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Oward Official Declares Friend
Sairi Line Knew of Sinking
at 10 A. M.
j)e"].r\es to Ask T. ?? Stead for
Name of Informant. Savin*?
He Wants it ?' ?:
Controve ?
p A S Franklin, viceore*?:?.'ra f ?the
Iaterr.auor.al Mercantile Marte? Ccm
ngzy refused yesterday to try to run
ilo-rn the source of the statement indi
eat!***? that it was known a9 early as 10
o'clock en Monday morning that tho
Tit?n.: had foundered and thaT the
"White Star Company suppressed the
?net-s until almost 7 o'clock in the even?
ing. Mr. Franklin's opportunity came
yefterdriy afternoon, when Thomas J.
Stea3. ??s:stant to the general agent of
tie Cur.ard T.ine, repeated in Mr. Frank?
lin's cff.ee his statement made to the
ra the day before. It was sug?
gested that Mr. Franklin ask Mr. Stead
for the source of his information, but
this ha refused to do.
"Anybody who says we knew before?
o'clock on Monday night that the
Titanic had foundered is tellini?" an un?
truth declared Mr. FTank'.in hotly.
. "-her. it was called to. his attention ?hst
the Wbtta Star Company was charged
rurip-"?sf?ing the news. If you say
harge comes from the offices of tho
Cur.ard Line. IT. ring up Mr. Sumner,
tb* general agent of the Cur.ard com
and ask him abcut.it
WbJla Mr. Franklin was -acting fei
.11 to be answered it was explained
? him that Mr Stead had made the
-?atemenu coupled with ?he assertion
?hat he believed it to be true
H<;::.>. Buqumt." Mr. Franklin said.
n h.s call was answered, the re
:.- here say 'hat Mr Stead has
- Um statement to them that of his
knowledge he knows the tVhitc
?'ar held back *h' r>?w? and -?hat he
- It
?*e.9.ri Makes D-"-,ial
Then, he listened for some seconds at
UM receiver, anally turning to the re?
porters and saying
"I h?5ar Mr. Stead say to Mr Sumner
that any such statement is an *mqua!l
fted Ba>"
I her* it was suggested to Mr. Frank -
Bb that since there were three persons
t?res*--.t to *<*.-hom Mr. Stead had made
h:s sTatement. he be ask*d to com?
?wcuni and face them in.person, orlth his
?eclar-ition that they were lying. Mr.
Frank!:- ac-*ept?*>d this suggestion and
asketl Mr. S'ead t0 gmpAm. to his office.
, Jr. th? -r.terval it waa explained to Mr.
Franker, that the rtatement -was net
rsaae in the form m which he had r*
paatad it over the telephone*, but was
'hit Mr. Stead had the information
from a rr.an who Stead said he believed
krew what he was tilklng about.
!r. ? torn moments Mr. Stead appea**?-?d
?n a hlgh'v excited state of mind. Mr.
Franklin asked him to state what h*?
-?:i? He answered'
It 's an absolute and unqualified 11
?hat I ^aid anything connecting th*
White Star Company with the auppres
?sion of the news that the Titanic bad
BmSk The fact is this I did state ?hat
? persona: 'mend of mine cam? to me on
Tuesday. He Is a man of standing in
the business world. He stated ?hat he
had positive information on Mond ?a y
morning by 10 o'clock that ?he Titani:
had sunk. This man is in the mercan?
te bu .?Mr <*?*?<*. but is not c-nnected with
shipping lnt^r?-. ?.
W?Mr*1 Give Informant*? N?>n?a.
'^111 you say who tht? man ?s*" Mr
Stead was askt I.
1 will cot,"' h* rep!?*--i
"Do you net think that the '?Vhi'*?-* Star
V.ne ought to be interested in f?ndin"*:
e*"t who this man is that kn***?* so early
?hat the Titanic had ?sunk"" Mr. Frank?
lin was a?ked.
"tv? c<^rta.in! lara-ated,** Mr.
Franklin ?-aid.
