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for men are built
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the most particular.
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STAMPED ON A SHOE
MIAN9. STANDARD OF MUtrV
6th Ave. at 20th St. 381?5th Ave.
?
ROOSEVELT HEARD
IN OWN DEFENCE
4 i.nllnurd from paa* ?
had wi?hed the jury to
Bowers Baked him about
ant h th? fermer
Republican State Com
thpowei
?
not fit to govern
"They
y party or
run party or
, you can't have leaders, un- ?
?y.' "
\nnthcr Answer Holed Ont.
iy. Colonel
? trayed no triumph, but sat
? i arm flung over the back
i y-ii-id twist
el sin But he eras to
Hi tried to
I beard
hi.?Is u?ed in Pghting
ralod ont.
?ness promptly
uentiy I sent Mr.
'
'.?:,'," put in Mr.
rvr-ri?? brusquely, "?hat Ji'ii did
i. Burke. What
i is s?hat you did to
- "
v head aadly, Colonel
i ? his seat at
lay's appear
1 the unexpecf?- !
? plaintifT, ended w Ih
on the lips of Mr.
:
start it was evident that
i duel between Colonel
;? i, Mthourh the
that th?
iy 1 a.I begun to
? plenty of time yet,
re far from
The direct
i ont nned to-mor
? 1, the
. . \s:l! be the
*o come.
. - till to be C'vered on
itlon. About the only
r ?? issue
'tie at
toward the franchise
ppointment of L.
'. 1 i.surance Superintendent.
who wa? so obviously
Itchii i own way
very much at ?
dr. The seat is in a
? nt the 1? ft of the judge
aritnesa can
? a An?
drews'? desk ot I sshich sepa
m from the jui y bon,
i both. His pun
Roosevelt
gent remarks ?ere hammered out first |
on the edge of the judge's desk and !
then on the railing. At time? be ,
chopped away with his extended right !
hand, bringing the little finger down on
his knee with a thud.
Faser lo Answer.
Although his enjoyment wa? cur
tailed by the activity of counsel, the
Colonel brought out every word with
the pleasure of an epicure. Over some
words he smacked his lips, lingering
on the vowels. Others he bit off sharp?
ly Time and again when Mr. Bowers
began a question Roosevelt leaned for
vtard. eagerly anticipating the teiml
nation. One could fairly see the su?
mmt posed on his lips, which were
pinched into silence out of deference to
the court.
It was during his examination that
Mr. Harnes, so far as any_ one in the
courtroom notice?!, first ?tts'red directly
at ?.he Colonel. When mention of the
short campaign that began at Siboney
br?. light a new gleam to Colonel Roose?
velt's eyes and added vim to his ges?
tures Mr. Barnes slewed his chair
around and gazed straight at the wit?
ness. Again when Colonel Roosevelt
began to recount his conversations with
the ex-chairman of the Republican
State Committee Mr. Barnes fast' nod
his pale eyes upon him.
The glances were not returned. The
witness was too full of the story he
must tell, if the absurd court rules
?so?'Id let him, to permit of any per
foiitil recognition. His eyes roved over
the audience and occasionally rested on
the jurors, but never once did they
?? on Mr. Barnes.
Even at the morning session Colonel
Roosevelt gave indication that, now
that the preliminaries were about over,
his interest was awakening. Mr. Ivins,
in his opening address, brought the
first flash. He concluded with a chal?
lenge which be flung squarely into the
l'a teeth.
"Aid so," the lawyer declared, shak?
ing a forefinger at the stocky figure
?eatetl at the counsel table, "we nava
brought him here to substantiate those
charges if he can."
Colonel Roosevelt's teeth were wait?
ing for the challenge before it was fin
v-'tied. They gleamed in the grin of
, the tighter and little wrinkles guthered
at the corners of his eyes as they nar?
rowed. His head shook pugnaciously
an?i he gave Mr. Ivins stare for stare.
