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Page Six News and Views Truth and Sincerity $Ol OUTFItLO—SSO,OOO; JENNINGS WOULO GRIS RATERS IT THAT PRICE Stahl Says That They’re Worth More Money Than There is in the League REMAIN FOR MANY YEARS While Jennings Says They’re Good for Seven Seasons, Stahl Says Ten BY RALPH L. YOXKER. Red Sox outfield —$50,000. Offered these two valuable pack ages, Hughle Jennings would take the players. That Is, Jennings considers Speak er. Lewis and Hooper worth fifty thou sand cold bones Yet Jake Stahl, manager of the Bos ton team, would sneer at that price. Jake says that there isn't money enough In baseball to buy these three men from the Boston club. Jake has heard of hyperbole and luts made excellent use of the figure of speech, but It Is certain that he wouldn’t consider the price Jennings named. • But, of course, Hughle would be the purchased; Stahl the seller. That makes much difference. Except for their difference In point of view, both managers are well quali fied to talk of both ball players and high fiance. Stahl Is the vice-presi dent of the Washington Park bank in Chicago and has been in the banking business in the Windy City for four Tears. Jennings is a director In a Scranton bank. Jenninga say® that, barring in juries, the Sox outfield will remain Intact for a star aggregation for seven Tears, if the men take care of them selves. They are all young men. Speaker, at the age of 23, being the oldest in the lot, and with moderate living should last until 11*20. Stahl says that all three men take excellent care of themselves and that they will last for ten years yet In the majors. Speaker has a farm down in Texas; Lewis and Hooper come from the sunny coast of California. Speaker is the most valuable man In the trio. He is most valuable be cause he is more sensational. He is the glitter of the Boston outfield for the same reason that Cobb is the bril liant light of the Tiger far gardens He pulls off more spectacular catches, ho hits better and he Is more speedy aud daring on the bases. Furthermore, Speaker has had the most publicity. He is the best known of the three men and therefore is the beat drawing card. For these reasons. This would be worth half of the $50,000, with Duffy Lewis bringing $15,000 and Hooper, SIO,OOO. Taken all in all this trio Is worth more than any other big league out field today. Jake Stahl expects his team to be intact next year. While he watches the Tigers and other teams develop ing new men for the 1913 season, he Is content with the assurance that his men are fit for another season just as they are. But, of course, he isn’t going to sleep while the season is rolling on. He Is picking up youngsters, especial ly pitchers. He intends to make an •special effort to develope his pitching •taff. Stahl Is fond of two games—base ball and banking. Stahl himself experts to l>e back with the team in 1913, but he wIII ipend the winter at Chicago banking. “Will you be banking in Chicago l this year,” I asked Stahl when he was We. "You bet I will,” he snapped quick M a wink with enthusiasm. "We took In deposits of over a million and a half last year and we’ve only been In business two years. I ought to he glad to go back, hadn't I?” AMERICAN LEAGUE STANDING. W.LPct. W. LPct. Boston...- 77 36 6HB Detroit.. . Ml (Ml .-IT* Wash ton 69 44 .611 Clevel’nd 51 M .45.1 i. Athletics. 67 44.604 N. York.. 38 72.315 f .Chicago.. 66 67.496 St. Louis. 36 76.321 To4a«'a Game*. » Detroit at Boston. | Cleveland at Washington. Bt. Louis at New York, ffrt m fa at Philadelphia. " AMERICAN ASSOCIATION STANDING. W. L.Pct. W.L.Pct. , Columbus S3 47 .636 Mllw'kee. HO 65 .460 Ml one* Us. 82 47 .636 Ht. Paul.. 60 72.45" Toledo... 