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A Little Knowledge May Be Dangerous, but the Hotel
Astor Is Full of It
Work of Defining an
Amateur Only Begun
Representatives of 19 Or
ganizations Tackle the
Question <tt Astor.
DELEOATI s I>IS( USS
MANY SIDED PROBLEM
l?a\r \\a\ for Adoption ol Nets
i ode Submitted h\ Ibc
I t \ A \ \
? o i ? ? .. .
I n? ill
.
I
of the
?. '
v ?
n ],.,- the - . pellation pf
(he I. I A L A. A
It BBS a ? snl In
?tic? in the
1 nitPil Statt s, i i? riewi d ft
?dor" ' en? C"* "i
vif-unie to th?
>gh ihre* long 1
?o b? BttOmplished. in fact, it ip
i'**red ?? if there greater
disorder tlis'i before, because ?,
from reell of th? ? ?
represvnt? ; and spread oal
trivial, though i tea oerples
ing, prohlem? that have arisen in the
? ,?ring t lies which ;?!!
admitted to he inadi
Although little but a plain state?
ment u accomplished In
the first conference, there whs ai
?he promise that the foundation had
hein laid for a reell) serious diseus
siai at the meeting? to cum-. Th?
? ?inference adjourned arel] past the din
Ber hour to meet again on Thursday
fer further discussion, and it is proh?
ib?s that then .1 rga
I I?? effected, commut?es appointe?!
id plan? road? for the adoption and
?uoniulgation of the ? item cod?
?he organisations affe?-'
Beery Angle I'laoussed.
Every angle of the many cornered
-niiateur question was spread te
:?. those who have. ????? many jrears
of their lives in administering regu
? that have proved to be
1 igh non-enforceable. Gustavus T.
. chairman of the graduate ad
? v tommittee of th? I. (.'. A. A
hrough whose initiative the confer?
ence was called, was named presiding
"fficer, and with a few deft touches
..pen the whole Bubjtfet for difl
?ection in all it? minor parts bj
?ere sitting in consultation
hita,
Howard P. Whitney, represented the
tates <?o!f Association; Hob
D, Wrenn, the National Lawn
? Association; Justice Hartow S.
- . George J. Tumor and Fret!-:
W. Rubien, the Amateur Athletic
I'nion; I ?r Graeme Hammond, the.
Vinateur Fencers' League; I ?r. Reginald
arre, the 1'nited State? Revolver
'?'? rcelon, Pro
Frank W. Nicholson and I'eai.
Le Barm'. BrlR?, the Kational Col
"K'iate Atv iation; l'avid A.
Slayback. the International Skatinc
I'nion of America: G. T. Moon, jr.,
? ational Association of Amateur
Billiard Player?; I>r. W. P. Bowen,
Ike Athletic Ite?ear'-' l)r.
.Ii.seph E Rajreroft, tie Intercollegiate
Baahetball league; E L M
l?oug!a? Stewart and Thoma? W. < a
hill. the United S'a*- Foot! il
? , Norton II. i'row, the A
e I'nion of Canada;
i'ook, the Military Athletic I ?
l?r. J. H. MeCurdy, Iks Nil
jrround* A??ociation; I'r. Paul Phi
?he New England Intcrcollei s W
letic A??ociatio'
the Allied M. C. A.
1 ;ub?. and Kmil Rath, th? Turn
Vereins and Gytaaaalaai i'nion.
Comprehensive suggestions for an
-imateur et
the I. I A. A. A. in
feral of a booklet which contained
Matear rule phrased to meet the
. ??ntingeneies arising In every
? the ot.lv speaker who real!-.
himself to discussing the pre
i'osed cotle wa? Justice Week?, speak
|.g a? a representative of the Amateur
\thle1 ? eks took a
ted part in the discussion from
und when he came to
fill forma! a?ldn^ss at the end
. ?- pre?ty well aaderete<sd tl
?rea one of the powci
? committee of tl I I C. A. A
v A ehten out
* tinfl? of amatr com
? on.
The Definition.