While William H. Van Bensehoten
! was outlining the Roosevelt ca?e to the
Harvey I'. Hinman, as melancholy
in ??ppearanee as Simeon Ford, entered
dropped into a chair in line sv.th
? (Monci Roosevelt's gaze. The Colonel
flung his right hand high above his
head in joyous greeting. Later ?b? y
had luncheon together at the Onondaga.
ROOSEVELT TELLS
OF MACHINE RULE
Not Permitted to Say All He
Wishes, but Repeats Talks
with Barnes.
1 - at a 'lif? Onrrrajxmdr-.t ?if TT-. TVIt-un? I
Syracuse, N. Y., April 20. Political
machine rule and boss domination In
1 the affairs of .New York State was the
! burden of the testimony of Colonel
1 beodore Roosevelt in .the trial of the
1 Barnes $60,000 libel suit to-day. Under
j oath, as the first witness of the de
; fence, he undertook to prove his state
! ment that William Barnes was not only
j in sympathy with big business, but ha?i
I a han?l in shaping affairs in Albany so
: that the interests of big business were
protecc.l
All that the witness was permitted to
. do along that line was to repeat what
' Mr. Barnes had said to him in conver
! nations at various times and what he
had said to Mr. Barnes in regard to
I
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In addition to uninterrupted facilities for
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to the Equitable Building
or any place else?
Y OU will find the largest and most com?
plete line of office furniture at our sales
rooms?the Doten Dunton Line of distinctive
furniture in Mahogany?in complete matched
suits?desks, chairs, table?, etc. Filing cabinet? in
wood and steel. Six floor? devoted to ?amples.
R(_7_D,'scourrts T)er^y^e^
We have bought the entire factory stock of
Derby good? and must clo?*e out the line. ?40 to
50 , discount on all Derby good? until they are
?old. Look everywhere?then get our price?.
?Tbc Stobe-^rnkkc Co.
Main Store: 3S0 Broadway, cor. White St.
Branch: 30 Church St.. Hudson Terminal
Irrepressible in Duel
BARNIM LISTENING TO H
conversations he had hsd with Senator
Thomas C. Platt and other??.
Mr. Roosevelt got no further down in
hi- r.'c-i-.al Of th ii ...il
anti-racetrack bill, in
He ? -? me Ihe ?tor*? to
mon
nent was ???nod, last
July.
According to the Colonel, Mr. Harne*
?
1 eMci.- in??? inter
e.?*,.?, because, u i pi'o
tected, they would not make any politi
- cal eontriout ion?, ai d wi
contribution? ,t would be Imj
iry on political orj
while without organizations and bosses
i/ernment could nol exi it
people wire not fit to govern
* oloi ? : aid Mr. Harnes
? ild him.
The nii.i.i pointr. in political his'ory
to-day were: The fight on the fra
t???: law, the attempt made to ?get Gov
? er'.or Rooaovelt to reappoint Louis V.
Payn, a? Insurance Superintendent, and
th? attempt to defeat the anti-race*
' track law.
When it came to permitting, the con
on? that the ( oior.el wanted to
repeat bearing on the bipartisan com?
bination ;.' Aihi days when
| he wa. Governor. Justice Andrews
ruled that it was competent evidence
if it tended t" ?prove the alleged libel
ous utterance? ?>nd had been put in the
p.eadmgs ol the neier.ee. It was not in
the pleadings, but the ? olonel got some
| of it in, anyway, in ?pit? of the fact
that decision was reserved on the point
us to whether there were precedents
that, such matter outside the answer
c.u'.d be nut in.
Mr. Roosevelt ?Muted that he had
been elected Governor in 1H'.?H. and bo
fore the expiration of hi? term elected
Vice-President on the Republican ticket
with Prei ident McKinley, but he
set ved his full term as Governor. He
i told of taking office as Vice-President
On March 4, 1901, and serving until the
death of President McKinley in Sep
i tember of that year.
