•S\ RARFRIII P*N^ Secure "Matty's 1 ' *- gAobDALLrAno picture FREE i ZZh'.r coupon la gno& for onf ninisonit Photogravure of "Christy" Mathswson. the N»w Tork Giantr pwlMi pitcher. O^"" Present at the Uptown Office of THE Pr*wr.t at the Uptown Off! -c of ■HE TRIBUNE. 13e4 Broadway, or THE Q_ TRIBUSB. 15* Nassau Street. If unabi* to call in person, mall to DDept. C. THE TRIBUNE, 154 Nassau ftr»«. lnrlo«lnr a 2-eent stamp for £> ' pottair*. JZ i The coupon win eppear every day in ° TH TRIBUNE \ He said It was a great occasion, a history mak • ing event, as it -was the realization of democra ; cy. He said "very political party must -write. i Into Its platform "government with the p»opie." ' and that was what the meeting last night slg ; nalired. "Waxing enthusiastic, he said that every one must demand that parties listen to ♦he people and then he shouted: "Let all rise: Let all rise! All rise! Don't keep your seats. Rife and make that demand!" The crowd was good natured. and rather re luctantly and wonderingly It rose, just to please the somewhat overwrought speaker. Jerome was presented and again applause, j more demonstrative than before, greeted him. "We've got lots of ground to go over, so let's get down to tacks." said he, Mr Jerome briefly outlined the duties of his office, and then he told what were not his duties, to give his hearers what he considered a proper point of view. : He said that if he had wanted to make friends •with the powerful he would have lived among . them. To "make good" on his platform pledges. ' he said, he had taken up his residence In Rut : frere street. In the most densely populated sec \ tion of the city, so as to be of use to the poorer, \ people, -who helped to elect him. ON* CHARGES BEFORE GOVERNOR. He said his office records were in such a state of preparedness that any applicant could get any information within ten minutes by applying. He dwelt at length on the charges that had been : presented against him to Governor Hughes, and ; of the searching investigation made by Richard IL. Hand. He said that out of lSo.i>»o criminal • cases that had been conducted by his office Jdncehe became District Attorney, there were ; only twenty-three charges. He said that Mr. ' Hand had carefully investigated all the charges ''■■ that the "rag-tag and bobtail" yellow press of ' trie city presented to him. . He said that fifteen ■ thousand pages of testimony were taken, and I that after weighing the evidence for fifty days •Mr Hand had found in his favor. Governor « Hughes had kept the Hand report seven months ! and then confirmed It. [• He said that he had made only two specific •pre-election pledges. One was that he would '. follow the trail of misdeeds Into th- office of the •' Metropolitan company and the other that be 'would represent the people of this county on the I criminal side. He declared that he had made ! good; that his office had conducted three gen : era! and live specific Investigations of the Metro politan company's doings; that he Had not tried I to earn a dollar outside of his salary, although • the law permitted him to conduct civil actions. ! His personal checkbook was open to lnvestiga l tlon on the part of his enemies If that would do ' them any good. _„: He took up the questions framed by \% imam Amory and briefly answered them. " He said that it was no more than simple Jus tic- to John T. McCall to say that he had found 1 nothing against him to warrant an indictment for a criminal offence, and added that this statement should have been forthcoming a long | time ago from some one in higher official life than himself. . TO PUT HEARST MONET INTO CHARITY. He was cheered when he said that every dol lar that he recovered from William R. Hearst in his civil damage action would be turned over to a proper charity, as he would scorn to use the money for his own benefit. . He told the story of how Charles F. Murphy and William J. Conner* dropped 584.000 by go ing short of American Ice in the fall of 1908. and then he "roasted" Justice Goff for not de ciding what he .Jerome, deemed to be a crucial point in the Ice Trust prosecution, charging that the question had been before Gaff, for months, and that Justice Ooff did not decide it because he feared reversal by a superior court, ■miliam N. Amery. who seemed to be the only one of the hundred and fifty or more on the platform who was not confident that the Dis trict Attorney could defend himself, got a - rousing reception from the audience when Charles Bprague Smith asked whether he should get a chance to talk. As soon as he had begun, however, it was evident that many in the audi ence did not side with him. and the chairman had to shout and rap repeatedly for order and fair play. Mr. Amory accused Mr. Jerome of sidestepping most of the questions put to him. and said he had not been fair, frank or truthful In handling them. He read the statement of Monroe L. I Simon, who served on a grand Jury, as to Mr. ..Jerome's solicitous care for the traction mag ; nates in grand jury investigations. j- ■UnniOOl COWARD" GETS REPLY. ! At this Juncture the "reporter for "The New {.York Times." to whom Mr. Jerome had referred Sis an "anonymous coward," because he had ;«ent questions in his roommate's nama, eot on JJiis feet and asked Mr. Jerome to explain what -jhe meant. He told the audience that Mr. Je jrorne knew perfectly trail who it was who had .