? ,-?? Week? "pok'
? '?va! of the
!. 1 . A. A \ *. .
I !? o
?nurt ?elely f
aaaun
i.? d to whom i]
un an avocntion. This
?
who commit a fraud, com pi
' .. roach for r
prefeselenil ? proei
??pa ' ?.
? whereby ? man diabarred for all
GENUINE
MACK1NAWS, $5.00
l<?r , ? Id a - .'
Our $5.00
cottar, double-breisted
$4 50
OTHER OUTDOOR GOODS
?. . -1
1 -.?>
N. Y SPORTING GOODS CO.3
IS ??d 17 Warren St.. n.ir IfeeSWaj *
at
.1 , r. I . | ? '
Millennium via
the Amateur Rule
leather poaaible arheiac fet put
i lag au rni! l?> nil >-ar buhlied i>I?
leelerdaj m the roaferencc il lb?
Hotel later en aiaateai aiMeii?
problems tfajoi Robert B. Coofce,
? f Ike Militan athletic l.eacur. ?a?
lui iBtateariiBi Is Ike na
Honal guard and ho? geetractite ?'
woald be I?' ill militar] order if
the line between amateur-, and pro
Bis were toe cTomcU drawn.
"Win. If ?e Irl a registered ?ma
i tut ' amp?ala lo ih<- \. \. I . thai
Be waa ordered lo ?iiiiipele in a ?nil
scaling coateel against a profes
-oin.il V? here ?mild we be?" he
t.?ke?i ii prakaMj ???iiltin'i be
long before the IBtBteBN would re
faae t?? light with profeeaioaale, and
iiien ?hat would beeeate af nil
war--?" he ?ontinucd "We"
'Now, Dr. I ??oke,'' broke In l.u?
h?rl>?, ?bairman of (he conference,
but he got no further because til
the roar ni laughter thai ?ItOOh the
room.
II save fraut! may be reinstated
to ami porti oth. i
than the on? mi which -lonal
l/.ed u'I ipsed.
In his introductory remark? Mi
-?> ??f working under rule?
that fitted condition? in 1874 or 1876,
Hi
added that instead i
beta ??? d pi"
that the differ?
should be drawn between
compete for BBOli : thOBC who
te for the sake of lomi
"lietter be > ..!," he
. led, "'Kill: .,'ciir."
Howard Whitney, secretary of the
U. 8. G. A., recited the plan that has
been followed In the controlling body
in golf to stamp out prof'
He ?aid thai wideapread publicitj and a
campaign of education among the play?
er-? thi'inselves wai '
results than any other method.
lie said thai tk? golf body sal at a
court of equity and judged each
: ? wai aaaed by J
as to tiie rules of th? ..
?nal baseball |
are permitted to lading
'. and mad
the applicant for reinstatement to am?
?tiding ha?l sho.' I faith
. -
sionnl within a given period of
admitted to play golf.
Case of Ward.
The case ' John
M. Ward. Mr. H oh pains to
explain that nei: i i
,.| become ami
golfers under the ruli
iuBiatenl in probing the golf
? thai
.
ability bj
.
goods house. Mr. Whitney intimated
that should such a eaas i" brought up !
?fer would be debarred. Upon .i
query by Mr. Kirby, Mr. Whitnej
, the golf
. m llling to adopt
a code it thai
Much the ? t'f affairs a? ex?
ist? in golf was depicted by Robert I).
Wrenn. lie was asked by the ever lu?
ll lawn ten?
-?'.ho had tl.? - ? ses paid
ay in hotel tournament??, and id?
I that this WBI ?it, evil which
smacked of | naliam, He added
? ? wai win .. h ??"?
"mi tk?
"Hut," said Mr. Wrenn, "you can have
a thousand rules, and .11 al
? ado them. You
maka puklic ong enough
to prevent without basing
the player lose e
An inter? t? of alTairs wss
revealed in sor,
Mockler, who showed that amateurs and
professionals compete without restric?
tion on the ?ame teams, and that there
roving ain.v ?.-.? are
?loitig much to hurt the gam? Hi
he could see ? 0
mingle, but ad?
mitted the impracticability of admini*
.: amateur ru!e> under such comp?
tions. He cheered the conference, how?
ever, b) saying thai if the proposed
rules ? ? . M-iution un
W. P, Garet ? ? gra?luate
manager of athletics at Harvard, spe.k
.?hietic
?