Witnesi said hi* did not go to U'ash
; Ington to I?T? there until March 1! or '.'.
il?- remained only a few weeks, until
after th? Senate adjourned, and then
. returned to Oyster Hay. He did not ko
to Washington again until after he be
can.e President
The Colonol told of being in Vermont
when McKinley was ?hot of going to
Buffalo and remaining there untiil the
wound.*.! President waa supposed to b?
recovering, and then going to the Adi?
rondack?, H?* tol.l of serving a Pre
McKinley'? dei th uni il March
l. 1909, and the nu*" go :a and
Europe, whence lie returned about Jur.o
20, I.
"Si: c? that date," said 'he witness,
"I ha\e engaged in the work of writing
I have at time? bun actif
i went in ti
America, returning in May, 1914, U
Ne v ^ ,.rk, going as head of a scientific
tion.
Alwaya ? New Yorker.
I '"'?"? ? ' : '? "o tel
of h..? non by thi
Progi 1912 and hi? defeat
II?* had lived all his life in the S'att
of New York, his 1 om? I ?i . i .ther ir
Ntv. York City or Oys'.er Hay.
"I.wn? elected from New York (it?
to the Legislature, but I wus a residen'
of New York City during my tin? a? ;
Police Commissioner, and when 1 rat
for Mayor," said the witness. "My firs
odie? was in Oyster Hay, in Issu.
ha\e been most of the time since thei
? i. ?Ident of Oyater Ha. .'?
i oui,?el thin tuoK up the relation:
betw. en ( olonel Hoosevelt and Willian
Bernes.
y. 1>.> you remember ?hen you firs
made hu acquaintance? A. No, but
?V? I hud made his acquamtani
re I ran for Governor; I certain!;
?W a guud deal about him; but nv
first ?i,.-tit el remembrance of him i
during the campaign when I wa? run
? ? -..ir.
y. Do you recall at all how yoi
happened to make his acquaintanc
when yeu were n candidate for Gov
ernor? A Yea; h? wus chairman o
some conn, ittee at headiiuarters, an.
! I saw him I
(j. Where were those headquarter*.
A I think they were at the old Fifll
Avenue Hotel in New Y"rk
Q. After you were elected Goverao
did you meet Mr, Barnes, and whei
and where? A ? ?aw him very oftei
after I \ I I loi er: or, meetim
him in varioua place?, but e?p?
in ; i til ? ? hambcr at th?
itol and at th? Executive Mansion, an.
: con n -a ? -i him I ) writini
also.
Q, D 1 you have any conferences o
with Mr. Barnes afte
you : ?en or, anil say. durini
the wini ? A.
had :. i: imber, a larger numl er ? f con
i fere- him than with any o
I the . tion leaders, excep
Mr. Platt or Mr. Odell and eertati
members of the Legislature, and
-. I had more conversations witl
him t: r. 1 .. : with Mr. Udell, but
? he ?ur..
Q, What was the general nature o
the conversations that you had wit!
Mr. Barnoal A. There were di??cus
sions, polifcal discussion??, for th
moat part .1 tCUMiOM about matter
sect ? w :h myself an
?nator Platt being the
the leader, or bo??, of the ..r;*Hni*.a
tion, and I being Governor.
Q Mr. Harne
or *.
ten ? ' < ?eeutive matter? " s
I natter? v* ?th him ; I ii?
l most of the impurun
oa?AmOAaammo^amKmmrtmrm~-~~-.-,'
.OOSEVELTS TESTIMONY.
matters that grew to he an Issue he-;
tween me and Senator IMatt.
Q. Perhaps you Will explain whit'
?ou m? ?in . I betweon you ami
Senator Platt A Senator Platt ?ras
the bead of ' he organisation, th ?
s publicly
known a.. :h?' "l??
(' Well, he was tue leader, anvway?
A. The leader "f the on si I? .'ion.
and the organization, as 1 had previ
1 speedily found out,
the organization controlled the mi?
ni the Republican numbers <?f
the t.?',ri?lr?ture. and nt tinea ?*'orked
er with the Democratic organi?
zation.
Is-ties with Mr. IMatt
i.'. Well, ? did not mean ny my ques?
tion to call forth that at this W mint.
The issu?'- that you had with Mr Platt
and which vou diacuaaed with Mr.
