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ON COLLEGE GRIDIRONS
Harvard Runs No Chances with
Dartmouth Game Near.
HAS AN EASY SCRIMMAGE
Hanover Team, Determined to
Win, Will Leave for Cam?
bridge To-day.
[By TSIegiapb t* The Trihue- I
Cambridge Mas.-. Nov. i??Harvard put
on the fin i shin g touches for the Dartmouth
game |n the stadium to-day. the regulara
having no hard football, but spending much
time on their plays and In signal drill.
p?ior to the Msv scrimmage against the
tutes the regular?- ran through all
formation-', being closely, watched
?hy the head I
r.eggie Brown, who follows Tale's prog
aach year for Harvard, was on the
flfld and saw the playa which will be used
by Harvard ri-xt week BgalM* the New
B t"eain ' The scrltTunage against the
silbe ti tutos las-ed half am hour, the "varsity
play being slow but careful and the playera
not mixing it up very hard. There was
. lot of ? i?achl:ig for the Individuals.
Two changes i"or Saturday's game against
Dartmouth wer? announced to-day. The
fi-r is that O'Brien will play right end
lead of Felton. The latter la all
right a-.?i his kicking is as good as it was
?.-.a?, hurt 1n the Brown -fame, but
he will no- be used ac-ainst Dartmouth. He
?-.e needed in Saturday's match, but
rot so much sa against Tale next week,
r- work .<t cud has been very fast
f?nd he Is speedier than i?efore he was hurt,
the layoff having ?put him up on his toes.
IPs mmin- hack to form Is the first bit of
Mai ?good fortuna that Harvard has had
la"?
The other change concerns the backfleld.
olds will not play left halfback on
He is down a little fine In con
?iltion. while Caaapben, who Rtart??d the
?ton game. 1s now ready to play
football again. Campbell will play
? ?rtinonth and will do the kicking.
sh"i:ld he )?e unable to stay In the game
Pierce will go *o left halfback and con?
tinue the kicking Just as he did at Prlnce
Xeither of these men Is as good a
r as Biackall.
Both Gardner and Freedley were at quar
t'-hack to-day. but the general backfleld
?work continued loose. Storer at right
ta kle Is very encouraging, and his play
st Dartmouth will be watched care?
fully, r.irr-icnter also is doing very well
of these players, although
. neither weighing more than V78
Is, are strong and hard lighters. The
rush lir,? . la fact. Is expected to
up in Its aggressiveness against
tmouth what it lacks in 'varsity ex
Field la in hetter condition than
It hi . uo'k Straw is used to
tt.? playing BeM every night, and
?sill not be n-movi-d to-morrow. The
. < the Harvard freshmen
tioshmen Kam?, played on Saturday
I the afternoon has
!. the faculty declining to give the
r ants ?Saturday morning holiday.
Dartmouth Ready for Harvard.
. ? tph to The Tribune.1
Hanover, X. H . Nov. 16 ?The football
er ?s over The long hard
drill of nine weeks ended on the oval to
w!th the traditional burning of the
ting dummy and the series of wah
1 o webs for the college, coaches and
everybody di-". The ceremonies to-dav j
lent Nichols, the
?y members ?of Hie athletic council and
staff.
? ?-insisting of twenty-eight
will leave for Boston, to-morrow morn?
ing. Practically the whole college of thli
i??:i hundred men ?ail! follow tha team on
t II will not invade the
am with any feeling of overconfl
? a faculty has ?-declared a holiday
?from !*r. ??? Itenday ?nwrnlng.
k Caoanangh, in a statoascat made
this ? 'I the Dartmouth at?
titude, when ha Bald: "We are not over
? nrj We have confidence in
Harvard with a firm
nil nation to win"
etlce to-day began with indoor
Bubstitotes.
I i v. ntured a sbort ecrlm
w and mud were
ii ks could conquer, and
further work ?was ?ailed off.
. In Hanover to-night
f??: ?certain that
al ,rt the game at right
II '?; a'l the men for
u unable to play
he Injured his kn?-e in the Amherst
tmore will !,?? at left guard.
. famous for ; tii*- only ad
' ken to Harvard that was
Inteton. There is practically no
? ? w ill be used, for his
an w hen he entered
? ton game.
? Dudley as the final
ck. but he is almost
?game if th?- hall
within hlcklng ?listan?" of the Harvard
I
! ?aley; left
Bloock, lefl - VV hi tmore;
?it ; right
I -ana; quar
k, Llewi II) n; i. ft h Dudley;
Hg'.; tulit?a?-... Snow.
Cornell Leaves for West.
a. \ ', \ rousing sendoiY was
. ?-iiiiiers of the Cornell foot
: which I? it here for Chicago this
?' Two thousand young enthusiasts
?lance.1 th-- snake dance and sang Cornell
OB was lighted by col
?snd halted at the station
:.- for the team and for the In
?lisp air.
? sded Hi- long list of
anli i the team
-, d ?to inak?' any other an
il to the assembled throng than
that * was in good condition and
i buttle against the Ma
r'or.s il. W< ild make I ? as to
the outcome, although earlier in the after
ir.eii would ?depend on
i tball to win the game Twenty
four playera -;:-u "? ': ?coachea una trainers
Cornell athletic outfit, al
thougl twenty-flv? followera occu
ttachad to the t?am's
car.
The BOUad w;l arrive In Chicago to-mor
row noon, and wjll hold a light drill on
MarshaU Field la??- in the afternoon. In
older to warm Op ?after the long trip and
to familiarize I - with the condi?
tions of the gridhor.
