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vBEN TILLMAN ON DISPENSARIES. The South Carolina "Man of Iron" Talks to the State Journal Correspondent A On the Probable Result of In SAS SUGGESTED BY Believes It 'Would Be Far i" In Kroisas. 'vSenator Tillman Tells How the Jury Beat Him in the St. John Debate But He Won the Audience. rrosn the State Journal's Special Correspontlsnt Washington, Jan. 10. As the recent interview of Gov. Morrill of Kansas, in which he favors the dispensary system for the control of the liquor traffic has brought the various methods of dealing with this question again into promi nence, Senator Benjamin It. Tillman, of ) South Carolina, who might properly be called the father of the dispensary sys tem, was seen at his home by the Journal correspondent and asked to jrive his views upon this system, and the jrobable effect of its inauguration in a prohibition state like Kansas. Senator B. R. TILLMAST, TJ. S. Senator from Couth Carolina. Author of the Dispensary law, wnich places the sale of liquor In South Carolina In the hasds ot the state. His attempts to enforce the provisions of this act recently caused a revolution on a small scale at Darlington and other points, which was quelled by the prompt action of the gov ernor. He Is a populism-democrat, 47 years of age, and said to be an astute politician. In 1834 he loat an eye from abscess produced by inSammation resulting from hard study by lightwood knot fires. Tillman is unhesitating in hi3 belief that the state dispensary method is the best present possible way of dealing with the question, and that it is a vast improvement over prohibition. "Prohibition has proved," he said, "that it is impossible to extirpate the 'evil, and if the people of Kansas desire to redace and minimiza the traffic in stead of having the farce of absolute pro hibition the dispensary system is the way to do it." Before discussing the plan in its ap plication to Kansas, Senator Tillman de sired to recite the history of it in South Carolina in order to show how it might work in another state with all allowances made for the differences of sentiment and conditions. "You probably, know," he said, "that the tight in a Soma Carolina election is at the primaries or conventions. The man who is successful there is sure of election, so there is where the real strug gle comes. In the primaries of 1390 tie tight was between the Reformers or Tillmanites and the old oligarchy which bad been running the state ever since they got control of it after the reconstruc tion time, in 1876. We licked them then end the same fight caaae up again when I stoad for re-election in 1892. But at these same primaries the question of prohibition was to be voted on yes or no in a separate box. While there were 85,000 votes cast for candidates only 50, 000 persons voted on the question of prohibition. This was carried by a ma jority of 20,009 or thereabouts. "This expression was sufficient to cause the house in the legislature which was elected to pass a strict prohibitory law patterned after the Maine and Iowa laws. It was rock ribbed and sweeping. It prohibited the sale of liquors except by state dispensers and men only for pbarmacauiical, mechanical, and medici nal purpoaee. When this bill came to the senate there were only five days of the session left and all the bartenders were there to defeat it. I saw that the house measure with its absolute prohibition would not do and so taking it as a groundwork we fixed it over into what is virtually the present dispensary law. This was passed by the sanate and then by the bouse in the form of a substitute. This action was taken in December 1892. "The law provided for a state dispen sary commissioner who was to buy all liquor for the state and provide for its sale by county dispensaries. There are cow about seventy-five dispensaries in the state." DUp.asartas Look Llka Drag Stor.s. "A dispensary looks verv much like a drag store. It is something like a com bination of a drug store and a bar room. There are shelves all around the walls and a counter across the front end. When man comes in to buy whisky the dia- FRIDAY EVENING. jntrlacing State Dispensaries Ivausas GOVERNOR MOKRILL. Sunerior to tlie rresent bysteni penser says: 'What'll you have?' Then the man says: 'Give ma a half pint of XX corn, or XXX rye, or whatever it is he wants. He pays his money for it and that is all there is to it lie can't drink it on the premises and the bottles are sealed. While I was governor the cheap est whisky was $3 per gallon. " "All the liquors are chemically tested and the idea is to keep all kinds on hand which are not unfitted for sale by adul teration and for which there is a suffi cient demand. "Well, the law was to go into effect the succeeding July, six months bain? given fur those having liquors on hand to dis pose of them. I had a state constabu lary to enforce the law. I began at once to have the dispensaries established so as to beg-in when the law went into effect