese and Portuguese
coming. $390,000 is altogether too much.
He advocated opening tho door for China
men and they would have all the labor they
want. If they would leok round the coun
try, they would see the improvements made
bv Chinamen. He would like to know who
had done so much for the country as the
Chinamen? Valleys that were lying in
rushes are now thrifty rice plantations.
Mr. Gibson said he did not see sufficient
reason for raising this question. He begged
to say as regards the ..immigration purposes
the Government purposed to give the pre
ference to Japanese. The costly mission of
Col. Iaukea was for that purpose. He
thought they ought to devote their sole
study to see what can be accomplished in I
fhe way of this Japanese immigration. If I
not practicable then the Government must
turn its attention to some other
immigra- I
tion. He was not willing to assist in chang
ing the Appropriation Bill from the form in
which it now stands.
Mr. Aholo said he was in favor of the re
consideration of the item, so there could be
no doubt as to what the wording of the item
Mr. Bishop stated that it was undesirable
to nut &nr restriction on the Government.
Let those who want Japanese have them and
ic iro Pnrtnrmese have them.
The Attorney-General said he resented
the idea expressed by the Hon. Member
for Hilo for saying that any member that
votes for this item is voting for a job. The
Islands want cheap labor. Ke would not
planter's interest in thee Islands, and it is
the duty of the Goternment to help them,
and while they were playing at politics it is
a question that has to be treated in a dif
ferent way. In reply to Mr. Isenberg, he
stated that he had a petition signed by 54
planters asking for Chinese. , When the
first step was taken there was hardly a dis
interested voice but what vtcd for $50,000
for Japanese immigration. It is one thing
to vote money and another thing to pay it.
(Mr. Bishop That's true.) What would
they do if the bonds were not taken? JIe
considered it a concealed slap at the Minis
ter of the Interior and the Board of Immi
gration to pass th item as iu the bill. He
ad often bien indiscreet, I but was always
candid. When such language came from the
Hon. ' Members lor llilo and Wailuku he
would not vote to rub it out. But h
wanted to let them know that he did not
vote to put up a job.
Mr. Howell moved to iurert after tho
words "if impracticable" "then such other
immigration as may bo practicable."
The following was the vote on this amend
ment; Ayes Gibson, Gnliek, Bishop, Dominis,
Cleghorn, Isenberg, Dowsett, Mott Smith,
Judd, Walker, Amara, C. Brown, Aholo,
Kalua, liichardson, Kanealu. W. O Smith,
Kamakele, Gardner, Hitchcock, Kauwila,
Kauhane, Nahinu, Pilipo, G. Brown, Kauna
mano, Dole, Howell, Palohau,, Kupihea.
Noes Bush, Kaae, Kanoa, Macfarlane
Kaulukou, Keau, Lilikalani, Baker, Kaulia,
Ayes, 30; noeu, 10. .,.-
Mr. Dole, from tho Judiciary Committee,
reported on the matter of painting the Ha
waiian Hotel, They considered the painting
of the exterior of the hotel came within the
province ofthe lessee, and they therefore
recommend that the resolution be indefi
nitely postponed. x '
Mr. Smith moved the report of the Com
mittee be adopted.
Mr. Kaunamano moved to indefinitely
Mr. Kaae moved'to lay on the table. Car
ried. Mr. Cleghorn, speaking on the item to aid
the Royal Hawaiian Society, said that there
was a debt of $1,500, and it would cost $1,500
to extend the stables.
Mr. Eaulmkou moved to strike the item
Item passed as in tho bill, $1,000.
Mr. Nakaleka moved to strike out the
item of aid to nurseries.
Mr. Kaulukou moved to pass it at $5,000.
Passed at $12,000. ,
Mr. Kaulukou moved to insert $22,000
subsidy to City of Paris S. S. line, provided
they are put under Hawaiian flag.
Mr. Hitchcock ..asked where, in the name
of all that was good, was the end of this ap
propriating money ?
Mr. W. O. Smith protested ? gainst .the
Hon. G. W. Macfarlane voting, as also did
the Hon. Dr. J. Mott Smith.
Mr. Macfarlane said that . he had not a
dollar f stock in this matter.
The vote was taken and resulted in a tie.
The President voted with the Noes.
A question of doubt was raised, and tbe
Ayes and Noes were taken as follows:
Ayes Kaae, Kanoa, Kaulukou, Keau, Lili
kalani, Baker, Amara, Kaulia, Ahelo, Kama
kele, Gardner, Nahinu, Kaunaiaarjo, Palo-
hau, Kupihea, Nakaleka. .
Noes Gibson, Gulick, Neumann, Bishop,
Dominis, Cleghorn, Isenberg, Mott Smith,
Judd, C. Brown, Richardson, Kancalii, W.
O. Smith, Hitchcock, Kauwila, Kauhane,
Pilipo, G. Brown, Dole, Howell. '
Ayes, 16; noes, 21.
Mr. moved to take up the bill relating to
pilotage dues. Lost.
Mr. Aholo moved to re-consider the item
of support of prisoners. Carried.
The Minister of the Interior moved to in
sert $87,000 for support ef prisoners and
guards fer the prison. He stated they had
previous experience that the system of ap
pointing soldiery, to the guard of the prison
was found to work inadeqately.
Motion to insert the item lost.
At 5 p. m. the nouse took a recess until
7 P. M.
Fkidat, August 23, 1884.
The House met at ' p. m.
Goy pominjg stated that he had waited
on Hia Maiestv and conveved the resolution
of the Assembly concerning prorogation.
His Majesty informed him (Gov. D.) that
ve WOuld be pleased to prorogue the Assem-
bly at noon on Saturday the 30th inst.