«übmitted the questions because he. the re porter, had personally made a call at his office. ! So g-reat was the demand after this from all .parts of th? house that Mr. Jerome make a re ply that the District Attorney consented. The reporter suggested that only one of the seven questions submitted be answered, to keep within th? rules laid down for the discussion. There was scattering applause after Mr. Je ronas's reply. Som?body then moved to adjourn. and with cries of "Hurrah for Jerome the audience dispersed. JEROME TELLS DUTIES. Says He Is Not the Police Force of -v the City. After a Short speech of Introduction by Charles Eprague Smith Mr. Jerome said: The questions which the public at large are mainly concerned In. as I should Judge from what xay friends in the public press tell me, and from reading the questions, are. First, ante-election pledges which I made and If I qualified on them. Second, how have I dealt with the problem or traction trusts In this city Value of Quality •I You visit our stores tor satisfaction: that is, quality, a square price, good fitting clothes, attentive salesmen's ser/ices and prompt delivery. •I Our prices show full values — in many cases more. CJ Suits, $15 to $35. Coats and Trousers, of crashes, cheviots and worsteds, up to $32. € Panama Hat Sale on. $4.75. Hack^;. C&rh&ft 6 Q 265 Broadway, 841 Broadway, rear Chambers Street. at 13th Street. Third, in reference to Insurance matters, and so forth, and in regard to the Ice Trust. / This seems mostly to be honest criticism, tut if any honest man will investigate wnat I . na^ © dor.* in regard to those and have any doubt but that I have done my full duty In regard to t.iem. then I shall be perfectly willing to accept hi*..in dividual verdict if be be an honest and intelligent mar. iApp!a-;?p.i my dur.es. It is very simple in Now. first a? to my duties. It 1> very rfmple In Its broad outlines, but very much misunderstood My duty is to prosecute cases sent to me by the city magistrates. That Is on- of them. M> . iut> Is to prosecute when private complainants come to m* and make complaint that crimes have be*n committed and lay evidence before me and my duty is to advise the grand jury in any investiga tion they may make. That Is the sum totalof the duties of mv olflce. and if I did those things ana did them rightly I have kept my oath of office ana served you as I agreed to serve you. NOT THE CITY'S POLICE FORCE. Now let me pOw it will be necessary In dealing with these questions to-night that I refer frequently to ihe re port of Commissioner Hand in regard to charges made against me and the reason for that is this: These questions are very voluminous. They extenu over seven years of my activities, and It is Im portant that" you should know at least where the full answer to them may be found. Many of them would take all the time that we have here to night to answer in full and detail. I shall t^y not to avoid answering any of them, but there are many that I can only answer In the time that we have" hfre by referring you to the report or com missioner Hand. Mr. Jerome then related the history of the charges preferred to the Governor. Mr Amory— You haven't stated it accurately. Every on* of those charges was not passed upon by Commissioner Hand, and you know it. Professor Smith— Mr. Amory Is here on the plat form on condition that no questions be asked by him. A — All hot air! ... Mr Jercme— have only 101 questions of Mr. Amory's which I will take up in a moment. I have "referred in this way to the report of Commis sioner Hand In order that you might understand and appreciate what U is. ANSWERS MR. AMORY. Jerome Takes Up Metropolitan Street Railroad Charges. Mr. Jerome said he had received a communica tion from Mr Amory en\ ir>g he had waited Six years to receive a satisfactory explanation, ami continued: Mr. Arr.orv oh -ijf-nges me ln his first question as "Did you make the following promise In >our .amfaiirn speech on October X, 1901: "Let me icli you that if I am elected I shall rnak* it my business to follow th* trails of wronedoine anfen telegraphing tlif-ir friends to go short on Met ropolitan securities. I did not know then that the paper they represented through its city editor, Bur ton, and poor Joe Eaklns. now dead, w*r* trading on their employers' paper and getting it to pnhlir-b. b*«r articles when they went short on stock in Bird Coter'S "fr!'-*, and Coler, lacking the eouraee of a man to preserve lntaw that J. Talbot Tay lor had paid the money; that Jim Keene's son-in law tod paid the money. Mr Amory I say you dirj know it. and I i in prove It < Cries of "Go on' <1o on!") Mr. Jerome — Mr. Amory says I rtkl know it. and NWT-YO&k DAILY TRIBUNE. THURSDAY, MAY 27, 1909. then it is true that Mr. Keenei son-in-law. J. Tal boi Taylor, paid the money. (Vociferous applause. > A Voice-We want the truth. that the motives Mr. Jerome-I had supposed that the momea which lav back of this thing were an tow«» sire to punish men who were corrupt, and no man believed more sincerely than I Sid then hat these men were corrupt, and I looked at it then Mr. Ballantine later did-not for fame m>- B ' ?'f. b « it looked to me as if, if I could bring these men to lu«tlce . all the promise that young America hew before me would be realised; and « I took them at their face value, and I appointed as mj cluer of staff George Sherman to Investigate those charges brousht by Mr. Amory. rharle* Georse Sherman had been educated in Charles E. Hufhes'a offlce-^the Governor of tfce state. Me left him and «as appointed chief of staff bj Mr. Philbin, my predecessor, and Mr. £ h il b J n ]? a R o oVe appointed Distilct Attorney by Tlu^ote nt that veft. Governor of .he State of New Tort, at that time. .Applause) George Sherman was an edu cated, trained lawyer-*) good a la* ver that n ff was taken away f-om my office as chief Stan by Governor Hughes and became ?V« «tate-the until Hughe? became Governor of the *J* V 5~""2 partner of the Governor of the state, We found we had to have some expert accountants. a nd l I was all a matter of Intricate 1 "?