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.artDune First to Last?the Troth: News?-Editorial? ?Advertisements M-nit-or ot th? A>i?lit Bureau of Circulation? THI RSDAY, APRIL 17, HUH. Owr.?M ?uvd r?'?'llsl??>! dallj hy Ne?? York Tribuna Tn<\, t New Tort Corporation. Ogdm Re?d. Prealdent: O. Vornor Rogara, Ylue-Presldant; Helen Rogers Held. Secro tarjr; 1". A. Suter, Treasurer Addres?, Tribun? Building, lii Nassau Street, New York. Tolcphorm, Beekiunu 3000. BUBSCAIPTION RATES By Mall, Including Fcwtaee: IN THi: UNITED STATES AND ?.'ANAPA. I?. ,, SIT Til??? Ovo Tu Mo ". ?. Months. Mnr.ih riallT ?.r.ei Su-ida? $10 00 $"? 00 $*?50 S1 ?? Pal v only . . '" t'oa 4.00 - 00 .75 Buoday only . 00 l ) T' ?3?? Sunday only, Canad? .'? ?0 2.30 1.25 -?'0 FOREIGN RATES gaily and Sunday_ $24.00 $12.00 $6.00 I $2.25 ally only . 18.00 9.00 ?.50 1.60 SUi.day o.iiy . 8.00 4.00 -00 .?5 Entered a', th? Postofflc-a at New Tor* aa Second Claas Mall Matter GUARANTEE You can purehnie mufchandl?? advertlwd In THE TRIBUNE with absolute ?atetv?for It dissatisfaction re ?ultj In any case THE TRIBUNE guarantees to pay your money back upon request. No red tape. No quibbling. Wa make good promptly If tha advertiser do? not. MEMBKR OF THE ASSOCIATED rRF.SS Tho Associated Tress is excluslTelj entitled to the ue. , for republlcatlon of all tews dispatches credited to It or . not otherwise credited In this paper and also the local news of ipontaneous origin published herein. AU rights of ?publication o? all other matter herein are also reserrsd. Socialism and the American Schoolboy One of the most entertaining prac? tices of our Socialist revolutionaries is to wave one copy of tho Constitution frantically aloft as a protector of their doings while kicking another copy around the floor like a houn' dog. Touching the imprisonment of Eugene V. Debs for a violation of the espionage act, one local advocate of "the revolu? tion," The Call, fairly froths with pas? sionate words about "free speech." It capitalizes the final words of Debs: "I : enter the prison doors a flaming revolu? tionist?my head erect, my spirit un? tamed and my soul unconquered." And it makes the interesting point that this incarceration of April 13 occurred on "the anniversary of the Battle of Lex? ington, which began the American Rev? olution for Independence." This is all very pretty?as pretty as it is inconsistent. The persuasive power exerted by a flaming revolutionist who argues glibly about his constitutional | rights cannot, in the nature of things be great. And in this cas;1, as ever, the elo? quent Socialist revolutionary making the appeal to old Americanism reveals an unfortunate lack of acquaintance with his facts'. American free speech was never designed to protect such inflam? matory incitements as those of our Reds. U never meant the sort ?%'' license to ad vocale riot and disorder in which our radical Sociali ts specialize. Least of all was it designed to hobblo tho govern? ment in time of war and prevent it from : i he . t?'i "? noce: ary to self pros ervation, Our radicals ave fond of quot? ing Lincoln, l>uj, they never mention the fact thai hi cl< ?ed ?'town The New York for two ?lays for printing a forged proclamation in war time. The truth is that Mr. David Karsner, who writ?-- so feelingly in The Call of American free speech and the Battle of Lexington, has only a smattering of true Americai i? m. Re has tho phrases on his tongue, but nothing of true, historic Americanism in his mind or heart. It is all matter, but he even blunders in his date for the Battle of Lexington, which v ? ? t fought on. April 1.5, as Mr. Karsner seems to think, but on April 19, as any American schoolboy can tell We make the suggestion for what it is worth, 1 ut wouldn't it help the revolu keep them from petting quit, .: the face with vexation at American workingmen for refusing to follow the light if they took a grammar school course in American history and avoided obvious blunders by learning a few elemental notions about America, past and present? Or would that pre- j vent them from being radicals at all? The Manacled Eighty The eighty members of tho Assembly ? who attended the Sv . aTirj agreed not to permit the health insur? ance bill or the other welfare measures to come to a ? , l.