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I with nlml mill rh-rrtni; ih nit, lli Wi'iil into III,. in hi ; W ilnirB tli f. mi l, y ,v .'i, VY (iiltnl both lii.t 11ml lu I'. Ami jiifjt whi-n vii'trrr rmij( nut My Rulilt I'liinritilt fi'll. t horn liim iiititly oA' llu Hi I.I, AM'I (tvtf him wiinli of rhiuir, With Imn I up .n lui li nrt, lie il l, 'I't my fu'loiiHli hirr flul rri) I xo, 11 proiulie itiik?, Tlmt vmi will err my lu-iilv Ami trl'l how gull uitly I f.ui-lil An I for my rountiy n il. Ami It'll lnr I will w.iti-li mnl wit Ami loii tu li r riic, To Join in, in tlmt pnri-r inir TliHt homn hroml thi nki. A ml whfii thr lriiy mi ni .r cum i Ami bII in tr. l.n. Inn', To kIvv nnr luiMiini; thouitht to me, Anil fwr iu ili-op a triir.'' Ilia tiilf nf lifu " i'l I'i til.' f Ki ll fithty prtin'l my Imml - An l loon hia apirit took ittfiiht l'p tu Ui it bitlr Uinl. II al-pa hnnalh Viriuiti loil, ihi lilliil lit' iliril tn aavi- ; Anil frrnnn yit will tuiirk tin! ain't. Ami ihnw "riii! Tinu'i tirntr " But. ilnrlini. it i tliri- loun ymrj Bluet Nat w bid mliru, And atill It mnv bn many in re Bi fora I ko In you; For vandal fiM an on our anil And fruadotn'a to In won Til, fr rd.im uf t'i l.unl tlmt li Tli fi u( Wliiii.ton. Kuf.iiila, Alnbania, ISiil. l.li Kuan and Dixon'i Linr. Mfinphia A vntmu'lic Tin- Icriu Maui un.l Pixon' line! ipbr-J tu tin' narnllrl uf Intittnle 3'. Ji((ra, i.i niinut.'-i 2ri .8 m-ciitnln north which ai'imniti'! IVtin haitia from Marj liunl, ilrawti by 1'havloa .Mii-hhi Had Jrrfiaiah IMxon, two iltingtii-lu'd I.n Kjliih uiatlu'iiiHtii itttM ami n-itrunoniora A theuorthortt li mit.i (with the except luaiif atuall tiiirtiotia of IVlaware anJ N'trnttiia) of the original aluvt Stutcn, it wm protiiineiitlv iui'IiuoiiihI in the con trovirie concern in", alnverv. ltruj-ina at the nurthi'ait corner of .fnryl:uul and ruoiduo west. The yearn from 1781 to libs were mark fit by constant ui-Mcnaion oil coaflict bftween the rival pronrie tariM of lVnnivlvnnia ami Maryland and their partiaun.a on the titihiect of their common Imundary, and the vi ciuitr of thi line was the tin-in rt- of riut iavaaion and 1'IikmU1i.1. Mn..n and Dixon arrtveil in i'hiladi'liiliia in Noveiu br, 1763, ami commenced their work in LWcember. It m contiiiuej to a point, lH milca Irotn tne iN iaware river, and within 3i mile of the whole distance of tha run, where they w rre roinelled to top operation in conwquxnee of the ppoaitiooof the Indiana. They return d to Philadelphia, and were di-K-hargeil 1 We rubor ;ii, 1 7i"H. At the etui of very fifth nnle vl thta line a done wa planted, rraveu with the arm of the Won family on on ide and of I-ord Baltiiuor on the other. The i titer nnvl- iaU mile were niarkej wiuh (mailer ton baTinr i. on one aide ami M. on tli other. In 1732 Colonel Alexander McClean aud Jooeph Neville. of irgtnta, raa th former aitrveva were reviaed and found correct iu all important point. A. Lary Family. Courier-Journal. Tne Madrid Kstafette state that a Ppaniah gentleman, .-Vnor I. ma Ne queiraa Saei, who emigrated from hi aatira land to America seventy years agt, recentlr returned to fpain in a steamer of his own, and brought with bins the whole of hi family, which con sist of no fewer than l'.7 souls, sons-in- law and daughterw-in-law not included. Hemir Nu'S h l"'n three time mar- nwl. in nrst wue naa eleven cnnu ren at seveu births, his second had nine teen children at thirteen births, and hi thirl bad seven children at six births. Tha yonngest of thi family of thirty hiio ii agr-d nineteen; t ha rldeat, who is seventy, has seven icon children, of whom tb firat-bora M forty-seven, th Henor Ses' twentv-three " sons, all of whom ars living, tiiirteen are married, six ar unuirrnl, and four are widow rs;anduf hi anrvivinr daughters nine ar married. The granddaughters num ber thirty-four, and of these twenty lo ar married, nine are unmarried nd tbrea r widows; and of the forty five fraadsons twenty-three are married, aeyntvn are unmarried and four are widowers. There ar also forty five grnrsn..u(hters, and thirty-nine grwat g ra o.J mmt, at whom three are arrt4, tvuor Kie ha never tasted in r any alcobli li.jtior, aud live. l.ly a .uHi diet, with but bit m i. fa ,,! 0f J,;, ninety-three ' h. U tnl UmU and hoartr, and a bol'it if w.lliriir t.ri.klv a .jiiit. i.i walking b M Ut tore lu.'4i try (isjr. - hjdgk jere black's Aniwer to Mr. Jtffenoa DivU-BtT-eral Leavti fromtlu Hiitorycf the Early Da yi of Stcmioa. A TTi -w ,f .v. T- m. Trr Tu i virw laU Warkiaji of of Iu Xeaben. iwi iowmy U what porportj to I ift f-piy of Jod Clack iu gatbrrd Sa n ir.trtiew bid bj Col. Burr jut prr- .twuMotlie oeati of tU former ;; MIMMIJIIY rti III III EL ! 7 1'lNS ; wiiii ji rx.r. RLaia. , "No, it i not the thing to jerk out in t the form i,f an interview roy aitswer to I Mr. I tail". He haa ci. mc at lue over bir own signature, I sill so reply. I will prepare for vou what I have to ay t.ut In" rritu inn xHiietime within a wiek. I ntil tli'u let us J-aru wil.ru ia -llenc1.' TUessf wrte the doting words of acon-rr.r-ation in hirh Judge Illat k, after re.rig ihe recent stuck mnde upon him by Mr. Jeffi ron Davis, outlined Ui me ins own ition and the inner his tory or a periiHl in winch he plaved the wiaerand irreater r.urf Jn.il. ..' i r J "icul I own urivale.f powers of feme in i the precise argiinienu of a careful and I'r,l,,r' Wr Vn the Une rai-d ,"lM,n nimielf, tlii last but one of the ovai m-mlter of President Buchanan', t aliinct living, and the chief of the rS ession ca!l, he deemed this deaultorv converaatifii. allit sustained through two graphic boiira. nttworthyof himwlf and the hiatotienl etigenrv of the ajtna ti hi. But death di-rtiiiii-n all things. The pasain converMliou of an August fore-j u h.ii has became the last record of ai lieriiKl i-i our hl-lnrv. of whose inn-i' inrl emHvU iTptnta wittiiti rrfitdent l.uch aintu's abinet imotlier record cau exist. t'sLinets, by their nature, keep uo min utes, f jiHtom, courtesy and habit of otlicial life leave the vindication of their policy and their action to some survivor, who defends before another -.eucrat on events up, ii which his lips were sealed at tln ir occurrence. Much of the hiftory of the i.eiiod i 1...1 ... t.i i . .. . -.. .1 ouoe i.iat -a was influencing, in Buchanan's Cabinet, the iucs of eacc lid war, it Inn already lieen the goiKl fortune of the writer to lay ln-fore' the public It is, perhaps, not't'io much to :iy that these diac.o.urt's have revers"iJ public oiiiiiion of Juc!r'e Black's counsel and profoundly iutljcnc. d public es'.i tuate of I'rt.i.lent Buchanan's course. U beth.-r this be so, it is unnecessary here and now to discuss. The- decision is one wjiich can bo-t lie left to others; but it wiil probably be admitted by all that tlie wide inc. ptancu by the press of tin l itid of tin: facts sit forth in the series of papers which led to Mr. Davis's let ter liave plin-id in a nh. ' t public di.-ici.-winu of th li.f.,r.. tlio u-..- My nrw a iriJ jiinl 1 hese interviews resulted ill illtilll.'it and cordial rel itions between Judge lii.u k and iii;. Ii, whost natural conse ijueiice was tin fr.o mid unrestricted outpouring of iiia oj.ii.ii.ns and counsel In itn past, nf nhlefi niv last inteiview with In in wr.s full. Since his death sealed all other sources ol information, I have consented to reproduce the ab si.rbitig features of this conversation. H nv succe-uful this has beon done till- iiml record her. lunde inu-t tell, nly practiced journalists can ap preciate. Ju.lgo.Bliick spoke but as a preface and jirf.logue to the paper he meditated. 1 his tmu.r is lost t. ki.t,.rr lost also to himself and bis defense if defense were needed by a man about whom the controversies of a lifetime had beaten but to leave his memory greener and his fame fresher. I, at least, shall not presume to surest that this conversation can supply the place of the lost ellort of his great powers. It can only reflect its puriaise and purport. oone but Judge Black could fulfill the task Ju.ljfc Black could set himself. No other iiian ran presume to lift his magic wand of power. The bow of I lysses can be bent only bv the hero who had iliutik delight of battle with his foes through thri. tn vears of war fa re. ' fin nntiniili d u imli ace rnliiiis!n:d in ii t re . of Ahiil lin'i piil- r ii k y n.RTiEW ik. Jt.rr tiArin's lei-- TER. Two ilava ln-fore Jmljre lilack wt atricken with the iliaeaw that carried him to hi-i j-rnvo, I drove tip through the Krove hv the Kritvcloil road tliat Jitltdi to Ilrockie. It waa not 9 o'clock in tin-in. irniiiK when I drew rain before the broad porch, upon which at Mrs. Illack and another nu-uihcr of the fam ily. Aa 1 alighted the judjje walked around from the Lack porch, greeted mc cordially, and anid: " iVhut'a up now f "Mr. Pavis Inii jnilili-1,,.,1 a letfer to day which, I think, will intereat vou." 