- Inquired all around to see if I could flnd^ p ; man absolutely dlwocWed with the r R>;»n-^ h " ne^ n i terests or who had done no work for them, an £ £ found such a man on the re-ommendauon of one of the most upright and able men in th is c t>^ 1 ayfr At'iss&a.'W es^is™ talk SW?3fS!Sl!yßriffi Amory ha* Piled up were almost greater than the whole ">»» that e^er v«>pnrf«d Bherman reported to me, and 1c1 c nia *SBWKFc2 'oTtlTcnarges before Governor Hughe*. That was one of the charges reported on by Hand, and he found, not only tnat the cha rgea against me (A Volee-It was not!)- had not been proved, but had been disproved. MOTIVES BACK OF REPORT. Why the very reports that Talbot .1. Taylor paid for this Son-in-law of Jim K*cne. this hip bear operator, the very reports that he paid for and that this man Amory brought to me. Tee,e and Sherman > both of them came to me when I ww in Ml, g. . ..l, this thing subsequently, and I had their £«"«« and sworn statements as to the motives that Prompted these reports, and their Btatementa that the reports did not say the things, and never were intended to say the things, that Amory claimed Hand sa?i in commenting on Teele-thls account ant that I procured-that he was an accountant of reeomlxed ability, and I forced the Metropolltpn Street Railway Company at that time to give me their books, to give me an inspection of «hern at least, and every book and paper that ihe> ha 1 in tbfir office, and Sherman's report to w was tnjs. that he had not discovered any legal evidence which would warrant a criminal prosecution.. Now. there came a second Investigation. In Octo ber. 1907 Anthony N. Brady was examined before the bile Service Commission. lam speaking now of only the general Investigations; the five special lm-estleatlona I won't go into— they are too much in detail -but they are nil covered in the Hand re- Dort which will be at your service any timo you desire to examine it. .it my office, and you can read there about those other five investigations. If you desire to The investigation on Amory charges took about four months and cost the county. I pup pose, in the neighborhood of 14.000. I The second Investigation followed up the testl monv of Brady -the shocking testimony that was Sven there In regard to the Wall & Portland! Street Kerry transaction. It wis something that I knew nothing about until I came there and Ie have said to me. '"Why didn't you find it out In the books of the Metropolitan Street Railway Company that were afterward destroyed, when you had" them?" There was a very good reason; they were never in those books: the transaction was In the books of the Metropolitan Securities Company, which never were destroyed, which are in existence to-day, and which 1 have had. wnicn Tvtns and his committee had had. GENERAL, TRACTION INVESTIGATION. As soon as I learned what was dene in October there I started upon a general Investigation of the traction company. I went before the November grand Jury and began to take testimony on th*> 13th of that month, and thereafter until th' 13th Of December I was encaged practically day and night In the examination of those matters and In endeavoring to see where I could gel legal evi dence as to th<-- commission of crimes in these particular questions I called and examined before that November grand Jury Anthony N. Brady. Thomas F. Ryan. Jacob H. Schiff. Jar Taul IX Cravath. Lemuel Eli Quigg. J. J. Haven. Board man, Beard?ley and Bayer. Many people say to me: "Why did you call those people"? You will give them Immunity; we think you did wrong in calling them, and the newspa pers have played that up. Th*a< Is absolutely false. In the first place, you would nof give them Immu nity as a matter of law. even if they were there by subpoena. Secondly, that Question did .not arise at all, because every one of them voluntarily ap peared on request, and had any Indictment b»ers found no one could have alleged a word against that Indictment. So that misapprehension la done, away with. When we got on to Cravath on that examination the question arose as to whether Cravath could be compel to give testimony In regard to what Ryan hn.l said to him. and I prayed th» court, and I "moved the court, Cravath refused to testify be cause he said on that .subject it was a privileged communication between attorney and client. I certified the question to the court, to Judge Rosal sky, who was then presiding, and asked him to punish Cravath for contempt. H» held th* matter no for advisement. I do not mean that, he held it up an Improper length of time-it was a difficult and Intricate question and elaborately argued and afterward ho rendered a derision that Cravath could not be compelled to answer. By thai time we bad got on to January of th* year and that grand jury did not desire to ail any ioneer and although I had spent