"We shouldn't decid?
. i Mr.
"ii. "We should meet on Thurs?
day, ?? r? another meeting a
month hence. !
should take tin
? he exceptions i ?
- application to that particular
ere shoulo '.-il rather
? '. II er
w? would gel a ral?
These
rule? have ? i I out slow
the line I ? "mteur
und the dut In the
summer baseball alono
tkers ?re one hundred different inter
on? by one hundred different col
,
Alone at Last or the Curse of a Sleepy Eye
By BRIGGS
WRENN SAYS HE
WILL DROP HELM
IN LAWN TENNIS
To Retire from Active
Work in U. S. Association
When Term I:\pires.
Robert l1 Wi
Init. . . 'lot.al ..awn Tennis
ation, publicly announced at the
i- of repi esental ive -;
? the count***- to diaeui
much mooted amateur Question, in the
Hotel ' ' eaterdajr, thai he would
retire a- an active force in the I
? ii tennis when his present term
Of OfflCI
Thi- the first official confirmation
of a rumor* that has been current m
lawn tennis circle ....
it will be heard 'vitii regret )>> those
who h.t e the Intel port a1
?Hill '
It ?. ? : ai if .' "rge T. Atlee
or Julian S, Mv i ii ..
?
aaaor, bul of com -. noth
?? along ; I ?n be
more ? rime. *-.
tins i- worl
... do.
ltt.ii Wrt
U. S. N I i \ .....
befori
prominen |
having heltl the ?
? ?
1894, I -" ai -l 1897. He a ai known as
?
ring his reign, and
? ? <.f ? i..- !..i. lur BOBII ion,
many of his most importa
through hii to place hi? bi " .*
? neos m thi spot
red.
I'n.i. : U ? .
. n hai wielded a greal
nee :'"i' good o**ei the /am.' t.f
law i, ? ! The trrow ri. of t'ne
<)uir\ haa been remarl i the
i t ? r - ' r
'he courts of the W< ? Side lawn Ten
,? I ireal Hills, last Septem
. . ?.
- ? i antl
tt renn'i di?
al made th.- ,
George I I those
? . eeeed M r, W i enn, ha"
?
t
- -
?. .
?ta' ion for
Weal Side
? ? name
? ?
on thi
? the --'?re. -- |
? - tournament at I
?all.
New Solution Offered
For Athletic Problems
Research Society Suggest!
Council to Serve as Arbiter
and Straighten Out Infrac?
tion of Amateur Rules.
of a national fed
admin.
??
???tl by
, ?
- annual i I
Ho te 1 A
a central
I mit of all
r : ..in infrar
I U.t
'
?
\ pn
? -
'?
'
?
pi ii ell would comprise ropre*
from all I
aateur ath
??-..
v anil
It won Id fti national
. lopt an hoi ?
arbi
? and
? , ?.
Bl ion of the ama
Fur- quee
ea m such si
.?? e* anil in international
\> P Bowi
? ?
o' ??'
Dr. Henry
-?ducal
Brown, : a re
?
D
I vea?
the ef*
?nilivnlu.il of athletic
' ,. ? .? .
? three
handling *>> a large conmute*.
Football Treat
for Polo Grounds
Washington. I'enn., Dec. 117.?Of?
final announcement ?as made here
to-night that the Washington antl
.lefTer-on lootball team will play
Ratgera at the Net? York Pala
i.rounds on nr*t Thnnksgh ing Day.
Arrangements bail been made for
the home learn to play the I niver
sit\ of < liatlanooga on that da\. but
this game has been transferred to
No\ ember IS.