'Tict'a ie it." I hundod him the paper cmitainitij; it, aril he led the way to the front porch, where we could lie ulone. Jle took a teat in a larjre cay chair, and I unother near him. He Itegan readinjr as soon a he aut down, and read the entire letter without aprakins a word. lnrinjr tlio perusal of it his coun tenance betrayed not the slightest idea of the impression the diK-timent was making upon him. As he finished rend ing it, he folded the paper and laid it down by his side. IK took off h a spec tacles, took out the silver tobacco box which he had worn smooth in conver sation of years, and bc-ran timiinjr it nniilly in hia lame hand. He looked olf npou the beautiful fields that stretch away from Ilrockie as fur as the eye can reach, mid simke not a word. For half a mi mi to or more he gazed intently upon the beautiful country side scenes "lieore there was an expression either in his face or his lips, lie finally gave a half audible laugh, shrnpged liis shoulders, as was his want when amused, and said, in that deliberate, forcible way so char acteristic of him : ''Mr. lavU has lost his opportunity, and he can now veneer the truth with twenty years reflection. He ha liwt his temper and likewise hi case. He haj uttered epithets and written obso lete ideas without even giving them new clothes. He must have written in the shadow cf a failing recollection, or his judgment must have been impaired by brooding over the failure of his life. His ruipi r is weak, and were it not for his historical ponition and char acter, it would require no answer from me. Hut Mr. Iavis is a foeman worthv ol any man a iiient as this answer. steel, from and such a docu him compels an JrtMlK BLACK READS MR. PAVtx's LET TKR A SECOND TIME. The judire picked up Mr. Davis's let ter and read a second time the first few paragraphs, and then turned to me and said : When the paper was written that called out this article I said to vou- T do not believe Mr. Iavis would make a willful misstatement for any earthW considerxtion.' I believe no now, for i always found him a fair opponent. Yet, in this letter he betrays a woeful igno ranct? of the fact he undertake to han dle. Time and disappointments must have done their work with his once su perior mind. I have not seen him for more than twenty Years, and speak of him a he appeared to- me before he struck hands with the greatest conspir acy of modern limes. I do not retract a (.ingle word of what I said in the article that provoked Mr. Davis's latest . . i .i . uuerwm-rs. iv me way ne squirms that blow must have hurt. In quoting the paragraph fmni mr utterances two Tears ago, he doe not give all I said." The following is the full paragraph to which Jndjre lilack referred, a art of which Mr. lavis qnoted and made the ba.is nf his answer: When he Uld you that Mr. Buchanan wa timid because he did not giva up the forts in Charleston harbor, h said what was not only inaccurate but ab surd. The AbotitionUu abnse Buch anan because he did not reinforce Sum ter. They, of course, do bins injustice. Bat Mr. IHms now ch&iges him with timidity Ix-cau-e be did not tnmatt the fort and lot secession have everything its own way. That is ridiculous. Mr. iMvis also inake a sinner of his judg ment when he expresses the opinion that if Sumter had beeugiTenqp no other Statu than Smth Carolina would have gone out. In truth and in fact, Mr. IJuvis and all other Secesnionist de sired that evacuation for the sole pur pose of making their predetermined departure easy aud safe. Such a ccn picuou act of eoncesaioa would have been an acknowledgment of their right ti secede, and they would have tum bled out as fast as the could formulate tue ir ordinances. If Mr. lvie will tax. IT Vol. Xlvi. d hU memory litile, he w ill be able to recollect easily enough that bin object in trvin to influence Mr. Buchanan in I that direction wa. to remove an obude irom a pain on wnicn he and tiia con- stitueuts had ma.le up their minds t travel, nomn vamuna tru-'l t bully t,. I m 1.1..... ... t. .. : i .. .1 : ii. n-: .n..,Tuk, ift.ucii, inviuiitii jir. i-ans, triesi to coax linn. Jt u no evi 'imitiii iimniiy mat n rc-u-icu tn.m 1 ootn. ' I find nothing iu Lis rcpiy,'" con tinoed Judge Black, "to justify me in retracting a word of what I said two years ago when reviewing with you his book. If I did 1 would take it back now. Time ha only strengthened nit iu the conviction tliat I was not too hard on Mr. Davis in what I then said." rVrt.TIIKR!ERS t'STRl T. TO PARTY XL I.EUIAXTE ASD CSKAIIHFUL TO pji.mcAt. FEityns. "Mr. Davis and those who acted with him were engaged in the worst conspir acy ever organized for the destruction of a govern men t. Their methods and acts cannot lie too severely criticised. I will 'lui't and say that time has proven ...r. A-a.is was a in neaa lor sucn at tM-en a more hostile demonstration than revolution as the tSecessionists tiegan j this? The order resulting in this chains while Mr. Buchanan waa in the l'resi- j of the states is one of the claims Judge dential chair. I found no excuse for their Black makes for service rendered to the conduct then, and I iiiul lem now. They i I'nion. So it mav deserve to be fol c:crted us in a lime of great peril. j lowed to its cousootic nccs aud viewed I he Southern tiolitical leaders were i in connectinn itl. ...., .... ,t untrue to their iilitical friends of the ...nii. i.t siauuiug irue iiiey couiu have defeat.! the schemes of the Abo , . , '. . because they could not have everything .ii...iiiij ami oreventeu iiiiMMistied : imt .. . . ,,,, , i lucir own way mey ueserieu tlie North ern Itcmocracy at a time when the party ci.-miiig into power hated a Northern Democrat worse than a Southern Seces aiunist. If in the end they were true to each other, I have been at'a loss to dis cover the web of their fidelity. Men who willfully break the law usually tjuar rcl with each other in the cud. "I would not do Mr. Davis an injus tice. He has had enough of that from his own people. But what I said in the original article, I say now that he and the other Scei-ssioiiists were always ply ing Mr. Buchanan with their arguments, entreaties, or threats, as the case might he. That he was able to resist them all and stand true to his constitutional ooligatiou in the most trying ordeal ever forced upon a man. "is n lusiimr tribute to his honor and manhood." "Isn't there a fair chance for argu ment as to whether he did or not." "No, sir. Mr. Buchanan has been more grievously misreoresenteil mnl .;. I. . . , , ' t w ith greater success than any other man 1 J. . , l V -i V , , 1 aVls is a. much responsible for tins as any kinir ir. ;7. .i b- Jieji,.oil oe.ongeu to the I nited States, king bee in the Secession movement. In i was bought and paid for bv them thev a the intrigue with which they hedged j had a f M and undisput.-d" proprietary the 1 resident about while they wcrc.l right to it, which was not impaired in p anning the reU-llion he was chief. the slightert degree bv Sonth fflina'. He enjoyed the I'resident's friendship, i act of secession " Carolina s Willi L'l.l ,...;,l....,l.l.. I., it t -.r ., . .i,-. '"ciice w in "--ci iicsiinwu 10 use mis r'-cr io warp tne i resiaent s acts and j ... v. e-io sun. uie senrmes ot those : with whom and for whom he acted. He signally failed, but he is entitled to no credit for Mr. Buchanan's fiJoJity. The plotting with which the Southern lead ers surrounded the executive gave at once the pretext for and the power to his enemies to successfully assail him. THE IMPfPENT BoUTU CAROl.tXIAyS. "Mr. Davis seems to nut irreut stress i upon the peaceful intentions of South urarthat'lir"80"' v"itzi v--ie "Yes; Mr. Davis and South Carolina were both willing to keep the peace if they could have it npou their own terms. The fact is Mr. Davis and the other Se cessionists would have peace onlv with dismemberment. Those opixtsed to them would have peace only with uniou. The different elements then playing at each oiner were as lar apart as tli lie polca. were au snouting tor iicacc, buti uciiing 10 get into cacn other a hair. It arrogauceof the Southern leaders. He can recall, if he pleases, the threatening attitude of South Carolina and her in sulting proposals to the President, at the very time when he speak of her having these 'peaceful intentions. ' The 'cou- spicuous