The probaba line-up for th? game loi?
low s .
; tain Hunk, loft
Uickle. (XRourhe. left guard; J. s. Why te.
<?ntrc. M '.nil. right guard, Champaign.
? :,iCk!e; Fritz, right end. Butler, quar
ck; 0'i*onn??r l.-ft halfback; K. B.
"Whyte, light halfback, and I'uderhlll, full
I
Chicago Needs a Miracle.
Chicago, Nov. 1?' "Nothing short of a
miracle ?au make ?"1,1 ago ????feat Cornell
m Saturday," A k Btagg, coach of the
Criversity of ?Chicago, said, as he tUlfoyoi
the Maroon ?serlaunaa* on Marshall Held
"The work Is the worst 1 have
.-. fifteen year.--."
J?i silte of this gloomy forecast on the
part of Ihe head ?eoacb, Chicago is working
as hard as ever la reparation for th?
??layers have plenty of ,,ji
timi
The team to-day went through a long
rimmsaa work, StaKjj working
the mei, at breaking through the lin?- and
Kent, of Cornell, Is here
and has made final arrangements for the
?game. The -Cornell t?-am is due to-morrow
line
Frozen Gound for Cadets.
I Point, Nov. 16 ?The ground was
?fronen too hard to-day to attempt tO lc-ld
g on the gridiron, and the riding hall
The Army eUotiaenl of tick?-?.- fer Um
Army-Navy ?fSUM was mailed t??-<iay to
the ?subscribers, and there )?as been .
demaii'1 that m < vn.v lie? BS riec
AUTOMOBILES.
Limousine Bodies?Auction Prices
UaO fhttr-?Ue At $7.V 1150. $2.-??">. etc.
100 New Bodle?: Vn Others' Price?.
BWAT AL'TO EXCHANGES BODY DEP'T,
I.e. 12?. X'?t. 140 Weet ?VJth St
essary to cut down the number ssked for.
With MX? tickets to be disposed of some?
thing like 14.00? tickets were requested.
Those who got half the number they
wanted consider themselves lucky- Even
the cadets' usual allowance was cut down,
ond the cadet who happens to have a spare
ticket to-night is a very popular gentleman.
Wood, last year'a right end, who had de
cidt?d not to play this year and has all fall
been coaching the third eleven, got into
the game to-day at end. The Army has a
number of good men for th?? place, but
Wood has had more experience than any
of the rest and will greatly strengthen the
Army line.
Nsvy Hss Hsrd Serimmsge.
Annapolis, Md , Nov. If?Practice at the
Naval Academy this afternoon included a
hard Bcrimmage lasting thirty-five minutes
A new backfleld combination was used
which restored It to the arrangement of ?
month ago, except that flllchrlsl in at
quarterback instead of Sowell.
Rodes replaced Collins at fullbark. while
MeReavey was taken from right end to be
Captain Palton's running mate Instead of
Nichols. The. combination Is heavy and
powerful, but doea not include as clevr.- an
end runner as Nichols or I-eonard. How?
ever, these backs and others are kept in re?
serve for emergencies and are worked with
the regular team part of the time.
Overesch, the best And in the fourth class.
Is now playing right end and will probably
to found thero when the team fines the
Army eleven.
Michigan Loses Fullback.
Ann Arbor. Mich.. Nov. ML?With the
annual football struggle between Michigan
and Pennsylvania only forty-eight hours
away, word was re-ceived late this after?
noon from "Bottles" Thomson. In Cadillac,
Mich., that his brother died to-day, and
that he would not return to Ann Arbor
for a week.
The announcement caused heavy gloom
to spread through university circles, as
Thomson is the fullback of the eleven and
has been a power In both the offensive and
defensive work. Meelj played In Thom?
son's place to-day.
Quakers Work at Detroit.
Detroit, Nov. 16.-Twenty-three members
of the University of Pennsylvania football
squad, under the direction of eight coaches
and Mike Murphy, the trainer, indulged in
a dummy scrimmage and secret signal drill
at the Country Club this afternoon. Jour
det contracted a light cold and did not don
a uniform. The squad will go to Ann
Arbor on Saturday morning.
Last Drill for 8yracuse.
Syracuse. Nov. 16.?A hard slgrnal drill
and defensive practice this afternoon prac?
tically concluded the Syracuse practice for
the game with the Carlisle Indian.- on
Saturday. The ?Drange team is In line con?
dition, and its supporters would not be
surprised If Syracuse broke the winning
streak of the Redskins. The Carlisle team
is due here to-morrow, and In the evening
will be entertained by the Mystique
Krewe. The largest crowd that ever gat h
ered in the stadium will witness the con?
test.
Coaches Drive N. Y. U.
Olcott, Flanders and Reilly, together
with many graduate coaches, kept the New
York 1'nlverslty squad hard at work ?all
yesterday afternoon, until It was dark. The
customary kicking practice and running
down punts took up the first hour, and
after that scrimmages, with both the wee
ond team and the eleven from the High
School of Commerce, kept the 'varsity
?busy.
The cold weather put life into the men.
and the linemen were able to open up wide
holes for the backs to plunge through for
long gains. Forward passes were worked ?
well by the first team, and twice took them
over the goal line In the scrimmage with
the second team.
Several of the 'varsity players did not
ecme out on the field an.i their places were
filled by substitutes. Torrence's position
at centre was taken by Bristol. Makay's
rositlon at right guard by Cornell and
?""raw-ford's position at right end by Zlm
mele In the back field theie were two
\scancles. Both of the halfbacks, Moore
and Elllffe were away, and comfort.