77 60 606 Lulevtlle 47 91 S«7 4 Kan. City 82 66 488 Indlan’lts 44 86 .338 KAHLER, OF NAPS, ADOPTS DUBUC’B CHANGE 'O PACE According to a report emanat ing from Cleveland, the im provement of Pitcher Kahler. of the Napa, is due to the fact that he adopted the style of our own pet youngster, Jean Dubuc. You know, Big George, aa he is known across the lake, waa going badly. Hadn't won a game for Davis' crew In five weeks or thereabouts. Tis said that the erstwhile Mackman at the holm of the good ship Nap land. while on a recent voyage to our fair shores. Informed bla fait dimming star that he would be much more effective if he would adopt the Montreal Frenchman's style of pitching. Whereupon *tls said. Krum— that's another nickname they have for George—proceeded to do so and as a result when he tackled the White Sox In Clov e land a few days ago his change of pars saved him from being scored upon when the situa tion. at times, was, to say the least, embarrassing. - • ■ . . ■— —r=r ; : II —“ I IXir v/WME&e'J ) v g'wan 6ack (THERE OtTCR DE'W C f ~ a jO-Rl ff VrScV * (A MA.LDO* LONGjV: | one. J y | „ i (lADDCRf _________■ —i * ■—* HOW 10 BEIT AMERICA IH NEXT OITMPICS IS PERPLEXING QUESTION That’s What Great Britain Is Stewing About R’ght Right Now SEND COLONIES REQUESTS But the Mother Country’s Chil dren Make No Response For Call For Athletes BY ED L KEEN, London Correspondent of the United Press. LONDON, Aug. 19—How to beat America in the next Olympiad is a far more perplexing problem for Brit ish sportsmen than why England cut such a sorry figure at the last. Ag the doctors have disagreed in their diagnosis of the patient's ail-, ment, so they differ regarding the proper treatment. Scores of reasons have been assigned for the failure at Stockholm. The experts are still fill ing columns In the newspapers ex plaining. excusing, ot berating. But thus far no definite, feasible plan of campaign for Berlin has been agreed upon. There are even those who, hav ing in mind the general decadence of the nation in the past five or six years in various fields of sports, are saying helplessly, “Oh. what s the use*'’ According to a good many experts there won’t be any use, unless Eng land's colonies come to her rescue, Already a pathetic appeal has been made to Canada. Australia. South Africa, and the other outlytng prov inces to forego their local pride, sac rifice their chances for individual vic tories and pool their interests with those of the mother country. The suggestion first came from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle; Showing how desperate Is the outlook in his estimation, he would even draft Cingalese or Malay WANTED—ANOTHER MANAGER FOR THE HAPLESS CINCI REDS! WHO'LL BE THE NEXT VICTIM? Garry Herrmann is once more out with his lasso It probably won't be long before some hapless ball tosser U branded as the manager of the Cin cinnati Reds. This news and the remembrance of the failures In the job of Cincinnati boss must b© enough to *end all pros* i pectivt managers of the club scurry ing to get under cover. Baseball history has shown that the managerial Job In Redvllle isn’t the softest, most desirable thing in has.- ball, and if Herrmann succeeds in slipping th© lariat over Otto Knabe. of the Phils, BUI Sweeney, of the Boa ton Braves, or Miller Huggins, of the St. Louis Cardinals, there may be an other name added to the long list of Rediand failures. Since Garry Herrmann broke into baseball more than a decade ago be has tried as hard as he knew how to produce a winner. Money has been : spent lavishly by him and trades of all sorts pulled off, but the jinx stil! sticks. Managers hav© fallen down on the Job In Cincinnati only to go else where and boh up with a winner; but I win In Cincinnati—why. It’s getting , to be the joke of the baseball world. I Joe Kelley was the first of the fall ' ures. After several years of Indif ferent success, while toiling for Herr mann, he went to Toronto and pro duced a winner right off the reel, and he has kept that team up in the race every year, except one when he was 1 cajoled into managing the Boston j Braves. Ned HAnlon, Kelly's teacher at Bal jtlmore. followed his former pupil as