three months' work on the thing they adjourned without taking any action of any kind. That was th» second general investigation. I then went before the Supreme Court, an.l I moved for a grand Jury there that should be im panelled especially for the purpose of Investigating crimes of high finance and crimes concerning the traction That was granted to me. permission to have such a grand Jury. That grand Jury was Im panelled. I drew a presentment for that grand jury, which was made public on January i n . and In that pre sentment thai grand Jury said that they would b*» plad to confer with all persona or groups of per sons or their attorneys whenever snch persons thought they had reliable Information to Impart or suggestions of value to make. them to bring legal proof, but only well founded information or suggestions of value that they, th* grand jury, could follow up. They threw the door open to every enemy— po litical, personal and financial— that this traction crowd bad, and what was the result? That grand Jury sat and took 244 pages of testimony, presented "the suggestions and Informations and advice pre sented by my enemies- by the traction crowd. A largo portion of this was taken up by the tes timony, or the statements, of William N. Amory. specifically outlining to the grand Jury the things In regard to which be thought they should Inquire and the things wherein he thought and believed that th^pe people had committed crimes. Th* whole of the King Cmnmittee who were prosecuting the charges against me appeared and made much elo quence. Franklin Pierce, their lawyer, appeared and told them all about it. Herbert LJmburg. who had been appointed by Jackson a special Deputy Attorney General, who was closely affiliated with Mr. Hearst in his political activities, and who was engaged in prosecuting actively In court a suit against this Metropolitan crowd, he appeared. Paul Puller, a distinguished lawyer of this city, a man of the highest character, who was engaged In civil litiga tion against these people, he appeared and gave them such Information and suggestions as he had. SEEK MEN HIGHER UP. And then, last, but not least, William M. Ivlns, at the request of the committee of the grand jury, appeared before them. Mr. Ivlns, who perhaps had a clearer a.nd fuller knowledge of these traction subjects than any living being, who had analyzed them and turned them in and out. and whom Mr. Amory subsequently sued for the valuable assist ance he. Mr Amory. gave him, although Mr. Ivlns In his testimony before the grand jury Beemed to deal lightly, even contemptuously, with th* valuable services rendered him by Mr. Amory. (Laughter.) The grand jury called Mr. Ivins before It, and after a considerable discussion as to how Mr. Ivins would advise It to proceed Mr. Ivins testified as follows, among other things: All that I can tell you is that if I wer«s the IKMrict Attorney I should not know where to look for [dene*, unless l had some altogether unex pected or peculiar source of Information. "I should not know where to look for evidence, except among the officers and directors of the com pany, nnd chose who were dominant in controlling its policy " Th..t Is, Mr Ivlns's opinion was that in order to X< l t i, r.y evidence the only place you could get it would be to call the officers and directors of the eomponv and the persona who were dominant in its councils. Th.- persons who were dominant in its councils, Whitney being dead, were Widener, Ryan. Dclan and Elkina. • Widener, Pnlnn and Elkina were not within th* jurisdiction, and were not amenable to process. Wo then, after this, went to work and called these witnesses— Brady, Ryan. Vreeland, Cravath .lull liard, a director, the president, and John H. Mc- Donald. Lemuel E. Qulrk, ex-Judge Cohen and others, and we took 1.567 pages of testimony, and the grand jury split up. each and every one of Lhese allegations, and specifically an.l severally stated what they thought as to them, art.l those of I. I :. .burg, Fuller, Cohen and Ivins, as far 08 he m.'id" any. NO EVIDENCE OF CRIME. And after devoting nearly four months to this they came to the conclusion that trier-.- was noth ing, that there was no evidence available showing the commission of a crime. In addition to that, there were nearly fourteen hundred pages of oral testimony, given by many witnesses besides those whom I have named. Every director, every officer of those companies, was called that was within jurisdiction. Besides that, they had thousands of pages of exhibits before them, and the grand Jury made this presentment in regard to these charges. Now, gentlemen, I should think a grand jury knew what it was doing, and If you do not think bo get all the evidence and read it and see if it satisfies the minds of twenty-three of your fellow citizens, testifying under oath. and see if they aid wrong or right. That is my answer to that sort of question. Take the other pledge that 1 would be the at torney for th* people on the criminal side. Sea whether I have performed that. Of altogether 180, 000 criminal matters going through my hands In six years only twenty-three matters could be found by ray most pernicious enemies on which to base charges, ami they are routed upon every one. That alone should mean something in a record of six years. But when the first election was over, In which I made that pledge to be the attorney -lor the people men, where would I live? I ww I"1 ''" th pi r c i u bs RfSffi fe JIWU^S jl could mate ggd •» the world-was, so that I might be *^ ccs =^n t o and night to those people who |_ X^ttled rii?ht down th«r» at.th-e corner of K'Vvffrl the people tss M^p, SHSHXrS Si or child about politic*. sSs: ne-is°c^ing down University Settlement stunts: he is coming "Tan? n^s^o^'myself. fellow citizens that I can very much t«ch' others about t hat matter I. J^W&TS! own. I don't say in my opinion-I know t.iat l made good on my ante-election promises. INSURANCE INDICTMENTS. Explains Why Thomas F. Ryan Was Xot Prosecuted. Mr. Jerome took up next the question of the prosecution of Thomas F. Ryan and the Insurance charges, reading this question: In the political campaign of 1901 did you also state "Mr. Whitney's memory is not so short that it cannot go back to the days, scarcely a year ago. of the, State Trust Company, when a loan of $2,000,000 was mnoe to J. F. Shea, an office boy or Thomas F. Ryan, although that loan was forbidden by th* State of New York, and in consequences was a criminal trarsactlon"? The District Attorney in reply said: And now the sagacious Amory. right on the trail of the wrongdoing puhli(« official, the man domi nated by the traction magnates, who had violated all his pre-election r>l?dges. puts to him these des perately difficult questions to answer. ■'!•> | you over prosecute and punish Ryan for this crime?" No And let me tell you why. In the first place. Kyan never was charged with it. The person who was charged with the crime was Elihu Root- and. secondly, the loan to Shea took place on August 16, 1*99, and was a misdemeanor, and was' therefoie outlawed by law on August 20. 1901. and I did not com* Into office until January 1, 1902 (Applause.) , ... Meanwhile Theodore Roosevelt— whether you like it or not, is an honest man— ( Applause )— Theodore Roosevelt was Governor of th* state, and. It being brought to his attention, he appointed a spe cir-i commissioner. General Andrews, who had been a Police Conmlssioner with him. to investigate the matter, and General Andrews investigated and re ported to Governor Roosevelt. Gardiner was District Attorney at the time, and he took no action. Roorevelt was Governor, and he took no action, although he had power to send the Attorney General here. Before Gardiner's term expired Gardiner wan removed find Pbllbin was appointed by Roosevelt. Phllbln held office for a year; he toidc no action in th* matter, and when i cam*- Into nfnc* th* action had already been out lawed six months, under the laws or this stat». so that I think this question is also simple. i Ap plause. > NOT AFRAID TO PROSECUTE. But the Innuendo of all this Is. of coarse, that I was afraid to prosecute men of any .position or pmwor in the community, and If you followed the newspapers and got their version you would think I never prosecuted anybody except some poor fel low who stole a loaf of bread out of a biker's wagon They =rv. "What has Jerome done in in surance? He has not touched an insurance grafter. li.- was afraid of the dominating Influence of J. Pierpont Morgan He was afraid ..f tne dominating influence of Thomas F. Ryan." I have found nfty-slx indictments against insur ance officials, following up tie Armstrong comniit tee'a work. Ther.i were only four Important insur ance men in the city that*! .'.ld not Indict One was dead one wa« cut "of hit mind— (laughter)— and in regard to the other two there was not a scintilla of evidence and never has been. I Indicted Gillette, and Grannis. the two vice-presidents of the Mutual. Gillette is dead. I indicted Perkins— this terrible bugaboo about J. Plerponi Morgan Perkins, first vice-president of tha New York Life, J. Plerpont Morgan's partner— and Charles S. Falrchild. president of the Trust company and a director of the New York Lift- — those two, the two principal officials of the New York Life, except its president, Mho was dead, and against whom I myself had never seen any evi dence that would warrant him being prosecuted criminally were he living to-day. (Applause.) JUSTICFJ TO MR. M'CALL'S MEMORY. It Is bo more than simple Justice to th* memory Of a man that v.as loved by many to say that the most careful scrutiny— and 1 had made It— showed that justice would have been dene from the lips of another— a nv.-n occupying a higher official position than I had, If he. bad had the counige-lt was a Justice that would have been done from his lips, to say that of McCall— that there was no evidence disclosed against McCall that would have warrant ed his indictment for any criminal offence. But 1 am not hero to defend others. I am here to defend myself. I found 13 Indictments again?t liegeman, president of the Metropolitan; 6 anainst Perkins. « asainst P«fi. hild. 6 aKalfMt Gillette. 1» against Jordan, th- controller of the Equitable — Tom K\an's company, I couldn't Indict Ityan- was not in it. All he did was to buy h^ com pany, t nave yet to learn whether Arthur bris ban* thinks buying companies la in Itself larceny. I Indicted the president, the general counsel, the, vice-presidents, the two Burnhams. and Eldrldg'N of the Mutual Reserve. I Indicted the controller of th» Washington I. lf* and Frank G. Kootons, uf. the Bankers' Life Insurance Company. I think that M Indictments against those men does not show an abject terror of th* flnanclM world. I also indicted Orlando Thomas and Charles F. Motse. And T might Just as well answer the question about Montgomery and Thomas while I am here. Thai Is, the regulator of our im<-ensored public morals. "Th* American"' or "The Journal." put up twelve questions this morning— I suppose they got confused on th* time; they thought to-night was three days off from t}-ls morning, and they did not have, time enough — but thi • said among other things "What hnppered to Thomas?