There was an appropriation of $50,000 to start the thing off. "It may seem an easy task to attend to all these details, bnt I tell you it was the hardest job I ever had on my handi," said Senator Tillman with the air of one who had had hard fights before. "There was opposition at once in the cities where most of the political oppo sition toward me was centered. You see most of my followers were in the outly ing and country districts and the fellows who belonged to the old ring which had been in control were centered in the cities. They didn't believe that any good could come oat of Nazareth and as this was a Tillman measure they went into league with the bartenders and proprietors of blind tigers to obstruct its enforcement They patronized these fellows and aided them. "There was more or less trouble in en forcing the law in the cities, but tue sys tem was kept going from July until De cember, when the legislature met again. "Now politicians, you know, are the most cowardly .people in the world. They are afraid of public sentiment and al ways try to follow just behind it instead of leading it. But this legislature which had enacted the dispensary law with fear and trembling as an experiment in 1802, in 1893 re-enacted it and made it stronger by amendments which the previous five months had suggested. "Then in April, 1894, came the. Dar lington riot and I whipped them and two weeks later the supreme court de clared the law unconstitutional. "I at once ordered the dispensers to close the dispensaries, take an account of stock and guard the goods at a reduced salary. The decision of the supreme court was in regard to the law of 1892, and was so tnuddy and partisan and un reasonable that later, when another case was brought up they made another decis ion saying what parts of the law were unconstitutional virtually an explana tion of their explanation. The whole de cision was a reversal of a previous de cision, for the same court had refused an injunction brought by the bartenders against the law. One old judge who was superanuated was to be retired in July and I had the appointing of his succes sor. Now the dispensary law of 1893, which was stronger than that of 1892, which was declared unconstitutional, hadn't been acted on and I didn't intend this court should either. So I put it in my pocket and waited. - "The court in its explanation of its ex planation, said the only part of the law which was constitutional was one little section which said the state should issue no licenses. But a previous statute on the books said, no one should sell liquor without a license. 8o.,hre was. a condi tion of absolute nncempromising rock ribbed prohibition, No liquor could be TOPEKA, sold for any purpsse legally, by drug stores or any one else. "The result was that there was a per-. feet inundation of drunkenness. Saloons ran wide open everywhere. Every cross roads opened up. Liquor was so free it almost ran in the streets." Tha Court Himself Took Drink. "The court which declared tha dispen sary lawunconstitutional walked down the street and went openly into a saloon and took a drink. I couldn't arrest anyone for my power had been taken away and no sheriff would. The liquor was bad, and drunkeness and debauchery became so prevalent that at the meetings throughout the state where I spoke the people would interrupt by crying 'when are you going to open up the dispen saries?' Even the Prohibitionists were sick of prohibition, for here if was simon pure, and admitted that the dispensaries were better. "ao when I had appointed the new supreme judge in July, I opened up the dispensaries under the law of 1893. We got a cuse brought under the law and the supreme court declared it valid. "Of course the old oligarchy said it was a party decision by a Tillmanite court, but the Tillmanites had said the same thing about the old court'd de cision. "So the system ran along and in De cember a new legislature fresh from the people and elected on the dispensary is sue, not only did not repeal the law but strengthened'it by the metropolitan po lice law, providing for a change of venue even when the grand jury didn't find a true bill, and for tha removal of sheriffs and other officers where they did not do their duty. The machinery for execut ing the law is now as strong as the inge nuity of man can devise. "In September, 1895, a constitutional convention met to revise the old consti tution. It was not elected on party lines but was composed ef man sent there for their ability and the fact that) they were representative. This convention wanted to embody the dispensary law just as it stood in the constitution. And here was presented tha singular spectacle of one who had been the champion of the law and stood in almost a parental relation to ir, laboring with the convention not to do it. "The reasons I urged were that if it should ba done and the supreme court of the United States, which has the om nipotent power to reverse itself, and act the fool. and do scandalous and