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Wilson May preside at Peace Table Allies Probably Will Ask Him to Attend and As? sume Charge Versailles Favored As Conference Site Premiers Soon to Meet There to Lay Out Peace Programme (Special Dirpatch to The Tribune) WASHINGTON, Nov. 12.?-The Prem? iers of the Allied powers will shortly jjiamble in Versailles to examine tho different problems relating to peace, jjj, quite probable that the future in? ternational conference will take place in Versailles." fhis announcement was received through official channels from Paris to-day. and it is believed to forecast as early assembly of the Allied chiefs end Colonel House, representing the United States. To? meeting at Versailles, it is In? dicated? will decide upon the time and the seat of the peace congress. The nairs of the American government on these matters will be presented by President Wilson, either through Colo Ml Honse at Versailles, or through the State Department in exchanges ?jih the Allied governments. Although there is no warrant for the rumor, it was reported to-day that President Wiison plans to attend the conference. No official confirmation is obtainable, but in Allied quarters it ?as declared that should the President go he unquestionably would be select? ed to preside over it. It was thought that the Allied governments would ex? tend a formal invitation to the Presi? dent to attend the conference in per? son and to accept the presidency of it. No Date Yet Set Nothing has yet been settled with re jird to the time the conference will meet. Reports that Germany, through Her popular government, is urging that an early date be set for the congress were tot officially confirmed, but it is believed that all parties and interesta in the country, as well as other enemy countries, are anxious that the confer? ence assemble at th* earliest possible moment in order that they may know their future status, territories and ob ' ligatioiie, and that they may set about the task of national rehabilitation, political as well as material. It is understood also to be the desire o? the Allies and America that there shall be no undue delay in completing the preliminary arrangements. But the jtysical dispositions alone to be made before the congress meets, such as spe? cial facilities for communication by FRANKLIN SIMON MEN'S SHOPS MEN S SICO Underwear for FALL and WINTER Fits better?Feels better Fares better in the wash And is in all respects A Superior Proposition THERE are scores of underwear propositions on the market. 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"From July 15 France has followed with an intense emotion the brilliant successes won by the Allied troops which precipitated the retreat of the German army. The captive populations have been liberated. The disconcerted enemy left behind an enormous amount of men and material, and the number of prisoners taken exceeds all historical record. This morning an armistice, setting Alsace-Lorraine free, and allowing the Allied armies to occupy, in guarantee of rights to be exercised, a vast part of the German territory, has been signed. "In these hours of national joy and pride, my thoughts are for the heroes who have fallen on the battlefields of Namur and Charleroi;< for those who on the banks of the Marne victoriously stopped and repelled the invasion; for those who in the long and painful days of the trench warfare displayed such a stubborn confidence; for the intrepid defenders of Verdun; for the soldiers of the Yser, of the Somme, of the Aisne, of Champagne, of the' Vosges; for those who laid down their lives for their country; for those now disabled owing to their wounds; for all those who, still in service, are rewarded for their indefatigable efforts and their undaunted valor. "They have all contributed to the final victories. They have all brought a stone to the splendid triumphal arch under which the con? querors will soon pass. "None of their deeds of valor was accomplished in vain. Nothing done by them in their endeavors to serve the country was fruitless. "The glory of France is made of their prolonged ardor, of their abnegation, of their sufferings, and of their blood. "I salute the dead with a respectful emotion. "Let me ask you to transmit to the living the congratulations which, in the name of France, I send them from my inmost heart." W land, water, cable and telegraph, arc prodigious, and will require consider- j able time to complete. The site to be | chosen -for the conference will be among the first decisions to be made, | so preparations may be put under way. The Allied powers and America must ? immediately, before the questions to come up at tho peace conference can be adequately discussed witn a view of ar? ranging the programme, dispose of pressing problems relating to the exe? cution of the armistice. But since these matters will, to a large extent be left j in the hands of the military and naval j authorities, the diplomats may soon be I freed of other duties to attend to tho business of the conference. May Extend Armistice ? The armistice period expires in thir j ty days. But it can be renewed, and it was believed to-day