BROWN FOOTBALL ,
TEAM REACHES COAST
Paaadena, Cal., Dee. 27. Accomj
? . ? ? m? players of
Brown Unireraity footaell s?iua?l
arrived he" 1rs for the
gama with ?Veal
New \i ,.i 'a Da rh? i . id a?
th? tal on !'.. Brown alumni.
Th? men will practise each ?la.
der the din
aad W. I
FOOTBALL DATES
FOR ARMY ELEVEN
Triait] ?">ack OR Schedule After
Absence ot Six Years.
\\'. -? !'.. ot, V . I le< .'7 !..
? ? PI i] i? Have?. '.In- Army's nc?
ball representa! - - sd the
lall schetlui?' for the ca<lt"~ '??<
\a
il | ext fall,
;.- | . ' ,
.
fioni the Point
on th" - Colgate, Georgi
be a
itenanl Ha ? tbell rep
? aptain i I
- M. - - -l . ? ' \
TAFT WILL ADDRESS
COLLEGE MEN TO-DAY
?s mi Programme o? National
C < ? 11 c ?? i a t e Athletic .V--."cia!iiu.
? N.
\
\ ?
-.
? ? ? lien,
will b? ? ? - ? . at 10
? .- ' rm< Pn
.
at the i
?- on amateur
mies held at the \
ite Amal
\- ? \ it ion
?.
of 1
'?
?
Intel
ici!, en
- .
? ? Deal Leba ron R !
? -
' ?
Profi ' .
1
V I .itural
? ge.
Met
\ ' . ?
- L Mai lountain
a ; Prof 01
? '
'?
1 ? Ho
? ? \. "
'
; Pi .
'' ? Intel
?
Personal Touches Here
and There in Boxing
_By IGOE _
The welterweight
humi 1 to nighl Bl Madison Square
". i . ?. v. ?in- Kit.-hie and Ted
Lev.i- meet Ural til
vear? that a real a erwelght ci
of any pumpl
Time waa when the weiten wei
? ? . Q
realm \\ ? Noill,
liiiiv Smith. Rub? 1 11
Matt; .'?'..' ' ?
but w ;th their i. ., ?
tin- dil ision. Tl;.
claim on the eta ? .
lod) Bl ' i w in Sullivan. W hen
- ?
until the once famous
I. ?
ght.
'I here ei ?? anj numbei of pn
?
.i once Riti I
? .-. .....I- ar.- full of
'
.?ni cIbbs.
I hat hi ne light?
-
n paper
?
' ?
. ? H ? et
?
on the
'
ar I
.
. h.
the ha
fight and
all sort ' leroai
ds elaimi d thai I
g on h i ni -
I ; IcC
i '
: ;
heaply
-
....
leff ! ? i
?
'or Dai
' ?
\
I
'?
? ?'. ircj
? -ure." said
I ;?? -.-??.: da) "1'hete isn'l
? .iliout it. D
! ..i ow hi Chip.
. ? ? beat
w. are to
?
?
should? He
? ?
. -
?
v i Dan
aaid that I ?
?!' irnetl
in t'ne (?ermont family doctor nn-i
report got out tl
aid " ?? ",ti..I all :
. ' utinui II
. great
that M
. . Mc
?
three
?
V"ei.rn
t the ( 1er
V
..r h .m?,. | kaoa . |
?hmif al.out i?. }? urthertnore
id that h? ha.m gol t > eel foi flghl
Boxing Bouts
of the Week
TO-NIGHT.
gaBlna Sanare Garden ? Willie RU. rie and Ted
(.??I!
THIUSDW.
Pioneer (?Bo ting Club?Jin Savate and Charit?
Wfln?.".
BATUBDAY.
Bro,dia> Sporting Club Brooklyn?Special
Shoe.
TO-NIGHT
Pilate A. C. Yona-r? ? Ceeboy Charl?> Shandi
I and Tommy N-l?on Buddy Y?u?| and Chl
i-iflo Johnny Daly.
I Ihearn. Shorty Raymond, a former
.1 .'i of the Zulu, foaaed right up
aid that he had gene ahead ami
I Zulu for . -ah.
"I knew nothing aim ll it." said the
Zulu, "until Ii.