"Would not thfe simplest way to g?t
April Is Fick!^
but you can depend on our Spring overcoats
If you like a conservative overcoat in Oxford o?
black it awaits you here at from $16 to ?42
if you like a little gaiety we have overcotts in
fancy effects at $18 to $35.
If you're keen on the very newest?Inverted-plait
Back Overcoats, $30.
Astor Place &l Fourth Avenue
& Altaran*: (tot.
32 INCHES V/1DE $1.50-& 2.00 PER YARD
$mii Aufraie, 34?) <utb 351ft &**ti5' #m **?
Cl-e* r h m?.'? Vv j?n Fr?riitV) art i mi -? -he V _.t-.H '"' 1 ?re? ct*arrcV..n Orean;. -itiVinir r.fi the T',r,tis.h rroit.
5? H be ?to asV: Mr. Stead yOUTMlf Mr
j Frenklir.. foi tat name o| v : Inform
' ant?' he -was _sked
"Oh, ? don't ? ? any per?
sona! ?ror.tr"*. any," Mr Frankiin Bald,
Imperien*." I defv ?any on? to prov?
that Te-, had sr.v idea that The ship had
foundered up *o thc momeni
received the message from Captain H.d
dcck of the 0)ynutye apprtitng ui o.
that fact- This irai g bru? ?
on Monday night Wa fay? II to th?
press at or.ee. I <?Jo no? think w? are
being treated .girl-?- If the pr^??. want?
to let th.ern r?jn this mat*-- do* n them
?e!i-ec '
!<? ?hi' aJl yoa iran? o? "_r Mr
Franklin." Mr Stead seid. making a
sidewise botx? I repea? that I did not
aeeus? you of iuppraaalng th? -
"That Is all, and I th .nk yon far com?
inr" -?id Mr Tr^rktir?
Batlava? Report c.rrod
La*er at hi! ofllc? aftW Ml VU
Mr Franken'?. O0?ca Mr Stead afTaod
that the following was the ?tatema! I I
had rnf.de and itlll itood by
"I met a friend on Tneoday who a_-ke^
me when ?he Cunard company fir?*
hoard of the pinking of the Tit-.? . |
told him it was about 11 o'clock or I
day night wh?r wo got our flrat n?*?
He paid to me 'That : |
>?eard it at 10 o'clock or. Monday morn?
ing Toil knot.- what my affiliation? are.'
"This man has gone West. H? || ? ?
In the shipping bvainea? ??ut in <he mer
??antPe Une. when ha said that, I
ing him. I firmly ebaliov? wl^at h?
was Urna
"What do you ?hink wa? th< 01
foi i ippreaalnf *he n?v ?'" wai ?he form !
of the neri QUOatlOn put to him
ftyn ftt any m?_Mac? from J p Mo??
g.n. ,ir. ssking that 1 b? v.t-r-x
No. we got nc lUCh message" hi r"
pilad I think the nei-s ?*a? held back
for humanitarian reasons, in 'he hope
that !"m? of the ship? would b? h'.rd
from witi th? word thai mor? pa?
?encan had bean r,-?"jed
H Miller Wonld Exclude Fepor*.
prp from Carpathia b Pier.
Reiwirtan =.r _ pr?s? photographers hav?
cor.-;?; to tr.e pc'-it where they are insolent,
according to Hoffman Miller, a !a*-v*r, of
*. Kir.g, Lane * Trafford, of v
ray and beHevtaf all such pt
should be excluded from ?h* plei on th?
arrival of the Carpath.lv Mr Millar wrote
the following let**?r to thf ?.unard H'*a*o
?hip Company yesterday
Cunard f?teamshl??i*Cc?mpan'
Dear Sir If the matter hat not already
received your eonsldtration, may I suj|
? ? ? i. from vo'.
th? arrival of the Carpathia rap
photoi Th? I "??"" '
against the persistent ar?1 ?..'gar aetlvltle?
? n? slrrrla: *
meant .*- , ti a f ?'??? s
fron. ?