* What hap pened to Thomas. 0 ye independent leaders, is this: That Thomas was lndi'-ted and a motion was mad* before Golf, and that motion is still pending. Th* case cannot be tried until <;off decides it. (Laughter and applßu»e I I have conversed *vith th* receiver of the Metro politan, and h* in turn bad conversed with Mr. Amory about this wholesale theft, but the re ceiver. Mr Whltrldee. seemed to be of th« opinion In regard to this particular thing that there never was any such sum of money there to b* stolen (laughter), and he didn't know how it could bo stolen in that case. "WHAT ABOUT ICE r Murphy and Con tiers Deal, Jerome Saytj Started Trouble. Still referring to Mr. Amorv'n questions, Mr. J*ronie, in answering one. "What about Ice?" said: . The Ice situation was just this. In l»i s com mittee was formed of people on the East Bide, largely, who were suffering because of the huh price of ice, nnd th*v retained a lawyer by the name of .14. ul>i to r*present them and brinj plaint about it. The newspapers took It up al th* same time, and complaints were brought to my office and an investigation was conducted very carefully. The judge presiding was Judge Rosalsky, who charged th* Jury, and to whom the jury mad*, a pre?entment. They went Into the matter very carefully and mnd» a very careful nnd elaborate presentment, in which they said that the price was not due t"> any unlawful combination, but was the ret-uit .if natural r a uses I have h*r* a letter from Mr. Jacob!, writt*n entirely without my solicitation, in which he i!e.-lar*s th;it every possible thing that could be don* was done l>y my office: that I gave them In every possible way every h*lp that could he given, ana that the people that he represented In this matter were entirely satisfied. The only people who were net satisfied at the time so far as my ..(flc* was concerned was the newspapers, "The Journal" and "Th* World." Well, one of trios* great papers sent a man to Maine to Inquire about thin thing. When he got back He tried to bla< kraaii the president of the American Ice Company. Mr. 1 >l*r. While he, was In Maine inquiring Into this matter for his paper he bought an option on some four thousand tons of lee, cam* back and tried to pet Mr O|*r to take tiiat over at a higher prie.» than they were paying for Ice from the same station. Doart that SbOW you ; h«' good fftith of Rome of those ppopl*. who want t.. mislead *he people In their double dealings? Then when Jackson came into offlc* 1 conferred also with ftttonM] Oenefal Meyer about it, and he agreed with me thai nothing further could i>e .lone except perhaps civil litigation. H* had no way. in fact, there having been no complaint made in the fall of lpos. MTRPHY AND COKMBRS SHORT." Two very distinguished statesman of the Demo cratic party, one, Charles F. Murphy, and the other "Flngey" Couriers, seeing a way u» turn an honest penny, went short on tee and they went very short. (Laughter.) They were not Quits as clever financiers aa Charles w. Morse was, who went to work and cornered the market, and when "Flngey" ('Miners and Charlie Murphy wanted to >:et some lee, in the f;>ii. to .over their shorts, tho only man who had any Ice stock was Charles W. Morse. So who goes down to Mr. Morse's >>fhv,. but one Mr. Gates, known as somewhat of a specu lator at times. And Mr. Gates goes In -and, mind you, I am giving you sworn testimony, not any fake about this— Mr. Gates Roes in and says: "Charley, gut any ice?" "Yes," he said, "I have ice." "Well, I have got som* clients who would like to have so many shares of It." "Well," he says, "they can have It." he says. "How much will It be?" "Well." ho says, "par." "Well." Gates says, "don't you know who are my clients?" "Yes," he says. "It is Murphy, hut that don't make any .: o me." They go into a booth, and after a little delay tho following conversation is overheard, because in these trustworthy financial offices, downtown build ings, they have all of the telephones spiked to Wiifeßock. The Mineral Water unexcelled. On the menu of every notable occasion. STEAMER BASKETS Fruits and Delicacies Delivered promptly with your card to outgoing steamer or train Prices: 12.75, $5.00, $7.50, $10.00 Very attractive packages. Park&TUford gether. so several men can hear th* conversation at the same time: "Is that you. 