t boas of the Reds Hanlon s success ! with the red hosed athletes was noticeable only for Its absence, Herr mann was really grateful when Han lon, diaguated with baseball In gen eral and with the Cincinnati brand In particular, retired to his Baltimore domicile to enjoy the fortune he had made In his long diamond service. “Jawn" Ganzcl was the next to fall down on the Job. Sold to Rochester, be hai done nothing but wm pennants THE TIMES SPORT PAGE l swimmers, Indian runners aud Sikhs wrestler*. As yet there has l>een no response from the colonies —nor from the Cin galese. Malays. Indiaus. or Sikhs. Although his nostrum is scarcely likely to be adopted—and if so would be of doubtful virtue —most of his fel low practitioners admit with Dr. 1 Doyle that the patient is in a very bad way. One particularly frank critic analyzes the situation thus: | "We rarely in England turn the I potentially first-rate man into the act- I ually tirst-rate man; and we are singu- I larly behindhand jn discovering and applying the hundred and one little devices that mean the difference be tween failure and success. The new seat in the saddle, the new swerve in the high jump, the new start in the sprints, the new service in tennis, were all alien inventions and it is ouly reluctantly that we condescend to experiment with them. “We fail because our competitors bring an extra keenness. a stronger desire to win, a sounder and more scientific habit of insurance against all risks, and far more readiness to submit to discipline than our men. Our representative* want to win. but not enough to submit to all the trou ble, expenditures and training that are th<e price of victory. - ' And when an appeal is made for funds, for the employment of experts and the Introduction of American training methods, the average Eng lishman shrugs hig shoulders and says: ■“But that Is making a business of it. you know; we go in for sports as sports, not as professions.'' NATIONAL LEAGUE **t \ \ ni YO. W L.rot. W I. Pet S’, York.. 75 31 .708 Oinoln'atl 52 50 i*>B Chicago.. 71 38 *6l St Louis. 50 SI. *6O Ptttab'gh. *5 42 607 Brooklyn. in 71 ST.'. Philllo* . 53 55 481 Boston ... .10 78 .278 Yesterday** NVw ork 11. St Louis 1 Phillies 10-1, Chicago 6-5. Boston 5. Cincinnati 4. Today** Gimrt. New nrk at St Louis. J hillies at Chicago Boston at Cincinnati Brooklyn at Pittsburgh. INTERNATIONAL LEAGUE *tT4M)IXO. \Y. L.Pet W L Pc*. Rnrhest’r 71 46 *O7 .Ter t*itv. 68 61 4*7 Tort Tito.. «8 48 .581 Buffalo. , 5.1 60 460 B’ttmore. s'* 55 .518 Montreal. 52 68 433 Newark . > ,'»9 61 .482 Provld'ee 48 68.4 24 Otto Knabe and Miller Higgins, one of whom may be caught for the job. Above, four men who have tried it and failed—Hank O'Day, Joe Kelley, Ed Hanlon and Clark Griffith. for that club, and now has a lead for the rag this year about a* safe as any thing can be In the uncertainly of baseball. Although he had previously won one pennant In the American league and had lost another through a wild pitch only. Clurk Griffith couldn't produce a winner In Cincinnati. Hut take a slant at hl« success since leaving the Reds. Taking the Washington club nt the start of this season, he has con verted that perennial tailender Into a real pennant contender which has not yet bewu counuul uut of the rac© by a single critic the country over. And now we come to the ruse of Hank O'Day. Poor old Himk labored under the delusion that umpiring in the National league was the worst fat© that could come to any man. He nn hts mistake. He vu worried THE DETROIT TIMES: MONDAY. AVGUST 19, 1912. —4j ' *V.T*I4• Vi, GRIPSACK SI'S LETTER WAS A REGULAR FALSE ALARM TOST TO HIVE GREAT MICHIRE IRIS EIEE So Says Capt. Thomson in Looking Over Prospects According to a reoort from up Sag inaw way George (Bottles> Thompson., captain of the 1913 Michigan football team and star fullback, says that Yost will have a machine this year which cannot be beat. Bottles we know will make a real good captain. He not