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THE METHODIST LAYMEN . PREPARING TO BE REPRESENTED IN THE COMING CONVENTION. Bankrupt Ambia Bank Wan Looted l>y Cu*hier Mcronmcll—Wind Dam ed Indiana Corn. . ■ Srecial to the Indianapolis Journal. SPENCER, Ind.. Sept. 1.--Great interest is manifested here among Methodists in re gard to the great convention of laymen to be held at Indianapolis on the loth of Sep tember. This coming mass meeting of Methodist laymen of Indiana to organize a movement to secure equal representation with the ministers in the Ger.'eral Confer ence will have a strong representation from this city. In order to secure an at tendance from this place, the following per sons have been appointed to represent the charge. By the official board: David E. Beem, C. F. Allison, Luther Meliek, Jacob Coble, J. H. Murphy, Rankin McClaren. The Sunday school selects the following: William Criss, Thomas McHaley, Agnes Pochin, Grace Dunn. The Enworth League will bv represented by A. W. Howard. Min nie James, Clayton Allison, Jessie Mead, Estil Johnson. White River l'. B. Conference. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. KOKOMO, Ind., Sept. I.—The fifty-second annual session of the White River Confer ence of the L T nlted Brethren Church now in progress here is the largest in the history of the conference, with about five hundred ministers and leading religious workers in attendance. The sessions are presided over by Bishop Weaver, of Dayton, 0., the senior bishop of the church. The sessions are devoted almost exclusively to business and the reports are replete with interest. This conference is the "liberal” branch of the church, composed of two presiding elder districts, tho Indianapolis district, in charge of Presiding Elder J. T. Roberts, of In dianapolis, and the Marion district, presided over by Elder Alonzo Myer, of Anderson. The "conservative” branch had its annual conference a short time ago at Bluffton. The reports reveal some signliicant figures. When the church "split” at the General Conference in 1889 both branches had nearly the same strength numerically, whereas now the "conservatives” number but 25,000, and the "liberals” 205,000. The former op poses secret societies and draws the line strictly on amusements. The "liberals,” having a discipline less severely strict, have attracted a rapidly growing membership. A. M. E. Conference. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. TERRE HAUTE, Ind., Sept. I.—Bishop Arnett is presiding at the fifty-eighth an nual session of the Indiana Conference of the A. M. E. Church, which began to-day with a large attendance and will continue until Monday. Rev. E. T. Wilson, of Marion, was elected secretary. Dr. Hender son, of Philadelphia, general manager of the A. M. E. Book Concern, delivered an address. Committees were announced and this evening there was a public reception, when addresses of welcome were delivered by Mayor Ross, Dr. Torrence of the Cen tral Presbyterian Church and Simon Dan iels. Responses were made by Bishop Ar nett, Dr. Henderson and others. BLEW DOW N THE "MIDWAY.” Storm Pluyed Havoc with Tent* on Bash County Fair Grounds. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. RUSHVILLE. Ind., Sept. I.—A wind and rainstorm caused a stampede at the Rush county fair this afternoon. The grand stand was fairly well filled when a terrific wind struck the ground and raised all the dust in the county, which was blown in on the crowd. A heavy shower followed, which caught manv hundreds of the visi tors. The wind and rain ripped up the mer ry-go-round, laid low the tent with the wild man and played havoc with many stands. The damage is not great, although It spoiled the day’s fair. Storm Broke I'p a Pienlc. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. BLUFFTON. Ind., Sept. I.—A basket pic ric and reunion of ail the soldiers of Wells county was held this afternoon in Camp Peter Studabaker, a beautiful grove along the Wabash, named in memory of Captain Studabaker, one of the gallant soldiers of this State. Fully three thousand people were present, among the number being six hundred veterans. All passed off serenely until 2 o’clock. Just as the speakers were In the midst of their speeches a heavy downpour etYectually broke up the gather ing. Soldiers were present from lowa, Ne braska, Wisconsin and Minnesota. The vet erans of the county will hold a similar re union next year. Great Damage to Corn. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. LEBANON, Ind., Sept. I.—A severe wind and hailstorm passed over th’e north ern part of the county this afternoon- The* greatest damage done was to the corn crop, which in many fields was almost to tally destroyed by the hail. A barn be longing to Alexander Morris was struck by lightning and burn’ed to the ground. Jesse Reagan, a farmhand, was struck by the lightning and now lies in a precarious con dition. Cora nnl Tree* Down. Bpeclal to the Indianapolis Journal. GREENCASTLE. Ind.. SVpt. I.—The long continued draught in this section was brok en this afternoon by one of the most severe storms that has ever visited Putnam coun ty. The rain was accompanied with a vio lent wind that felled shade trees and lev ered the growing corn northeast of the city. In the city the storm was not so severely felt. Telegraph wires on railroads were blown down west of the city. LOOTED THE AMBIA BANK. Caaliier McConnell Gone with the Fund*. Perhaps $40,000. AMBIA. Ind., Sept. I.—The failure of the Ambia State Bank yesterday was caused by the absconding cashier. Fred McConnell, who left with all the funds Sat urday night. He was not missed until Mon day. About 9 o’clock Saturday night Mc- Connell gave out that he was going to Ox ford to visit relatives. Instead, however, he went to Hoopeston, 111., where he is sup posed to have taken the south-bound train on the Chicago & Eastern Illinois Railway. His wife accompanied him. State Bank Examiner Millikan is now in charge of the books of the bank, and he cannot givo the amount of shortage. Ali of the money is gone from the sale, with the exception of a small amount of silver. No entries have been made in the books for a month, and It will take the examiner several days to post up. Nothing was thought of McCon nell's absence until noon on Monday, when the depositors b*gan to grow uneasy. Miss Blanche Moore, Mr. McConnell's clerk, was visiting friends at Goodland, hut she re turned and opened the safe, being the only ona possessing the combination. No money was found in the vault and telegraph mes sages were sent in every direction to head McConnell off, but without success. Con siderable money was deposited on Saturday last and it is thought that McConnell has had his flight in contemplation for a month, us his books have not been posted for that length of time. About $40,000 is thought to be missing. Junior Oriler U. A. M. Officer*. Bl*eiai to the Indianapolis Journal. HARTFORD CITY, Ind., Sept. 1. The Junior Order U. A. M. elected the following state officers to-day: Junior past councilor, George C. Laine, Hartford City; councilor, Amos L. Gray, Jonesboro; vice