reprehensible things generally, should declare it unconstitu tional, then we should have another case of absolute prohibition and it would be out of the legislature's power to remedy matters. "So what the convention did was to give the legislature power to provide for license, or prohibition, or the dispensary system, provided that no dispensary should be open after night or liquor sold by the drink. '-That is the way the question stands in South Carolina today. The bartenders fight it--because it destroys their busi ness and it is bard to enferce in tha cities because there is the head center of the opposition ta Tillmanites, but opposition is" gradually dying out, and when tha bartenders can be forced from the state the law will work quite smoothly. "The chief opponents of the law have been the bartenders and. preachers." "The trouble with the dispensary law in South Carolina as with the prohibition law Id Kansas, seems to have been in the cities. Do you think it was mostly on account of politics in South Carolina?" the correspondent asked. "Ye?, almost two-thirds of the opposi tion to the law was because it was a l'ill man measure. Many men said they didn't mind the dispensary law, and thought it was a good thing, but because it was passed by Tillmanites and I en forced it, they wanted to see it fail. "The quality of whisky down there is purely a political question," said Senator Tillman, laughing. "The anti-TiUman-ites say dispensary whisky is abomin able stuff; the worst liquor they ever pnt lips to. That it isn't fit for a dog to drink, that they wouldn't drink it if they were to die and all that, but tha Till manites say it is the finest in the world." Mil. Tilmaa's Camment. "Yes, it's all a matter of politics," said Mrs. Tillman, who was in the room, sharing in the laugh. "Sometimes the dispensary people would get it onto the antis by taking" a bottle with the name of an out of the state firm on it and put dispensary whisky in it," continued.Senator Tillman. "They would then give it to the antis to drink and they would say it was fine, that it beat dispensary whisky clear out. The dispensary people would then tell them what they had been drinking and have the laugh an them." "You think then that if Kansas were to adopt the dispensary system it would not be a step backward from prohibition, but a step forward?" "A long step forward," said Senator Tillman, with great emphasis. "A state which has stood prohibition would thank God for it, as a great improvement." "What do you think would be the effect if Kansas were to adopt it?" "It would have the most elevating ef fect on the morals of the drinking classes. It would enable them to get stimulants in an orderly, decent, legitimate and open way without having to sneak around a back way, and through dark hallways and up narrow stairs, or to swear to a lie. "I believe in lighting fire with fire and liquor with liquor. There is no better way to drive out the bartender than with whisky. It is a fact that dispensary whisky will drive out all other kinds. It is better, and' it is cheaper. Men who want whisky, and they will have it, as we know, would rather go openly, and in a respectable manner, to set it than to sneak around to. some blind tiger or joint and get it, and so those places would lose their patronage. "The advantage of the dispensary sys tem is that it destroys the bar-room for ever. "The difference between our way in South Carolina and yours in Kansas is that we recognize man as a miserable creature. There is a natural opposition to the idea of prohibition. The desire for stimulants is inherent in the nature of man. Some want tea, some take coffee and others want whisky. Ever since the time away back in history when men first found that fermentation would pro-, duce alcoholic stimulants, they have been used. You can't do away with the habit KANSAS, JANUARY of ages in a day. You can't legislate away the desire for Stimulants you must educate it out. It is not possible to ex tirpate and destroy, you must reduce and minimize. . ... - . ' "One of the beauties of the dispensary system is that it does away with treating. You can't buy whisky by the glass or drink. That is the chief - evil -of the present system . A party of men go into a bar roon and take a drink. Then they pass on down the street and one of them says: . 