I Chi 11 i i
ing my brother boxers maul
my -mpr.-e v.hon I ?
that I " -i- "ne of ' ri the main
bliging
?hi Aheai a,
and they didn't even k'.'->' me 'Merrj
?
The commi isionei on their
?i OU 'i and m del ed RaymOl . to
Hing Zulu 1126 ..i- f.insider
-? ;' barred from every club ?r Som
York un'il the money was paid. The
I lern.- j
the rn..ri>-v is paid.
Waltet Mi nor - icial 'all on
. ?; that
a countsrfe I '?' .. ? r I
v ( i ii h by
plained
ii cture or.
the in It. To
?mnoth matters out 'he commissioners
ordered the Sharkey ? lub 'o pu'
bout between Broe and the mar. who
knocked out the apurioui Mr. Bn -
Henry Ir p ad He had trrea*
of si ????. Montana
?
? two, bul .'? this wire
yesterd
"I. Bern injured and won't he able
?
it the Ana*
m ne "ii ( 1.1 itmaa night he
-ilver ore.
but he
i little
Durii ? ounter Bens re?
ceived I. We
?. ;., JOHN I! M'lN'ToSH."
IN m-.. thsl is a bird. Of course, il
would never tlo to have this giant back
into our old rummy 'own without some?
thing to stamp him as a demon. Five
foil BWOOP, and with his
NAKED lianda! Henry, ho? COULD
you !
The ' ng Club ha? lie
it '"im antl Johnny
at their club on next
jTosrt Dav
ONE B4LL CLUB MUST
MOVE FROM CLEVELAND
Ban Johnson Delivers Edict?
Toledo .May Get Franchise.
ago, Dot 27. The American \
?
from Clevi
a ade b) President Johi
an League before atsrtii
or the Forest Cil
ankera I itua*
?
?ii ei icen Long u a ill (rather
'?'? edneeday or
Thuradsj of the question
? : n the affaira of the major
and m ..'.,.
of bankers
? ?
? ? I lout of
.- Cubi hea tu be ai
ialtion frnn
chi?e. i of moving it to 1
Pre idi-iit i h..
? hia prope
Id be ,".--. -
.- home ii m
. ind bank
?.:.. grounds
?se ami plai era' t ont recta to
gether, and tha' 1160,. ?ill be ? ked '
fur thorn.
LES DARCY WINS
IN EIGHT ROUNDS
McOoorty !>adly Beaten in Bout.
Seconds Throw Up Sponge.
Iney, New South Wales. Dec. 87
I.e?> Darcy. the ? T Champion
of Australia, sasiiy defeated Eddia
HcGoorty, .?? American middle
?h round of their match here
to-day.
McGoorty wa? puniahed so severely
? . omis threw up I
Th? nght was witneaied by 16,00
BURNS TO RUN
BIG BOUT ALONE
Willard-Fulton Battle to
Go On Without a Hitch,
He Says.
Now Oi lean?, Dec. 27. Tommy Hums,
who was a partner '.sith Dominica Tor
torich in the negotiation? for the bou*
for the heavyweight champion-hip to
be held here on March 4. betue?": Il
Willard and Fred Fi;u"i., innoum
day that he personally would take at I
i ainl would
)?ut it Dn BS BU independent promoter.
Munis <aid lie was in telegraphic
eommunical to lay with Tom .lone?,
Willard'i manager, and T. B. Andrews,
m ChieagO, concerning the match, an?l
that ehangei :ri th? details for the tight
' be --ettled when Jones und An?
drew? arrived hen? ai Wednesday. A
percentage if the receipt?, hi ?ai<l.
would be substituted for the 132,500
guerente? to Willard, tria, lose or draw,
;?'.) for in thl original agreement.
torieh said to-day h? would have
nothing to ?io with a Willird-Pulton
bout unless Fulton first fought ami de
I the winner of the Moian-Coffev
fight, ?rhieh take? place in New York
iary T.