that it would be ,.renewed, and that the peace confer I ence would not be able to meet before | January, possibly the latter part of j that month. It is understood that President Wil ', son has prepared, or is preparing for, ? presentation to the peace congress, a | scheme for the proposed league of na ! tions, and that the central idea of it I will be a world court for the adjudi ! cation of all adjustable disputes be | tween nations (submission of cases i to the court being mandatory) and that ' the fleets of the signatory powers will be employed as the police force to seo that the decisions of the court are respected. Before such a tribunal could, inter? pret, define and apply international law, however, that law would have to ' be declared by the powers, since few, if any, of them would be willing to , permit any body of judges to apply what ere called "generally recognized rules_ of law or equity" when it Is possible for the powers themselves to provide the code. Two Choices Considered In such a programme the contribution of the United States would be very con? siderable, as it will not arrest its naval building programme, according to Sec? retary of the Navy Daniels, and in a few years this country promises to pos? sess a naval armament of the first class. According to one well-informed French observer here, there are two places from which the choice of the seat of the peace conference will be made. These are Versailles and Basel. Switzerland, he declared, is the only neutral country which might possibly be considered. The other would have been Holland, except that the Nether? lands' government throughout the war has been inclined to preserve its neu? trality In euch a manner as to cost it some of tho sympathy of the Entente nations. Want Abolishment Of War Labor Body Taft and Walsh, Joint Chair? men, Tell Cabinet Head Board No Longer Needed WASHINGTON, Nov. 12.?Abolish? ment of the War Labor Board as soon as cases now in process of disposi? tion are completed was recommended to Secretary Wilson to-day by Will? iam H. Taft and Frank P. Walsh, joint chairmen. The joint chairmen, in their letter, said the President had created the board to promote maximum produc? tion during the war, and that the end of hostilities had removed the reason for its existence. About 100 cases now are in prog? ress of disposition by the board and should be disposed of, the chairmen said, because a large numb* of the awards will be retroactive. Three hun? dred unheard cases are pending. i CBfgaggssgBBfc; ?.'. , M-. i_l_,_ Irish Party Asks President to Help Country's Future I Says Rights Are Those of; Small Nations for Which \ War Was Fought - ! Commons Rejects Plea j Appeal Says Associated Pow- ; ers Can Justly Have Voice in Matter LONDON", Nov. 12.?The Irish party i i issued an address to-day appealing to < President Wilson to aid in a settle- | | ment of the Irish question in accord- j ? anee with his principles that all na ' tiens, large and small, have a right to j \ free determination of their own form I . 6*f government. A demand in this respect made in I i the House of Commons to-day was j 1 voted down. "Can any one doubt," says the ad- j j dress, "that the nation of Ireland comes j ?under the category of small nations] I for whose rights you so eloquently ! plead <ir that the present government I | of Ireland by Great Britain, against j I the will of Ireland, comes ufder the | ? scathing condemnation you have given , to such exercises of wrong "We claim that the war must be observed from your standard of broad I visioned justice, for the creation of a j new world of freedom everywhere in all nations; that the war is to build j ; up a new world that is safe for de- | j mocracy; that this fact, an issue of | | 'he war, makes the liberation of Ire- ? ' land, as well as of other small nations. I a duty in which the associated pow I ers have a right to a voice. ' "Every national question to-day is i l international unless the world is to | abandon league of nations to ; maintain t'.ie future peace and uni ! versal jus\ ice. "We implore you not to relax your I ? efforts to make the war not a mere ! i triumph of nation over nation or of j j armies over armies." ? -.-. ! Reds Seize Helgoland and Grand Fleet Continued from pace I ! represent the whole country as soon ! ! as possible. i The dispatch adds that questions ; concerning a constituent assembly, will not arise until after consolida-] tion of the institutions formed by the revolution has been secured. I The formation of the new German republic was pi-oclaimed by Philipp Scheidemann from the steps of the Reichstag Building A Zurich Asso? ciated Press dispatch confirms the fact. AMSTERDAM. Nov. 11.?The entire ; j German North Sea fleet and the island base of Helgoland are in the handi of i Soldiers' Councils, according to a tele- , 1 gram from Bremen. | Field Marshal von Hindenburg is not j ( in Holland, according to a telegram j from the semi-official Wolff Bureau of | Berlin. He remains at main headqaar- ? i ters and adheres to the new govern- | ! ment. ? A Soldiers;' Council nas been formed ; at the front and will submit its de- j mands to Field Marshal von Hinden-J burg to-morrow. | The telegram adds th.it Crown Prince I Rupprecht of Bavaria, commander of the German northern army group, has : not fled, as some reports have re-1 clared. German troops at the Beverloo camp, I In Belgium, have mutinied and are marching with their guns toward Hol? land, i Fighting broTse out once more in Berlin on Sunday afternoon, according | WhetherYour Engagement be Business or Social Tardiness is Unprofitable I WALTHAM WATCHES i by reason of their precision and | accuracy make possible the full? est employment of one's time. \, The "Colonial A" pictured above is the watch preferred by the | American Business Man. Tts thinness is only .one of the mechanical marvels that commend it. WALTHAM WATCHES ARE RECOMMENDED AND SOLD BV REED & BARTON THEODORE B? 