'Come in and have a drink with me.' And by the time they have visited three or four bar rooms they are- drunk, when that was not their intention in the first place and one-drink was, probably all any of them cared for or wanted.. . "There is a danger in the dispensary system of getting liquor either too cheap or too dear. If too dear illicit dealers will flourish and if too cheap consump tion is apt to be encouraged. But there is a golden moan. It can be made cheap enough to make dealing in it unprofita ble, and yet not encourage its use as a beverage." How It Would Work in Kansas. "Suppose Kansas were to adopt the dispensary system, and that the liquor element should be satisfied with it (ex cept jointists, of, course, whose, business would be destroyed) and the prohibition sists should not make trouble, would there be any difficulty to enforce the law?" "Not the slightest in the world. In such a case as that every bartender could ba driven from tha state." "Djes the state dispensary system les sen the amount of liquors consumed?" "Wall, there was no way to determine just how much had been consumed bo fore the law went into .effect," said Sen ator Tillman, "and from a fair estimate of that it may be said that only about half as much is used - now as under the old system." Senator Tillman said the system was conducted in South Carolina at a slight profit. The lowest price of whisky under his administration was $3, but his suc cessor has very greatly reduced the price in order he says to drive out all competition. There has been turned into the state treasury from the dispen saries since they have been running $240,000 of clear money. This is over and above the $50,000 appropriated to start the system out as this amount was paid back. The money is used for the support of the free schools. Under the law neither habitual drunk ards or minors can purchase liquors, and the dispensaries are not open alter night. The dispensers are paid salaries. . There are three commissioners in each county to locate and control the dispensaries. Only one man in the state can purchase for the dispensaries and he is the etate commissioner. All liquors are chemi cally tested. . Some beers , had to be thrown out Senator Tillman said, during his administration because of the pres ence of deleterious acids. - Senator Tillman told of his debates last '--summer with Oov. Dickey and St. Joha. in which he took- the side of the dispensary as against prohibition with the one and negatived-' prohibition with the other. He got the jury, which was composed of prominent men of and near New York, by a vote of 13 to 8 in his discussion with Oov. Dickey, and was beaten by St Joha. -"So it was a dogfall as far as the Juries were concerned." said Senator Tillman, "but while the juries were out I took a hand primary of the audience on prohibition or dis pensary, and I beat them two to one." Senator Tillman satd he dida'tsee how the sentiment of the state of South Caro lina could be shown any mora strongly in favor of the dispensary system, since it had been ratified by three legislatures and a constitutional convention. He be lieves that in about a year all illicit selling except moonshiuiug i n about three mountain districts will be done away with. Senator Tillman speaks with a strong southern accent, dropping his r's and using soft a's. He says fo'ce for iorce and ba'tenda', and whetha. He raises his voice to almost a shrill pitch when very much in earnest. His language is good and his vocabulary varied. He uses vernacular expressions frequently and in alluding to his first victory for governor, said he "didn't leave a "grease spot of the opposition." None could hear him talk and believe the report that he answered Senator Chandler's question in the senate as to what his politics was by saying "I aiut no Populist." He uses good English. M. F. M. SITUATION AT HAVANA. Oalputnt Hoyo Colorado, IS Miles From Havana Surrenders to Cubans. Havana, Jan. 10. It is announced that 123 wounded insurgents who were picked up on the battlefield at La Cebia are now in the Spanish hospital at San Antonio de los Banos. The garrison of Hoyo Colarado, consist ing of twenty Spanish volunteers, has surrendered to the insurgents, Hoyo Colorado is near Bauta. which is about twelve miles from this city. Private advices say that in Santiago parents are sending their children off the island to prevent their arrest based en unguarded expressions and violent language against Spain. The Isthmian Cuban organ says that Spain believes that Havana cannot be taken without siege guns. ' M'JBKIDE'S FAREWELL. Tbc Retiring President or the Federa tion or Labor Speaks Highly or bis Successor. Massillon, O. Jan 10 John McBride has written out his formal farewell to the American Federation of Labor. He speaks in generous terms of Samuel Gompers, and reiterate his determina tion, expressed during the heat of the late convention as follows: "I shall never again either seek or accept official life, or official responsibility in the labor movement; bat whenever opportunity offers, or occasion demands my voice and pen will be used to aid and relieve suffering humanity and oppressed la bor." . A Fine Sew Telescope. Comi!B09, O., Jan. 10. A telescope to day was opened at the state university. It is a gift from Emerson McMillin, of New York. It has a 12 inch lens, 16 foot barrel,- transit and spectroscope on the model of the Lick observatory, though on.. reduced lines. 