councilor, O. I*. Martin, of Green Postofllce;. treasurer, C. L. Wood, Albany; instructor, Edward Leoph’y, Marion; conductor, J H. Krohn Monroeville; warden, H. T. Connelly Up land; secretary, C. T. Lockhurd, Albany; as sistant si ervtary, Amos Dubolse, Petroleum. Representatives to National Council, to be hold at Louisville in IS9& Five years. A. L. Gray, Jonesboro; three years, W. J. Cowen, Monroeville, two years, J. W. Pitting* r, Upland; one year, J. H. Michael, Pendleton, The next session will convene the last Tues day in August, 1898, at Jonesboro. The Daughters of America completed their session to-day., The following state officers were elected by the Daughters of America this afternoon: State councilor. Mrs. M. L. Holloway, of Decatur; assistant state councilor, Mrs. Nettle Shirk, of Dun kirk; vice councilor, Mrs. Hattie Person ette, of Muncie; assistant vice councilor M rs. Dora McDonough, of Upland; treas urer, Mrs. L. W. Belton, of Anderson; sec retary, Mrs. M. V’. F. Miller, of Portland. The state council of the U. A. M. decided to continue the premium of $lO for organiz ing subordinate councils. Boswell Not Arrested. To the Editor of the Indianapolis Journal: In your issue of to-day an article appears as a special from Muncie saying that Mur derer Jesse Boswell, employed as a cook for Barnum’s circus, who murdered a Mrs. Bass about six years ago near Bartonia, Randolph county, was arrested by Detec tive Bink Fletcher and other Randolph county officers and quietly taken to Win chester and placed in jail. The facts are that Boswell is not now and never was in the Randolph county jail. Every effort has been made to locate and capture him, but without success. Nothing has been heard from him since the reported arrest and es cape from tho officers at Marion, Ind., five years ago. I have received many com munications from different parts of the country proposing to locate him, which I investigated, and proved to be without foundation. DAVID B. STRAHAN, Sheriff Randolph County. Winchester, Ind., Sept. 1. Hon. Will Cunibuck’* Prediction. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. GREENSBURG, Ind., Sept. I.—The Sixth Indiana Regiment hold its annual reunion at this place to-day. They were welcomed to the city by Mayor C. F. Northern and Governor Will Cumback in appropriate ad dresses, which were responded to by Capt. J. W. Allen, of Hartsville. Mr. Cumback referred to the fact that since the rebellion two great countries had become republics, France and Brazil, and predicted before an other thirty years that Russia find other large monarchies in Europe would be re publics. Capt. B. M. Hutchins, of Colum bus, delivered the regimental address. Offi cers for next year are: President, Ed Me- Devitt, of Indianapolis; vice president, Dr. J. P. Burroughs, of Westport; secretary, J. F. Huffman, of Beevusvllle; treasurer, John B. Anderson, of Elizabethtown. Old Pinto Spring Stopped. Srtecial to the Indianapolis Journal. FRENCH LICK, Ind., Sept. I.—For the past week there has been much excitement at French Lick Springs and vicinity over the failure of the Pluto spring to discharge its usual flow of water. On examining- the casing in the Pluto basin it was found to have sprung a leak, which carried the cur rent away in a different direction. The noted Pluto spring is now discharging its large and usual volume. The two hundred guests at the Springs Hotel who have been waiting for Pluto’s return are now again enjoying tho famous mineral water. Marion Frnlt-Jnr Works Start. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. MARION, Ind., Sept. I.—The Marion fruit jar works resumed to-day after the annual shut-down of several weeks. Connected with this industry is the stamping works, in which a large number of additional em ployes will go to work, making in the two establishments four hundred. The firm has a large number of orders on hands which will require several weeks to fill, and the prospects for the coming year are flatter ing. ______ Typhoid In Orphan*’ Home. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. RUSHVILLE, Ind., Sept. I—Typhoid fever has broken out in the orphans’ home north of town, which is a county institu tion. A number of children are ill and five dangerously. A meeting of the Board of Health was called and the County Commis sioners ordered to rebuild the vaults of the outhouses at the homo at once. A tempo rary hospital has been provided for the vic tims, and every effort is being made to stamp out the fever. Fifty Cent* to See the Ghost. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. JEFFERSONVILLE, Ind.. Sept. I.—The Spiritualists who rented the haunt'ed house on East Maple street, arq holding services regularly, and the attendance is quite large. Fifty cents admission is charged. Last night th’e manifestation by the spirits were numerous and exciting. After the medium had formed the mystic circle, several spirit notes from departed souls were produced. Mali Sack* Found In the AVood*. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. WARSAW, Ind., Sept. I.—Some section men this morning discovered several mail sacks hidden in the grass along the Penn sylvania Railroad between this city and Eagle Lake station. The sacks were brought to this city and turned over to the postoffice authorities, who found them to contain first-class mail matter. Govern ment detectives will investigate. Bunk. Cashier Reeve* Retire*. Special to tiip Indianapolis Journal. RICHMOND, Ind., Sept. I.—J. Frank Reeves, for the past twenty-five years cashier of the First National Bank, to-day retired from the position and was succeeded by John J. Harrington. This is the second change in the bank within a short time, C. W. Ferguson having been succeeded, by J. F. Elder as first vice president. Snictde of an Epileptic. Special to the Indianapolis Journal. YORKTOWN, Ind., Sept. I.—This morn ing Ed Donovan, ag’ed tw’enty-three, who had been subject to epilepsy from infancy, shot himself in the bowels with an old shotgun, into which he had slipped a shell unknown to his parents, witn whom he lived. He had threatened to kill the whole family the night before. Death resulted soon after. Indiana Obituary. RICHMOND, Ind., Sept. I.—Mrs. Mary Bradway, aged seventy-four, died last night. She had been a resident of this city for many years. ROCKVILLE, Ind., Sept. I.—Mr. Garret L. Tenbrook, aged about seventy years, died this morning. He had long been a resident of Parke county. He left three grown children, Mrs. W. J. Boyd, Miss Net tie Tenbrook and William Tenbrook. JEFFERSONVILLE, Ind., Sept. 1.-Mrs. Oilie Barthel West, aged nineteen, died to day of typhoid fever, at the home of her parents, Mr. and Mrs. William Barthel, of Charleston. Two years ago Mrs. West was married to Dr. W. H. West, but was forced to leave him in St. Louis on account of his treatment of her. YORKTOWN. Ind., Sept. I.—This morn ing, at the home of her son, Matthew Walker. Mrs. Mary Walker, aged eighty six, died. She was born in Ireland, and came to this country years ago. She was also the mother of John Walker, Mrs. John Burks and Mrs. Levi Watson, of Delaware county. FORT WAYNE, Ind., Sept. I.