only gives good reasons why his team will be the best on earth, but his statement Is also the first of the season and ig therefore bound to make a good impression Speaking of the different positions on the team Thomson says that Boyle will probably make the quarterback position, while for the two guard* and center there will be a wealth of mate rial. The end positions may cause some trouble, but the backfield, ac cording to Cap Thomson will be stronger than ever. ♦ ♦ Tiger Scouts! To Mt. Clemens. Quick ♦ « Order ML Clemens < losed tight un til Mr. Louis North of the Mt. Clem ens baseball club agret-s to pitch for ;he Tigers Phase do this immedi ately Mr. Navin. It is reported that scouts have hired special trains from St. Louie, New York and Cleveland, who by the way are all behind us— but that's all—and are hurrying to ward the ’ Bath City” with bales of contracts. This North person is some guy. If vou won't take our word for it listen to the following: l-ouis North, of the McClemens club and Star Mason of *he Windsor baseball team, fought a id-inning pitchers' battle, yesterday at Mt. Clemens. The game was called ou account of darkness, the score bo ng 1 to 1. North struck out 26 men. while Mason fanned 18. Not a run ! was made until the twelfth inning I when each side got their only tally. .more, has lost more sleep and spent more anxious moments since tbe open* ing of this season than ever before in his career. And his troubles aren't over, for his team is still slipping. Now he has begun to count the days until October ti. when the Reds meet the Pirates in tbe final game. With these failures in mind, Is it any wonder that budding manager* aren't falling over each other to land the job? Os course there 1s a chance that any one of the trio might produce s winner In Cincinnati. Huggins. Sweeney and Knabe are all aggressive players; all of them know the game fmm one end to the other. But not on© of them !mm» ever had any exper ience in bossing a bunch of hall toss ers; not one has had an opi»ortulty to show that he possesses a lot of ex ecutive ability. PICK-UPS FROM THE BIG LEAGUE FIELDS The Giant* gave vent to their feeling* and unburdened them selves of a long nursed grouch by ignominiously defeating the Cardinals. “Rube" toed the slab for the Giants, allowing the Car dinals to connect only with their Imagination. They lead by five and one-half games today. The Cubs marked time in the double bill with the Phillies, win ning and losing a game. The Phill'e* took the first 10 to 6 and dropped the second 1 to 5. The subway champ* rubbed it in on the Reds, sto 4. The first inning rally put the decision on ice for the Boston Braves. In the American league the teams loafed in strict adherence to the Sunday law in the ea»t. CUBAN STARS SHUT OUT MACK PARK CLUB The Cuban Stars with Mendez on the mound, again defeated the S. & S. club at Mack Park, yesterday. The Haul count Wvis 7 to 0. The great “Black Matnew*on’’ was at his beat J yesterday and at very few stages of. the game did the Mack Parkers \ th:eaten to tally. The game was replete with bril liant fielding on both sides. Prutig at | first for thr» local team show ing up especially well. Mendez not only | aave an exhibition of pitching that I was of big league class but also field led his position in a manner that could not hi improved upon. PACKEY SAYS HE WILL i WIN FROM C HAMPION I CHICAGO. Aug. 19—“ Well, what do you know about that?" was Packey McFarland’s comment when he mep ;td off the train here and was told lie had been matched to fight light aeight champion Ad Wolgast. Sept. 27. Ihe stock yard* fighter has been camping in northern Minnesota and hadn't heard about the coming battle. I'll win.'' said Packey, when he recovered trom his surprise. “I in better now than ever before in my life.’’ | The release of Shortstop Jack Mar ; tin by the Yankees to Rochester. I means it is said, the early delivery |of Tommy McMillan to New* York. leaders and the Advertisers SIX STAKES Will RE DECIDED AT COMING WINDSOR RACE MEET Purse Offerings Expected to Reach the Sum of $32,000 ARE MANY NOMINATIONS Windsor Stakes To Be Run on Labor Day—4B Nomi nations STAKE DATES. Monday, Aug. 26—D., B. I. & W. Ferry Cos., handicap, oue and one-sixteenth miles. Wednesday. Aug. 28—Essex handicap, for two-year:olds, six furlongs. 1 hursday, Aug. 29 —Walkor- ville steeplechase, full course, übout two and a quarter miles. Friday, Aug. 30—Canadian handicap, Canadian bred, one mile. Saturday, Aug. 31 —Clair handicap, all ages, six furlong*. Monday, Sept. 2—Windsor stake, selling, mile and a fur long. Six stakes will be decided at the autumn meeting of the Windsor Rac ing association, beginning Monday, Aug. 26. The total values of these fixtures is $7,80u, which together with th eover-night purse offerings will show a distribution among the horse men of about $32,000, None of the purse events at the coming meeting across tne liver will be of less value than SSOO, while a number of the handicaps to be ar ranged from day to day will have an added value of S6OO to S7OO. There are 53 nominations to the Ferry handicap at a rnlle and a six teenth, to be run on the opening day of the meeting. Out of this number there will be a dozen or more to face the starter. Among the likely start .Edited by RALPH L. YONKER ers are: Guy Fisher, Plate Glaus, Any Port, Bell Horse, John Furlong, lothore, Star Charter, Froglegs, Rock ville, Spellbound, Altaniaha, Cliff Edge, Leopold, Uuckhorn, uud Count less. The Essex handicap for two-year olds to be run on Wednesday, Aug. I*B, has 74 nominations. Thirteen have been named for the Walkerville steeplechase to be de cided. Thursday, Aug. 29, oyer the full course. Twenty-two Canadian bred horses are named for the Canadian handicap inn on Friday, Aug. 3. The St. Clair handicap Is for all ages and will be run on Saturday, Aug. 31. It has an even 50 entries. The Windsor stake at a mile and a furlongs will be run on Labor day, Sept. 2. There are 48 nominations to this selling fix hire. Among the prin cipal candidates are; Brig. Marcovil, Bob R., Superstition. Sandhill, Busy, Any Port, John Furlong. Reputation, Spellbound Caliph, Idleweiis and Fly ing Feet. The Judges at tho autumn meeting at Windsor will be the same as of fb iate at the summer meeting Charles F Price and Francis Nelson. A. B. Bade will as usual, spring the bar rier. and F. W. Gerhardy will bo found in his customary place In the scale room. The Judges together with Secretary Walter O. Parmer, will as sign the weights for the various hand icaps. MAN SAID TO BE MARVIN HART IN HOSPITAL SEATTLE, Was~h7 Aug. 19—Fight fans were divided today on the ques tion whether the "hobo” in the how Vital here, seriously hurt, is Marvin Hart, once a prominent heavyweight. The man was struck by a Great Northern train, late yesterday. He at first refused to give any name, but later, to the county authorities hp said he was Marvin Hart, the pugilist. SOUTH MICHIGAN LEAGUE vnvnixc;. / w. I* Pel XV L.Pc't. P Creek. «3 39 Flint.... 55 49 529 Adrian... 57 15 570 Lansing.. 52 41.52;' Jackson.. 5C 47 5* 4 Kazoo... *0 53 465 VfNlerdi»*» ItcMult*. Jackscn 8-5, Lansing 3-1 Adrian 2-3. Kalamazoo 1-1. Flint 7-2, Battle Creek 4-6. Today's liumri. Flint at Adrian. Battle Creek at Lansing, j Kalamazoo at Jackson. Jolt Printing Done (tight. Times Printing Cos., IS John It. St. Readers who see the seams and the same firm tn these daily paper continually must decide the advertiser has something worth an investigation at least* The attention of the mer chant who advertises but seldom is called to the advertisements upon then pages . Most of them are here week gfter week Why 9 These persistent adver tisers want the patronage of the readers of The Times P. S. Telling the merchant jm read his advertisements always pleases him, and telling him where you read It hdpa The Times and the cause of pteasi and honest advertising.