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'1 ho following articles copied from th«
Arkansas CU/.ette we recommend to Dr.
Ely, for he it the only one we have noticed
\vlio can draw powerful arguments, from
»U' h transactions among the western In
dians, i;i favor of the removal ofthose east
ot'ilin Mistfisftppi.
The following extract of a loiter
from a gentlemrfh at tho Wostern
Creek Agency, dated 10th ult'., to
another in this place, conti ins some
farther particulars of the victory
which tho Osages havo recently ob
tained over their enemies the Paw
nees,' than we were in possession of
when we published the account ci it
in our paper of the 2d inst.
"The Osages have just returned
from a war expedition against their
foes_ the Pawnees.--They arrived at
their town triumphantly, having met
with unbounded seccoss. They went
to the Pawnee town, about 300 in
number, and drove tlieni, after a short
but bloody battle, into a large lake,
where the Osages laid down their
guns and chased them in the lako with
the tomahawk, and massaoreod them
before they could make their escape.
It is asserted by them, that, since
their knowledge of the Pawnees, they
never have as yet had a fight where
go much blood was spilt. It is re
markable, that the Osages did not
lose a single man. The number ol
Pawnees killed is about 80 or 90—5
women taken prisoners—&. they bro't
in 84 horses, which they stolo from the
7"i« late Indian Murder. —The fol
lowing is an extract of a letter to the
Edi'or, from n respectable citizen re
siding at Miller C. H., dated 3d inst.
Some of the particulars ofthe murder
to which it alludes, were published in
oijr paper ofthe 2d inst.
• Mr. Isaac Murphy was murder
ed by a party of from 12 to 15 Indians,
while at work in his field, on the 22d
Jan. The citizens, to the number of
about 40, have pursued them, but have
bo! yet returned. It is not ascertain
ed vvhat Indians eomniittcd the mur
der Mr. Murphy was a respectable
citizen, living about 3 miles from this
"P S. Since writing the foregoing,
the citizens who went in pursuit, of
the Indians, have returned, after bav
ins; pursued them to the Cross-tim
bers, without overtaking them. —
They ascertained them to he Paw
ners, from their si sen arid trail tending
directly towarcl their villages Signs
of numerous bodie* of Indians, were
discovered within 12 or 15 miles of
4ho settlement, but il is presumed
that none came in except those who
committed the murder.—The Cadoes
are suspected of being concerned in
the affair.
"The citizens on Red river are
much alarmed, being apprehensive
that the Indian* wilt return again as
eoon as the grass springs up sufficient
ly for them to subsist their horses."
House of Representatives.
Mr. Bell, fromthe committee on In
4';an Affairs,to which was referred that
part of Ihe President's Message which
relates to the Indian Affairs, and sun
dry resolutions and memorials upon
the same subject, made a report j
thereon, accompanied by a bill, to
. provide for the removal of the Indian
Tribes within any of the States and
Territories, and for their permanent
settlement West of the river Missis
' t'ippi; which was read and committed
to the Committee of the Whole House
-on the state of the Union, With the
Report and Documents ordered to be
printed. [The report is very long,
occupying about sixty pages of manu
re ript.]
Mr. Buchanan said this was a sub
ject of great importance; the more, as
he had no doubt, from the nature of
the numerous memorials presented to
the House, that great misapprehension
prevailed in the country on the sub-;
It was commonly believed that
the Indians vere to be removed from
The Southern Stales by force: and no
thing was further from tho intention of
Congress or of the State of Georgia
either, than this It was right to
correct the erroneous impression of
the public on this subject, and he
«h- -efo re moved that ten thousand
additional copies of the report be
pri' ied for tho use the House.
Mr. Bur%e»» did not rise to eontro
yev< the printing of any number of
c'opms of tha report, but in some sort
to controvert the Idea loggaited, nnino
ly, that misapprehension nnd error
had gone abroad on thii subject The
gent lonian said nothinf was further
from tho intention of this Government
and of Georgia, than to remove the
Indians by force. Mr. B. presumed,
that nothing of the sort win in!ended
by tlio Government of the United
States, but when he »aw Georgia ma
king laws to extend over the Indiana
her jurisdiction, and excluding them
from tlio exercise of their own rights,,
and calculated to drive tlieni on, lie ;
could not agree to tlio remark of the j
gentlomeiv, He honed the motion'
Would bo postponed for u week, by
which time the report would bo print
ed, and the House could soe what it
was, and whether it was such as
deserve this great circulation among
the people.