'Flngy'?' He says. "Tes." V, her* are jrou?" "In Charlie's office." That is Charley ley Morse. "Well, what, is it all about? Can I have the stock?" He says. "Yes. you can have it at par." I am still giving testimony. "Hell is the answer. , A . ... They took it from Morse at par and they lost {84,000 on th* deal, because the check came down the next day, the certified check, and th* stocK was delivered, and they lost J34.000 covering their shorts at that price. And the second that Jack son 'Fingy' " onn*rs's man. came Into office r.e De gaii to Investigate ice. and his lieutenant. Auer bach . told Oler. the president of. the company, that if this stock transaction could be taken care Of that he would not hear much more about ice. ATTORNEY GENERAL'S PART. Thereupon the Attorney General sent to me, wanting to know why I didn't prosecute this in iquitous trust which I bad investigated the summer before? I said: "If you have any new or other evidence, send it on." He sent on Just what I had before: To make assurance doubly sure, I went all over It again, and I sent word back to him that the circumstances were the same and that he could not get an Indictment on that legally. He then applied to the Governor to supersede me. and the Governor granted his request nd appoint ed Osborne. and Osborne went before the grand jury and presented all his evidence J do. A Voice— Every man in the hal! knows there Is an Ice Trust here. Mr. Jerome— Stop, stop A Voice— there was an honest man in the Dis trict Attorney's office they -would be in Jail. (Ap plause.) Mr. Jerome— You know it is easy to say "hot air." but let me ask you this Now do I understand this: Yout assertion is this, that there Is an Ice trust in this town— that is. he means that there is a combination of !ce deal ers in this town tnat violate the, criminal law. That Is what you mean. Isn't It? John D. Cr*>nln— Yes. sir Mr. Jerome— And you believe that an honest effort would prove that, and find that there '.?. and find that evidence? The only grand Jury I have ever submitted th<» Ice matter to was th* grand jury of 190 S. The Judge to whose court It was attached was Judge Rosalsky. Now. if there Is any judge living that owes more to the plain people than Judge Rosalskv, I don't know any such Judge. He was the candi date of the Independence League, and was elected 1 In no Inconsiderable degree by their \ - otes. and it was that grand Jury that this evidence was sub mitted to by me. ORAL QUESTIONS^ Mr. Amory Charges That Jerome Was Not Truthful Mr. Jerome at this point Indicated that he had finished answering the written questions, and oral questions were called for. Mr. Amory (Applause)— Ladies and gentlemen (continued applause>: I did" not come here to night to speak. I came here to hear the District Attorney speak, He asked that questions touching on his conduct in office might be furnished htm in writing three days before this meeting. One week before this meeting took place i sent him one hun dred and one questions, all touching upon his misconduct with regard to the Metropolitan Street Railway criminals. Of these, three be has answered, sixteen he has referred to and every one of the others he has dodged, and I knew he would dodge them, because he did not dare answer them. (Applause.) Now, let us •.••. Mr. Jerome has not been frank; he has not bees honest: he has not been truthful. (Hisses ) All I ask Is fair play. Mr. J. romp has had bis say; he has gone out of his way to attack me; he has accused dm of being poor. Gentlemen. I am poor, because I have been righting him and the Metropolitan criminals for six years (applause), and I propose to devote the rest of my life, if neces sary, to fight him and those other criminals. Mr. Jerome asked me after he had made that Speech that he admits that be made, -when he said be would follow the trail right Into the offices of the Metropolitan Street Railway Company, he asked me to bring him the evidence in DM. In those days Mr. Jerome and I were Intimate friends. He asked me and two or three members of the King committee to run that campaign of his in 1901, I merely mention that to show the terms of intimacy and the regard he had for me in those days. He knew that I had this evidence, and he asked me for It. Now, then, he has referred to Jim Keens and to Jim Keene'a son-in-law, and he says that i went to them and got the money to pay tor the expert accountant's report. Th.it in true. Rut I w>-nt there at Jerome a request. (Applause.) Now, tl. •■:■... the report of those accountants that was pud for. not by Mr Keen*, tin mis* Mr. Keene refused to have anything to do with it. but by Mr. Ketne's son-in-law, Talbot i. Taylor, the reports of those accountants were addressed to Mr. Taylor and re ferred to me, and were put In Mr. Jerome's hands on the 23d day of November, IMS. and when he comes here and denies that he had the knowledge he tells you what Is not true. (Applause.) "JEROME KNEW IT WAS NOT TRUE." Now, then, let us see what be has done with my charges. Hl^ defence here baa been that Hand- Mr. Hand, who Investigated him— whitewashed him. That is true; he did whitewash Mm. But he says Mr. Hand passed on all the charges, twenty-three in number, that were laid before him. He knew that was not true when he made that statement. It was not true. The eighth charge of those twenty-tin es was the charge that he- had per mitted the Metropolitan criminals to escape. Mr. Hand, the commissioner, refused to hear those charges, and tbe Governor bucked him up In It. on the ground that the fault that he had committed in not punishing those criminals wan committed be fore th.