Eraun and Von Egloffsteln were sent In by
the coaches to flli the vacant place-.
KIRBY OFFERS A TROPHY
Boys from Fifteen Schools to
Strive for the Crown.
j Fifteen schools will be represented in the
Columbia lnterscholastlc 'cross-country
I champlonahlp run, which will be held to?
morrow afternoon. Gusta vus T. Klrby, Co
luml'la. T?5, who 1s a member of the ?xecu
t)ve committee of the I C. A. A. A. A., has
presented a silver trophy In the form of a
crown which will become the permanent
property of the team that wins It thn
times.
More than IM boys will start the r;i?-e
from South Field. The course will be four
miles up Bivcrslde Drive and hack to the
finishing line on South Field. Cold, silver
and bronze medals will ? be given to the
hoys finishing first, second und third, re?
spectively. After the run the competing
teams will be entertained at the university
Columbia's first Indoor track work of the
year was held yesterday In the gymnasium.
A squad of more than fifty men reported.
most of whom had never had previous ex?
perience, so that Bernle Wefers will have
hla hands full In getting them Into condi?
tion.
STRONG FIELD TO COMPETE
Many After Senior 'Cross-Coun?
try Championship.
A strong field will tace the ?starter In the
national senior 'cross-country champion-'
?ship run, which will be held ni Celtio Park
! to-morrow afternoon. Twenty-seven run?
ners, most of them from the metropolitan
district, have entered for the ?contrast of six
and a quarter miles Johannsen, of the
Irish-American A. c ; Bellars, of th?- N? ?,
York A. C. and Kramer, of the Long
Island A. C , will have a kc-n tight for
first honors.
The entries follow: New York A. ?'.?
H. II. Hellawell. 1? V. Noble, G. Critchey.
H H. Brower. G. W. Case, v. Bellars. P.
Smith and M. Hughes, jr. Irish-American
A. C.--J. .1. Daly, M. Huysman, J. H. Den
nelly. J. J. McNamara. T. J. Collins. T. 1*
Nelson, F. W. Johannsen and T. K. Hayes.
Yonkers Y. M. C, A.-T. F. Harden. L. A.
<"*ondlt. C. Frobt. .1. <?. Hermans. Jr., ?'
MrCrudden, H. Santhouse, K. Springsteen
and G. F. Holden.
The following will ?compete as individuals:
W. J. Kramer, Long Island A C, H. J.
Smith, Pastime A. C, and G A. Dull, Pitts?
burgh A A
RACING JU" JAMESTOWN
Outsider?, at Long* Odds, Win
Half the Purses Offered.
Jamestown, Vs. Nov. l?v?Ixmg shots
captured three of the six races at the trach
here to-da\. HsSMtlc winning the first race
at II to 1, Scarlet Pimpernel the third at
N to 1, and Kormak th? fourth at 10 to 1.
Then w-as a big attendance gni the track
wa-- fast.
The summaries folios
Kir?t race (pur?, $2."-?>; tot In Is: flv?
and one-half furlong?) Henotic, i?.'? ?Aml
12 to 1, 4 to 1 and 2 to 1. ?roa; Lad
?Mi-i'ahey?, 13 to 20 ar*l out,*?9coiid, Badl? Sha
piro, 1(i0 (Gordon). 6 to 1 2 to 1 an<1 .1 to f,,
??MM. Time. 1:11 :t .%. Norn.a ?ilrl, l'en.
(_*hri?tina? Deity aim? ran
Second raca ?puree. |2.*,<?; for two >?ar olJ.i;
five furlong?)?? aniellih. 1??4 ?Byrne). 11 to !i.
4 to ( and out, won; Coining Coon, UM (Nolan),
7 to 2. 2 to 1 and 4 to .*>, r-erond; DalnKerflr.,). in;
(Mclntyre). 2 to 1. 4 to f? ami 2 to 6. third.
Tin.??, 1:02 8-A Jam. w Daekatf, Wild Weet Bad
Aiany also ran
Third raca (pur?e laoo, for three-year-old? and
upward; ?lx furlong?--- fi ?riet Plnpernsl, 100
rl'ruc?), 10 to 1. 4 to 1 and 2 to 1, won; Merise,
106 ?Peak), 20 to I. 7 to 1 ond 8 to 1. ?eonrt.
Thrifty. 108 iHopkln??., 2 to 1 ? t?, ."? ?r?1 out
third. Time. 1 IS 1-6 ?'?rdlfT. Minnl.- Bright,
L'Appie. Beudaja and Be-, Lomon ; alt--, ran.
Fourtn ra?-e (puns, M00; tot ihren yemt olds
an: upward; one mile an?) h llxte*nthj K
!?.", (Hopkins). 1" 10 I, 4 t,, 1 and 2 to 1, won;
BlSokfoM, 1?hi (Byi-M), 7 lo 2. :-. t?, 1 sad 7
I ?. ?'? fi 1. 2 i" I
an,i 3 to 5. third Tl:?:. 14-4.*. ?Sag?
w?!?? an! 'i';.?- Golden Butterfly al.- , rai
Fifth tace ?Durfc? $3??o. f,,, threi .?.?r ?ill?
m. . bi'ward, ?lx forlones) Aspirin, 114 (1
atan, l U> 2 uri-i i. ??? . Bl
(Bruce), 2 to I. 4 to .'? ?mi out, m.id; ?Rosa
Queen, 112 (Bchuttl?ser?. 2 to 1. 4 ?
third. Tim?, 1:14 8.1. Mex-rtiiat, ?-?peilbo.n
?Cowl also ran.