Mr Milk r ' ? A. I
some reporters w\ a not II
If ... ?era a ;;asserg<-r ?>n th? ?"arpathla
-.nd photographers and rap-orten gati.etej
? | . ? s what he wouM do:
I'd *r> mj best to kill roeh Insolen! pi
.' H do '
j hi- , ? th? letter
bard < or pany. Mr Mtii*-- d<
except that he ?
Amar i * protect th.
Of the T"
"How wo i y< . hav< th' people
1 who ??re no? a! >e -, ...
docksT Mr M?'.er was asked
lei *'e ;iearr,*l ?p ?"ompan'.es %;? ?
ou! the bulletins and let the reporter? take
such bulletin? It would do away with all
l< inter lav Ing busineaa "
Was Captain Prudent. Test of
Company'f Responsibility.
Moses H OrCMman of Fl US4 Grossman
L Vorhau.', of No 11
counsel for the lurrlvor? ot the m fat^l
Gknaral Blocum, ?whan ink . for hit opinion
billty ol the o-?n
th? Til to th? ?tin r ors and fain
... m ol thOM v"ho perished, ^?d
"In a word tl riteri?**n nt i.ab''*".- .?
Did til ? 'in his sh'.r? with such
a-- a rt-jscnah:.' careful fnd prudent cap
tala would ha?e used und - mflar dr?
eumstaacaa The antwer must await fur?
ther edvleei ?* Mr Grossman oor.unutd
Broadly speaking, II wai the duty of the
of th? Tltank to se? te It that hi?
Officer? ard ere".- were rt:.*?oned In their
II th? situation prevailing
when the accident occurred was critic.!
The collision occurred When there was a
h?avy fog. so that especia! care wa? re
Fron this, it follows ?hat if the
??'fee! wa? proceeding at fnll ?peed In a
dense (of. !t was neglect or. the part ot th?
certain It appears ?further that the prox?
imity of icebergs had been previously re
ported end. ot course, if this was known.
or should have beer, known bv the eomnar.v
rr the captain ot the Tltar.ic, he violated
hi. d"tv if he did not pro??eed at surh a
rate of speed as would enable him to avoid
sr.v iceherK which might be In the. course.
r r-hernnore. If. by a reasonable departure
from the course, the dancer could have
been avoided, he would seem to have bten
at fault.
Prior to ISM shipowners were subject to
unlimited liabilities for all accidents. The
Harter act, passed by Congress In IS...
sought to allow shipowners to limit their
?abi?ty as a result of accidents. In other
word* the vessel that was guilty of the
act cauelng the damage was sold and the
proceeds or fund resulting therefrom be.
came a sum of money In wj.ich all claim?
ants rr.lf.ht share.
The case cf the Titanic, Mr. Grossman
laM, presents many new features, which
undoubtedly will develop new law, as few
cases are in the records of vessels being
entirely lost through purely outside causes.
Ho added:
In my opinion, under the American law.
the !os>s of the entire vessel naturally
would prevent any limitation of liability,
tut tne En?llth act allows the court to es?
timate a tonnage valuation Just before the
accident and fix that amount as th?
amount which the owners mutt make up to
the creditors or claimants against the ves?
sel. The contracts for passare were Eng.
Ush contracts and properly would be lltl
__.ble In the English courts.
I am further of the opinion that any In?
surance which the owners might have on
the vessel cannot be reached ty claimants,
as their contract of Insurance Is a coll?t*
eral undertaking There are many claims
which would take priority over the claim?
of the passengers Salvage, which Is sure
to be a very large Item In this ease, would
come first, followed by wages due to sea?
men and those employed In the navigation
of the vessel.
Wausau, Wls., April 17?Oeorge Hart, for
many years court reporter here, said to
bor. been lost on the Titanic, was not on
board, according to a latter received here,
?vhlrh stated his reservation had been can-,
?nouirers swarm hotels
rripnri*; and Rplativp*-; of P?SS?i-V
rjrrr, ?Rp'-trgp Qffirp--,.
J'-dg-irg fr?-**T> Rep*ortat? Few if
Anv Entire Partiel Wfll Oom?
to Claim Jhr-m
r--a. tlnet oterd eras received in *?** i ?
of the d!sts'?r 'hat >??>!! ,he Titanic th?