Barnes, did they relate to legislative or
executive action? A They related to;
legislative sction ar<?l executive action,:
? I either intended to do something ;
as Governor or desired that the Legis?
lature should do something legislative,
or where Mr. Platt and th.? organiza?
tion were antagonistic to what I ?lid or '
? : to do, so that ?ome?ime? the ,
discussion related to executive nction ?
onetimes i" legislative ac?ion.
Mr. Bowers asked Colonel Roosevelt
whether he discussed with Mr. Barnes
the matters to which he had referred ;
aa issues with Mr. IMatt. Mr. Ivins ob?
jected, but the court permitted the
Colonel to answer, "I did." and Mr.
Bowers resumed his examination, ask- I
I ing:
"Now, will you mention tome of the
matters that you so di.-icussed with Mr. j
1 Barnes or with Mr. I'latt?"
Mr. Ivins again objected, and the ?
court suggested it was important to ,
know what matters he intended to i
state.
"I mean to take up in the first in- '
stance," said Mr. Bowers, ".-ome mat?
ters that are not of great materiality, :
showing the ordinary course of busi- ,
ness in so far as it was known to?or, :
1 rather, so far as it was brought in by
th? defendant in this ca.se with Mr.
Barnes, or by any of the other gentle- i
men concerned in the interests of the .
Republican party after Mr. Barnes, was
connected with it."
(?. Did you have a discussion with
Mr. Barnes on the question of your ex
??cutive action concerning canal mat- ;
Mr. Bowers That is not plea.led in
justification in fact, I did not know ;
?.hunt it when the answer was drawn
but there were converaatione had upon '
that queation which \?as the general
<-.,.ii ?. .,i . ?1 the
business that Mr. Barnes talks?!
that question for the
moment," said Mr. Ivins. "1 may come
, back to it later."
Did you have sny discussion with
i him I will have to lend now, your
: honor concerning a proposed fran
it on?
Mr. Ivins -I object, if your honor
pitase, as not constituting, or anything
I which may have resulted from it as
g, ju-tincai?on for the libel
. complained of.
The Court Why isn't it material
This article charges, as you
and as 1 have held so far, 11..?t.
,? the article constitutes B libel 1 lusi
i ? charges, generally, a corrupt alliance
ran Mr. Haines and Mr. Murphy
i with regard to the government of the
t , Mute.
1 Mr. Ivins .*.t present, if your honor
i please; not in respect to the year
i 1899.
? The Court It alleges specfically the
: ia "f buainesi under that charge.
Mr. Barnes and Mr. Murphy
t worked in pursuance of their plans
1 through a corrupt alliance between
i business, and politics. They charge
y that the state government is crooked
y and that it is crooked hecau?e of the
I pi ? .'ominarce of .Mr. Murphy and Mr.
. Barnes. That is enough for the pres?
en:.
j Now, a.? 1 understand, they intend
e to prove bv this evidence that while
- they were diMUsaing this franchi ?? tat
f law Mr Barnes conceded or claimed or
J admitted that he was receiving for the
Republican organization a contribu
? tion from both the Democrats und the
hlicans. and that these contribu?
tions ?ver? made svith the understand
ributoi -hould be pro
. -*a:e government Now, I
i . not quite see why proof 'hat that
; was the fact and that proof can be
?? by admissions?why the proof is
- | not at least a partial justification of
J this libel.
i Q. Before you go into that I Would
like to ask you whether at the time of
1 ?? conversations you hud or had
r not sent any mes?ages to the Legis
I re upon the subject That la
1 ' have any recoliertion at this n.
a I hud a number ? f eonver
f with Mr. Barnes in periods for a period
t ' of weeks, perha;? 01 es before, and cer
J tainly one at least after the act was
1 ( ?invers?tion? \\ ith Barnes
Q. Now 1 want you to tell me what
yon can recor'.ect a? to the conversa
* ? s that pa??ed between you and Mr.
es. or betweer y.i i and ar.v other
e persons, with M: Buries presenl
' ?"err ,-hise tat. concerning
action 8MB :'. in e\ eiy respect,
n Mr. Ivins I ?hull have to a?k coun
- sel to fix the dat.? of the conversations.