—George F. Howard, traveling auditor for the National Express Company, died last night at his tesidence in this city. His death was caused by typhoid malaria. He leaves a widow and one child. He commenced his express service with the American Company on the Big Four, as route agent betw’eeri Co lumbus and Cleveland, and in June, 1891, was appointed agent at Cleveland for the National and remained with that company until his death. Indiana Note*. The Montpelier Driving Park Association will give a three days' running meeting Sept. 22. 23 and 24. Mrs. Ellen Easton’s brick residence at Salem was destroyed by fire yesterday morning. Loss, $1,200, with insurance $1,0(0. The barn and carriage houses in the rear of the Hartzeli Hotel, at Montpelier, were destroyed by fire yesterday. Loss, $1,200; no insurance. J. C. Adams, of Indianapolis, has entered into an agreement with Martinsville to erect a pressed brick plant there with 40.0U0 capacity. The factory is to be in operation in ninety days. The Batholomew’ county* Board of Educa tion met yesterday at Columbus and de cided that slates must not be used any more, tablets being substituted in the schools. This move is taken as a sanitary measure. The fifteenth annual reunion of the Sev enth Indiana Cavalry Association will be held at Middletown on Wednesday and Thursday, Oct. 6 and 7. Ed L. Anderson, of Union City, is president and Joseph Young, of Middletown, secretary. The injunction suit of the Baltimore & Ohio South western against Seymour to pre vent the latter from putting down brick streets along the property of the railway company was settled by agretment Tues day without trial and the work of putting in the streets will begin in a few days. The biggest real estate deal in many years at Madison was made yesterday in the transfer of the old Craig corner, ninety three feet frontage on Main and Jefferson streets, from Thomas Graham to Nicholas Horuff, who will add to his already large wholesale dry goods house. The price was $14,50). Hl* Dependence. Kansas City Journal. The Christian people of Kansas are very much shocked at the levity of Mike Sutton, the new revenue collector. When his ap pointment was trembling in the balance a friend wrote to him advising him to put his trust in the Lord, and he responded as fol lows: "I note that you think the Lord will take care of me all right. 1 hope He will. But lam now largely depending on Sena tor Baker#- 1 THE INDIANAPOLIS JOURNAL, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 1897. CONGRESS OF FARMERS PARTIAL REPORT MADE BY THE COMMITTEE ON RESOLUTIONS. Ex-Governor Hoard, of Wl*eon*in, Elected President—Wide Range of Subject* Covered by the Speaker*. ♦ ST. PAUL, Minn., Sept. I.—The farmers’ national congress this morning postponed the election of officers to hear a paper by E. W. Randall, secretary of the Minnesota Agricultural Society, on the causes of fail ure and success in state fairs. Among other things he counted state management and ownership of grounds as essential to also impartial award of premiums and prompt payment of same; a compre hensive line of exhibits, strong amuse ments, exclusion of all gambling and gener ous local support. , Dr. A. M. Soteldo, of Venezuela, con gratulated the farmers upon tne return of prosperity and the increased European de mand for wheat, corn and cotton. He said Venezuela felt the warmest feeling for this country, and then he sketched briefly but eloquently the products and possibilities of his own country. When Dr. Soteldo re ferred to what he termed the attempt of Great Britain to absorb Venezuela he brought forth an enthusiastic burst of ap plause by saying that tne people of this country thoroughly appreciated and would always remember the attitude of the United States in torbiading interference by foreign nations with the governments of this hemis phere. He highly complimented the work of the bureau of American republics. The speaker has a favorite project for the es tablishment of a colony of American farm ers in Venezuela, and said he hoped soon to see the success of this plan. Then with closer communication between the two governments their iriendly relations would be cemented forever. Senor Romero, Mexican minister to the United States, spoke briefly, expressing briefly that miners in Mexico would do bet ter as farmers, and that he thought Ameri can farmers would do well to turn their attention that way. The election of officers followed. Ex- Go vernor W. B. Hoard, of Wisconsin, was chosen president by a vote of 176 to 60 for B. F. Clayton, the present incumbent, and Sa for Secretary Stahl. John M. Stahl was re-elected secretary and N. G. Spalding, of New r York, was made treasurer by ac clamation. Among the state vice presidents is George R. Motz, of Indiana. T. J. Ap pleyard, of Sanford, Fla., and G. A. Stock w eil, of Providence, R. I , were unanimous ly re-elected first and third assistant secre taries and Alex. Dunlap, of Manistee, Mich., second assistant secretary to suc ceed D. O. Lively, of Fort Worth, Tex. At the afternoon session numerous papers were read. Among the number were “Farming from a Business Standpoint,” by James J. Hill, president of the Great North ern Railroad, St. Paul; “National and State Taxation,” by U. G. Spalding, New York; “Necessity of Protection from Food Adulteration,” Mrs. Emma Sickels, Chi cago, and “The Benefits of the Agricultural Press to the Farmers,” by T. T. Orr, of Pittsburg. Henry Wallace, editor of the lowa Farmer, added a few remarks supple mental to the latter paper. By an overwhelming vote the decision to meet next year at Fort Worth, Tex., was reconsidered, and the matter will be finally ’settled to-morrow morning, when it is ex pected that Omaha will be chosen. The committee on resolutions made a. par tial report, favoring, among other things: The establishment of postal savings banks; national appropriation to aid in exterminat ing gypsy moths; a further extension of the homestead law’; extension of free mail de livery in country districts: a law’ to prevent food adulteration; teaching of elementary principles of agriculture in the public schools; election of United States-senators by vote of the people; restriction of unde sirable immigration; the immediate con struction of the Nicaragua canal; the im provement of the Mississippi river and re clamation of bottom lands by the national government. A committee of three was appointed to confer with the Joint Traffic Association managers relative to rates and transporta tion on fruits and vegetables, the committee to report at the next annual meeting. The evening session was very brief. Papers read w-ere: "The Government Seed Shop.” by J. E. Northrup. .Minneapolis, and "Beet Sugar in the United States,” by A. S. Goetz. New’ Mexico. T,he latter w-as read by the secretary owing to the absence of the author. The convention then adjourned and spent the remainder of the evening as the guests of the Commercial Club. An important change in the constitution is contemplated and will be brought before the congress for action at its session to morrow. It is proposed to broaden the scope of