acts of concession' which were dcircHl of the President, of which Mr. Davis has spoken so much, wou d not have preveiiu-d war but ou.d have -- . -J ur, VOll IV lie influenced. All of Mr. Davis's soph-1 words will not change the judgment of j men upon his acts at that time. No ante-umrtfM epitaph he can now pen will supply the virtue which even his fol lowers could never find. I do not say, nor do I believe, that Mr. Davis did "a dishonorable thing or took an unfair ad vantage then, as he apprehended it; hut I do insist that his counsels and his con duct were steadily against the Union. His present article furnishes evidence enough to justify every expression con tained in my interview with you two years ago, to which he takes exception." MR. PITTS' ABNCRD POSITION IS P.F.I.A TIOXTOTHK FORTS. Judge Black, at this point, again picked up Mr. Davis's letter and read that portion of it referring to the right of eminent domain and asserting the right of South Carolina to the forts in Charleston lftrbor. He read it carefully a broad smile broke over his counte nance, and he said pleaxantly : "Mr. Davis again makes a sinner of his judgment in thi part of his article. His position as to these forts is absurd. He claims that because the government held and guarded its own property in the harbor of Charleston it was a menace to the people of South Carolina. I confess they should have been a menace to those people who were defying the law and trampling upon the authori ty of the government, if reinforcements could have made them so; but these forts, though they had been garrisoned to their fullest complement, were in no sense a menace to the people of South Carolina. As well might he claim that because the Federal government held the capitol at Washington and its other public buildings nd had the means for their defense, that this was an insult to the whole South. This proposition does little credit to Mr. Davis, s large ex perience and superior gifts. If he had learned wisdom from his experience of the laat twenty years, he would not now advance such an argument to justify the ridiculous proposition he and other lead ers made to the President about the Southern defenses a proposition, I am glad to aay, the President never enter tained or mentioned to me as a thing to be seriously considered. As anxious as Mr. Buchanan always was to prevent an open rupture during his term of office he never for a moment thought of yield ing to the demands, entreaties or threats of tha Secessionists. I admit that he was far more lenient with them than I would have been, or advised him to be. He hesitated about reinforcing the forts when he should have acted promptly. MR. BL-CUAKAX'S CoSSCTEXTIOCS lOJT DCCT. "But yon must understand that he was peculiarly surrounded. The South had helped make him President. He had lifelong friendships there, and it was ne easy matter to act harshly toward people at whose hands he had received so much. He often thought I wa un iasonable, even severe, toward bth the SewsiooisUand Abolitionists. I presume I was, for I meant to be." Mr. Buchanan and I were trying to reach the same end by difterent methods. Widely as we oc casionally differed, 1 can say that to charge him with unfaithfulness to the Union is the foulest slander that was ever nttered. To intimate that he ever acted without the sanction of his con science, from any feeling akia to fear ...... uaiu i ear . tor bis personal safety, is a cross (Hit rage upon the truth. . upon the truth. He ha,3f less care threat against hi. life than any man ver knew, and if he could at a" for l ever time have saved his country from war he would have yielded up hi, life as wiIIingdy -Aahe would har rone to hM bed.. I have often heard him say that la CM. luip Tor m r I luvi. tn k-nId . ...... ...h the n,cnfl intent; f Vkl . Iu",v "'"'"g tue federal '"Y " maae it a pretext for the Ists of that ttnii. IIa Uhvu Kniia. tl... i. ..t . r .. . i.iuu vou. iii tne nuglitv events any man livinif of the lmnudenee and : .....i. ..i..6 - l,T,llH nona 01 tne letters tnreatening insure, ! - of which he received a great many, ever i THE t")STRAT bet'a-ee. juik;e black made him lose a moment's rest." " I Ajrr -.0Avi3 is jfATTEB-sor dctt. -How well doe. Sir. Curtis make thme -"The most amusing line. I can read fact, manifest m hi biography, of Mr. i Mr. Davis's lteCre jthose which re Boihaaaar' f et to mtafuUw . - i Ti if Jacksox, Mississippi,WEbNi3bAY, "I have not vet read Mr.Onrrts-alm.V and I am not piing to sar a word about it ont.l I lo manuscript, and I have no doubt that ! . oea oi ii in ibt that r,' Mr. Curv has done hi work have read some of tb .riri.-i.tn. upon i ,! that work, to w hich I am roine tfl reply . .. r . t ., . . . . . c ' : i.-r i rea'i liie bif.K. ISut 1 I am. hrst - , going to di-jwc of Mr. la jTIE felPutME IMrLUESCB OP TUE J - J 1 . I . .. . " luuiw a rain lUCKCd UI llie tanrt auu icau a ! via ttie lo owinr tur graph: It w ill In remeniltcred that the gov ernment of fSouth Carolina, resting under the asntiraiu-e that both the Fed eral and rotate government would not t attempt to make a change so a-, to dis turb the existing condition of affairs, allowed the unoccupied forts to remain as they were and forebore to seize Fort cumter wtiea it was without a gamsou. :he remonstrated when the mirrison of Fort Moultrie, after having dismantled it, spiked the cruris mid hurncd tha r r. i riages, was removed under cover of J night to Fort Sumter. Could there have - s-"i ij.i. inn .uieous It occurred when South Carolina, nopetul of a peaceful solution of all t :p - - - "i . is.li iuiicui iita niosr (listunriitst.uH .u : 0'--..v ni,o Bn OUIUIl.SlUl' j era to visit and confer w ith the Preri (lent. !ier proof cannot be needful that South Carolina had no design to attack Fort Moultrie or take other ag gressive action. Mr. Buchanan, with the keen perception of a patriot desiiv !ng to avoid civil war, saw the danger which this movement portended, and, with the sensibility of a man of honor, shrank from the imputation of bad faith. Therefore he wrote to the com missioners of South Carolina on the 3o'th of December, lHtjO; "When I learned that Maj. Anderson had left Fort Moul trie and proceeded to Fort Sumter, my first prompting were to command him to return to his former position and there to jtwait contingencies presented in his instructions." The President men proceeded to notice the rapidly occurring events which followed this I act. for which it iu or...- l.nn...n l.A . i ' " - - .....-.. i ijt: nn not responsible; To enforce the pro jprietyof retaining a fort built to pro- t -i wir iiar.Hir ami citv or Chanei-iton vi iu ri-KiirutMa mere as a means of defense, hut was eonsid- utter it hihl reM-Knl to i j . t i""1 a me"ao,' "n(I maintaiHed to destroy. Jude Clack asserts that the " in tins .Mr. Davis touches upon a matter about which I propose to have considerable to sav. If there was any thiiiL' .it tlmt time thal'illllstrstnfl thn supreme lmpuuence of the Secessionists, it was their demand that Maj. Ander son should not be permitted to leave fort Moultrie. He acquit the Presi dent of the responsibility of granting permission to Maj. Anderson to occupy Sumter in case his judgment so dictated, and lays the charge at my door. I father the resiionsibilitv if n..;i.;i;i. :.. noo.,,.. ,.i... ... ' v.- . " 'th h..; r "?."'" . .. ...v. muutc 1.0 Hirengtnen tlie hands of that little band of Federal s Idlers in Charleston harbor, I cannot sec it so. Whether the President in tend, il that the orders to Maj. Ander son should lie so framed us tn .ri,ro i,;,n I the right to move into Sumter,! cannot ; say. Put when I wrote the order, sush , was my intention, and 1 have no ex cuses ui oner lor that act.. If it ..r. yoked war, as Mr. DavU declares it Hid it was because those who w tl. ,iti government crime of rc- then chas- suceession, 1 played no part which lias the more cor dial approval of mv conscience to-day than iu framing that order that carried Maj. Ander.sou from Fort Moultrie to mi uuiiiuir. itnac Mr. Uavis savs atotit thn ..x,.,...l . .: c -. w.. . 