Q Tell u? -.he dates, please, as well
I as you can. A ths dates
a
I 1,' . ?S?
A. It ?aa m ?afsitc ?pin.g of the yeai
*. ISM. lrobsbly the conversations be
of Words with Ivins
run In February. I think It was not
intil I had been a month Governor at
e?st. that the matter came up. aiiu
had to take It up. ?_-?__?
Mr. Ivins I object to any father
estlmony in respect to conversation?
n which the third parties *"?(.??
,Bt unie?? ther? be made a ?peciflcs
lun of those who were present.
Mr. Bo-wen Q. Pi"?", ,iCC,'vL nt
?admonition and give ni the name o?
iny third party present in an> < on
,-cr.ation. A. I don't NM|?*M
..me of any third wttt Wtag M???nt
o Toll the detail? of those conver
lationa. A. Mr. Barnea indorsed Mr.
[Matt'? protest.
Mr. [?in? 1 ?bject to that.
The i ?urt No. Tell what Mr.
liarnos sai?l t?> you.
Can't Remember Dates.
Q. Can y?.u ?UM wnere theiflnt
?onversation took place? A. There
-M more than one MB *???????;_.;
think there were lev.ral. but I cannot
Uate whore they took place. My Im?
pression i? that the one on the rail?
way w?.s after the passage of he Dill,
but even of that I am not sure
Mr. Ivins I shall have to a?k coun?
sel to t>sk his wituess to what bUl n?
refer?.
Mr. Rower? You know.
Mr lvinb No; wait a minute. Two
bills were passed by tlie Legislature
?n franchise tan. one known us the
Ford bill and the other known as the
bill which finally became a law; both
were passed by tho Legislature.
Mr. Mowers In what form would you
like the question put?
Mr. Ivms In some intelligent form,
if vou please.
Mr. Bowers I will take your form
an., then it certainly ?rill be intelligent
perhaps to the average man.
Mr. Ivins You know perfectly well
then were tWO bill? passed; olio was
pending and was m Mr. K""" ?
us a thirty-day bill. You arc
??king a question in regard to a con?
versation concerning a franchie? tax
law.
Mr. Bowers All I want is th? con-1
?creation,
Mr. Ivins I want to fis- these dates.
Now, the qu?*stion is as to a frunciuse
tax law.
The Court Now, you may give the
conversations, not your conclusion?;
give a? far as you can the language or
the substance of it. A. The substance;
I ca ngive only the substance, and ot
the exact language of the conversation.
May 1 give the history of the two bills?
Platt Opposed Bill?.
Mr. Boose-volt Mr, Barnea ?tated
that Mr. Platt was right in h s oppoa
tion to the ?hill. The objection t" th ?
franchise tax bill when the objection
first came up, there was but one bill
before the leg: * i.itur?-.
The Co'irt Never mind that. Just
give the conversation with Mr. Harne-..
Mr. Rcoaevelt Mr. Harne?, in his
earlier conversations wiih me, ob
|ected t.? th? ??MUitan of the franchise
tax bill and upheld Mr. Platt in Mr.
Platt'? opposition.
The ?Court It i? very material, . .
the important part of the conversation
la any alleged admissions made by Mr.
Hur?es us to his reasons for opposing
the bill. Whichever bill It means does
not make any difference.
Mr. Bower? I do not care anything
about the franchise bill.
Mr. Roosevelt -It would be absolute?
ly impossible for me to remember
which bill I discussed.
Mr. Ivins I a*=ked that the answer
be stricken out unless it be made spe?
cific, as there wero two bills pending,
two bills passed, two bills simulta?
neously in the hands of the Governor,
and that it was quite possible for tho
plaintiff to have opposed one of these
Dill? and favored the other.
The Court upheld the motion.
Mr. Bowers -You must tell us what
Mr Barn? aid to you. A. Ho ?ai i
that Mr. Platt was right in his oppo?
sition to the bill.