-f.. .,,, r^ publicans, bul ]y they are little interested in th ... rtv The - ?? ? ? of Speaker Sweet In bihftlf < ( ? ty \h impudent. This statemf' "refuse l( I into ? | . (Ml W,- ?? ? ' i I | I WNliiffll ,. , , ? binding. Political prudence, humnni- I tarian (sympathies and economic intolli- ? gence iiliko demand that the Assembly autocracy bo smashed. Here's No Relief The proposal to limit the tax levy on real estate to 2 per cent has been re? ported as part of the revenue bill at Al? bany, and there is possibility of its passage. The rider means a loss of S 18,000,000 in the revenue of the city, and this in? volves the imposition of other taxes to an equal amount. The New York rent payer is uneasy. He is agitating for a lessening of burdens. Yet it is proposed to relieve the landlords to the extent of $18,000,000 and to pet the sum otherwise from the rent payers, who constitute the general public. Familiar taxation principles teach that taxation of real estate?at least of land ?is not paid in a continuing way by a land owner. When a levy is a perma? nent one a purchaser takes notice, and pays less for the property he buys. A new and higher tax level confiscates land values sufficiently to provide a fund which, at interest, produces enough to meet the tax. But, hit once, the land owner is not hit again. Conversely, when the new level is lower the land owner finds the value of his holdings added to. An expert like Professor Seligman, applying the principles expounded in his "Incidence of Taxation," would estimate that the capital gift to the land owners of the city through a permanent decrease of $18,000,000 a year in taxation would be something like ??300,000,000. Does jus? tice require that a present of such mag? nitude be made to the land owners of the city? AH a Friend Claims Concerning the covenant Walter Lipp- : mann, collator of the data Colonel House ? took to Europe, may be assumed to speak with some authority. It. is there? fore interesting to note his claims for the instrument. In Mr. Lippmann's analysis, published since his return from Paris, it appears that he mentions but one affirmative or substantive thing provided by it, and this is it: "They 'the covenant writers'! provided, therefore, first of ?11 for the presence in one city of men who can rm-ak for ! the government: ." This is the only claim or specific merit. Nothing else is mentioned. There is no second ?tern. The delegates, or ambassadors, arc to assemble at one place and to transact business face to face instead of through embassies as now, with more or less criss-cross cor? respondence and opportunity for.mis? understanding. By failing to speak of any other good thing Mr. Lippmann im plies that this unifying o( diplomacy is the only definite gain the covenant brings. His sense of candor, a candor which others might imitate, prevents his making any other or larger claim. It may be of benefit to have the am? bassadors under one roof, but the his? tory of European congresses, with their temporary coming together of ambassa? dors, does not suggest any diminution of intrigue. Home office diplomacy has a bad name, but not so bad as congress diplomacy. Vienna, Aix la Chapelle, Ber? lin?these are not savory names, yet at these places ambassadors met face to face. If there is advantage in rapidity of counsel at a joint meeting, there is more opportunity for the whispered and unrecorded word. Note writing may not be wholly admirable, but to put things down in black and white with the cer? tainty that some day they will be pub? lished is sobering. But granted that it is well to have a Delphi, as the (?reek world had one, surely it is torturing language to call an agreement to send ambassadors to one place a league to enforce peace. If the designation of a common meet? ing place is all there is to the covenant the great hope of the world is fed on a meagre diet. Something more than this was expected by those who prayed for institutions of peace. A highfaluting preamble does not meet the demand for a world machine that would give vitality to the words "Never airain!" An am? bassadorial council holds out no promise of disarmament and of assured peace. The Proletarian Illusion Boli hevlsin pn the abolition of ? I '? of in ? , ? ? \ ,.,, i , | I i ? |i|n| ' i i??;?jt| i 11 (?. I I l| I ? ,1 I I.UI ? II | ii ? ? . i , |j i ? ? ,,f i ./ ' i : |l|(| 11|| ? y i , |, j,r| i bc?ous intellectuals for the rulorship of 100,000 oldtimo aristocrats. Tlie best sterilization against Bol? shevism is accurate and truthful descrip? tions of its effects. If it has reduced Russia in eighteen months from condi? tions of relative plenty to the edges of starvation (and that it has L?nine ad? mits when he hogs for iood), what would be the effect in countries of less ample food supplies? Rioters would, of course, be able to seize and gorge for a few days on such supplies a. exist, but what then? Crops ?are not raised