10, 189G. HOENSCHEIDT! That Magic Name, Now Strains tlie Kansas Trump of Fame. On Fair Topeka Marches He, For Whisky Straight AND WHISKY FREE. Flings Out HisCrimsonGonfalon to Lead the Whisky Forces on, For Resubmission Good Old Times, BEER FOR NICKELS, 'Skey for Pinies. Poor Prohibi tion's in For "Fuss," For' He Won't Do a Thing to Us. Topeka is to have a Mystic Brother hood. This city has been left for the last, and the organizer says that ha has organizations in every city of the first class in Kansas. The organization has started out with grips, signs and pass words to overthrow prohibition in Kan sas, and, as might be guessed, it origina ted in Wichita. An organization is to be made in Topeka tomorrow night Police Com missioner Charles K. Holliday is looking after the organization in Topeka, end has been circulating petitions to be signed calling a meeting to organize, but the support he has received has not been of the hur ricane order and a prominent Topeka re submissionist says he has not more than a dozen names. But Charlie is hopeful. He says that Topeka will have an or ganization with 4,000 members. . John E. Hoenscheidt, who is the state organizer and one of the founders of the organization, waa in Topeka yesterday. He came unneralded and he did not stop at one of the big hotels. He canvassed the situation and gave instructions to the leaders here to "get a move on them selves." Ue said he would return to To peka Saturday night and he wanted a a goad showing made in this "hotbed of cranks," he called it. Mr. Hoenscheidt, as might be guessed from his name, is a German. . Long years ago he lived in Topeka and pub lished a German paper. He went to Wichita, and published - the Wichita Journal, which was run as a daily paper through the boom. He is a harmless looking individual, with blonde mustache and blue eyes. Like all Wichita people, he alludes to the prohibitory law as a "farce" and au infringement on civil rights. "We do not say anything about our membership" said Mr. Hoenscheidt to a Jouiinal reporter. "That is we do not tell who our members are but you had -better join us and you will find out all you want to know." - "How many members have you in the state?" "I am not able to say now." "Is it true that you have 50,000 mem bers as is resorted from Wichita?" "No, it is not true. But we expect to have 125,000 members in the spring. In Wichita we now have 1,700 members and I expect to see the number raised to 5,- 000 in the city alone. We have twenty lodges in Sedgwick county and almost 5,000 members in the county now." "Then you expect to organiza in the country, too?" 'Yes, sir; wa are going to organiza in the country as well as tne city, in every school district, but so far we have organ ized ouly iu one county, Sedgwick. We intend to have sub organizers do tuat. It is my business to organize in the cities, and that is what I am doing now. We have organizations now iu every city of the first class in Kansas. I nnderstand that there is a very large membership in Kansas City, Kansas, but 1 do not know much about any lodge but that to which I belong in Wichita." "How many organizers have yon in the state?" "We have seven. One for every con gressional district, besides myself. I am suppossd to look alter the work in the cities and the other organizers wiil look after the business in the outlying portions of the state." "Who is the organizer in this dis trict?" "He has not yet been appointed. That will be done after the organization is made here." "How many members of the next leg islature do you expect to secure?" "At least 84. We will get enough to secure a resubmission of tue prohibitory amendment. That is what we are after." "Will you take a hand in the election of state officers?" "Yes of course. When we elect our men to the county conventions as . we ex pect to do, it is natural to suppose that they will elect delegates to the state con vontein who will vote for men opposed to the prohibitory law. Ia that sense we will have something to say about the election of state officers. We will look after things way back at the beginning, and will see to it that the right men are selected as delegates to the county con ventions." Mr. Hoenscheidt saidj this with , an easy confident air as if he apprehended no trouble whatever iu his secret organ ization capturing the primaries of all parties. "Our organization will be a power, continued the organizer. "We ara not troubling about the Germans, They are with us, anyhow. The order is being organized - among the "Americans. We want to gat the people wuo are aouDtiui. We do not care about the men who have been for resubmission all along because thev are safelv on our side. "We carried one election in the state by an organization like this and we can succeed again," ' continued Mr; Honea schiedt confidently. "That was in 1882; FRIDAY EVENING. that was the way we elected Glick. We had an organization called the Resub mission league all over the state, and the result was that we won. The people were disgusted, but this time we will have the law annulled." Then the organizer talked of Wichita. "I wish the governor would appoint an assistant attorney general in every town. Nothing could be done