Platt Aided Colonel.
Mr. Ivins Your honor, I must ask
which of the bills It was that he said
that he was right In respect to, be?
cause I expect to prove that Mr. Platt
opposed one bill and supported the
other, and assisted Mr. Roosevelt in
hin passage of the other bill.
The ?Court Who supported or who
attacked :ne bills is not of the slight?
est importance here. The only ques?
tion ?s whether Mr. Harnes stated any?
thing which showed an mproper meth?
od of contribution made by persons
to either political putty that he be?
longed to. That is the only part of
the conversation that is of any im?
portance.
Ivina I object to it on the
ground that at that time there was no
statute with regard to political contri?
bution?, and no law whatever with re
gaid to th- propriety of anybody, in?
dividual or corporation, in one part-,
or another party, with reaped to the
contributions. That any testimony in
regard to it la immaterial and irrele?
vant, and has no tendency whatever to
support the complaint made. At least,
the answer set up here refers to a
time after the passage of the luws con?
cern, r.g political contributions.
The Court Well, it does not need
any statute to ?ay that to allow th
jury to believe that a contribution
made bv person? sympathising with
each political party, t?. the organization
of one of those partie?, with the un?
derstanding that the business interests
of the contributor shall be guarded and
protected by reason Of their contribu?
tions, was improper.
Mr. [vina If that were the conversa?
tion.
The Court That I understand from
the answet is to be the conversation.
Democratic Contributors to Fund.
Mr. ?Sowen Perhaps we will get an
?newer. I want you to go on and give
it as eloeclj m yon can, give your own
language and Mr. Barnes's langnage,
exactly what each of you said, whether
made in the presence of third person*?
or not, and please do not draw uny con
elusion?. Just toll us what each of you
said. A. At that point of the eonver*
- - --? -..,.v pawn "? .lie VM.??'!
sation the question aro?e whether on
my stiterrtnt or on Mr. Barnes's, I de
, not remember, but I think it was on
.... .? .... ...,,,.?.,,._? ?.?iii|.aiKii liintis
?nil that it had been a siitpri?e to mi
' because they were Iieinocr.it?. Mr
Harnes sa.I that of cour?.* Mr Pla'i
I was entirely right in that position
that men who contributed to both
political parties were in Albany or n
; the immediate adjacent territory ol
, Albany. Two of the big business "men
whose names he gave me,
Pruyn
W Vou need not give the n
less they are asked for.
Mr. Ivins I request the name?
Mr. Roosevelt Mr. Robert Pruyr
? nd Mr. Anthony Brad*., who .?."re eon
nected with the electric power com
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N A II M 1 ,te.t ???/ A,..?. n.. . u
pames there, had been very heavy c?
tnhiitor? to the Republican campa
fund. He did not say. judge this U
referenee to wha'. vou said upon ]
bench I do not remcmher him sayl
that they had contributed to him -
1 cannot nav whether they were a
tributions to the state or county ca
paign funds, but they were the sta
ments they had been of great use to
they were among the hoavleat <"'
I'ibutors of the campaign fund. I Bj
that it was perfectly natural that 1
I'ryun should contribute, that h? r
beeti a Republican, and I knew 1
hacke.l up the Republican party; I
i hat I had always understood that .
Anthony Brady was a very strong D?'
oi-riit, and thut the Democratic I h
?,.??ii it or heard it stated thnt ?
Democratic number of the Legislati
at that time from Albany, a man
th.? mime of Kelley, bad been v?
much opposed to this bill.
Mr ?vins nsrain o1?Je?-te?l thnt I
bill was not specified, but was ovi
ruled by ih?> court ...