by passing resolu? tions. Perhaps the best way to cure Germany of Bolshevism is to let lier try it. To try to feed Bolshevism out of a ? people is clearly folly. If L?nine is able to get the Russian stomachs filled from abroad he will, of course, say: "Have I not taken care of you? Great is Bol? shevism, an?! I am its prophet!" Patriotism as imperialism It may be doubted if President Wilson will appreciate the distinction which ' Humanit?, the French ?Socialist organ, draws between him and the. three prime ministers with whom lie is in daily con? sultation. Humanit? declares that it still thinks highly of him despite his concessions to imperialism. But in the others it can put no trust. "We know what they are worth?they are each for his country, the very incarnation of im? perialism." This is a very clear and simple defini? tion of patriotism, which is being for one's country. Imperialism is its syno? nyme. The alternative, of course, is in? ternationalism, which is caring for every other country as much as for your own ?sometimes, if the words of interna? tionalism be a criterion, rather more than for your own. That is the attitude which Humanit? would apparently im? pute to the President. Mr. Wilson has had ample reason on many occasions to pray to be delivered from his friends. He may well regard this attempted compliment from Hu? manit? as anything but complimentary. The picture of the head of the American mission as one who, unlike his col? leagues, is not for his country is scarce? ly engaging. Nev/ York's Side Shows It is nothing new in the life of our old town, but we do think a word of meek protest is demanded hy the tidings that New York is to be one of the freaks ?it tho Methodist Missions' centenary cele? bration. Traffic policemen, the Statue of Liberty an I a near-snloon are among the tidbits of New Y rk's vie intime to be exhibit, ?I along w il h igloos and pueblos and oilier "strange sights and people" from all the world. No doubt a slum and a gunman and the library lions will be added. What we object to in ?he statement Ihal of the 250,000 Mi.idle Western spec? tators who are expected fo visit the show al Columbus, Ohio, next ?Tune, only a few have ever visited New York or are familiar with these metropolitan mys? teries. What we mean to say i*- thai New York holds nothing mysterious or awful or expensive or jazzy which 100 Middle Westerners have rot visited for every one New Yorker. Wc leave out the hotels as net. a fair question. Nobody knows the hotels in his home town?or should know them, that is. We have in mind more legiti? mate objects of research??"rare and curious,'' as the book catalogues say? those queer little shops where you rrm get imitation Russian kettles for only four times what they are worth; that jolly little Italian restaurant where Mr. Caruso is supposed to dine and may even have done so once; the Aquarium; that private dancing chili at ? -'s, where everybody dances with everybody else and nobody is supposed to be respect? able but everybody is. And so on down the row of sido shows. On the word of countless visitors from the Middle West New York is replete with these shows. Once in a decade a New Yorker is caught without an excuse and is led into one of them. But of his own initiative a New Yorker would as soon be shot as visit the Statue of Lib? erty or go up the Woolworth Tower or eat anywhere except at one or two mild spot't where he has learned what can he eaten with a minimum of risk and ex pense and how to intimidate the hat check boy into letting him keep hi:; hat, and stick if. under his chair. The hj.- show under the big tent i I about1 al! New Yorkers have time for, or third- they have time f'<r. 'I hey n lot. f : i ' ? ' ft ft i ' ' 'il.l! or, i < I - . I ? ' ' ' I I ,1 ; ? -I i i rnfci , ? ' / II > < I > i , ? h I il lili I I -IM ? I n lo. . !?? | ||l| . | ? I < i I,' || I I I I M i , , , ? . . ? , . . i The Conning Tower Yale When you and I were pally ?How Ion? opn it creniB ! - Wo tramped MacDougal Alley And Bpoko of life and dreams. Through nil the arts we wended Our near-bohemlan way. And now the chapter's ended: You're Someone's fianc?e. For all those sprightly playtimes, For ail our youthful prank.