- Governor was In office, and through thnt narrow, through that small knothole, Jerome escaped. (Laughter.) Now, ! had nothing to do ■with those charges. You all know about the Wall and Cortlandt street ferry deal— or >'«.ii. I ••'■-in to call It. be cause It til a steal. Now. Mr. Jerome has skil fully dodged my questions on thai point, as he has almost nil those others. He denies that he had any personal knowledge about It I tell you now that he had personal knowledge of It In 1902. be cnuse 1 told him of it at that time. I told him in 1902 that the Metropolitan crowd had put through a big steal. including not only the Wall and Cort landt street ferry deal, hut the People's Traction Company an.i the New York & Westchester Trac tion Company.. In the case of the other two railroads there was Sl.iitiO.ooo that was divided. In this case there was only less than a million, and Jerome knew- about it. and yet he comes on this platform and denies the knowledge which I tell you he did have, and If he hnd been honest, and If he had been the District Attorney that we all hoped he would turn out to be. he would have sent Tom Ryan and the rest of these traction criminals to state's prison. "MURDER" OF WILLIAM C. WHITNEY A Voice— the pressure brought to bear by the Metropolitan Traction Company prevent you from "The World's Best Table Water" Coward Shoe A Children's Shoe that Helps the Feet This shoe has the broad toe of the Cowabd Good Sense Shoi, which allows the ball of the foot to spread naturally. It is shaped close up under the arch, and bo constructed that the arch and ankle muscles are properly supported. The mak ing and finish are the saot high quality used in the Coward Shoe for Men and Women. SOLO NOWHERE ELSE. JAMES S. COWARD, 268-274 Greenwich St., N. Y. ' !>'eab Wa&bzs Strut.) Mall Orders Filled. Scad for Caftks.— . STORAGE For Household Effects in Fire-Proof Warehouse. • CARPET CLEANSING. T. M. STEWART 438-442 WEST SI si ST. Formerly Jgt Founded > $26 7th Aye. W in 1865 ) EING UP 5567 COLUMBUS. bringing action against the murderer of ■rc»::i8«C Whitney? __ Mr. Jerome— l might just as well lay tha nircer now— the name of a man that nas ?•*■• away is spoken of here, it might just as we *}J!* settled. A lot of prurient, foul-minde-i people mv* been saying amoig themselves ever since Wilts*; 5 death— lt vras alleged among a certain class cf *»• ple here who had little elso than gossip to fID t..«.r rrrinds— that William. C. Whitney had been killed & a vulgar brawl by a nun who wa.-. notorious la t-ii city. Idle, useless, vapid people passed arena* hmong themselves the seancalrnonges-s ta* fraa one to the other for a Is - tim». When I cx=» into office I heard about it— at least, shortly i^sr his death I heard about it. It was talked a*JUta such a way that I said: "I win see; I snow lixr* is nothing la it. but I will see." I made carerui inquiry in regard to it. and so far as Mr. V" i ">*,;? life being taken by himself or by any otaer am the hand of GH6. there Is no word of truta m it, Applause, i . __, A Voice— Mr. District Attorney, several years «ST. during your term of office, there was one °yU™ name of McAuliffe who was nrutally munJerwxa a police station. If my recollection is Tigtu 2 took very little interest in that matter. aM y« lid not even bring that case before the grand jury. Why not? , . ,_.--««♦ Mr. Jerome— l took a very great deal ofj--"? in it ani personally investigated It in &*&***; shape and manner, and on the evidence I Te f*~Z~ the conclusion that McAuliffe. who was .2l nately addicted to the excessive use of ilijuor. -" fractured bis skull by a fall in the street: ~L** had not been killed by the police. And htt.e -rt£r as I had for some of the police officers in t..3t ,ia tlon house, ard bad men as I believed '.'.-.' them were. I ha enough respect for tnexn w i lieve that they would not deUbenteiy. »» V" charged by one. of the newspapers, '•»«■*• in their custody And all tee evnien c— and a«f mass of it-was examined by a magistrate. ~f even did not find enough to held any one - f^ attended personally at the hearings and f° ni^^ the Investigation, and the evidence showed c.ea that McAuliffe slipped on th- Pa* c! ? en t;,, °k J i\ ice. and struck the back of his neck an .*?ri| fracture at the base of his skull, as *■ pnys**-» call it. and died irom that. ATTENDANCE AT CROKER DINNER. Questioner— VThy did you go la that si*-* " ■hanM to the croker dinner A Voice— Because he was hungry. .^, Mr. Jerome-I will tell you why I we nt ««* Very many years ago. when I was a v g r > h^a man. just starting up in this city. Mr. l - : ,""rU|| B me a great favor; he gave me my^chance aR life- by having me appointed as Deputy Ass»»? d District Attorney under John Feilowes. »>* 4 that because- years ago. In turn, my -.'ln *»•» been able to do him a favor, and when ■ mm * 3 v me a favor I never forget it. iArT' !au **'..», tUs I admired Mr. Croker in comparison ,« rtst ragtag- ami bobtail politicians of the . day. »' -^ he. was a strong man that looked his ««£g v the face, that stood on his own feet and *%%££) his friends until the cows came home- '-T^-. p. Question— Weren't DeLancey Mcoll and «^ 3i Cravath heavy contributors to year /MggggLStwa and were they not counsel for the ,'• «sl Street Railway, and. if 80. in that case a.e^J sticking to your friends till the cows c * m * ", *9 Mr Jerome -These gentlemen >■— "£ j^ heavy contributors t-> my campaign ™"£ fceea Cravath contributed J25. Mr. NJeoO. »*JSbS • my friend for many years, did not .-nt.. row QMWdSsi 1 want to ask Mr ;T; T Tom'" om ' lt Jf tfgf hate the happiness of v ot,n< fov «■ tn ' 9 <^S!T n cia«Ss^K-. > Chair rule, that «— * °Wuon-DUI Samuel fntermyer contribute toward your campaign? Mr. Jerome— he did. . M HsSi« Question-Was he the attorney of James "~ Mr. Jerome— Not at that time. __ Hunyadi Jan os 0 half glas* \ M upon arising g i in the morning 1 M and enjoy good m % health all # It Is The Best Natural Laxative Water FOR CONSTIPATION^