Sixth raca ipur?e, $300. for three year <?!?!? and
hi.ward; on? mil? and a ?ixttentiu Co Boa, ISO
irral). 2 to 1, 4 to 8 and out, won; Goitonda. 1<?7
(Peak), 10 to 1. 4 lo 1 arid 2 to 1, ?aaoeadi I.lm
pet, 108 ?Bruce). 6 to 1, 2 to 1 ai,d ?.tn, thlid.
Tim?, |:ftl. Knolhy. Bdd'a Gralnay, Hors?.? J_,
Uttl? Bari aM Harta)/ V. alto ram.
CHEERS FOI! YALE TE!
Undergraduates Flock to Field to
See Players in Action.
LAST DRILL FOR TIGERS
Pendleton Sure to Run Eleven in
Big Game at New Haven
To-morrow.
|B Telegraph to The Tribune. 1
Ken Haven, Here. If. -Om of the large--?
crowd? of Yale unlcrgraduatcs that evet
attended a preliminary prat tl? e before a big
p?me ?.aw the workout of the team to-.lay.
Headed bv the rheer leafier? and a band.
one thousand men mnrrhed one and ? half
mile?; to the field and gave the so.nid a
rousing re-option. Ki?h player an.'
was cheered, all tin* songs rehearse?!, and
the 'varsity ran through a few plays, pro?
voking the grsetSSt O? enthusiasm. Yale
ha?* begun to assume the air of unrest and
excitement which always precede- a l>?g
?gartM. To-night the alumni ?md girls aro
pourinK Into town
To-diiy's pra.-tice imphamed thai Yale
It ready. Tin i? la not th?- slightest trace
of worry or fear in the camp. There Is tio
ovcrconhdence. The men are simply SSti -
fieri with their plays and their condition
and rcaily to meet Princeton.
The p?'-??*'!?"?* previ us t., the entrance of
the undergraduates was held on the fir-li?
men field, where the OOaclMS gave the men
a twenty-minute individual drill. A general
polishing up on the playa was next in order,
and everything in th!? IttM was MttSfSCtOry?
according t'. Cspl Is Howe. A signal ?drill
of thirty minutes up snd dowa the field fol?
lowed. The second t?ani did precisely the
aanrn work The aquad then went ?mr t.?
the "varsity, wnere captain Hows and Wai?
ter Camp of the 'varsity practised punting
to the backs. Ted Coy assisted, and the
hacks had S long worl.otit handling the long
punts Of OOJT. The IUk-iii?-r. and ends were
worked out together in getting down the
field under the kicks, nnd this really formed
the principal portion of the practice. The
work ended with four klcltotta and forma?
tions, two to tha 'varsity and two to the
second tdjlni.
As to the Condition of the men, Captain
How.- said to-night tverybody was In fine
condition. ?Spaldlng Is all right, he said,
and his mus? le bruise has now disappeared.
He will start the Princeton game, most
probably, but his continuance at right balf
back depends whollv on his play. Captain
Howe said f-palding's recent enforc??l rest
had somewhat affected his plaving through
lack of work with the Other l.a.ks, an?! he
may be replaced by rfteeman after tii>- ?irst
few minutes, as the latt? r has had mure
work. It depends Ml Spalding's showing.
The only other uncertain -dace is in the
lino. Cbsrley Paul's work at tuck!? la
somewhat ?I?nil?ti'ul. He will start the game
agalnal Princeton, but. like Bps Id big, ho
may bo replaced. Paul has been sonnui.ai
banged up re? ently and has not piaye?! at
tackle as well as h?- has in other years.
If he is right he will bS kept in the game.
otherwise Oallauer or Perry wdii replsoa
him, with a shade in favor of Gallauer. He
has had more work lately than Perry,
Eiiher man will make Rood.
Howe sh!?1 Perry's broken hand can be
fixe?) to as to give him no pala While play?
ing, and It was a toss-up tretwen him and
Oallauer for first substitu?-. Cooney and
Warren will be the substitute guards, bur
probably neither will be used, Chllde, who
has been playing as 'vanity guard until he
got Into SCholSTShlp difficulties at the Yah?
Law ?School, win probably not b,? avallsT.!?,
this ?Saturday. Captain Howe said to-night |
that his trouble had nol b?sen entirely set
tied, although they were working on ihe
difiiculty. <>nly a small technicality is I
kc? juiiK fluids out of the game, and an at- ?
tempt will be made to have It settled be?
fore ?Saturday. Tat.tain Howe said It was I
doubtful if th.? ban would be lifted by Hat- |
urday so as to use Cbllda, but it would I
likely lie arrangid next week.