Mr. Wilde said he did not intend to
be drawn into a premature discussion
—premature, at least, in his judg
ment—of the highly important cjuos
tions involved in the bill and report of
tiie Committee on Indian Affairs,
which had not yet been road. He
agreed with the gentleman from
Pennsylvania, [Mr. B.] that great
misapprehension hod existed on this
subject, and disagreed with the gen
tlemen from Rhode Island, who insist
ed that there was no misapprehension
in relation to the policy nml conduct
of the State of Georgia. That State
had indeed made provision prospec
tively for extending her laws over eve
ry person within her limits. In doing
so she had done no more Mian had re
cently been done by some of the new
States—nothing more than had long
since been done l>y several of the old
ones. Ho denied that tlio State of
Georgia entertained the project of
driving the Indians froru her soil by
force; and he believed ho had at
least as good an opportunity of being
informed as to the views and policy of
that Stale, as the honorable gentle
man from Rhode Island.
Mr. Bales could not, until he knew
wiiat the report was, consent to or
der this groat extra number to be
printed. He had great confidence in
the committee which made the re
port, and- especially for tho honorable
chairman; but he wished the report
to lie on the table until to-morrow or
next day, to afford an opportunity for
examining it, and he moved to post
pone the motion for the extra printing
until to-morrow.
Mr. Thompson, of Georgia, col ted
for tlte reading of the report This,
was opposed by Mr. Sutherland, as an
useless waste of lime; and was insist
ed on by Mr. Thompson, who said it
was necessary, inasmuch as the not
knowing what it contained, was made
a plea for objecting to the printing.
Mr. Reed deprecated (his depar
ture from the old usages of the Huiise,
which was growing up. It had been
the practice to print the usual num
bers of a document, and when read
and understood, if found of great in
terest, to print an extra number.
Now, it was becoming customary,
when a report was made, for some
gentleman, not a member of the com
mittee, but knowing something of it he
supposed, to got up and move an ex
traordinary number of copies. lie
hoped before this was agreed to, in
the present c.ise, the House would be
enabled to know the content# ofthe
j report.
Mr Thompson said, in deference to
the opinions of friends near him, he
would withdraw the call for the read
Mr. Taylor said a few words in fa
vor of tho postponement, and if that
were not carried, he should call for
the reading himself, as he could not
vote for this extra number without
knowing something of the leport.
Mr. Buchanan on the
opinion which he had expressed, that
great misapprehension existed in the
country respecting this Indian qnes
t.ion. The memorials which loaded
the tables of this House proved thir
fact He was satisfied that the fear»
of the memorialists respecting the in
tentions of the Government, and of
the State of Georgia, were totally
groundless. The forcible removal of
the Indians was thought, in many parts
of tho country, to be resolved on—n
great excitement prevailed on the
subject—enthusiasts have been busy
in scattering firebrands and arrows
throughout the country relative to
this subject, calculated to create dis
cord, to the seeds of disunion,
and to sever brethren who on,"lit ever
to be united. It was proper the
People should hove information to re*
move the error prevalent on this sub
ject, and who, lie asked. would de
sire to keep such information from the
Mr. Wicklijj'e would be willing to
print the some number of this report
09 hod of o report on
the sonflTsubjfiel mode tome years a
go—ho believed ot tho oloie of the
IQth Congress—but no more. That
report was made, and without boiii"
read, a large additional number of
copies wore ordered to be printed.
Mr. Everett, of Mass. said the gen
tleman wr.s mistaken, flo (Mr. E.)
mode that report himself, and ho well
remembered that it was rend trough,
to tho House, before the printing was
ordered. But as lo tho other ques
tion: The gentleman from Pennsyl
vania hud said that great misapprehen
sion existed in (he country on Ibis In
dian subject; and gave that as a rea
son for moving the large additional
number of copies of tho report. Mr.
J5. said be would not contend about
the correctness of this opinion, bo
cause that would be plunging into the
discussion, lint when the llousc is
told that greut error- of opinion pre
vails on a subject, and that a certain
document is cilrulotcd to contradict
that opinion and correct the misap
prehension, would the House favor the
extensive distribution of that docu
ment without first hearing it? Was
it not proper first to know what opin
ions it contradicts, and what it af
firms 7 lie bad sn much confidence ill
the Committee, that had the printing
been moved without any reason but
the interest of the subject, he would
have vpied for it without hesitation;
but it was the reason assigned for the
motion which mode him averse to
conseni to it.
Mr. 6'oodtnow, of Ohio, was in
favor of the extra number of copies.