membership by admitting delegates from kindred societies, such as the wool grow-ers, cattle breeders, etc. The sessions of the congress conclude to-morrow. TEMPERANCE REFORM. It In Not Promoted by Wild and In tern pern te Invective. Baptist Outlook (Indianapolis.) The cause of temperance is not promoted by intemperate speeches, and it is a pity to throw away a magnificent opportunity, such as John G. Wooley had the other Sunday afternoon to make some r'eal con tributions to one of the most important, if not the most important, subject before the American people to-day by hurling invec tives against the liquor men (which any on’e can do) and by arraigning with sever ity tne voting portion of the membership of the churches. As to the invectives, we agree that the saloon keepers and their backers, the brewers, deserve them all. but they manage nevertheless very well to sur vive them—a fact which itself makes them of no value in the judgment of those friends of temperance whose earnestness of feeling is equaled by their thoughtful study of the conditions of the problem as they exist. Wild denunciations, extravagant rhetoric, and cynical criticism of Christian men in their political action, who are not only well-meaning but conscientious in the discharge of their civic obligations so far as they understand them, are but wind and weariness to all who are waiting to have set before them what is the practical thing to be done next. And there are plenty of men who are thus waiting, and who are waiting eagerly—men who are too much in earnest in regard to this great matter not t 0 be pat out of patience with the substitution of an ha rangue for an enlightening discussion cf the problem as it stands. Our conviction is that no great and wor thy cause is so wounded in the house of its friends as is the cause of temperance. We expect it to be smitten of its enemies but that can be endured and even welcomed. We are not surprised nor worried -very much—at the attitude of .so large a portion of the daily press which is too readv, as a rule, to make moral questions wait cn the exigencies of party politics. The misfor tune of the temperance reform is that it has been for several year ' apparently giver, over into th'e hands of theorists who in their public speeches have represented tair ly well the strong feeling of temperance people but have contributed scarcely any thing of practical value towards helping carry it a step nearer to success. In this as in all other reforms progress is condi tioned upon a patient investigation and study of the problem in all its present rela tions and the adoption of such measures as are suggested by the knowledge thus obtained. Our single point is that too often the temperance orator of to-day. the man who obtains the ear of those enemies of the liquor traffic whom he has not already disgusted, is unfortunately not the man who has carefully thought the problem through and who in his denunciation of the liquor traffic and almost as bitter criticism of the church leads not a step farther forward in the direction of its solution. As already stated, the importance of the problem cannot be exaggerated, but we yet await th’e great leader whom all temper ance people will recognize and follow. Os small men and would-be leaders there are more than enough—as there always are. But for the Peal leader we yet must pray. May the Bord give him to us speedily. In the meanwhile we are thankful for such men as Mr. Nicholson, who by means of the law which bears his name, has made it possible to get our present restrictive legislation obeyed, if we really care to have it obeyed, and who thereby has rendered more effective service in behalf of temper ance in this State than all the mere ha rangues on the subject which have been delivered in the past fen years. Quite fre quently the newspapers find opportunity to make political capital out of the intemper ate utterances of temperance m*en. I’oUon in Bouelewi Ham. FORT SMITH. Ark., Sept. I.—At Van Bu ren yesterday George Miller and family were poisoned by eating boneless ham. Those affected are George Miller, two sons of Louis Speakers, two of George Holly's children and a colored servant. Miller ana Holly’s eldest daughter are in a critical condition, but the doctors think the others are out of danger. “Good-Bye, President Melilnley." CLEVELAND, Sept. I.—The President's party left tor Fremont to-day on a special triin of six curs, which lefi the Union de pot at 1:45 p. in. About forty Cleveland people, friends of the Hayes family, occu- pi’ed four of the cars. The train halted at Detroit street, near Glenmore, the summer home of Senator Hanna, and the President and his w-ife, Secretnrv and Mrs. Alger and Senator and Mrs. Hanna boardv-d the special car of the late President Caidw-ell, of the Lake Shore Railroad. About one hundred little children, inmates of the In dustrial Home of the Children's Aid Socie ty, which is near by, stood near the rail road crossing, and as the President and his party embarked, shouted in unison: "Good bye, President McKinley. NATIONAL W. C. T. U. Official Call for the Convention, Which Is to Meet Oct. 29 to Nov. 3. BUFFALO, Sept. I.—Frances E. Willard, president, and Catharine L. Stevenson, cor responding secretary of the National Woman’s Christian Temperance Union, have issued a call for the twenty-fourth annual convention of the organization to be held in Music Hall, Buffalo, N. Y., Oct. 29 to Nov. 3. It will immediately follow the fourth biennial convention of the World's W. C. T. U„ Oct. 23 to 26—which, in its turn will follow the annual convention of the W. C. T. U. of the Dominion of Canada; the last two to be held in the city of Toronto, Ontario. The basis of representa tion in the national union continues the same as in previous years, namely, one delegate at large for each auxiliary state and territorial union, and one additional delegate for each five hundred of the ac tive, paid-up membership. The general of ficers of the national union, the four gen eral officers of each state and territory, the boards of national superintendents, or ganizers and evangelists, the general secre taries of the Y. and L. T. L. branches, the chairmen of standing committees, the rep resentatives of affiliated interests, the ed itors and publisher of the official organ and the editors of all State W. C. T. U. papers are ex officio members of the convention. In addition to the many women thus hold ing official relationship there will be a large number of visiting white-ribboners, as well as visiting and fraternal delegates from kindred organizations. Many of the distinguished guests at the world's conven tion will remain over to the national. Tne annual sermon on Oct. 31 will be preached by Lady Henry Somerset. SUICIDE IDENTIFIED. "Blanche Wilson’*’’ Real Name Wa Anna Mary Lseman, CHICAGO, Sept. I.—lt was learned to day that the young woman who committed suicide at the Victoria Hotel yesterday, after registering as "Blanche Wilson," lived for five months at No. 2014 Dearborn street, where she was known as Blanche Herbert. LOUISVILLE, Sept. I.