The Minister of the Interior said that the
sum of $500 for elections had been passed
during the afternoon, and he had inadver
tantly not noticed it, He pointed out that
according to the new law, the expenses of
elections would be considerably increased.
He therefore moved to re-consider the item,
and that it pass at $1,000.
The Minister, not having voted on the
question, he was ruiea out oi oraer.
Mr. Richardson moved the re-considera
tion of the item. Carried.
Mr. Gulick moved it pass at $1,000.
Mr. W. O. Smith opposed the item, as the
matter had been very fully discussed on the
second reading. At the last election, fees
had been paid to the tax collector for
making out the ofhcial voting list, which
was nothing more than part of hia official
duties. The expenses at Wailuku did not
exceed $10 or $15. It seemed a small thing
to talk about, but it shewed a spirit of lav
ishness. Mr. Gulick said he would not attempt to
reply in detail to what had been said, bnt
it weuld appear that it was a personal mat
ter. It is fortunate that they have a re
quirement of this kind, showing they have
more voters and more accommodations to
be provided for at the elections.
Mr. Godfrey Brown said that the Minis
ters thought the expenses at tbe other poll
ing places were in proportion to Honolulu.
lie innintuinfd that the number of voters
were dt-crt--Hin throughout the Kingdom
and eveu if they did increase, it would not
increase the expense.
In answer to Mr. W. O. Smith, Minister
Gulick said ho could not give the exact ex
penses, not having the figures before him.
Tho Attorney-General said knowledge is
conveyed through the press, and lit tie as he
liked newspapers, let the money be spent,
as every voter has a right to be informed of
what is going on, and it is the duty of the
Government to furnish him with that in
formation at any expense, and that can only
be done through tho press. Noticing his
friend, the Hon. Member for Lihue, about
to rise, the A1;torney-Gneral said he was.
not alluding to him as a proprietor. One
thousand dollars is little enough for the in
formation conveyed by the newspapers in
the matters of elections and other business
f public importance. The Government
ought to be allowed to spend $500 or $l,00O
as long as it is for a good object. Better to
allow the Government to spend tho money
than that tho money should be spent by any
private party or cliques.
Motion carried, and item inserted. -
Mr. W. O. Smith moved to re-consider
the vote on the report of the committee on
the inspection of boilers afloat and ashore
Mr. W. O. F mi th. moved it be made the
order for Satui day.
The Attorney-General said there was;
something enticing in saving life, but there
wasHomething more enticing, it is a month
ly salary. He gave h's reasons for present
ing the hill, and also his reasons for oppos
ing it. He had suddenly become impressed
with a notion of retrenchment. He bad
been wicked in the past, but proposed to be.
good whilst lie staid amongst them He
was partly compelled to this course for the
sake of the lawyers in the House. Let the
steamboat owners be responsible for explo
sions, and let the lawyers reap the benefit.
He thought they had better defeat this bill
for fear of losing their reputation. He felt for
the planters and also fer those who carry
natives from island to island. Let theta
defeat the bill, and leave the safety of the
people to Providence. ...
Mr. Kaulukou moved it be made the order
of the day for Monday. Carried.
Mr. Cecil Brows moved the item of $18
OOO'for Palace Stables be stricken out.
Mr. Howell moved it be reduced to $S0OQ.
The ayes and noes were taken on the- mo
tion to strike out.
Ayes Baker, Cecil 'rown, Kalua, Kanea-
f lii, W. O. Smith, Gardner, Hitchcock, dm-
wila, Pilipo, Godfrey Brown, Dote, Palo
hau. Total, 12.
Noes Gibson, Galick, Neumann, Bishop, .
Dominis, Cleghorn, Isenberg, Dowsett,
Bush, Mott Smith, Judd, Kaae, Kanesv
Walker, Macfarlane, Kaulukou, Keau, 3J1U
kalaai, Amara, Kaulia, Aholo, Richardson,
Kamakele, Kamhane, Nahinu, Kaonaxaano,
Howell, Kupihea, Nakaleka. Total. t?
Mr. Isenberg moved to pass the it eta at
$10,000. Lost.
Item passed as in the bill at $18,000. -
Mr. Judd moved to re-consider tho itsta
of $2,500 for painting historical pictures,
and purchasing a portrait of Queen Kapk
lani. Lost: - '
Mr. Cecil Brown moved that all the itnsta
under the head of the Interior Departceent
pass as a whole. Carried.
Mr. W. O. Smith moved a re-consideration
of the item. Motion lost.
Mr. Isenberg moved to take up the Pilot
Bill. Motion lost. .
Mr. W. O. Smith moved to strike out the
item of salary for Auditor-General. Motion
Mr. Kalua moved the salary ef Deputy
Collector-General be raised from $5,000- to
$6,000. Carried.
Mr. Godfrey Brown moved to raise the
salary of Collector at Mahukons, from $300'
to $2,000.
Mr. Dole moved it pass at $1,200.
Passed at $2,000.
Mr. Godfrey Brown moved to reduce the
salary of Keeper of Steamer Warehouse from
$1,200 to SGOO. Carried.
The Attorney-General moved to raise the
salary of Keeper of Kerosene Warehouse
from SGOO to $1,200.
Mr. Howell moved it pass at $900.
Passed at $1,200.
Mr. Godfrey Brown moved to raise salary
of guard at Mahukona to $1,200. Carried.
The Attorney-General moved to re-consider
the item of salary of steamer warehouse
keeper, and that it paas at $1,200. Carried.
Mr. mtchcock moved to increase salary of
guard at Hilo to $1,800. Carried.
' Mr. Bishop moved to raise the item of In
cidentals to Custom House to $5,000.

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