CklcagO, Doc. 21. The ?ituation in
: in the proposetl Willartl-Fulton
for the world's championship at
Orleans on March 4 next wa-? fur
?her clarified to-day by ?he receipt by
Tom .lone?, Willard'i manager, from
Tommy Buraa, co-promoter with Domi?
nica: Toitorieh of the exhibition, of the
g teli gram ;
"Tor;or:cii didn't want to go through
with the match, so I have tfl
over hil :n *?? r?--r. an?l I will go through
: Pulton match n
We
? ?n new article? when vou arrive.
"TOMMY BURN'S."
YANKEES PLAN
TO MAXE FIGHT
FOR A PENNANT
Captain ami Colonel Seek
to I.ami Archer. I ishcr.
Zwilling ami I lack.
M I IN AND KNETZQ
WOll I) BE WELCOME
Deals f"i i ee Magre .md j
I raakll i Hah . \
\i. ?*.-in?m
B) i i:\nk . : 11 i
?
?
I ?-IlkT'ie
: ' iT'rt a-,
I*, anil '
' ??tail '..
The " ,; enter,..;
I \
s It 11 ! i II
I
team l ' si
Mi
I
and (
may i-.
' 'lam or
! Have it
? ? ?
an I -oulil we?
Archer, and i I
may i<
?rere in the
ami Browns. This matter *;.! ?r>
u|? foi rj
?
? :?!' Rupp?r
. - i-ur? ? I
-
eni'd '? .-er???sueJ
i'her? ir?
'
. ?
.ncy, while
I
?er. Ho?.
?
emploi
larged upon A romp?r ?
.-oil wi
Bob i
would 1,0 ?I
?
'
. and r*t
art ? k'
more Bu i h
top fot ?
?o ?f :r?
ral I.eag.?
If?: ?
vreelth
*
li? vaiti?
-uperior to tho ?
i ? ??'
tea ion,
Kr.11
i? for '.''
Superb? ' th? man
i? to b<
taken at ? lu,t n,!<
r cunning.
the Bl ' II?1 ?*?'
son at
declared I im to b< 'k' j *'
pitcher* of th?
Allen had ' l ?I-b w
Superbaa H? had ? ':?'? b'fr;
all ?i lestion, but
freu dom
his !" ?
it 1 ? '
hiIl'y ? '**'?'"
?
I
-
field;
\ ?nd C?.?
? "cher.
Bits of Baseball Chatter
Heard on Winter Diamond
Hv FBANI ONF.II.I..
When 'li?> itory of picturesque char
i.e'.eis in baseball i? written. William
"I.o?.!" B] run, the National I ?
umpire, will be ? i ibjoet of at !ea-<t
lapter i:' -. Bl Ige fan were
,'. moire in thi
? obably would ar.-? er,
(Clem " H..' if 'ii'- qui
"Who is the i '
could be onlj '.ne answe, Hyron.
? ; William, a- known, eame
. ? . ai rj ng ts ?
[ minor longue repu' it
tv sharp-tongue.: player'l wit,
. no record of Bill ev er MBB?
'" it in an] beet at
.-.?. His Ii-** of victim- reach
' the ranks of piaren and man
Ogors and include? at b-ast one deb
owner.
One day last -utnmer Bill umpiiOd a
double-header in St. Louis. It was
hot that particular dav. so hot
-? Louis eomplained The Cards
. ? two games, and Hill got in Dutch
with t h f fa
? gainst the ' ardi?al
the crowd howled itself hof
Af'er the game Mn Schuyler Brit
?on waited for Byron, and. mooting him,
', euetera toni ""vit Byron,
againat ths Bt Louis
Bi ion. who would be anothei
I, clicked h - heels together,
bowed loa and, doffing hi? hat, replied:
"With whom have I the honor of tali.
Ulf-?" "I am Mi. Hntton. of St. Louis.'
-he saitl. Byron drew himaelf up to ins
full height and laid: "Do ye? a-k m?
as an officiel or personal!), madam."
And he shifted his 1 ! it ?*?"*
over hi-t heart
?
(Ti
'
\
urn ph.
i,?, ? K
to th.- "on. ?*
carried '" icai
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