—The identity of the girl who committed suicide in the Vic toria Hotel at Chicago has been established. She appears to have had several aliases in Chicago, but her right name is Anna Mary Esseman. Her parents are respectable Ger man people of this city. While in Louis ville she bore a good reputation. About a year ago she was engaged to marry Charles Turner, who w r as an infidel. Her parents, being Catholics, would not permit the mar riage and she left her home. Little is know’n of her movements since then. Her grandfather, Mr. Stephen Diehlman. has gone to Chicago to bring home the remains. TELEGRAPHIC BREVITIES. The Northwestern Miller gives the out put of flour at Minneapolis. Duluth-Supe rior and Milwaukee last week at 421,495 bar rels. Controller of the Currency James H. Eck els is at Helena, Mont., en route to the Yel lowstone National Park, where he will spend ten days. He then goes on a hunt ing trip into the mountains of Colorado. Articles have been signed by Solly Smith and George Dixon calling for a twenty round "go” on Oct. 4 at Woodward’s Pavil ion, San Francisco. The amount of the purse is $5,000, of which SI,OOO goes to the loser. Dr. Frederick A. Cook, of arctic fame, wili sail from Brooklyn Saturday morning on the steamer Haveline for Rio Janeiro. There he will join the Belgian antarctic ex pedition when it reaches that port about Oct. 1. The Postal Telegraph Cable Company’s new route to South America is now oj>en with a reduction in rates of 25 per cent. This service extends to Uruguay and Para guay. Argentine Republic and Brazil via Hayti and Para The contract for the superstructure oi the new Minnesota Stateliouse has been awarded to the Butler-Ryan Company, or St. Paul, for $696,000. St. Cloud granite W’lll be used for the basement and Georgia mar ble for the rest of the superstructure, ex cepting the dome. The roundhouse of the Kansas City, Fort Scott & Memphis road at Springfield, Mo., was destroyed by fire yesterday and sev eral locomotives were damaged. Loss esti mated at $55,000; insurance not known. The fire started from the explosion of a gaso line boiler in the shops. David Weeks, one of the two men w’anted for the murder of George Marcus Nicholas, which occurred on the Daniels farm at Trumbull. Fairfield county. Conn., on July 20, has been arrested at Clearfield. Pa. He gave his name as James Dougherty. A re ward of $4,500 was offered for the arrest of the murderer. There is to be a marked advance in the price of pine lumber as a result of the ad vance in agricultural products. The list committee of the Mississippi Valley Lum bermen's Association met yesterday to agree on an advance to take eft'eot next week. A second advance will be made a month later. Movement* of Steamers. NEW YORK, Sept. I.—Arrived: Aurania, from Liverpool; Cambrian, from London; Patria. from Hamburg; Amsterdam, from Rotterdam; La Campania, from Antwerp. Sailed; St. Louis, for Southampton: Noord land, for Antwerp; Majestic, for Liverpool. LIVERPOOL. Sept. I.—Arrived: Pavonia, from Boston; Waesland, from Philadelphia. Sailed: Belgenland. for Philadelphia; Teu tonic, for New York. SOUTHAMPTON, Sept. I.—Arrived: St. Pe.ul, from New York. Sailed: Mirave, for New York. QUEENSTOWN, Sept. L—Arrived: Ser vla, from New York, for Liverpool. PHILADELPHIA. Sept. I.—Arrived: In diana, from Liverpool. BALTIMORE. Sept. I.—Arrived: Mun chen, from Bremen. ROTTERDAM, Sept. I.—Sailed: Obdam, for New York. Beneficiary Association In Trouble. BOSTON, Sept. I.—The insurance commis sioner of Massachusetts has made a per emptory demand on the officers of the Bay State Beneficiary Association to replace the sum of $25,962 alleged to hav,e been wrong fully transferred to tho mortuary fund. This? sum, the examiners stated in their re port, should he immediately restored, and the commissioner proposes to find out whether or not this lias been done. ALBANY. N. Y., Sept. I.—The State in surance apartment has refused a license to the. Bay State Beneficiary Association, of Westfield, Mass., w’hich has 634 policy hold ers in this State. The king of Apple*. MASCOUTAH, 111., Sept, r.—Judge Pad field, residing near Summerfield, a half doz en miles north of here, has broken the big-apple record with one just picked in his orchard. It i5 of the Belle Dora variety, weighs twenty-one ounces, and is five and one-half inches in diameter. • O bituury. WILKESBARRE. Pa., Sept. I.—A cable gram received to-day by Rev. Dr. H. T. Jones, from Manheim. Germany, announces the death there of Right Rev. Bishop Hud son. of the diocese of Central Pennsylvania Protestant Episcopal Church after an ill ness of a few hours. Nashville Race Council. NASHVILLE. Sept. I.—The national race council met to-day in this city, Prof. W. H. Council, of Alabama, presiding. Ad dresses were delivered by Prof. Council, J. B. S. Capponi, of Florida, and other prominent negroes. A Fitting Head. Philadelphia North American. "What sort of a head shall I put on this story about the fellow who was tarred and feathered?” asked the reporter. "How w’ill ’He w’as a bird’ do?” suggested the court man. Rather So. Detroit Tribune. We imagine that the scheme to make M. Faure President for life is a little too Clevelandesque to appeal strongly to the mercurial French. A Resemblance. New York Mail and Express. Whenever a Western farmer peeps into a mirror nowadays the first thought that strikes him is that he looks Just like the other plutocrats. REMINISCENCES OF INDIA * A LADY 'WHO SAW MILITARY SERV ICE DURING TWO GREAT WARS. Gen. Havelock and His Giant Wife— Horrors of the Sepoy Mutiny—Massa cres of Women and Children. St. Louis Globe-Democrat. The attention which has been attracted to India during the last few months by the famine, the plague, the riots in Calcutta and Bombay, and now by the war on the frontier, has called forth a flood of remi niscences from different quarters con cerning the ancient peninsula, and those who have lived there are, at present, good company for the public. St. Louis has at least one resident who has seen lively serv ice in India—Mrs. J. Barnett, who, as the wife of a soldier, w'ent through one great Sikh war and saw much of the famous Sepoy mutiny. Mrs. Barnett is the mother of Mr. Charles Seymour, the well-known local musician and teacher, and lives with her son in South St. Louis. She is an Eng lishwoman, and came to this country about four years ago to make her home with her surviving relatives. Mrs. Barnett s first voyage to India was as the wife of a British officer, a draft of men being sent to till up the losses in the white regiments then in the service of the East India Company. The voyage was made round the Cape of Good Hope and required about five months from England to Calcut ta. It was expeditious, however, in compar ison with the overland journey which lay bofore the detachment ere it reached its destination in the northwestern districts, for the march through India by the short est possible route required nine months. Traveling in India was then a serious mat ter. The roads, when they existed, were bad, being mere paths through the jungle or tracks over the sandy desert. In many districts there were not even paths, and under