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And the Socialists, who controll now, demand the expulsion frmn power of ail the rest. to n message received here. It cen- j tred around Schlosa Square and was | going on at the time the dispatch was Bent. German Socialists and Independent ? Socialists have reached an agreement to form a joint Cabinet from bot*., par- ' ties, according to a Wolff Bureau an? nouncement. This Cabinet, it is said,; consists of Philipp Scheidemann, Vice President of tho Reichstag; Herr ' Landsburg, member of the Reichstag, I and Herr Geti'ert, Socialists and Hugo Haase; Richard Barth, editor of the ! "Vorw?rts,*' and Wilhelm Bittniann, I member of the Reichstag, Indepen- I dents. Each departmental minister is [ to be supported by two Socialists, one j from each party. Friedrich Ebert and Hugo Haas? will be the chairmen of the political cabinet. The provisional government, com- ! posed of all parties formed at Karls? ruhe, has issued a proclamation, an? nouncing that Baden will remain part of the German Empire, according to advices from Berlin. The fortress of Posen is in the hands of the workers and soldiers and the military authorities have placed themselves at the disposal of the council. Ten thousand railway men have de? cided to maintain railway traffic in Germany. I The Soldiers' and Workmen's Coun- '< cil has decreed that all work shall be resumed on Tuesday. The Bourse is . clo?ed at present. In Saxony the Cabinet ministers : , have announced that elections will be '. hold in which both men andl women will vote. The Grand Duke of Hesse has been ' placed under preventive arrest, accord-1 ing to a Darmstadt dispatch to the Dusseldorf "Nachrichten." In addition to the Wolff Bureau, the Socialists aro now represented by three newspapers, the "Vorw?rts." the "Lokal Anzeiger," formerly the Emperor's favorite newspaper and now rechristened the "Red Flag," and the former semi-official organ, the "North German Gaiette," which has taken the new title of "The International." The revolutionary movement is con? tinually spreading. K?nigsburg, Frankfort-on-Main and Strassburg are now controlled by the Soviets. It i? officially reported that there are no disorders. The statement issued by the Berlin Soldiers' and Workers' Council says that all public services have been placed under the control of the Coun? cil and that all the leading offices are ' being filled by the comrades. The ad? ministration, it adds, la retained, "but its leaders are inspired with the new spi.1t of liberty." The foundation of the new German republic was proclaimed by Philipp Scheidemann from the steps of the Rsichstag building. COPENHAGEN, Nov. 12.?The Ba? varian War Minister has gone to Wedenwark Castle, to which the royal family has retired, to induce the King to release officers and soldiers from their military oath, says a dispatch received here from Munich. Only Socialists to Hold Office in New German Government COPENHAGEN, Nov. 11.?Germany's new provisional government will be all Red. Which is to say, the bourgeois partie? will not bo represented in it. This will not be because of their un? willingness to participate, but because the Socialists after a conference with the representatives of the former ma? jority party in the Reichstag definitely refused to permit the bourgeois to en? ter the new government. The plan is to give the Independent Socialists the Vice-Chancellorship and two other secretarial posts. There are indications, however, that the Inde? pendents will demand more, but their demands have not as yet taken definite form. It is significant that the ma? jority of the multitude of proclama? tions issued daily are addressed to "comrades" rather than to "citizens" and that, references are no longer made to "the People's Republic," but to "the Socialist Republic" Four Billions Is Germany's Debt To Belgian Nation WASHINGTON, Nov. 12.?According to another statement issued by the le? gation, Belgium's bill for compensa? tion now exceeds $4,000,000,000. It will take Germany more than a generation t? make complete reparation, in the opinion of experts here. The most recent report compiled by officials of the Belgian government says Germany extracted from Belgium, in war levies alone, 3441,000,000 up to June 10, 1918, and war levies com? prised only a small part of the wealth taken from the Belgian nation by the invaders. Belgium Demands Full