The team may go up to Meriden over I
?Sunday, although arrang? menta have not !
yet i" en con pi? te and v.iil stop si the
Highland Country Cluh. Andersen will
probably not be used In the ?Prli
game. ReUly and Freeman will both ho
sent In ahead of the Westerner, wi.o is not
likely to get ? chance. Anderaen'a work
Is uncertain. He has a dangerous tend, ncy
to fumble and r'in wll?1, and is as likely to
lie disastrous t<> the team as he Is to be a
star. Freeman will very likeiy be used in
any rase
?Captain Howe said the probable line-op
to start the Princeton game, and tin- one!
which waa uaed to-daj with the- exceptional
noted above, 1- as followa: \v.-r , left
, ii'l; ?Scully, 1 -ft tackl? : ?Franc i -.
guard; Ketcham. centre: McDevltt, ?
guard: Paul, right tackl?-; Bometsler, left
end; Captain Howe, quarterback; damp,
left halfback: Bpaldlng, right halfback;
Dunn, fullback
The new coachea to-day wer?- Toni .
lin. T?-i? Coy, "Steve" Phllbln, Ralph
I - ?? - Banford and "i'a" Coi bfn.
rrinceton. H. .1 . Nov 11 ?Fifteen mlnutea
Of fast Klimmi i .?lowed by a long sig?
nal practice ended the last ?refalar foot?
ball pra?ti'-e of tl.e year at Princeton this
after? h?tn*t drill will be held to?
morrow, bul little v\?ll b, done, as th.
team leave.- tot Mew Tor? si 1*30 In the
afternoon. White, Imnlap, Huff and AVil
sr.n were all ki ; the scrimmage
to-day, bul will ha ready to play on Bat
It Is not likely that either Farr or
Wight, "i" only two badly crippled meg on
the aquad, vviii be able to play, although
the latter has strong hopes of Retting into
the fray for a ibeti Hase al least.
The 'varsity this gflernoon ?jcored encera
the acrub eleven, largely through the help
"f S fumble by the sei ub on its own W-yaxd
lin--. Mi I^an, who had take;-. Hart's place at
tackle, r.-covering the hall ?or the 'varsity.
The ?j?*Tl*nmage was fast and bard. The
?>? Improvemenl over
... thil v? .-? k, but they are
??till '. ? the smooth running and nia
Chine-1 I whir!* are needed M hiu 1'
when thi bsll la canled down Into
0] ;>"!. Both i:.ik.-r snd D ?
Witl i endld faa]
the lattei ?particultfl] . up vcrii ?n
this dei artrm ni
Pendleton r n tha ?!? v.n ai quarter
througho .i and upon him will fall th b n
den Of dir? I: OS Saturday.
He I pla) er and baa Impr .v. i
in hit generalship ?.f late In
? In \ tie th? TlgH 11 will liave a n-liabl.
trau t.. fall lack upoi foi tbsS p sitlon,
whili -, playing SU h ep'en
did ball In tin : - v..??k that i?
la questionable whetbei the coaches win
stau him at hslfback, or ?Baker, who is at
11 ??-1 ?it n if du!? d to play lids pi
Aft? r the pre? tice to-?] ij the -
ii not bol .ii i.in
un i. mi.-i i ru . turday.
The varalt* line-up: Waller, l.-u end;
Hart, left lack!? . W . left | lard; Blue?
thenthal, ? entre; I Phil
la? kle; H tmmond rtghi end;
I terback; Bak? r, left half?
back; b. Witt, right ' ? d Vaughn,
lulll.a. k.
?' ? ?
HESSIAN LACKS AN OPPONENT
.?
No Cne Conies Forward to Meet Cham?
pion in Rifle Shooting.
The Chalk ? y pul up with I ?avid
B. Mulligan, manager ol th? note! Hre.siin,
by the friends of J. \V. Hessian, ?haruplori
rifle shut of the I'nlted States, for u com
| blnatlon match with rill", revolver and
shotgun, has not l ,._-n covered. This is
much to the disappointment of the gentle
WhO ar.- read) to tack the chances
of Mr. Hessian In the difficult raateh.
The lermt of ti.. match as proposed bj
afr, Hittssisn'a frlendi are as follows; ?Fifty
shots wltl .n at atzte? a yarda,
bluer*?' ? arlth r*evolvei ?s
loi at Hfi | irda, o m., rate Br?
Am? rlcan d Bfty ihota I nit? .1
Blal mllll e| ilatlon target, slow
tit,-, al ?"? i 1,000 yards, r,-g
l?ona.
.Mr Hessian ssld al lbs ?BrssUn la I
ilghi that there wan a plan being dis.
al Um New fork Athletic Cluh to form ?
trap -?hooting team to represen! the United
Btatea at tha coming Olympic gu-uu-a In
i fitc-ckholto, Sweden. i
'ON H IN FOOTBALL
Sol Metzger Points Out Some
Needed Changes in Rules.
SNAPPING BACK THE BALL
Centres of Harvard, Yale and
Princeton Teams Using
an Illegal Pass.
BY HOI, MF,T7.r,r,tt,
Former i'?plain ?nd Head fnarb of IbS
r?nnf\|vanl? Kootball Eleven
When Billy 1-angford gave the famous
drlhhle-drop-klck dc< Islon In the Trln? eton
Dartmouth game that enabled the Tigers
to win In a rather remarkable way he
brought to light one of the many freak-,
that annually occur In football, hut which
rarely come to the attention of ?the puhll?'
Indeed, so many catchy points are to he
found In the rules to-day that the seasoned
offl- lais ?ne always upon edge for fear that
something unusual will happen and to such
an extent that most of them spend much
time In solving "problem plays."
?mi?, point that has caught my attention
most this fall has been the passing of the
Centn rush to the fullback when the latter
la playing hack ten yards In what Is kno-Ati
as a khking formation. Watching th? Har?
vard, Princeton and Yale elevens In action,
I \?.as somewhat surprised to note that
when the different centres passed th?-- hall
to the fullback upon this formation - "snap?
ping the ball," as it is termed In Section 2,
Rule VI, of the official guide-they used a
method which evidently has not caught the
attention of officials, hut which could strict?
ly he ruled as illegal and the enaulng play
not ? Minted. An official to do thl? would
nat ut ally meet with a good deal of crltl
??sni, but he would nevertheless be right,
according to a strict interpretation of the
rules.