11". . v. Carolina t.mceer lin. Tww. . i f Zlt lnus The l'ri,Ut kTI I. . witlft, 'Sples thecmm tXJ HQ table 1 hey were simply three resnor. gentlemen whom the President treated civillv. mid thn ,i importance ne"ver justified by the facts." THE BACKIXU ASD FILLIXG OF ANTE WAR POLITICIANS. Here the great jurist sat back in his chair, and, for a minute, turned his tobacco-box rapidly, without Skying a word. He then leaned forward again, and, with great emphasis, said: "How much trash is often accepted as history. I see that Davis' proves that Douglas was in favor of surrendering the forts of the South to the Secession ists. The speech from which he quotes was delivered in the Senate by Douglas after the Lincoln administration came in. I never saw it before, but I read it now as a part of the record of that time, when many of our best men were afraid to m ike war, and did not know how to maka peace. I do not view these things with pleasure, but the truth should be written. Davis also quotes Gen. Scott as bjing in favor of giving up the forts in Charleston harbor. I have no doubt but that Scott occasionally so expressed himself, for he got on all sides of almost every question then arising. "The authorities Mr. Davis quotes do not convince me that I was wrong in urging the President to promptly rein force the Southern defences. They sim ply show how much backing and filling there was by public men in those trou bled times. HOW THE FSFOECEMEST OF FEDERAL LAWS WAS PREVENTED. He quotes Maj. Anderson to sustain his case, and then contrasts his peaceful attitude and my beligerent course, as he terms it. In this part of his assault I find a significant sentence, the purport of which is that I should have anticipa ted that the advice I gave would result in a conflict of arms, and he savs mv advice to the President about the em ployment of an army and navy to en force the authority of" the United States was given under the poor pretext that it was to aid the officers of the United States in the execution of the laws, knowing that no cases existed or could arise under existing circumstances, there being no United States officers in South Carolina by whom civil process could be issued. This sentence betrays the policy of the Sontheru leaders. They did not intend that there should bo any Federal officers in South Carolina to sus tain the execution of the laws. They had taken good care that they, by pre concerted arrangement, should resign on the 1st of December, and that no others should be commissioned. True, there was no one authorized to issne or execute civil processes. The President had already declared his richt to enforce the laws through the Federal agents, by the use of the military arm if nm-jw it was a part of their plan to prevent the government from havings represen tative there to tu.-tain in the enforce ment ot the laws, lo meet this emer-i gency the President appointed a resolute 1 man as Collector of Customs at Charles- i ton, intending to send him to South i Carolina to collect the revenue, and to the last extremity sustain him in doing I - H was nominated to the Senate, i and the Abolitionists united with the' Secessionists and rejected him. This! act was notice to theexecutira that both parues were agreed in the determina tion to keep bouth Carolina free from Federal ogicers wo could he sustain..! m maintaining th. ri;.,.,, r .1 . r f " megov- and with w hom A he ?hus 7n . T' k ,Cted ere VJt 5 tl? ! were doinw itf nllV Vh iT7 iu-T j J ?f oLdat is for advantage in the irtme of tW lution. e-e 01 revo- " . .... .' ,m.,,-m ' 1 - 'TV.. . , .. eL Jjt.I auikiint i did he otH-ad araiast the lett ot the I nitcd fcutea Coot4t a l had j sworn ta support." ! . ''Time at List sets all thiuxn "It has takeu Mr. I)avU r re than twenty years to bring me tt t:e block, liis effort is as amusiag ss. were the antics and sayings of 'Kip Van Winkle' to the plain country pouple among whmn h avulip nf kia IvmiI srMm slumber. He brings news to the Amer ican people in the charge uymt which be arraigns me. If, as he says, I violated my oath of office because I denied the right of secession, ared the l'reaident to protect government property in the bouth and pnuub all offenam against the laws of the land, I aai flad of It. I should do the same thing agaia, if called upon to act in a like eawrgency. But what does Mr. Davis say of hia actsT Jt they can now meet the approval I f nl conscience be most have au elastic ! one- He was a Senator ef the I" sited cans wuiie ue was in mc conspiracy to uesiroy tne government, ate was plead ing tor pece wnne ne was planning war. it is too iaie now xor ii tin to ex hibit hw ingenious argmuenta in the Senate fur a peaceful solution of the difficulties while he was plviug the Pres- tueni witu pernicious advice and en deavoring to influence him Us disregard bis constitutional ubllaatioiu. U is indv- anewt jaluTiB tT-Kirelr let go it Ltii ou uis passions wnen ne penned tlat cha'ge, or he may have been trying to l f. ....... If - i . ntni vioiaxioB oi uiy oath, or even a straining of the proprie ties of my position, that I fought by night aud by day the scheme of the Secessionists, Mr. Ihtvis has done me a f eat service by proclaiming it. I wUh could bring soma charge against him, touching his conduct ia that crisis, that would be as much to his credit. If his conclusions in this, his last paper, were as sounu a nia aitacK upon me is vicious, I might say that he is a great and good man. He haa struck so wild ly, however, that "His passions and Lis virtue, lie eonfnt And inix'd t cethrr in o wild a tumslt mm mr note nina ia qu I aisbgureti ia hiui. JtTno ni.Ai-K's i-oxF&Hfiiox or a keri- CVS MISTAKE. The Judge here chanired the subject ! and talked for a few minutes upon per sonal matters in nowise connected with the subject he had been treating. He then relapsed into a thoughful mood again, and for a little time looked stead ily away beyond the fertile fields that front the home of his manhood, as if trying to reach the far-off mountains that rise about the home of his child hood. At laat he straightened himself up and then settled himself' back con tentedly into the great splint-bottom chair in which he sat, and said: "Surely I o-ught to be satisfied. The more this kettle ia stirred the more savory the smell to me. Every new development of the inside history of that time convinces me that I was true to myself and my countiy, and I can truly say Whatever record leaps to light, I nevet will be shamed. I can. after all those years, look back upon my conduct ia that crisis and feel that I neTer swerved a hair's breadth from my duty, as I discovered it at the outset of those troubles. Mind. I do not mean to say I made no mistakes, for I did. I was guilty of at least one seri ous blunder. Yet I do not see how, without more than human foresight, I could have cleared that breaker. This, however, does not excuse the mistake which I made by giving too hasty an opinion upon a most important sub ject." "What was it f "It was just after the election of i860 - cveu before any Southern State had taken a decided step toward secession. Oue of the Senators from South Caro lina left the Capitol iu a huff declaring ; that the election of Mr. Lincoln meant civil war, and that he would no longer serve in the Senate. This was the first significant act pointing to secession, and it made an impression on Mr. Buchanan's mind. Very. soon after it occurred he took occasion to say to me: "Judge, have these people any right to secede? Do you find any warrant in the constitution for a State's withdraw ing from the Federal Union T' "None on earth," I replied. "This Union can never be destroyed except by fire and sword." . "I am glad that your opinion is in ex act accord with mine upon that subject," said he. "I have been giving this mat ter a great deal of thought, and now that you agree with me I am convinced that my conclusions are sound. The tnion is indissoluble." "This Union," said I "ia perpetual. Of course, it may be brokeu up bv revo lution, but not by peaceful mcthoils. If there is anything settled by argument it is that the compact between the State is in no sense like a business partner ship that may be dissolved by the action r or y aPPal Court of Equity." . - r THE STATURE OF JUDGE bACK'8 MIS TAKE. ' - - "Sis: "We discussed the subject hi this vein for a few minutes, and Mr. Buchanan ex pressed himself with great frankness, all the time assuming that the peaceble secession of a State was not possible. Finally he turned to me and said: "Ought not the executive to state his conclusions upon this subject, so that the people may know the exact attitude of my administration?" -s Most assuredly," I replied. -vou should do so clearly and forcibly. The country should understand that you oc cupy no equivocal, position, but are severly opposed to secession." ' How shall it be done by proclama tion or in the message to Congress r said the President. "In the message," was my response. I spokeperhaps, without proper reflection ; but Congress was soon to convene and the message was being prepared. A great