'??"?*-?-? a? tb? "I? hotSll IMV?
' ? friend? sr:?J rtlatlV?M of thOM WbO
h?d hooV?/* rgtrgge m t?e IhtOt The
?"l??rKi have been k?r' g up
( rewi.pa ?er rff-cs and th? OtAeot et 'h?
M <;'ar Lin?? to 8*k about this ?31 'hat
"?.'?*? ?.? th* b?ab<M1 of tnxjoua n??"
Mom f Uh iMMla ?bave t*ie.---ari") offie???,
2nd Um rporat'-r? hairi b?MH k?*T? hxsty
'? ? . * i ?? - * ? ? h?. ?I no -w |
'h? Carpathii Th* or.iv rriv**'* RMS*
?a r?*la: ???1 from Iht ?'arpathla
ism, presld? ? ? if th?
tny, who H*?s a? the
Pia?** The f at?flg? read
?? -?*-. h-.Hr?1 C arpathla '
fa and
?9a*t>fbter Margam
'he Titanic.
privat? -"?'?ir? wai T?*-'a*f?*l
from th?* Olympic U> I ? f-A'tor!*?
If wn* r?-?i\?d by Mrs J ">*? Etolt-nel ol
Youngstown. Ohio, and read
All th? motoan ere t-ate Hi??* i- -?.?-.r?*
of Georg?
This m*s?aiT? **>a? from Henrv Wick, *
broth?- of Mrs Bonnelh who le aboard the
Olympic Th?- phraae "All the women sai'
1? b?!.ev?i- to rc-fer only te th* women of
?ii?- Wick party, whi?-h nclud<ad tflM Caro?
lin?- Bonnell. her aunt, MtM Lltrab?-?h Por
pell; Q<<Mrfe D Wlek, Un Wich ?nd their
da<agbtar. Mlaa Natal*-? v' *
Friends of I>r and Mn H ' I' ra?i
' ? at th?. Hottl NMharlandrt, vere
gratitVd t?-? learn that tboy ?rar? among
th?? Tf-b^'teri Mra Frau?-*T.ha!. - he ?TM
Mrs ?"hartes Rogers, of tbta dty ?nd Far
Rotckawa* baton her second ii:arrlag?.
?raa married to r??* Prtnantlial m Pari?
la?? F*?.ruar?
71.? i-,?. ?? r.rr\ b??,r'* from ?h?"*-, 'as
frota Milan, Italy, *-"hen they sent word
? 0 reserve, an apartment for them at the
Netherlands, beginning last Tuesday When
the Titanic was expected to dock Dr.
Frauenthal la head of the Orthopedic Hos?
pital, at 123d street and Madien avenue.
Mr and Mrs Fr*4 Royt, of Greenwich,
Conn., who are numbered among th.? saved,
had also reserved apar? menu ct the Hotel
Many friend* of WIDtaUa H Silvey, of |
Duluth who had ordered rooms reserved
for Mrs Stl'*ey end hln*self before they
sailed or. the Titanic, were hoping that
later dispatches ?would number him amonf
the saved. But they had little hope, for
all the lists of save.d. while including: Mrs
6!lvey, made no mention of her husband.
Another couple whom the disaster proba?
bly parted, who had reserved room? at the.
Gotham, were Mr. and Mrs William A.
Spencer, of this city. The Hat of rescued
speaks of Mrs. Spencer and her maid, but
there Is no word of her husband
At the St- Regl? Mrs. James Brcwn Potter
was hoping that the name of her brother
in-law, Thoma? Porter. Jr.. would be In
eluded beside that of his wife, whose name
appeared In the first list of those rescued.
Many who probsbly went down with the
Titanic had reserved rooms for themselves
at the Rlts-Carlton. Among them were
Mr? T D M. Cadusa, whese relative, Mrs
J. W. M Cadusa, is listed among the res?
cued m Mrs. J. W. Cadeza. They are Phila
Lucien P Smith, whose ""rtfes name ap?
pears among th?^ rescued, was also proba?
bly lost No word has been heard at the
Rttz-Carlton of Mr. and Mrs. E. Hlpkln?,
of London, who sailed on the Titanic.