the guidance of the natives the de tachment was compelled to force its way through the jungle, hatchet in hand, cut ting vines and bushes in order to make a path. All the traveling was done at night, between 11 o’clock and daylight, the hoat of the day being too great to permit of exercise, so at about 11 at night camp was struck, the detachment took up its march and marched steadily until sunrise, when a halt was made, tents w r ere pitched and the force rested until 11 the following night. All along the line were natives carrying torches, for in any jungle there might lurk a tiger or panther, and the blazing torches were for the purpose of frightening off these marauders. , In those days transportation of troops was generally by their own foot power, but in emergencies, as during the Sepoy mu tiny, when it was very necessary for regi ments to move as quickly as possible, large numbers of mules, elephants and camels w r ere brought together, and the men were transported without the danger attending active exertion in the daylight hours. Cam els would carry, according to their size, two or four men; chairs made of bamboo were lashed one on each side of the animal, and a soldier took his s’eat in each. An elephant would carry from six to ten men. In emergencies a mule could be made to carry two, but not for long distances. There w’ere then no railroads worth mentioning in India, the first line being opened, from Bombay to a town near by, in 1853, and the lack of transportation, together with the immense distance to be traversed, was the cause of the temporary success of the Sepoy mutineers. HAVELOCK AND HIS WIFE. Mrs. Barnett perfectly remembers Gen eral Havelock, who was a giant in stature, exceeding six fe’et six Inches in height, be ing broad in proportion. His tremendous size, however, did not prevent his possess ing a gentleness of disposition that seemed quire incompatible with his stature and profession. General Havelock was one of the most perfect Christian gentleman who ever lived, and so consistent in his conduct that even the worst scoffer at religion was forced to admit his sincerity. He w r as very fond of children, and in times of peace had small articles in his pockets, comfits and the like, which made him popular among the littl’e ones wherever he went. General Havelock had a deep, organ-toned voice, proportioned to his size and stature, a voice that inspired confidence as well as respect. Mrs. Barnett recollects how, while she loved and trusted him, she never quite overcame a feeling of awe in his presence. Mrs. Bar nett’s moth’er was the lady companion of Lady Havelock, and, as a young girl in the family, Mrs. Barnett had every opportunity to become familiar with the general and liis wife. He was as regular and prompt in his devotions as in his appearance on the parade grounds at the proper times, and only the most urgent duties interfered with his private prayers. H’e was the idol of the troops, w'ho trusted him implicitly, and would go wherever he sent them, even to what seemed certain death. His loss, wdiile th’e Sepoy mutiny was at his height, w r as justly regarded by the Indian govern ment as one of the most serious blows to the cause of the English. Lady Havelock, Mrs. Barnett remembers as the tallest woman she ever saw, being very nearly seven feet in height and of a thinness which made her appear even taller. She was the daughter of an English mis sionary, and married Havelock when he was a captain. She was a woman of very pleasing address, and, although placed at a disadvantage in society by her extreme height, her manners were so affable, her conversation so full of charm that she was to English society in India what her hus band was in the army. She was a soldier’s wife in every sense of the word. When able to do so Lady Havelock accompanied her husband in his campaigns up to the end of his life, and after his death near Lucknow', Nov. 25, 1857, she returned to England. Mrs. Barnett recollects the horrors of the Sikh war, and how women and children were butchered by the Sepoy mutineers. In one case a European woman, the wife of one of the soldiers, w’ith her two children, was captured by the rebels. A native of ficer of the Sepoys seized one of the chil dren by the arm, held it up before her, and repeatedly ran his sword through its body, then treated the other likewise, and inti mated to the mother that such would be her own fate and that of ail other whites in tho country. Not even the Armenian horrors could exceed those of India during the mutiny. The wells of Cawnpore w’ere filled with the bodies of the white women and children, soldiers’ wives and families, who were massacred when the mutiny broke out. After General Havelock retook the place, defeating the Nana Sahib, the bodies were taken out of the wells and buried, and years later, memorial gardens were laid out on the scene of the massacre, and the tomb, with the monument known as the Angel of Cawnpore, was erected over the well where the greatest number of bod ies were found. Very few' white women es caped the massacre, either in Cawnpore or in other points where the mutineers had their way, but in one case four were saved by the intercession of a native officer, who managed to have them imprisoned in a room where the windows and doors w'ere nailed up, and in this prison they remained four days without food or drink, until the English occupation took place, when they were discovered and released. DOMESTIC LIFE. Domestio life in India in the fifties W’as very different from home life in any other country, nor has the styte of living in India materially changed since, save for the in troduction of greater conveniences in trav eling and the immense advantages gained by the artificial manufacture of ice. In In dia all domestic life is regulated by the climate. At sunrise, during the hot season, the thermometer stands at from 95 to 100 degrees, more frequently at the latter than the former; at 9 o’clock it is 110 in the shade; from noon to 3 o’clock it is often 120. and sometimes even exceeds that figure! Exertion in such a temperature is, for a white man, almost an impossibility, and so the white soldiers in India are required to do nothing but strictly military sendee. Every soldier had one or more servants, syces, they wc;*' called, who polished his shoes, brushed his clothing, kept his ac coutrements In order, and, on a march, carried his knapsack, canteen and every thing, in fact, but his cartridge box and fun. The morning drills were i/etween day reak and sunrise, the evening parados at sunset; during most of the day, or from 11 to a o’clock, the barracks and the ma jority of the towns of India were as quiet as the graW, for everybody was asleep. Nearly all .he native servants arc men, women being employed only to care for the children of the w'nites. A large number of attendants must be engaged, however little is to be done, for, on account of the dis tinction of caste, the servants have their particular task, and each will attend to only one kind of work. Thus one man will sw'eep the floors, but will be discharged rather than dust thv furniture, which