Mr. Roosevelt Mr. K-Mley had be
protesting against the pa?,ago
the bill on the ground that it wot
hurt Mr. Bradv's interests, and so
was surprised to lenrn that Mr. Brn
bud contributed to tho Republic
fund. A?id Mr. Barnes answered th
Mr. Brady contributed, not us B mi
ter of politics, but as a matter
business, because he could not ha
tho gicat Interesta he represented e
posed to attacks by demagogues a
scoundrels in tho Legislature. I I
lievo that the expression that he us
wns that it would be unjust to t
widows and orphans who had invest
in the concerns of which he was t
head. I say I believe it was an e
pression which he uaed to me. and
think Mr. Barnes used it on this occ
sion.
Mr. [vina I don't get vour relati
pronouns. i*ou have uaed "ho"
two or three diff?rent ways. I do B
know whether you tire referring to M
Brady or Mr. Barnes.
The witness then repeated the stat
ment and went on to amplify it: "Th
big business men hud to take BU1
action, in <?r?ler to protect th?ir on
great interest., and that if the R
publican par'y adopted a populistic ?
socialistic creed, all of the contrib
tiona would be made to the Dam
cratic party, and that it was nice
eary that tho Republican part-, be k>
a.? the Conservativa party. 1 an v. i : I
that I certainly would r."t willingly i
any Injustice to any corporation, bi
' at, if an*, corporator, i.
tribatlon with th* expectation that
\s ould rocela i it .on whic
from the popular standpoint, I regar?
ed as improper, n.a'. corporation wi
in error. I think the ?
j ed was that it would 'get left,' bi
I am not sure that I used tha: i
sion. That is the I I
used, it was I believe, at a subsi
quent conversation,
been at the iams conversation that,
expressed to Mr. Barnes my astotusl
n'ent that when I sent my specu
message to tho Legislatura to exp?
dite th"? first or lord franchisa to
bill, thut it ahould have been,turn u
by the Speaker. Mr. Barnes told rr
that it was fooli = h of me to exp04
; the Speaker and Mr. Al.ds to act i
such a ma'ter until ?h"y iiad the
orders or directions from the organ
zation.
Mr. Bowers -Who was Mr. Allds? ?
Mr. Allds was the leader of the Ai
1 sembly at that time the llooi
ol the Assembly and it was Mr. Nixo
and Mr. AM? who would usual.y com
to mc about matters from the As.sen
bly.
Mr. Bowers?I regard the answer ths
i has been given here in the presenc
! of the jury -it will not bo an Impn
priety for me to refer to it?I regar
that answer in the response to th
question, "Who was Mr. Allds'.'" n
giving information which ought to b
j laid before the jury, [f you will reca
the anssver that war. made by M
Barnes as .Mr. Roosevelt has stated i
' to us, it was that Mr. Roosevelt wa
complaining of his message being tor
up, instead of being used, and that Mi
Barnes responded to him that wa? nat
Ural, because generally they would no
int m such a matter until they had re
eeived directions or orders.
Q. Now you will please state an'
further conversation that you bad witl
Mi. Barnes during that period concern
I ing tho franchise tax bill. A. I ?lis
? . -ed with him in substance a leite
of protest I had raceived from Sena
tur Platt about it. But I do not re
member whether it was in that <ii?cus
sion upon that letter, or at a previoui
: discussion that we spoke of Anthon*
Brady and the contribution?. But
be levo that at least on two or thre<
? ons WO went over in si.1
tha question of the donation or con
' tributions of men of one political part?,
t'i the other political party, or ti
political parties at tho samo time. Mr
l; in.es justified it on the ground i
have given. That was not in one con.
venation only, but it was, I believe
. in two or three. ?
Q, Did you have an> talk with Mr
Barnes concerning corresponden!
Mr. Platt upon the subject of the fran?
chise bill? Vou can answer that je-t oi
: no. A.? Yes, sir.
y. -Was ?here correspondence be
tween you and Senator Platt upon the
subject of the franchise bill? A. I
think there was. I had several conver
ma, und I think that they wore be?
t?re I sent any message in at all.
Referring to the pressure for re
.ent <
Superintendent, Mr. Bowers
i "You quoted to ihe plaintiff what Mr
? had said?" to which tho witness
replied:
"What Mr. Platt had said to the e'
1 feet thut Mr. Payn'a relations ?vith cer?
tain of the hi,? financial men were such
m
What sort of building
are you in now?