At the Hotel Manhattan J. W. All'son. of
Montreal, la mourning the loss of his cou
?In, H S. Allison, and th? latter's wife. In
the list of reacued appear only the names
of his cousin's son. Master Allison, and his
I The commlttM rn the semi-centennial
; celebration of the Produce Exchange,
which was arranging for a dinner to-mor?
row night, held a special meeting yesterday
and resolved that, on account of the arrival
ct the Titanic survivors, the dinner should
be postponed Indefinitely.
Mayor Gaynor ordered the flag en the
City Hall ard other municipal building?
placed at-half mist yesteida*.' out of re?
spect to these who periab-d when the
71 unie sank.
New and Exclusive
Cretonnes and Chintzes
Our showing o? Cretonnes and Chintzes in XVIII Century designs
will appeal to those interested in the furnishing and decoration of country
homes. Many of our patterns are reprints of old Chintzes made in Eng?
land at that time, and can be secured only from us.
The materials are cotton, natural and bleached linens. The designs
are Floral, Bird of Paradise, French Medallion. Chippendale-Chinese, re?
productions of Old Needlework, etc., etc.
These fabrics are shown combined with hand-made furniture?repro?
ductions of XVIII Century models, with which these Chintzes were origin
allv used?and with white and colored enamel bedroom furniture.
Our Wall Papen and Hangings are made in many designs to match
and are the choicest obtainable from French, English and American manu?
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and small self-colored design papers.
New Address :
Fifth Avenue and Forty-seventh Street ? 1
-rrnr^m 11 i?yiti ut yt n - rrr__
Companies Place Figure* at
nose to $2,000,000.
'Double Liability Clause" Hits
other. Hard, but Amount
M?y Be Reduced.
The item of accident Insurance frown"?
sol of the loss of the Titanic will be far
In ?vxcesr of that of the life Insurance
Claims All of the accident Insurance com?
panies had ?heir ir.spe'C'.rs b'isy yesterday
? .tinif the ageregaie. to????. they would
ha Vf m f.,? 'i- r." most of the rich men
6n bo?rd tK<? veeael wan actually lost.
Judging from the es'lmates of the various
?".mpanles, the figures will nm up close to
%*_,,_,-,,.,,-, -[?*,? representatives et one of
rg-T companies ?aid they had f 1.000,
i f accident risk? smong the men p.s
rr.panles were hopeful that
these Bgarei would be tutataatlalljr reduced
whan the complete lie! ot :-'ir.!"ors was
The "do'ihl? liablll'v ?.lause" In the ae
?".?Vnt policies !? responsible for the ur.
eOattal macnl I ????claims. This clause
reqiiir?s the ?-?-??-'" pa nies to pay double death
benefits In rase-1 Where the Insured loses
his life whlll 'ravelling on a public con?
veyance "prop-lied by s'eam or electricity"
Tn fidd'H^r? te the ..?aims for death bene?
fits, tbi ko Id. 1)1 companies may have to
pa:- ever a le-ge sum severing the illness
of those whose health sui?ered from the
?train and exposer?, Which they er.coun
*?r?d Most of the accident policies con?
tain a provision for health insurance which
obtlfatee the company to pay to those whose
health has been injured by the accident a
weekly Indemnity for periodo ?arylng from
twanty-aia *o im weeks
Charles M Hav?, president of the Grar.d
Trunk Railway, whose name has not ap?
peared on the 1'st of survivors, is said to
hav? enrriari u |M,tM acclder.? policy. This
?weald mean the payment of $100,000 to his
estate In case he lost his life. It Is ret
h?!i?ved that Colonel John Jacob Astor car?
ried any accident insurance, as it is not the
custom of very rich men to trouble them?
selves a bou* obtaining such protection for
?\?!r famille* Among the two or three
hundred nan reported lost, however, the
claims on the accident companies are bound
to he heavy. I
The class of people who Insure against
accident most liberally are usually thote of
fairly moderate means who belong to the
great class of well-to-do tourists. Moat of
these travellers have accident policies rang?
ing from ti.OOO to 150.000, and the 'double
liability clause" is now part of all such
! accident insurance contracts. It i* believed
[that when the actual losses to the accident
insurance companies are known they win
total the largest amount ever reported
through the destruction of any one steam?