is the business of anotner; the groom who attends to the horses will not cut the grass for their usv, that is not in the business of his caste; one man will do the cooking, but will not carry dishes nor serv'e at table, that is not his business; one will make the beds, but will not touch the clothing that is to be washed, while the man who does the wmshing and ironing would not, under any circumstances, con sent to act as a dom’estic servant; he is of a different caste. Tho Havelock family, being of consider abl'e importance, was constantly attended by twelve to twenty servants, but such was the cheapness of labor in India at the time of Mrs. Barnett’s residence that $3 per month paid the wages of the whole house hold. The washing for a family of eight or ten persons was done for 4 rupees a month, or about sl. Lady Havelaek kept a dressmaker, or dirjee. In India ail the dressmaking is done by men, who attend to the cutting and fitting, then make the dress entire, with a neatness that is not excelled by the best trained seamstress of other countries. Lady Havelock’s dirjee received 8 annas a day. or about 12 cents; eajne to the house to work, did all his sewing on the porch outside, squatted crosslegged on the floor, refusing to enter, partly because he objected to the heat of the house, and partly through fear of contamination and loss of caste, and furnished his own provi sions, for, as a rule, the natives strongly object and, in most cases, absolutely refuse to eat the food prepared for the whites. SUFFERING FROM HEAT. Owing to the intense heat of the climate life without breeze is almost unendurable, and all the houses of the whites of the better class of natives are provided with fans, swung from the ceiling, a wood’en frame, with long strips of muslin depend ing from it, furnishing the breeze, and a Punkah Wallah, or fan man, squatting on his haunches just outside the door, the mo tor power by a rope passing over a pulley. It is the Punkah Wallah’s business to watch the movement of the inmates, and if they leave one room and go into another he changes his station and keeps up the move ments of th’e fans all uay long for about 5 annas. At night he is relieved by an other Punkah Wallah, who works until daylight. When , the heated season comes on the glass windows frames are removed, peculiar screens, made of the roots of an Indian grass plant, are substituted, and a Pahnee Wallah, or water man. is 'engaged, whose business it is to pass from one win dow to another and dasn water on the screens. The evaporation reduces the tem perature from ten to tw'enty degrees in rooms thus protected, but thfi European who, in temporary straits, endeavors to in due’e the Pahnee Wallah to take the place of the Punkah Wallah is making a grave mistake, for each job is done by men of a particular caste, and under no circum stances will one undertake the work of the oth'er. All sorts or service w'ere then to be had at such low rates that a person of even moderate means could live in India in the neight of luxury. When a European stepped outside his door a native attendant was always in waiting with a huge palm-leaf umbrella, protecting him at every step from the blaze of the sun, and for this light service he received from 1 to 3 annas a day. When ladies traveled in those days they were carried in a chair closely resembling the ordinary arm chair in use among ua, suspended on two poles, borne by four bearers, who went in a trot, an umbrella holder, who galloped alongside, w'hile a fcotman ran ahead to clear the way. In the hills traveling was done in daylight, and at regular intervals in the British terri tory there were established posthousqs, at which stops could be made, the footman running ahead to prepare food for the party by the time it arrived. In one case Mrs. Barnett’s forerunner inadvertently passed a station, and when she arrived there was no one in attendance and no pro vision for her comfort, the footman being miles away at the next station. Provisions in India were then as cheap as domestic service. A chicken cost from , r . to 10 annas, eggs w r ere t 5 annas a dozen, rice an anna a pound, sugar the same and bananas an anna a dozen. There was plen ty of beef and mutton to be had, but cau tion must be exercised, for in that climate meat will not keep more than a few hours, and the flesh of an animal killed in the morning must be cooked and eaten on the same day. Funerals were conducted with what elsew'bere would appear unseemly haste. Bodies are burled or burned gen erally on the same day. or, at most, on the next after death. During the frightful cholera epidemic, which occurred while Mrs. Barnett was in India, such was the sud denness of the attacks that gentlemen and ladies who breakfasted in perfect health w'ere dead before night and buried ere morning. The natives, however, appear to be as healthv as peoole in other countries, and the native soldiers are described by Mrs. Barnett as tall, well-formed men, who compared well with the soldiers of other countries. The great mutiny was attribu table to religious prejudice and the fear that the English were making efforts to break down the caste system. There Is very little danger, this lady thinks, of a recurrence of such an outbreak in the In dian army, and no hope at all that, should it occur, it will succeed, for the European armv in India is now' far stronger, in pro portion to the native, that It was in 1857. and Tndia has now fifteen thousand miles of railroad, a fact which will enable the government to transport its troops to any desired point with a speed unknown at the time of the great insurrection. TO-DAY’S SILVER CONFERENCE It* Object to Give the “King of the Push” a Joh. The indications are that there will be comparatively small attendance upon the conference of the silver forces of the State, called to meet at the Grand Hofei this afternoon. The call was Issued immediate ly after the election in the Fourth district by Allen W. Clark, “king of all the push.” As chairman .of one or two silver commit fees he issued a call for a meeting of the executive and advisory committees of the Silver League and included in the invitation “all friends of silver.” The intention was to have Populists and silver Republicans join in. Th'e meeting was called to further the pet scheme that Clark has entertained ever since the last campaign, of having a silver literary bureau in this city to encourage the formation of local silver leagues throughout th’e State and supply them with literature. Some of the older Demo cratic politicians have been mean enough to intimate that the excellent table set by tite Grand just about suits the “king” and he has been dissatisfied with life at Greensburg ever since his expenses at the hotel were paid during the last campaign as h’ead of the literary bureau of the Dem ocratic state committee. The “silver con ference” held last January decided that such a bureau should be opened here, but when it cam'e to opening it, it was discov ered that it took money to do these things and none of those attending the conference was willing to put up any money. It is said that a