question was to be dealt with and a grave crisis to be met. Therefore, my first impression was that it would be more dignified to deal with it ia the mes sage, and so I answered. , If I had said 'By proclamation.' he would have un doubtedly have said, 'Write itf or, if he had written it himself the result would have been the same. A ringing docu ment from the first line to the last would have been prepared, as was done in the L tah case. It need not have been a half column. Such -a paper conld and would have stated conclusions so powerful as to have stayed the madness of secess on when in its infancy. I do not say that it would have altered the course of the leaders, but it would hare bad a striking effect upon their constiuency. The pe pie then would not have pushed nor even followed them. I did not dis cover the breadth of my mistake until it was too late. When I said 'In the mesfage,' I had not weighed the power ful influence that waa to surround Mr Buchanan for the balance of his term. 1 do not mean to say that that fa,l-u. ever lived. : But-the wwearioBista were ever able and alert. They lost no op portunity tonlv th. !,; r seditious artsand when he eameto J w mat icature of the mceeage which dealt with the Sonthem .L . , - . , . WITT should argue qcftrtioos that had beea set- 1.1111 v 111 tne idi l L uw "ie iouuoation of the rovera ment, instead tif stating conctasitme that the humblest mii-lit lun r- I and un derstood. Sounj thtugo his arguments were, they were liai's to BHseoiistrue lioa, and the-force of his view was lost, as finally prese&led in W message. "They became a two-edged sword that cut deepest ia the wrong direction. It was a serious mi?p!ay ef j augment, both on his part and mine, . I was aat re sponsible for his finai action, for I did my best to induce him to pronounce sentence upon the h - -f -esion, rather than fill hia S r Pro found a rjrn meats would not read or a fault, however, for by the boras by a..' e ft -u: -.a-: ivt at but uon. rsuca a dix reached the peop' that time favored sai-e reached on! gress, and those w Diined upon rebV bt judgment, ra:L September 26, I di J mt plead thar in stay f execta-j tion. The a'imtrus&ntuoH iluMui luvei f reached the American iwl bv sio : e Ltast oo the thrrho!d of d aupr, to t Ur ; liiai wooiu aave a-vui-eiiCJ I -no, la tuf I penis of the hour, and streugtuencd the I - . ... . I- btui vi liic povcrnuH-ni in its ptnniiigi struggle with both the Abolitionists and the iSeecastoiusta. But then, "The ccaJes are rarely tufa adjusted When self ths wavering LaUnoc shakes. THE Mur MPl-DEXT PttOPvfcsITlOJt IS HI&TORT. "Perhaim most men wmild lmw done just what was done iu this I instance, for the SecessiouisU had I not then shown their bands and be- i gaa hedging the President about with toeir insidious Plottinrs. When thev began, what they could not do by direc- 1 ;n i. . .. .in. iuef were wining to uo dv indirec tion, and sir. Davis was a leading actor in mis game. He even assumed to speak for South Carolina iu her attempt to negotiate with the President about her forts in Charleston harbor. By his own admission he tried to induce the President to hand over the govern ment property in the South to the men who had then stolen the best part of it, and were coupiring to destroy tho gov erniueut and even then were openly and shaaielt-wly defying its authority. This patriot pledged his life as a ransom for the care and preservation of tli nort.-i-! bio j'.ropt-ny lu'theTorts Of XliarksloU harbor provided the President would yield to the demand of the SecesMtanista and turn over this proDertv to them. It was the most impudent nronosition ever made by mortal man, to ask the executive of a nation to w ield up a post capable of defense to the enemies of the government he represented. Once in Cabinet meeting I said that there had never been a period in the history of the Enclish nation w hen anv minister could propose to give to an enemy of ius government a military post w hich was capable of bcin? defendi.! without being brought to the block. This was exactly what Mr. DavU solicited the l resident to do while he was a Snntor of the United States. Yet he now, as then, pleads his cunuinr words in stsv of judgment and to prove his 'peaceful intentions.' They will not stand to his credit when contrasted with his acts. BUCHAXAN'S TIMIDITY. "Aft:r I found that the President was convinced that it was his dutv to arzue these questions in the message I tried to recover lost ground. So, when he called upon me for my leeal opinion upon this subject, I tried to prepare such a paper as should have been issued at the pro clamation. v nen tne rresident saw it he found that the terms were entirely too strong for him. He did not dissent from mv conclusion-., but lie said if he followed them it would increase the bit terness between the factions. I recall an expression he made while discussing v, ii iiio.siiuii.-s uis position exacuv. 'I desire,' said he 'to itand lietween tlie factions like a davsmnn. with mv hand on the head of each, counselinir peace. We had our first real difference over this paper. He took it and insisted upon a formal legal opinion npon the right of secession. Thus I failed to im press upon his State paper of that year, the strong views I knew he entertained on the subject of secession, but hesi tated to express for fear of further arousing the temper of both factions, who sat irrowlinz and ready to snrino at. each other's throats." . THE ABOLITIONISTS AND SECESSIONISTS JUDGE BLACK OX SLAVERY. "You speak of the Abolitionists and Secessionists in one breath?" "Yes, they were both alike. Neither had any respect for the "constitution when it stood in the way of their schemes. One proclaimed it a league with death aud a covenant with hell, and the other as grossly insulted the fundamental law of the "laud by asserting- the right, of secession. I revcr-v and always did, the constitution, and a profound respect for the law possesses my whole being. I have no patience with any man. Xorth or South, who proclaims his disregard of the law. 1 always abhorred slavery, but the law sanctioned it, and it was my duty to sus tain tne legal right. 'I would not have a slave to till mrvrnnnd- To carry me, to fan me while aslei A J . I , auu M-eiiii-it wnen I waKe. tor all the wealth That sinews boui-ht and' so d have over earned. No. dear a freedom is. an.l in mv hpurt'. Justes imste prized ubove all nrice. I had much rath-r be myself tne slave. "These lines ever represented my feel ings upon this institution. The consti tution recognized it, and I recognized its legal right. None of my family or relatives had auy interest in" slaves," ex cept McDonald, of New Orleans, aud he owned them only to preach to them." "You surprise me, because I had al ways understood that you were pro slavery." "Never. I only tolerated the idea because the law recognized it. It should have been gotton rid of without vio lence and bloodshed, as was done in Pennsylvania and other Northern States. I was always ia favor cf its abolition, but couli' never bring myself to look upon the Abolitionists in any other light than as enemies of the gov ernment, because I knew and saw in their acts and utterances pending revo lution. - Time and the mad occurrences of the past twenty years have confirmed my judgment" Judire Black discussed at some lencrth fthis question, and reverted to the John lirowa raid, to relate to me an interest ing conversation he had with Gen. Lee wheu that officer was returning to Wash ington affr the military operations at Harper's Ferry in 1859." It is so Ipng that I shall leave it, and some time write of it ia another article. JACOB THOMPSON, COBB, DAVIS. FLOYD AND After he had finished speaking upon these points, Judge Blaci' continued : "It will not do at this day for Mr" Davis to write about the 'peaceful in tentions' of himself and his fellow-Se-cet-siouists. Their assault upon the gov ernment, was deliberate and pre-deter-mined, and their cries of peace, while they were for war, unless they could have their own w ay, were only the vapor with which they hoped to envelop their real purposes. Mr. Davis began early after Mr.- Lincoln's election to u.-sre his riews upon tne President, and he wa recognized among the Secessionists as their m-it important agent. Uobb wa one ot tne worst becessionists I ever knew, and oneof the ablc3t men. Thomp son, a Southerner, was also in the Cab inet, a man of integrity and superior mwBn .fU..! I l' 1 r". . 