As the subject was one of great im
portance, and as lie had perfect con
fidence in the Commit tcec, he was
willing, on the faith of that confidence
to vote for the motion. There was
nothing, he (bought, more important,
there was nothing more dear to him,
than giving information to thb peo
Mr. Lamar, of Georgia, said he
would not now enter into any discus
sion of the subject; but, when the
time came, lie could show, that, in
the conduct of Georgia respecting the
Indians, there wa» nothing inconsist
ent with the Constitution or with
propriety That now was not the
question; but it. was true that great
misapprehension existed in some parts
of the country on the subject; the
newspapers had teemed with state
ments and comments calculated to
mislead the public mind, & lie hoped
that a large number of this report
might be printed and distributed a
mong the people, to counteract the
great misrepresentations on the sub
Mr. Siciigcre of Pennsylvania, took
it for granted that the report em
braced all the laws of Georgia, res
pecting the Indians, and all the fact 9
of the case, presented in a fair view;
and as it would therefore the
people to form a corroct opii "• on
the subject, he was in favor of print
ing the additional copies. Mr. S. con
curred in the opinion that the most erro
neous impressions were entertained a
mongthe people on this subject, His
own correspondence, as wcl as the nu-
merous petitions rceived by tins
House, convinced him of the fact,
He had received a letter lately from
home, expressing surprise at n propo
sition now before Congress, as was
honestly believed, for removing the
Indians by force, arid the people in
his part of the country iver'e actually
holding meetings to petition Congress
against such a measure. Another
letter was in favor of the extension of
of jurisdiction overt!* Indians, by the
State of Georgia; but protested a
gninst the contemplated forcible re
moval: in favor of that which has been
done, and against that which is not
intended. He cited other cases to
establish the fact of great misappre
hension on the subject; and as this re
port would correct those erroneous
impressions, lie was in favor of the ex
tra number
Mr. Jifiller. ofPa. preferred-know
ing himself what the report contained
before lie voted for printing this large
additional number. The debate had
consumed more time than the reading
of the report could have done, and he
wished-it read. He had voted, some,
days ago, for printing GOOD copies of
a report, with ils noing read. [The
report made by Mr. Cambrcleng,
from the committee of Commerce,)
and he confessed, if he bad known
what that report contained, be should
have voted differently, He wos re
solved not to commit the tame error
Mr. Hayncn, of Georgia, said, tho
objection to the printing, seemed (oho
the ideo, that the report w«» n partial
one; nn argument on one side. This
was mere presumption, and ought not
to hinder tho distribution of the in
formation which it contained among
the people. Supposing the character
of the report such as was imputed lo
it, the House hod printed a large ex.
tro number of a former report, of an
opposite character, and it would be
unfair to withhold this.
Air. White of N. York,jceing no cud
to this debate, and perceiving its ten
dency to a premature discussion of
the whole subject if indulged, moved
the previous question—but withdrew
his motion at the request of
Mr.Cambreleng, who regretted lo
hoar what the gentleman (Mr. Mil
ler) had snid about the report of the !
committee on commerce. He knew
not whether to consider those remarks
as implying n compliment or n censure
but lie ivas bound to receive them as
complimentary. Would that gentle
man suppress information, or withold
itfrofii the people, because it might
not correspond with his own views,or
bee wife lie might dissent from the de
ductions from il? Mr. 0. was sur
prised at the opposition to printing the
extra number oi' the present report.
There had been an Indian war raging
oat of doors, and lie wished to have
the question brought in here, where
they might have a fair and honorable
war with the other side, who had
been carrying it on out of doors. Me
should like to sec who were the mem*
hers that were opposed to having this
question placed fairly before the peo
ple; and ho therefore demanded the
yens and nays on the motion for post
Mr. Storrti of New York, said that
he wished to vote understaudingly on
eveiy matter connected with so deli
cate and important a subject as that
before the Ilousre. He might or
might not agree to the principles
of the report, and could not say
whether he did not, as it had not
been read to the House, and he did
not know | exactly what the report
was. He hoped that he should not be
pressed to voto blindfolded on any
question relating to it. He had du
ring the debate looked very slightly
at some of the sheets at (Itc table, but
had not time to read a passage of it
carefully. In that part which he cast
his eye upon he saw that a paragraph
from an opinion was quoted from a case
in the Supreme Court of New York,
but he had not time to look and tnc.
whether the report further stoted
that the case had been reversed in (he
Court of Errors there. He wanted
information as to the nature of the re
port and its principles. At any rate
he did not wish to act in darkness
upon it. lie moved that it should be
read to the House, and asked the
Yeas and Nays on that question.
The Yeas and Nays were ordered,
and the question was taken on ths
reading of the report, and dpci/.ied in
the affirmative. Ayes 120, noes 56.
The Clerk accordingly commenced
! the reading, and had proceeded about
half an hour; when
Mr. Clay, of Alab. moved to dis
; pense with tlie further reading, which
I was agreed to, 78 to 57.
A motion was then (about 3 o'-
clock) made to adjourn and lost.—
Ayes 43, noes 00.
Mr. If?lite, now renewed his motion
for the | revious question, which v\as
seconded by a majority of the House.