Independence As Future Status Gives Notice It Will Not Submit to Continuance of Guaranteed Neutrality Condition Intolerable Will Not Permit a Return to German Supervision For? merly Existing WASHINGTON, Nov. 12.?The Bel? gian Legation in an official statement to-day announced that Belgium will no longer submit to a status of "guaran? teed neutrality,"' which existed before the war. It aspires to 'complete inde? pendence; to the rights commun to all free peoples." "The note of De-ember M, 1'HtT," said the statement, '"addressed by the Bel? gian government to the Fcpe in reply (to the pontifical inessi'g^, advances as cne of the indispensable conditions of a just i*eaee. so far as Belgium is concerned, 'political, economical and military independence, without condi? tion or restitution.' "Those words are explicit. The Bel? gian government is opposed to the re establishment of rbligatory, permanent neutralization, which would fetter it? freedom of action without insuring peace to the nation. It aspires to com? plete independence, to. the rights com? mon to all free peoples. "This status will free Belgiu from foreign control and give her the right to make such arrangements for her defence as would seem, under the given conditions, to be the most effective and to regulate, furthermore, according to her own interests, her economic rela? tions. "Belgium must be allowed freedom to determine her own destiny; she must bo free to adopt of her own voli? tion a policy which shall keen her out? side of the great international compe? titions and permit her, if some new danger should threaten, to take any necessary measures to defeat the hos? tile desipns directed against her. "The future of the country will de- ] pend on the wisdom and the will of the nation, as well as upon the constant interest of all the great powers in a free, strong Belgium. The interest, of the powers in the maintenance of her independence is in itself a substantial p.nd durable guarantee to which treaties add but a formal external confirmation. What weight and what confidence, for example, could Belgium attach to the renewal by Germany of an agreement which has been so brutally and cyn? ically broken? Such a promise would be purely deri-sive. "Moreover, the events of the last four years render a return to the status quo of IStifl impossible. It, would entail a perpetual intrusion by Germany upon the domestic life of the nation. The enemy, the invader, the occupant of yesterday would not "ail to keep a jealous watch over the execution of the obligations which he had imposed upon the country and would r.ubject. it to a r?gime of superintendence and in? vestigation into.?rable to public opin? ion, and certf.in to cause serious diffi? culties." Karl Quits Throne, Vienna Says Officially Continued from page 1 here at 10 o'clock this morning, north? ward bound. A tremendous crowd of sightseers had gathered, but the plat? form was strongly cordoned and Will? iam Hohenzollern did not show himself. His destination is said to be Ameron gen, about twenty miles from Utrecht, where Count Bentinck has a country seat. But it is not possible to say where he will finally remain, for in order to avoid the curious he may have to keep to the train for a couple of days. AMSTERDAM, Nov. 11.?The German Kaiser made an inglorious entry into Holland, according to reports from Eysden. At 7:30 o'clock Sunday morn? ing ten travel-stained automobiles driven by Prussian officers were seen coming slowly through the fog along the Vise-Maastricht high road. The last Belgian village, Mouland, which is al? most on the border line, was still asleep. The noise of the motors brought out a crowd of curious vil? lagers. The former ruler of Germany was dressed in the uniform of a general, with an officer's cap, and carried a sword. The erstwhile martial figure was huddled and bent on a walking stick, while his eyes stared straight ahead. The Dutch frontier guards stopped the cortege. After some brief formali? ties thy automobiles were conducted to the railway station at Eysden. Dutch cavalry and military cyclists formed a cordon about the station. Crowds of Belgian refugees swarmed around the station crying: "A bas Guillaume^ Assassin! An imperial train arrived at the sta? tion an hour later. It consisted of fourteen cars, and William Hohenzol lern, who had walked up and down the railway platform, entered the train and changed to civilian clothes. Arrangements for the reception of the Germans were made by General Van Hutz, aide-de-camp to Queen Wil? helmina, who went to German head? quarters last week. The Amsterdam "Tijd" learns that the former German Emperor's flight was decided upon after receipt of the armistice terms at headquarters and the German government's communica? tion on this subject. Although the Emperor, despite pressure, refused for a time to sign the abdication proclama? tion on behalf of himself and family, he realized that the end had come. On hearing the armistice terms the Emperor bitterly reproached the su? preme army command, declaring that he had been misled. One general ad? vised against the Emperor's flight as unworthy. 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