1 - r r"iv - auu iuup mnuence. Mr. Davis was called to 't;n from Mississippi by hi Southern friends m the Cabinet, that they might have their most potent advocate near the ex ecutive while the message was being vvvaria wail Uf n J : J a, 1 a -a . K..p..cu. iW uiu me won ot bis clan most faithfully, and beraua h AA succeed he assaulted the President after the message was read, and never until now, that I ever heard of, appear as hi sucuuii. xom mt. .Buchanan was trofig enough to resist the appeals of Davis and his fellows, brave enough to defy their arrogance, and clear-headed enough to escape the traps with which surrounded him is to hi? lasting credit. They did him great injnutice then, and they have never repented that I know of. They enveloped him in an atmos phere an d irmve a coloring to some of hia acta 1 :ia.t the facta did not justify. They furnished the ammunition by which he has been successfully slandered from that day to this. Mr. Davis calls him self an old friend of Mr. Buchanan. This, indeed, is the acme of sarcasm." BLACK'S EyORD CLEAB. Judge Hack spoke deliberately, but witn great emphasis, while relating these important incidents of his service in Mr. Buchanan s Cabinet upon the eve of the rebellion. I wrote them down with much care after leaving him, because in many conversations with him on the same subject within the past few rears, be had never before spoken of this first ri-atof the States to secede fi-Vnn the never aUuded to it before, when he said - I would rather have slept forever un- ec uowor grossest Biwapprehcn w tiaa havt appeared in the auimd f 1883. No. 39- a critic upon tlieacUof mychif while his. inemorT was bein' bemtiirrhed -without - i iuntice nr txath. Mr. Hm-liinin'i hirv. raf hcr has doubtless made hi'rewrd j perfectly clear. A presentation of the i neriectiy clear. A Tnr-fin i fact U ail that m oecssaxy. Every day i-l -.,. . . - .. t . ' tue iaiiuiut record ot toosc times is le- coming clearer and clearer. The testi mony 11 post which acts must be judged U coming gradually. I am wiliioe to stana ey tne record. After twenty years of reflection upon mr conduct 1 can say that it meets the cordial appro- ai 01 my conscience. THE MOST PAISFUL ISCttEST 0 JUDGE FLACE.'J CAREER. ! lhc conversation then drifted into some minor details ot Ius early aenocia- tion w-tth Mr. Stanton, and how he got ootn ctauton and Holt into the Cabinet to aid him in hia conflict with theSecea siouiste, who were enveloping Buchanan, "as w ith a cloud." He spoke pointedly and characteristically of the events of those days, but did not dwell with par ticular emphasis upon any of them un til he introduced the story of the Cabi net crisis that took place on December 2, 18J0, when Mr. Buchanan had pre pared his answer to the so-called South Carolina Commissioners. When the Judge began upon this important part of u.s punuy career ne again spose witB peat deliberation rjnd caruestuesK, say ing "The most pahtful incident of my lone atsciatiation with Mr. Buchanan took place the day after he had read his answer to the i?outh Carolina Commis sioners in Cabinet meeting, on the 21Hh of December, I860. I recall with great uistinciness tue scene in the Cabinet when that paper was read. It fell upon me like the kick of a mule. The South ern members were almost as much dis turbed. None of ua said a great deal about it, because all of lis knew bv er- perience that when Mr. Buchanan "made up his mind he was immovable. No man ever filled the Presidential office who knew better than he did how to en force the respect due to his position, and I know of no one more tenacious of his opinion w hen his judgment was fix ed. He was absolute master in his own house. Therefore, when that Cabinet meeting adjourned. I did uot believe it possible that our official relations could continue. I .spent the most miserable and restive night of my life. My mind was in wild tumult, and I arose the next morning determined to resign before night. I called on Stanton, Holt and Toucey, and expressed to them mv ex ceeding disappointment at the Presi dent's letter, and announced to them t hat I should that day leave the Cabinet. Stanton said he also should go, and Holt would have gone, although he did not say so. What Toucey would have done I do not know. When he entered the Cabinet, and through his entire service, he seemed determined to have no opin ion crosswise from the President's. He might have stayed. As soon as I parted with Toucey he went to the White House, and informed the President of my intentions, and of what had taken place between Stanton, Hoit and myself. INTERVIEW BETWEES BUCHAXAN AKD BLACK OX THR SOUTH CAROLINA PAPER. "Mr. Buchanan at once requested mv presence; but I hesitated to go, for "I knew the temper and strength of the apenl he would make to me. I felt that he would place his demand that I remain by his side upon such grounds of personal friendship that it would make it almost impossible.for me to leave him without laying myself open to the charge of having deserted a friend who had greatly honored and trusted me, at a time when he was under the shadow of the greatest trouble of his life. He sent a second tim. .,.,1 r I found him greatly distressed, and his first words were: " 'Is it true you arc going to desert me f " 'It is trae-thas-j was my reply. lam overwhelmed to know, said he, that you, of all other men, are go ing to leave me in this crisis. You are from my own State, my closest political and persona! friend. I have leaned upon you in these troubles as upon none other, and I insist that you shall stand by me to the end.' "Uc reviewed our association, and made such personal appeal to me as I knew he would when I responded to his summons. After he was through. I replied: 6 ' - " 'Mr. President, from th fi-t r i.j . , wm. . uou determined to stand by you aud with you to ueaui ana destruction, if need be. 1 promised myself that as long as there was a button on your coat I would elino- to it. But your action has t it-.t. button off and driven me away from you.' bat do vou refer to? said he. XourreDlv to th K...,ti. . r t- Commissioners. That document k. powder that has blown your Cabinet to the four winds. The Southern members will leave because you do not concede what they ask, and your conclusions make it impossible for them to stay. The paper is even harder upon the Northern members of your political households It forces the Southern men out, and you cannot ask that we stay. I would not leave you for any earthly consideration, so long as I could stay bv you with self-respect, but I cannot do if the paper you have prepared is sent to the gentlemen from South Carolina.' "The President seemed surprised that I took this document so much to heart, and I confess it took all the determina tion I had to announce to him my de cision with relation to it, for his manner toward me was kind, and his appeal to tne earnestness itself. To mv surprise, he did not even argue the points of my objection, as I expected he would. lie heard me without a word, and when I had finished, said : "Judge, you speak the words of my heart. I recognize the force and justice of what you say. The letter to the oouiu v-aroiina commissioners my tongue dictated not my reason. But I feel that we must not have an open rupture. We are not prepared for war, and if war is provoked Congress cannot be relied upon to strengthen my arm, and the Union must utterly perish." "But, Mr. President by your position, and bo'ldly, with your judgment." He did not hesitate a moment;, Dut turned to me, and said .1. 0Lur agnation is the one thing that shall not be. I will not, I, cannot part with you. If you go, Holt and fetanton will leave and I will be in a sorry attitude before the country. This is the greatest trouble I have vet had to bear. Here, take this paper and modify it to suit yourself; but do it before the snn goes down. Before I sleep to-night - " uow uon 1 11 is matter is arranged to your satisfaction." "I left Mr. Buchanan and went direct ly to my othce. I confess that even after what the President said T h al not much hope that he would adopt my radi al news; out i sat aown and wrote a memorandom, giving my objection to the paper, and Stanton copied it for me. I sent the original to the President, and retained the copy." TEXT OF MR. BLACK'S OBJECTIONS TO BUCH A S A S'S AKS WEE TO THESOCTH C AEOLUS A COMMISSIONERS. This important paper is now "of pecu bar historical article that has called out Mr. Davis's response. It is endorsed on the back in Mr Stanton's own handwrit ing: "Observation nn mrnsin.M,l.n. T.: dent, South CoroJina commissioners by J. 8. B." - ' As the words of Jndmi BWV atv.w quoted were called out in this, onr laat interview by recent criticism on Mr. Curtis Life of Buchanan, it is neces sary to a complete understanding of the subject that this memorandum should appear with this record, the more so be cause Mr. Curtis fails to give it in his nere is tne lull text : Memorandum for the President on the subject of the paper drawn up bv him in reply to the Commissioners of South Carolina: First The first and the concluding paragraph both seem to acknowledge the right of South Carolina to be repre ented near this government bv diplo matic officers. That implies that she is an independent nation, with no other relations to the government of the I mon than any ot iier foreim power. IV aonk ls..