? Bo far as the large life Insurance compa
?nles have endeavored \o estimate their
?losses based on the Incomplete list of sur
jvivors received. It Is apparent that they
I will r.ct be comparatively large. The Equl
j table Life Assurance Society cut down lta
figure? of ?S3.000, which were estimated
Tuesday, to $43.000 yeaterday, on the
strength of the report that two men who
had not appeared en the early Hat of sur?
vivors had been saved. Colonel Aator had
no iniurance with the Equitable, it was
said. '
A representative of the New York Life
company estimated their life Insurance
claims at something under $10>,000. Benja?
min Guggenheim carried a policy for $25.000
with the company and Henry B. Harris,
the theatrical manager, one for .$5.000, It
was said. Colonel Astor was not Insured
by the company. The Mutual Life made no
estimate of the amount of insurance held
In that company among the Titanic passen?
gers unaccounted for, but it was said that
the amount would not be large. One of the
large out-of-town companies estimated that
its loss would probably be about $150.000.
Hugo P. Treir Believes Titanic Struck
Iceberg at an Angle.
San Francisco. April 17-That the Titanic
was sunk by a lateral tearing and not by a
head-on collision Is the opinion of Hugo P.
Freer designer of the battleship Oregon
? ni. one of the authorities In naval con
mu-tlon on the Pacific Coast.
The sides of a vessel rre the most diffi?
cult to prot.-t.** said Mr rraar. "Th.y
mjq i^aqj?jI lwB?U?_4M *'_<??3 in a ?ic-rr.
The Sentiment of
the Morning Room
THE Morning I^oom?often
one of the most captivating
features of the Country House?
may in its furnishing express the
underlying sentiment of,its usage.
Its distinctly feminine character
may be suggested as well by the
elegance of Hepplewhite as by the
grace of the XVIII. Century French
Furniture to be found among our
Reproductions of old world originals.
34 and 36 West 32c! Street
Between Fifth Ave. and Broadway
New York
flDaoi?on sanare (Wiest
$4.00 per dozen
B | d A B u 11 <f i n g Singer Building
tt\ Fi'th Avenu? \*t> Broadway
' ahiDs anatum.y. end it la my opinion that
? ?he Titanic struck the Iceberg from an
1 Lnele A head-on colliaion could hardly
hav'i done the damage necessary to sin* the
vessel." ,
According to reporta received In Brooklyn
yesterday, the Rev J. Stuart Holden did
?not sail from England on the White Star
liner Tit-uiic. Owing to the aerioua Illness
of hia wife. It la paid, he cancelled hla
i passage at the last mini te. William R.
i Moody director of the religious work of
'the Northfleld Foundation, In Eaat North?:
' field Mass., in beht-l? o? which Mr. Holden
was'to have preached, received a. ?-able mea
sage aaying the mlnlater had not Bailed.
The English preacher wa* to have apoken
In Carnegie Hall on Friday, at the Conaer
vatlve Congrees of the Men ehd Religion
Forward Movement. _
The Rocky Mountain Club of New York
at a meeting of the house committee yes
terday afternoon decided to postpone the
ibeefsteak dinner scheduled for Saturday
evening. April 20, until the following- Satur?
day April 27. owing to tba Bloom into which j
'the city has been cast became of the TI-1
iu.nlc dieaater. . ?.
*"???. u. ?. ??1 ??x*
for Women's Feet
Women will find a natural
?*md <5o*nfortable help for tir??d
foot muscle-? and wigging arch,
in the Coward Arch Support
The special construction of
this shoe, holds the arch and
ankle in place, reliev?ea th?
ache, and is the only ?sfficient
relief for falling arch and flat
Coward Areb Pot^ort 5b?M and
Cow.rd extension h?nI have beam
asmie ky Jemas S. CernerA. la Me
Cueteas D*pt. fer ever at) yea,-?.
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