Mr. Storm, of N Y. then moved to
lay the motion for printing on the ta
ble, and called for (lie yeas and nays
on flip motion.
The yeas and nays were ordered,
and being called: the motion to lay on
the table was lost. Ayes 37, noes
Tim previous quest ion .now recur
ving, Mr. Vance demanded the yeas
and nays on it, and they were ordered.
And the previous question being
put?" Shall the main question be now
put?'? it was carried. Ayes 126, noes
I he main question was then accord
ingly put. viz. on the motion to print
10. 0(*0 additional copies of the report
I and decided in the affirmative. -Yeas,
' 11Gj noes, -56/
The Indian Committees in both houteg
of Congress hav.« reported, recommending,
a* we anticipated, the removal of the In.,
dians to the west of the Mississippi. The
question is therefore now open for discus
sion, and toon we shall hoar what is to be»
come of uk, 'l'he crisis is at hand. Wi!s
justice prevail? Will honor and plighteA
faith he regarded, and the poor Indians be
shielded from oppression ? These arc
men'ous questions which must in a vei-f
thort time receive a practical answer, i:
justice prevails, tiie Indians Iyill assiiredljr
lie protected. But if treaties are disre'-*
gorilpd and declared cf no validity, as many
high in office have already done, then in
deed shall we be delivered over to our ene
mies—it matttfrs not whether we hide ouv^ -
(jclvea in the western praifiet—our enemies
will have no difliculty in finding us there*
if therefore wo are to bo sacrificed, let the
bloody tragedy be accomplished here, on
our own native soil, around the graves of
our fathers in the view of the people of
these United States. The good people of
this boasting republic may stand arid gaze
on the oppressive acts of Georgia, consent
ing or not, as they please,to our ilettructiorg
It will not require their niil to destroy us-v
they need only stand still—Georgia caa
accomplish her design easily—But there-
Msili be a reckoning hereafter.
It is said, however, that the
Government and the state of Georgia dp
not contemplate using force. VVc have
never intimated that open force will be
resorted to—this .vould be too barefaced,
Ilut measures are in operation whose •fy
fects upon us are the same «s those fp
compulsion. The object is
and if it is ever accomplished, it most be
done contrary to our wishesaud
by means which honor and justice uiiift
forever reprobate. It makesna difference
whether we are ousted at the point of the
bayonet, or by indirect and oppressive
measures—it in the same thing with us,
and we wish the public to knew it. I'eo*-'
pie of the U. S. our appeal is to you—vrilV
you, with a relentless hand, extinguish a)
our rising expectations*
The leading men of Ibis nation have.
be#n charged with » studiej ait r >n;t (a
unread their people in regard to the iia>-
ture of the country allotted by the ;;ovrrr>r
merit lorthe future residence of the Indians
'i'licy have said, and repeated a hundred
times, that the country was unfit ;•>» ill t
is poor and unhealthy*!—it
is deficient in wood and water. On tha
other hand, the agentaof the government
have extolled it, as being unexceptionable
in every respect. We can answer thrs?
men by a retort. It is their studied aj-r
tempt to beguile and mislead thr Indian
and not only the Indian's, but the public
We hope they, will never succeed. We
have frequently said that the good land, if
any there be in the west, was not sufficient
for the support of the Indians proposed to
be colonized there. In this Opinion w e
are not alone.
We invite cur Cherokee rfaders, ( 0
whom the deceptive promises have he.cn
held out, to peruse »he lemarks which fol
low. 1 hoy u'. - e la'kcn from an article if!
the A'haViaS Gazette, headed, "On the
fnrchase of Texas." 'l'he writer must be
considered a good witness in tlie ease,
so lar as the nature and extent of the
country is concerned.
The whole country west of Mis
souri and Arkansas, (including the
forty miles severed from the latter,)
is tfl ready parcelled out to the differ
ent tribes who now occupy it. The
Chcrokccs and Creeks are already
murmuring on account of their re
stricted limils, and complain thai the
Gove nunc nt has assigned to both the
same tract of country. The produc
tions of the habitable parts of the
country ,|u»der the careless culture of
the Indians, ill be found not more
than sufficient to supply tho wants of
its present population. And it should
he recollected, that, tinctured, as
the Indians arc, with some of the
characteristics of civilization, the
force of their original habits is broken,
which readers them as little qualilind
to subsist on the sterile prairies to
wards the Rocky Mountains. ;>s ma
ny of our own citizens. In meliorat
ing the condition of the Indians, lift
inanity needs no subterfuge; its prin
ciples are plain, direct, and uncondi
tional. The Government is bound to
protect the Indians as a separate and
distinct people, so long as that pro
tection docs not interfere with the
rights and interests of its own
but when this sacrifice beCQincs nc-

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