-t ll. t .l -I - " it, tuaa tut bas m- quired all the rights, powers and rwryin aibilities of a separate rovernm.st k- the mere ordinances of seressiota which passed her convention a few diys ago. But the President has always, and par ticularly in his late message to Congreaa denied the right of secession and as serted that no State could throw orl her Federal obligations in that way. More over, the President has also very dis tinct; y declared that even if a State could secede and go out of the Union at pleasure, whether by it volution r in the exercise of a constitwtioBal right, he could not recognise her indepen dence without being puiltv of Q urpa tioo. I think, therefore, that every word and waitencsj which imply that South Carolina is in an attitude which cb.. the I resident t- lru.it or ne gotiate with her or to receive her com missioner's in tne character ot diplomat ic ministers or agents, ought to be stricken out. and an explicit declara tioa suhstitued which would reassert the principles of the messarv. It L sarely not enough that the words of the message be transcribed it the doctrine there announced be practically abaa- uooeu or carrying on a negotiation. Second I would strike ont all ex pres&ious of regret that the commission ers are unwilling to proceed with the negotiations, since it is very clear that there can be no negotiation" with them, whether they are willing or not. Third Above all thincs, it is objec tionable to intimate a willingness to ce- . . j . - : . I. ii. S . . . Kunaio auu iuo cistic ur fuuiQ Caro lina about the possession of a military post which belongs to the United Stau-s. or to propose any adjustment of the subject or any arrangement abont it The forts in Charleston harbor belong to this government are itn own and cacnot be given up. It is true they might be surrendered to a supcrior force, whether that force be in the ser vice of a seceding State or a foreign nation. But Fort Sumter is ii.r-e-va-, ble and cannot lie tsfci - ' i t , it should be. It is s !.,.; ' importance that it ' ' If all the powef-cf ... - i . . . , it; for the command of the harbor and the Presidents ability to execute the revenue laws may depend on it. fouriu 1 ne worn -coereme a state by force of amis to Tcni.uii iu the Condfederacy, a power which I do not believe the Constitution has conferred on Congress," ought certainly not to be retained. Thev are too vacue. and might have the effect (which I am sure the President does not intend) to mislead the commissioners concerning his sentiments. The power to defend the public property, to rest an assailing force with unlawful attempts to drive out the troi.ps of the United Sutes from one of the fortifications, and to use mili tary and naval forces for the United Sutes iu the execution of the laws, this. as far as it goes, is coercion, and may very well be called the "coercing a State by force of arms to remain in the Inion." The President haa always as serted his right of coercion to that ex tent. Jle merely denies the wcht of congress to make oticnsive war upon a State of the Union, as such minht lie made upon a foreign government. Fifth The implied assent of the Pres ident to the accusation which the com missioners make of a comnact with South Carolina, by which he was bound nit to take whatever measures he saw fit for the defense of the forts, ought to be stricken out, and a flat denial of anv such bargain, pledge, or aereement in serted. The paper sijined bv the late memliers of Congress from South Caro lina does not bear such construction, and this, as I understand, is the only. transaction between South Carolina and him which bears upon the subject either directly or indirectly. I think it deeply concerns the President's reputation tnat he should contradict this statement. since, if it be undenied, it puts him in the attitude of an executive officer who voluntarily disarms himself of the power to perform his duty, and ties his hands so that be cannot, without break ing his word, "preserve, protect and de fend the Constitution, and see the laws faithfully executed." The fact that he pledged himself in any such way cannot lie true. The commissioners, no doubt, have been so informed. But there must be some mistake about it. It arose, doubtless, out ef the President's anxious and laudable desire to avoid civil war. and his often-expressed determination not even to furnish an excuse for an outbreak at Charleston by reinforcing Maj. Anderson unless it was absolutely necessary. s!:i tl. . ... : , j n 7 K jCAPicaii.uii.QL &! uuuui, uuuui iuuj. jiuuerson s periect propriety of behavior should be care fully avoided. He is not merely a gal lant and meritorious officer who is en titled to a fair hearing before he is con demned; he has saved the country, I solemnly believe, when its day was dark est and its perils most extreme. He has done everything that mortal man could do to repair the fatal error which the administration has committed in not sending down troops enough to hold the forts. He has kept the strongest one. He still commands the harbor. We may still execute the laws if we try. Be sides, there is nothing in the orders which were sent to him by the War De partment which is in the slightest degree' contravened by his act of throwing his command into Fort Sumter. Even if these orders, sent without your knowl edge, did forbid him to leave a place where his men might have perished and shelter them under a stronger. position, we ought all of us to rejoice that he broke such orders. Seventh The idea that a wrong was committed against South Carolina bv moving from Fort Moultrie to Fort! Sumter, ought to be repelled as firmly j as may be consistent with a proper re-! spect for the high character of the gen-! tlemen who compose the South Carolina commission. It is a strange assumption of right on the part of that State to say that our United States troops must re main in the weakest position they can find in the harbor. It is not a menace of South Carolina or of Charleston, or a menace at all. It is simply self-defense. If South Carolina does not attack Maj. Anderson no human being will be in jured. For there certainly w ill be no reason to believe that he will commence hostilities. The apparent objection to his being in Fort Sumter is that be will be less likely to fall an easy prev to his assailants. These are the points on which I would advise that the paper lie amended. I am aware that they are too radical to permit much hope of their adoption. If mey are adopted the whole pajer will need to be recast. But there is one thing not to be overlooked in this terri ble crisis. I entreat the President to order the Brooklyn and the Macedonian to Charleston without the least delay, and in the meantime to send a trusty messenger to Mai. Anderson tn let him know tnat his government will not de sert him. I he reinforcement of troops front New York or Old Point Comfort should follow immediately. If this be done at once all may yet be not well. out comparatively sale, if not, 1 can see nothing before us bnt disaster and ruin to the country BUCH AS AS SEVER ADMITTED SECES SION. "li it true that this letter to which you objected recognized the right cf secession. "No! no! a thousand times no f said Judge Black, with great emphasis. "It 19 a gross libel upon the truth to assume that Mr. Buchanan's letter acknowl edged the right of secession. Thi was a question upon which his judgment was fixed, at the beginning of the troubles and never modified. The paper was so unsatisfactory to the South ern members that they were bound to go. This certainly would not have been their conclusion if the President j had acknowledged the kernel of the principle they were contending for. My objections to'the paper were that it dal lied with the enemies oi the government, implied certain diplomatic rights of South Carolina that could not exist, and yielded points that, were unfair to the President's