The method of passing these centres
Bom? times use and which Storer. of Hai
vard, invariably adopted. Is to first raise
the ball from the ground and then throw It
back between their legs. To he sure the
lift they first give to the ball Is not a big
one, but it Is sufficient to be notlceabl
f!?uii the top of this stands and It caught
my attention becauso Jt Is Just the motion
the embryo centre ?gives to the ball when
he first attempts this long and difficult
pa1-?. To correct him of this and enable
him to get the pass back smoothly Is the
point all line coaches strive for.
Pule VI. Section 2, of the football guide
reads:
Snapping the ball Is putting It back from
Its position on the ground with one quick
and continuous motion of hand or ?hands
or of the foot.
it Is quite clear that the style of pass as
previously noted Is not one quick or con?
tinuous motion of the hands or feet, so It
must bo illegal.
Section S, Rule VI, which follows, says:
A scrimmage takes place when the holder
Of tin- ball places It flat on the ground,
with Its long axis at right angles to the
line ?,f scrimmage and puts It In play by
.?napping It back.
Clearly, the ball cannot bo put in play and
a down cannot be counted when a centre
rush lifts the ball and then throws It back,
Instead of snapping It back.
I first noted this fault in Storer's passing
In Harvard's game against Brown and
called attention to It In these columns not
so mfich because of the Illegality of It,
hut because It gave the defensive linemen
BUC? a fine opportunity to know to whom
the ball was to he passed. At Frlneeton
one week later Storer did the same thing,
nor was Bluethenthal, the Tiger pivot, en?
tirely free of the fault. Fttrther. I noted
Krtcham doing It, at New Haven, In the
Brown t'ame
While the rules clearly cover this case,
It would be. unwise for an official to en?
force ihe point unless -compelled to do
so. for the reason that the violation Is
entirely against the letter of the rule and
In no wise effects either the spirit of it
or the game. Furthermore, the enforce
m? tit ?>f if would put the centre rush "up
In the air," so to speak, for he could not
Immediately pass correctly I' be had not
been taught to do so, and the result cdiild
OBly be of preat advantage to his oppo?
nents, an advantage gained by no superior
p!nv of their own-a freak advantage. In
fithcr word??
The worst part-and the point I called
.?iMntlon to-ls that It is a roor method
of pussln*, and how It ever ?crept Into
the plans of Yale, Harvard and Princeton
la more than one ran see. Yet an official
would be entirely correct In muddling up
I ?game ?by enforcing this point, though
I ????n't mean by this statement to reflect
upon Mr. I.aniiford's decision on the drib
hie drop kick, as that was the only thing
be could do; no other course ley before
Mm.
I'ndoubtetdlv he has done a ?rood thing
for football in making this point s?> clear
?that a good deal of proper and necessary
editing In football rules may follow.
I-Yir Instance, there could be a ?ood ?leal
of ?Shnpttftod codification of the forward
nb-F. ?sa they are none too clear and
| entirely superfluous In language, leetloa
.',. Rule If, rca?ls:
When the ball has been legnlly pssssd
forward and liar- been legally touched, be
fore Striking tic ground, by any player
of the Bide not making the pass, ?any play?
er of eiilier sitie bas the right to attempt
t?i secure possession of the ball
Obviously the rule entirely omits the
provision as to what is done when the
player of the attacking side, eligible to
?receive the pass, first touches it; and In
COUBOUUSlKia the officials have ruled either
i. tie uonleellna ""ami agree be?
same begins.
N?> mora fatal rule e\er crept into the
official guille than Rule VII, Section Ko,
which i? ?is follows:
A? ?the beginning of the third period the
teams shall take opposite goals from those
saautned at t:,e beginning of the second
period, an?) tha t-i<le which hiched off In
?trlod shall have the option ?if
kicking off or having their opponents
kiek off
This is a monument lo -colossal stupid
Ity, foi I don'l think any football player
ran ?recall the tune when an eleven e\er
? i tu receive a kick-off when It could
Itl-Ch off, all other conditions being equal.
In other word*, the team that wins the
tOSS ?has a tremendous and admitted ad?
vantage In ele?ting to kick off each half
?whan the ?rind la not a controlling fa? t'?r.
as by M doing It immediately places the
? team In possession of the ball near
Its own goal line. Forward parsing and
kl?'Una 'ir*' tabooed by strategists,
BO tl St S puntuig duel results with every
. in favor "f the team that kl?ke?l <,ff
ng p?oasessloa of tha hail in it-- op
Its tetTltorj the primary object of
' te present day ?gams One could ?safely
wager that t'ils ?Ule has seen Its last year
Not long ago I was presented With this
?seemingly Impossible "problem play" by a
il oflcfal. "What would happen,"
? -, 'If an attacking team lost the ball
??H downs directly in front "f me of its
oppnn?ant's goal posta, the ball being so
Close t" lbs post that It coijld not be
I by the opposing centra when it
.1 ?sads?" Quite naturally one he
such a proposition Impossible, yet
It Is a thousand times mor?: probable than
the ?lrlt?hle-<ii??i'-K|ck, ami fat th.? rules
1h n?) wise permit the referee to move the
bull so that It may be put In play Tech?
nically the ?ame would have to be forfeited
efusal ??f the attacking aide to "play
baa."