that would help our organization more. Why in Wichita they summoned 362 witnesses to prove the sale of a single glass of beer. They were in court twelve days at $2 a day and then the man wasn't convicted. I feel safe in saving thati every one of those witnesses lias, or will, join our organization, for they see that the bills will have to be paid by some one, and they also see what a farce the law is. Let them appoint assistant at torney generals. Nothing could suit us better." The commander of the state organiza tion is C C. Smith, city clerk of Wichita. Another Wichita man, Frank Burt, is the state secretary, so that the organization may be said to be purely Wichitan. Commander Smith said in a recent in terview: "We believe that the prohibitory laws of the state, as enforced, are not only a farce and a political game, but that there is really more liquor conlumed than under some system where the traffic can be controlled. We believe that the so-called attempts that are periodically made in Wichita and other cities to en force the law. and which uniformly fail, create discord and engender an intensely bitter feeling that is exceedingly detri mental to our material welfare. We want to bring prosperity and peace to our state by re-establishing the conditions under which the attainmentof such ends is possible. Our candidates will be on the party tickets and my prophecy is that every one of them will be elected." WILL THERE BE WAR? The British Said to Be Strengthening Their Venezuela Forces. Chicago, Jan. 10. A special to the Journal from Washington says: The re port that the British are strengthening their outposts in Venezuela and advancing into Venezuela is true. "I have myself received to day a private dispatch from there corroborating it" so said Congress man Livingston of Georgia, this after noon. He said: "I cannot show you the dis patch; it is private. You can however relv upon it. I called on the Venezuelon minister this morning and asked him to use his influence with Creapo to keep back Venezuelan troops. Should they advance it would precipi tate a conflict at once.. That would ren- , der our .Venezuelan commission useless. , We would be compelled to back' dp Ven-; ezuela and we would be plunged into war at once." - - "Yon have seen denial of the statement-' by the British colonial office?" - " ':U "les, but the statement is true never theless. Unless Great Britain recalls her troops and reduces the outposts to their former strength, (Jreapo would be com pelled to go to war to prevent a revolu tion. "My resolution vesterday was not as Boutelle thought, a war resolution it was a peace resolution. It was a peace resolution by calling on President Cleve land to investigate the report and if true, to demand that Great Britain un do what she has done. Should Great Britain refuse war would result, but 1 don't think she would refuse Chairman Hitt promises to have my resolution considered immediatelv. I have suggested that if he likes, he amend it by inserting a clause calling on President Crespo to hold back troops and so avoid conflict or trouble of any kind with Great Bntian till the present situation be set right and our commis sion has made its report." TEX DECEIVED WOMEN. All Remand Separation from Their Husbands, bnt Some Back Out. The divorce mill was set in revolution this morning in the district court, but it soon ran out of material. Judge Uazen had intended that ten wronged wives should be avenged, revenged and paci fied, but only three of the number ac cepted his kind offer. All the cases set for this morning were brought by the gentler sex. The meu seem to be able to stand it, but the women cannot brook the woes of mar ried life. Mrs. Hattie Neeley was one who did not back out of the trial after she had brought the suit. She has been married to Charles Neeley for 9 years, but this morning she cast him aside because he no longer supports her. She lives with her father in Boynton's addition. . Au old lady shook from nervousness and came nearly fainting while she was testifying about the "extreme cru elty" of her husband. It was Mrs. Celia B. Lord, of 32:4 Arter avenue. Judge Hazen'a heart was touched by the scene, and he granted the divorce. Her husband's name is Thomas J. Lord. The third wife who had the courage to appear was a colored woman,Mrs.Kmeline Spradley Her husband had abandoned her and slio anticipated the divorce by hav ing her name put in the new directory as a widow. The custody of her two daugh ters is given to her by the decree. Wil liam Spradley was her husband. Mrs. Spradley lives with her children at 1416 Chandler street. The remaining seven cases were dis missed because the plaintiffs failed to appear and prosecute.