position. Thev were in the same sense sack an - offere against mv views and the principles I wa contend ing should be maintained, that I could not with self-respect have remained in tne cabinet, bad they been sent out as the judgment of the administration. But my objection can be fully read in my memorandum to the President upon this subject, and nowhere in it will von find an intimation that justifies the as sumption that Mr. Buchanan ever re cognized the right of a State to t cede. "The President accepted this paper and framed his answer to the so-called Siuth Carolina commissioners to an i 1 the points I had wised against it. Thus the crisis, the greatest in all my public service, waa aafdy passed. The reply that Mr. Buchanan made to the o-called commissi nor was such a rebuke to their pretensions that they returned as an swer so inr. iiltirg ia term that the Cb mn UBanimocpf y sustained the Prei lent ta But rtceivieg it. i ' n Co Tier . ---. BETWEEN -Star, AND JCDOK BLACK. PIT "Tr7 ft'' tYu the Soutle-n member, went out. We got Gen. DU Su vely, kdcom ively plain sai hng from that time wuUhe UncoUadnuWatioareliev. Dix mnA T . . d b. rn4 wroteme afteVu - in atnaewom irtf.d r..n Ate letter. Z7.. ,KY ? pn- Balek V'"" ni y Judge to and Iv Judre -nri-. tv : i,r6 ' 1 Ofimoa ot the Cab- as tt waaat thedoseof sdnuetration. . As a mot in"! upon Judir, Black's referenced thV.d. f013- ker, the nal, with an indorsement in Tod, handwriting on the hack. 3 WEST TWEXTT-l iaST STiEFT Ta the Bon. J. S. Black: Mr DeaeSir I did not intend that our recent association should terminate without taking leave of you. But 1 1 ft Washington J suddenly, " and immedi ately after surrendering the Treasury to Mr. Chase. I shall look back to our brief but gratifying connection with the late admistration w ith sincere pleasure, and cannot bnt think things might have' been left on a better fooling if th Cab inet, with which it closed,' could have had six months instead ot six week to shape its policv. But I Wtr vou to un derstand that a am speakiug' in In-half of mv associates rather than mv own. I shall be very much chacrined and offended if you come to this citv without letting me know it. Hoping to see you I am, dear tar sincerely vours. . - John A. Div. Pudorsf.ment.. Gtri.john-Jl,. Xj Mi ,'.- 1 lis I .' Here a. sj n a c 1 v i ;,. , ,.,, to this Ic-.ter tt un. lnx. At Bncther time I propose to produre other Interest ing document that 1m baa proilt;e,-! me to take from his musty book vi private letters, written iu the past which the march of great events has made dis tant. To the Uon. John A. Dil. My Dear Sir Your kicd note gave me great great pleasure. I should cer tainly forget myself if I went to New York without seeing you, proviidng vou were visible. The friendship created by association in such a service as that from w hich we have just retired ought to be as endur ing as life. It pain me therefore, to see the difficulty between Holt and Tompaon. Of course vou know Mr. Holt wlt enough to make von sure that he is not only an incorruptible, buta very able man lompsonis, in my estimation, asnprigbt true and honest a man as ever lived ; one of the most efficient executive officers this government ever had, oud alwavs true to hia duty, as he apprehen ded it. They are quarreling on a point where thev are both right and Is.th wrong. The order in question was given and Holt heard It and Tompaon did not. What is there in this to make an issue . about? I think also the construction upon Tonipson's dispatch, that it wa? a violation of official confidence, ia a very harsh one. On the whole this bitsines". ought to be dropped just about where it now is, and if you meet Mr. Holt, I think you ought tosay so.' I have no influence with either of" the parties. Things are in a bad condition with the new admistration. Thev ate afraid to make war, and ashamed tn uir.te peace. Tho border States must not be driven out of the Union, nor New Fo gland expelled from the party. I am most trulv vours etc.," J. S. Black. TnE CLOSE WORK CUT OUT TnAT WAS SEVER BF.UCX. The conversation between Judg Black and myself, just upon tho eve of of his fatal illness, washing and carnc.-t iirin saw mm iu raeiier temper, oe iter health, his mind clearer, or his wit or elo quence more forcible. When it came time for me to go he said: "If you do not hear from me within a week, come again, for IJimJliealthier and lazier now than I have been for twenty years. I get up in the morning deter mined to work, but walk out and look at the Iruit arid crops, come in and sit - " ' Vela tawhila, and g oui vmtti look at them again. Night conies, and i nave done nothing hut enjoy myself." I suggested that I would return and act as his amannensis in preparing what he wanted to say, if he did not fell like writing hizisclf. " No said he I've just got a big boun ty in a great railroad case in Kansas, and I must give that attention fffst. The corporations have absolutely stolen the bulk of that magnificent agricultural commonwealth, and besides the prom ises of a big fee, I have got my heart in punishing them for it," The judge then stopped, thought a moment and then said : "I tell you what to do. Seud me your scrap-book containing all you have written'on this subject within the past two years, I want all that Davis, Iloit, Tompson, Thomas, and Jerry Black have had to sav. Send it so I can get it to morow and I will agree to telegraph you within a week, unless I conclude to come to the city and in that event vou win meet me. The sun marked hiirh noon : the tmwera of the old man full of vears ana vigor, seemed to stand at their full meridian while he snoke these words with which he closed his review of the political his torical questions under discussion his last utterance-, whose faint outline I here traced. Affairs of the moment, converse of the day, of his own life and of his home followed, and on each fell the light of a mind as powerful as it was brilliant, for it was not so much to adorn as to illuminate every subject he touched. We shook hands, I left, not again to meet his equal. The next day i sent mm the records lie asked, and a week later waa summoned to write the last record of his Ue Faask A. Bcer. The Iditoritl "We." Texas Siftings. There is something so distinctively terrifically horrible, or horrifically ter rific in a cold analysis of the editorial "we," that we almost pause awe-stricken ana aumiounded on the gloomy thres hold of discussion. How did it get in? That i, who first flung it into the broad arena of journal ism, and then slunk behind its embattled walls like the cowardly cur that he was? Where is the wretch who forced it upon us? Reflect for a moment on the incon gruity of an editor writing about "our wife' cr "our sweatheart, or "our boil on the back of our neck," cr "our tooth brush," or anything else that implies personal possession. Yet by the baleful use of the editorial hack writer is compelled to use jjte!ich. insipidities and linguistic atroclriss. How doe it sound to say "the man whipped ua," or to vary the illustration, "we whipped the mac f' In the first, we become pusillanimous; in the latter, cowardly. Either or them Is an incor rect representation of the fact. "We mounted onr horse," signifies tliat the animal was a good one, and could carry don ble. We have a strobe suspicion that the term originated with a wild-eved editor who first wrote, "we took a drink." In this case, no matter if it be soltaira twelve-and-a-half -cent drink, there I a chance to divide the blame somehow, and throw half the responsibility on some other fellow. But this is the onlv redeeming feature about the "we." It is a double-headed hvdra which shonld be squelched and fired into the dim Uuena ista of the past, relegated to obsolcteism, and drummed out of the editorial camp. At least, that u the wav - think about it. Paper Eulroid Track. New York Hearald Steel manufactories are anxiously awaiting the result of a trial of psper rails to be made cn a prominent N ra te ra road. Car wheels of this materia! have long been in use, and are reported to gie satisfaction. The rails are said to he made wholly of paper pulp, sub iected to a presare'which render its.4- idas metal. It is- clairied thst the the paper rails are wot ef cored by at mosplieric change, that tl-ey are nivrv durable thaa steel, and that they can be manufactured at one-third ! ct thsa those of steel. MTrrtF.iit. Tb length of time re quired for tb formation f tha wye dem, caVed th irefr X ""- wwks. This r"iat waNMt ;ed trAit t.-a receipt for making th tt r-"4 a laat SSiBi&j' iwue.Ju.ivt Cti-sV-'S.