Not s<> many years ago there was a rule
t? th? effect that when t he hall was
brought In bounds It could be put In play
by scrimmage or by touching It
?li.wr. and kicking It toward an opponent's
In whli-h case the team putting It In
play would ba on slr*e recnrdless of wheth
nol Its members were back of the
i ili when li area kli-krd I?ehlgh sprung
on Da Wilt'? VMXl champion
,!,1|, fi,, .t?.ii team and u h.-ated argu-|
o,? i,? follow??* Naturally the death kn.-il
-?i thai foolish tul.? wsa Bounded bj thai
II k> i.? rail) lahea a crisis iik<- the ?situa?
,- Princeton on November n and In
? ' bring about ?soma ?oareful eilltlng of
th? book, and th.-r?- boa ?been enough ?rlti
cInui .,? the I'M ofldel gut-da to ?seusa the
ill j.iiu.-i fui but somewhat flip-shod rules
?uiiinitt..? t?i ?have the 1912 edition more
carefully ?-dlted than ?he present burden
s"tn<- and crude affair. Certainly freak
[lavs should !>?? eliminated and a clear,
concise code, by way of a change, would
be sppredated bv ?ametala, ?oachea, play
ara and the enthusiastic paying public '
OTTAWA FLYING A HIRDI.K.
vamfc%ra8^T#!%~% t% %&??Ulr**?V&SiSk iSfeffi?
GARDEN
BASEBALL SAURIES" UP
Rather Question Up, While the
Salaries May Come Down.
San Antonio. Tex.. Nov. It", -The salary
limits on every league except the majors
will be reduced next season if a movement
started to-day at the convention of the
National Association of Professional Base?
ball League? by Wilbur P. Allen, president
of the Texas League, bears fruit. The plan
Is for a central board to fix a salary limit
for every league of a certain classification
and fix penalties for the violation of such
limit, taking the power of salaries away
from the individual leagues. The existence
of some leagues depends on the adoption of
such a rule, if is contended
The advancement of the Pacific Coast
league. American Association and the
Eastern league to a higher cla-salflcatlon.
to be known as class AA, was recom?
mended by a aub-commftfee which met to?
day. Tt In proposed that leagrues in this
class be permitted to draft from all other
minor leagues.
Practically the entire business session
was devoted to the salary limit problem,
and In the end It was referred to a com?
mittee, it was the consensus of opinion
that the fixing of salary limits either by
classification or population under the direc?
tion of the National Association Is impera?
tive.
President Sexton of the National Associa?
tion, President Ebbets of the Brooklyn Na?
tional League club and President Murphy
of the Chicago Cuba were the champions
of the Allen plan.
President Ehbeta suggested that league
presidents and cluh owners be bound to In?
sure the observance of the salary limit Im?
posed Incidentally. President Hexton urged
that the paying of railroad fares and ex?
penses of playera and their families report- i
lng or returning to their homes after the
BSaaoa be discontinued or regulated.
Betting will be a suhject of discussion to-1
morrow. President Baum of the Pacific I
Coast League announced that he -would
offer a resolution asking that ?'ongress
enact a law prohibiting the transmission by
wire of bets on baseball games.
PHILLIES BEAT HAVANA.
Havana. Nov. M -The Philadelphia Na?
tional League, team defeated th? Havana
nine here to-day by a score of ;, to i.
KIRKPATRICK EXETER CAPTAIN.
Exeter, If. II. Nov. 1?. ?Iran ?.. Kirk
patric, right tackle of this year's Exeter
foithall team, will captain next year's
eleven. His home is in Baa Antonio, Tex.
IHOGANREADYFORBROW
Both Boys Confident, with th
Latter a Slight Favorite.
When "One Round" Hogan, the sens
! tlonal lightweight, of San Krancisco, ar
"Knockout" Brown, of New Ycrk, meet
their ten-round bout at tho Madison Atl
! letle Club, of Harlem, to-night a slashlt
j bout Is promised. The boys are rate
I among the first of their class, second onl
| In the opinion of many, to Ad Wolgas
?lightweight champion of the worhl. at,
! the redoubtable Packey McKarland.
Viager for the fray which may lead to
match trith Wolgast, the rival lightweight
I are in fine condition. The weight agree
! upon. IDS pounds at <* o'clock, will be eas'l
j made. Brown Is naturally a l?.3-pound boy
j who could battle at 130 potinls and b
' strong, while Hogan weighed 134 pound
: as he wound up his training yesterda-,
j afternoon.
The boy? met a year ago. and Brown
i after rallying from almost certain defea
in the first round, fln?j?hed strong an?
earned the popular decision by a narrow
margin. Both are confident of the, out
come this evening, while- Brown, If any
thing, Is a ?light favorite.
"mille Beecher will fight Brown whethei
i he defeats Hogan or not, and Willie will
? not ask for a cent of money. As far as
I he Is concerned, the purse can be donated
? to charity." said Moe smith, manager ol
i the F.ast Side boy, last nigbt. "Morrari
has said repeatedly that Hogan gave
Brown his hardest battle, b?it lie forgets
that Beeeher beat his terror twice, and In
the eighth round of a bout at the Olympic
Club, of Harlem, knocked him down and
almost out. Brown took a nine-seond
count before getting up. and stalled until
hi? head cleared. Our offer standi, whether
Brown heats Hnenn or Hogan wins In a
punch."