proposition will be made this afternoon to assess all th'e men who are thinking about becoming candidates for state oflices, but they have no mind reader capable of finding out who is “thinking.” Gold Democrats’ Manifesto. The gold Democrats, who have started a little sideshow of their own in the Ingalls block, will hold a meeting to-night and issue a manifesto telling the public why they are supporting Taggart. It will not contain any quotations from the authorized interview printed a few days before the convention in which Taggart declared his everlasting fealty to the cause of free sil ver. Mr. Cooper Misquoted, He Says. Councilman Cooper says he was misquoted in the News of Tuesday in regard to his candidacy. He was asked if he would sup port Mr. Puryear, to which he answered that he would do so. This was all the News asked him, he says. The News quoted him as referring to "the niggers.” "I never used such a word,” said Mr. Cooper, "and. in f L ,- there was no mention of color what ever.” MAN AND WHEEL HURLED. An Irvington Young Man Foiled to Heed a Warning Bell. Will Gray, a young man living in Irving ton, started out home on his wheel late yesterday afternoon. The storm had left the National road very muddy and he pro ceeded to ride between the car tracks. An out-bound car sounded a warning bell sev eral times, but the young man did not heed it. Finally the car struck him, ard man and bicycle were hurled about fifteen feet. Neither was damaged. The young man picked up his wheel and continued his ride. Irvington Improvements. The Irvington committee on streets and alleys, consisting of Fred Ritter, Robert Browning and A. M. Arbaugh, was sur prised last night when it met to hear ob jections to improvements it is proposed to make in the suburb. There was not an objection offered. Simeon Frazier was ap pointed inspector of public work. Daniel Leslie. J. E. Hunter and William M. Red man were named as assessors on sewers. The committee will meet next Monday night to receive bids on the improvement of 1 Brosnanl ? * % BROS.’ I | Department Store f <B> <&■ Will be moved from the old * X stand on south Illinois Street % t to 6 and 8 West Washington X Street in a very few days. If X • at any time or place bargains X ; can be found it is now and X X here. Bargains in every de- X X partment and at every coun- X ter. Only three days more to t • get them. The opportunity £ • presents itself. Can you af- X | ford to miss it ? X |W 9 1 •*> I Commencir,gTo=Day! i ___ t I# ® I | Three days' run on Ladies' Z and Children’s Shoes. X <*> * | Three days’ run on House- X furnishings. X X Three days’ run on Silks. •> % Three days’ run on Black and $ X Colored Dress Goods. | Three days’ run on Cloaks X and Lace Curtains. X I-- l f Three days’ run on Hosiery £ and Underwear. X f x % Three days’ run on Men’s X X Furnishings. t <B> •> f Three days’ run on Muslins, % X Table Oilcloths, Wash X Goods, Linens and | 4> Calicoes. • Z Three days’ run on Trimmed X and Untrimmed Hats. X Three days no lady can be X X justified in missing. X <§> I ! Brosnanl ■ X I BROS.’ ! <s> x X Department Store, X X South Illinois and Maryland X X Streets. $ X '*> agK NATIONAL Tube Works f&llpHS Wrought-iron Pipe for Gas, ¥5-:! Steam and Water. Hm,' Vy i-i/vS Holler Tube*. Cast and Malle ffigjffc’ , JjL able Iron Fittings (black and jffSuta galvanized). Valves. Stop KpO' I1 jr TKgQ Cocks. Engine Trimming, ■r Steam Gauges, Pipe Tongs, BKq B "'-I ” Pipe Cutters, Vises, Screw Plates and Dies, Wrenches, HM KISH Steam Traps, Pumps, Kitch '%iia l|?Sl en Sinks. Hose. Belting. Bab flfjfl H'ml hit Metal. Solder, White and U pifcol .Colored Wiping Waste, and all other Supplies used In conneetton with Gas, Steam Bjigl BSCI Bud Water. Natural Gas ■fin IO Supplies a specialty. Steam- Kfl beast g Vppnrtitua for Puts. Uc Bulldiugs, Store-rooms, Mills, Shops. Factories, Latin 'r.f •; dries, Lumber Dry-Houses, • Sf '-! etc. Cut and Thread to or ? ! der any size Wrought- Iron pi Pipe, from y, Inch to 11 ' Inches diameter. H MIGHT fi JILLSOH, W kB B. PENNSYLVANIA ST Washington street, Ritter avenue, Lina street. Oak avenue and Maple avenue. The committee will go to Greencastle Sunday to inspect material, as well as the sewer sys tem there. Bonfire*, Rocket* nml Rice. There was a celebration at Irvington last night as the Panhandle east-bound train stopped at the suburb. The train had Prof. Demarcus C. Brown and bride on board, and as both have been prominently connect ed with the college the collegians turned out. There were bonnrea near the station, rock ets were sent up in the air and fully a tub of rice was hurled at the car windows. September. laist night the scented air of summer brought us sleep Os summer at thft full. The passion flower Flared open on the vine: the blood-red rose Drank the midsummer dew and was not satisfied. The present time was all—earth held no promises Since pleasure's wishes were comuleily filled. With dawn a languor sways the breeze, a soil ness clings , , About the landscape, while the year, with fickle pulse, Weary of bloom, begins to live for fruit. Hope now is born at turning of the tide. And spreads her lure along the gauzy lines Os spiderwebs between the blades of grass. l*.ut nowhere startles us a sudden change; New buds are bursting by toe dropping flowers. And birds, plumed for the South, pipe fresh their songs That rise upon the low sweet summer gale As bubbles through the amber wine ascend. The business of the summer still goes on. Ard yet the fall Is here. The turn has come; Night-hidden messengers have touched the scene; And, in the morning, when we greet, we say ''My love, my dear, the summer days have been.” —Augustus Itadcliffe Grote. Why They Keep Young. San Francisco Reporter. Why do stage people keep young? Be cause they take care of themsvlves. There is a popular impression in the public mind that actors and actresses run to dissipation as a duck goes to water; that after each performance and at odd intervals playvrs eat and drink to excess an<| have a high old time generally. Never was there a greater mistake. The profession pays the penalty of prominence. Being always in the public eye, it is easy for the boisterous few to damage the standing of the quvt many. The really dissipated player of cith er sex soon falls by the wayside and be comes a hasbeen. A few broken engage ments, a few public disappointments, and then poverty, paresis and extinction. There are aettvsses of sixty who do not look an hour over forty-five, and not a few on the shady side of fifty who shine in juvenile parts as though they were not an hour over forty-five, and not a few on the shady side of fifty who shine In juvenile roles. And so with the men. The younger players pay especial care to their physical welfare, because they well know the value of exuberant health. And Still Another. Minneapolis Journal. “I presume,” observed Rivers, “that when the chainless bicycle Is perfected It will h possible for a wheelman to travel in cog.” My, My I New York Mail and Express. There is a short tomato crop this year, yet the growers will probably ketchup with the prosperity procession, if they try.