It can't be as big as the Equitable, because no
building is.
It can't be as ideally located, because there is
only one Equitable location.
It can't be as up-to-date, because the Equitable
is right up to April 24th.
It can't be as efficiently planned, because the
Equitable is the last word on the subject.
It can't be as adaptable to your needs, because
the Equitable will build you in to order.
It can't be more economical, dollar for dollar
and advantage for advantage.
And what's the good of staying in it. if the
Equitable is demonstrably better all around?
Think it over.
Building open, for tenant.. Aptil 24, 1915.
Equitable Building
120 Broadway
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SMART New MILLINERY
Hats (or Weddings?Garden Partie??
Summer Rcs?xt wear?Str-*e., Trarcl
and Semi-dress.
New effects in white wing
trimmed hemp hats, white satin
hats with liser? straw facings,
white kid hats and transparent
effects, of hair, lace, tulle and
batiste?$l8, $2j. $i5*
Country and Sea-hore Hats of Dresden
and Venetian striped silk, blazer stripe!
and plain French crepe, Egyptian crepe,
Bangkok, felt and linen-?/??. ?'4. U6.
Afiwes' Hat; flO, $12. $15.
Suits-for country or tenm hem S35. $45. $65. $15
CoatS-fo* motor, eftemccm end utility west. $35, <45, $55
GoU'ttS- for Afternoon, roentngenddsytvesr. $45. $65. $95
, that for these reasons among other
they were not alleged by Mr. Platt
, that Mr. Harnes was right and that h
! would have to stand by him."
Q.?Did you, in any of these con
?venation? concerning the franchi??ta
, bill or the reappointment of Mr. Payt
I have any conversation with Mr. Barne
m which the question was discussed a
; to whether or not they would be abl
j to defeat the action which you advise;
! in either caso by reason of Democruti
1? A.?I did.
Mr. Ivins objected to this, and th?
; court remarked: "This is anothei
branch of the case. It is also urged ir
I justification here of the charge tha
there ha?! been a conspiracy betweet
Mr. Murphy and Mr. Harnes to unit?
the parties, so to speak, and that then
was such an arrangement betweei
? them."
"I had a conversation with Mr
: Barnes, whether on his initiative 01
I mine I cannot say," said Colonel
Roosevelt, "in reference to Mr. Platt'a
statement to me that I could not get a
successor to Mr. I'ayn confirmed, be
cause, although independent Repub?
licans would vote for the confirmation
of a successor. Tammany Democrats
or the machine Dem?crata I don't be
? lieve ha laid 'Tammany,' he said the
organization Democrats -would support
Mr. Payti. Mr. Harnes said to me, as
Mr. Platt had assured him, that would
? turn out to be the case that I would
; be beaten in the effort to beat Mr.
, 1'avn."
Q. Is that ail that you recol.ec"
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Q. Did >ou have a convention M
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Barnes? A. 1 had a ? ? w""
Mr. Harnes. I can'l : ' u ,?
th.* name oi '.*''
him, but after I had mad? I? ?
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Strength
THREE essentials are afforded by this
Company to clients ? strength, organization
and service. Consider a few facts in regard
to the Company's atrength:
Capital, surplus and undivided profits aggre?
gating $22,O?0,?0O assure financial strength.
The directorate of bankers of national reputation
assures strength of management. Conservative,
sound practice in resp?ct to trust and banking
business assures strength ot policy.
An ample cash reserve maintained at all
times assures ability to meet unusual as well as
normal requirements of depositors.
The Company is subject to frequent examina?
tions by the State Banking Department, by the
New York Clearing House and by the Company's
Board of Directors; also, independent, unex?
pected examinations are frequently made by a
separate auditing staff.
Telephone 8900 Rector, or call at 16 Wall
Street; an Officer "will answer your questions.
BANKCRS TRUST COMPANY
New York
?"apital. Surplus and Profits. $ 22.0M.0sTO
Deposits,.l- . min (Mio