While the autocrats of the lightweight
. class are settling their differences two
other clubs will hold entertainments. Harry
' Korbes, former bantam champion of the
world, and "Young" Ketchell, a rising
| youngster, will meet for ten rounds at the
Mount Vernon Sporting ?'lub. while Wil?
lie Brennan, of Camden. and Billy Sher?
man, former lightweight champion of the
navy, will box In the main bout at the
American Athletic Club, of Brooklyn
Dan McKetrick says Joe Jeannette Is the
natural Boccessbr to lack Johnson, the
retired ??) heavyweight champion of the
world He has not overlooked Sam Lang
ford, but says the latter has run away"
from his man The trouble Is that every?
body will not agree with M'Ketrl? k
?BEB?LL ON BENZ 1EW
Philadelphia Amateur to Take
"Wild Boh" Burman's Place.
WILL DRIVE HIS OWN CAR
Rearrangement of German Team
Due to Friction Over Tires
To Ee User?.
The Un il break b?ttwa?i th? Beni ..
t i ompem sad Boh Burmas ?o f>?
as the Orafl l Pr i/.'- aut?
cei ii"?;.- ? line : ? ? ???
Burmsn to >,*
by t;:
irlvtt
it*, it ]?? .-.? -i'd not a t
Hen/. ? ar In the Intsni ?
initvi? ?diet? ??
with Burman Mr. I
nuinioaii.iii ?vlth Erwin Bersdoll, ng\
wealth- amateur dii ei of Phi ?'1-iphU,
I f?w weeks ag.
bai k ra? ? with hla
Etc m/. ? ai '.;i I ? ?' .. th?
?n team i
irire hit os n cai and thli wi ? d to.
This an ins? m? n? probably mei : - that
the ??id car witt? w*hl ?-1*-?
the ? ?i an.I Prlz? ?eta,
t,n Thank -. ?-ar-??
win handle the now racins machiner
If Mr. R? rf-'.'<i'I ?i?es iiN . ..ri
victor ?ill be 'emporaril- - Th?
?Philadelphia Qirnod i ir rnade n ne?*.- .er,
'?rd In the r''?'??tir park race, and Ii || ?\y
to be .1 .*'.- Dg bidder for lo.-.oi.-- n the
South.
Acttong the final entries > eterday I ?,
Bs ? ? ra ? v..i- tiiat .-f a F
named f>>r the Tledem;'iin Trophy, l-"ing.
Ins the liai ' ' bah ' ?
Two Mui??/*-- and I i'.ipe-iiai t?or.i o
been added to tl Grand I'rize it?'
Pope-H trtfor?! has been nominal? I tot the
V*Utde<*Mlt ?"up There Is also a
[MMatbillty that an 0|M i ear oi M
pow.-r will I- asen In the International
race, but " i..-. n formally e:.'- red.
STEWARDS FOR HORSE SHOW
Everything in Readiness for An?
nual Exhibition.
The director?? of the National Horse Show
Association announced yesterday the p :er\
stewards who will servo In the ring at the
twenty-nevnt h .?iiniial exhlhitlon, whl^h
will open in Madison ?Square (lerda I I
o'clock to-morrow afternoon. They are as
follows: Joseph W Marrlman, Alfred B.
Ifaelay, Alfrad O. van?i?>rniit, EUfftaaM C
i \'and.-rl'ilt. Frederick Brill, Ib-hert A 1-air
, balm and Henry Fairfax.
Everything la la readiness for the show.
' It will he the ?..st one to be held In the
'Garden if th?? prsssnt plans for tl tr
| iOWn the strui-turi. are cirri. ?1 out, and no
pains bars beet. spar...I to make it tht
Under tho skillful banda or th.- ?i. .-orators
tli?> Interior of the building has taken <>n
a new appear.'?t.? .'? more spl? tulid than any?
thing seen before. An arilstlo and har
monlous color scheme has befn followed | i
transform the Garden into a bow
beauty.
BONIN MAKES NEW RECORD
Colombes Runner Covers Over
Six Miles in 30 Minutes.
Paris. Nov. 16.-J. Bonln. the ?'.-?lomhes
runner, to-day covered o kllomete -
meters (ahout ?5 miles M yards?, in M min?
utes. Th:s heats the world's re.-oid es
tabUshsd :n INI by J. w White, of I i
land.
The nearest American records to that
established by Bonln are the indoor and
outdoor six-mile records made t |
V, Bonhac of the Irlah-Aassrl?**sa Al
Club, which are rasp? i tivly .V mir.
seconds and 31 minutes r,?_ second?
MANY RIDERS FOLLOW HOUNDS
Stiff Pace Set for Meadow Brook Club
Members in Long Run.
Meadow Brook, T.on ? li.land, Nov. :?J -A
large number of riders followed tin? 1 nade
in the drag h nt which ?was hold hot
afternoon. Tl,,? gi-lne vas u.1, SI d *
weather bracing, the 'ting a e?'ff
pa?c. AithouKh a number of ?. ddlea were
emptied bet?re ?
a un ?'
Those to finish f.?i!ov.. lira j. n '
Mrs. Emily If, Miss Mae |
burg, \\". Burling ? 'OCtA, F, <*s \ on
F. Ambrose clark. C. C ?Rumssy, \> M
Farrpinh. Mrs .f. ?A H. Hsdden, Misa
i.idden. K. B. l>ri.->. i* A W
tazzi, Mason Blake. Mr. White. V
Rochester an-l the two whips,
?'or.tr..ry to tl lom, hunting
after wild foa*SS Will
year this eeasoa If thi
i-onie ro\v.e?1 with I-*?*-.
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