- Some of them have gone bak to live together again, some have left the state, while some, as in the case of Strouse vs. Strouse, did not prosecute because their parents have scruples against divorces. The t cases dismissed this morning were: Mrs. Minnie A. Conner vs C. B. Conner, teamster, 715 Locust street. Mrs. Mollis Haygood vs We Hay good. Mrs. Maggie Blinn vs We H. Blinn. . Mrs. Eva L Diehl vs. Edwin A. L)iehl. Mrs. May C. Strouse vs. George L Strouse. Mrs, Emma Boding vs. Harry Bar- - - - Mrs. Artie M. Price vs. Jas. W. Price, TWO CENTS. MORGAN'S RAID On the National Treasury is Turned Back. Big New York Banks Abandon His Syndicate. AT LEAST 12 MILLION Withdrawn From the Gold Syn dicate Fund Today. Meantime, the People Are Com' ing Forward Bravely. Chicago, Jan. 10. A special from New York says: The Morgan bond syndicate has at last been shaken by the with drawal from it of the Chemical National bank. It is understood that the amount of the bank's subscription was $3, 000,000. George G. Williams, the pres ident of the bank, said: "Our sub scription simply represented those of our depositors and we do not want to tie them up in the uncertainties of the syndicate. We do not wish to stand in the way of the success of a popular loan. It was reported that the City National and possibly the United States Trust Co. and the Hanover National will follow the lead of the Chemical. The City National has $10,000,000 gold in its vaults, and its subscription was re ported $5,000,000. The subscriptions of the Hanover National and the United States Trust company wera each about f2.000,000. The lead of the Chemical National is considered an indication that the sell ing of the bonds directly to the public will be a success. Thirty Millions in Sight. New York, Jan. 10, The World says: "This is going to be a great popular loan. The World already has news from small, country national banks of "firm" subscriptions amounting to more thaa fifteen millions, and of other subscrip tions, amounts not specified in the des patches, which will certainly aggregate fifteen millions more. "This does not touch the national banks of any financial center, small or great. ' It does not include any of the great banks or bankers. It does not in clude any but national banks no private bankers, no state or savings bauks, no trust companies, and no pr.vate invest ors. Yet it represents about one-third of the whole Iohc; "pledged, through the World In a single dy: - "Many of the banks responding an nounce that they already have ao gold in, their alts with whlcttTd rJay-for the bonds. "All of them offer the-rr subscrUi-' tioos on a 3 per cent basis cr at a little over 117. "To have the loan subscribed in this way will not only save the government a syndicate profit of twelve or fifteen millions. It will save the government lrom falling into the clutches of a syndi cate. It will make the plain people of the country the nation's creditors. It will give them a vested imterest in sound finance. It will make them jealous of the nation's credit. Nothing better than this could happen to the country, nothing that would more direcily stimulate patriotism and breed common sense upon all financial issues. "It is obvious now that the people out side tha great tinancial centers are going to bid for nearly if not quite the whole loan on a 3 per cent basis. It ought to go to them tven should a syndicate bid a fraction higher." IT IS CERTAIN. Ex-President Harrison's 3Iarriajre ta iliri, Uiiauiock Settled. Nkw YoitK, Jan. 10. The Morning Advertiser says positive announcements come from Indianapolis concerning the much-talked of engagement of ex-P'esident Harrison and Mrs. Mary Scott Dimniock, and though neither one of the contracting parties will say a word, it is nearly certain that the marriage will take place before Lent. It will be solemnized at Mrs. Dim mock's home and will probably be a very quiet affair. , Won't Sny It Isn't So. Indianapolis. Jan. 10. Ex-President Harrison left for New York this after noon. His private secretary says he is going there to consult with other attorneys in the California irrigation cases, and thence will go to Waauington for the argument in the United States supreme court. His secre tary will make no statement regarding the stories that the ex-president is to marry Mrs. Dimmock. RESERVE 857,000,000. The Treasury Shorter r Gold Today and More Going Out. Washington, Jan. 10. Today's state ment of the condition of the treasury shows: Available cash balance, $179,499,577; gold reserue, $57,932,104. Nkw York. Jan. 10. Lazard Frere3 will export $150,000 in gold bars tomor row. Heidelbacb, Ickelhimer & Co., an nounce that ' they will export $51)0,000 gold by tomorrow's steamer. It is reported that the amount of gold deposited by Hardy & Harman at the sub-treasury for examination up to date has reached $1,000,000 to $1,250,000. To B117 IIodiIi With, of Conrit. New York, Jan. 10. 3 p. m. Two hundred thousand dollars in gold coin has been ordered from the sub-treasury by Messrs. Watson & Bra. brokers. It is understood that the gold will not be ex ported. The Metropolitan Life Insurance com pany, through its agrent, James L. Her ron, has paid me $375.29 in full upon tha life of my deceased wife, Jean S. Mus tard. David Mustard, 210 FairchildstrotW A