-', For memories of gay times, Sweet lady, take my thanks. Life is more fair for brooding On a dead but lovely hour. My thanks for all . . . Including This entr?e to the 'lower., ISOSCELES. Former Senator Bailey speaks of the President's socialistic tendencies, but the Socialista arc conscious of no Woodrovian i tendency in their direction. Our feeling is that you can't picar some of the So? cialists all the time, you can't please all ' of the Socialists some of the time, and : you can't please any of the Socialists any ; of Ihn timo. "'Whom Are You?' Said Cyril" [From the Herald I Honolulu has a girl swimmer whom It be? lieves is a coming champion in the sprints. Still, even so careful n writer of Eng? lish as the Sun's -Mr. F. Ward O'Malley speaks of "a lady whom Secretary Zirald said wore a green and gold lace gown." by m means Sin Would it bs breaking the rnlo to say tha? the type of League the Germans want to set up is 14-pt. Gothic? A. R. F. Tilings are 3cldom what they seem, ns Gilbert lyrically observed. Hut when the Pre; ident sends for the George Washing? ton, that, to I'. B., seems like Lohengrin ling ? r I swan. "Loquacious Man" i \ seven-cornered poker came is In progress j and has been for two hours. There are four ! women and three men. Two of the men are ' " bands of two of the ?omen, the third Is a hacheli ?? who couldn't escape. The women are all winners. The remarks vji Italics are from ' the men.? "A quarter limit makes a sensible p?me, ! and no one ever gets hurt unless they have an awful run of luck, and oven then not badly, And tho bet I part of it is you don't havo to keep your mind on it all ' time. 1 p to nie? I'll ct^^n for n quar? ter, Oh, yi i, I was telling you she (javo i i u i heck for $18 and it cumo bnck no funds," ?' '.'? it funny (hit Client, r can't win11 I I ; ' 'lier like him, Lot of USQ n( toy v. inning. I lon't 11 ink you cm pay mo off with n promise, dearie, even if you uro my husbund, >Vnd poor Mr, Squill hnsn'l had a hand to night, You raise no?? Once more, a' you. i all? Thrco jacks and a pair of nine'! is all I have." " /',' r ffl C/OOd." "Well, unlucky at cards lucky in love, they ray. i f that's any comfort to you. for my part I'M take the card luck : run a chance on the love luck. I suppo ' ! une one ?a th inking it's a good thin.fr I'm easily pleased. Oh, I have si-, cards and I simply refuse to have, my hi d declared dead. It's too good." " // ere are two a ? "loi", h-- the old Aunt Anit"? Always croaking about some one brincr shy. If i h< ("er WON a pot, he MIGHT be ?nter ? ted. Oil, well, I'M he one to come up because I'm such a (rood winner, though I know ! put up once. Anything to keep it a good naturcd game. Ha! Ha! Ha! lia! You men ail play as if your lives de? pended upon it. I ?? it opened ? Of course I'm in. Doesn't poker seem silly after an .-.: '< moon of Aucl ion ? But it IS rest ful. l'p to me? Twentj five cents more. Only call nn ? All black, as you men say." "That's good." "I'll cash in ten dollars.' worth if any one needs chipa. Four Staccy. 1 certainly have the Indian sign on him. Hasn't beaten mo to-night, and once when ho had those two pair remember??ha didn't call and I didn't have a thing. Serves you men right." "Somebody's shy." AMBROSE GLUTZ. Repetition wearies tho baseball writer, of course, which in whv "initial sack," "willow," arid similar variants are used. : And, according to our own sports page, las( Monday's game la ?ted "1 hour and 60 es." Wo are willing to bet a quart of Pom? mard against a glass of wild cherry phos ho says I hour and CO i ? '? r ? to four tens ns ? wo pairs , .- te, Pf?fff?ffi for ? io.?. t,, i. Kln?eTg?rtef? I H-'lMJ 'ni Util - i I ? hl ?I k- >l ... il ,:j| ! By Arthur S. Draper (London Correspondent of The Tribune) ? ONDON, April 5. War makes strange ? bedfellows. The Slav and the Lut m fight shoulder to shoulder; the Occidental and the Oriental suffer together in the piercing cold of Siberia and occupy adjoin? ing seats at the peace table. Prejudices centuries old have been suppressed and alliances racially, geographically, psycho? logically impossible have been formed. Take the recent report of the joint indus? trial conference which is a direct re of the national indi itria! conference held here in February. This committee included employers representing great engineering concerns, clothing manufacturers, shipping industries, leather, rubber and pottery works, on ono sido, and on the other the employes engaged in these and other trades. It was a. new departure in British industrial life; it was a revolutionary Btep tnkon m n m imcnl of national cri is, On this committed sat mon who counted their fortunes in the millions and men who I to make four pounds a wocli support n fani i'y of eight, On the ? n ' sido v ero i roo kii ighl .'? nnd on t ho worker ??' : wo e x ? 'abincl :.i ini ' i ' .i ml I he same number of i w omen. On i ' i? committee capital and tabor had equal numerical representation, but when they r;ime to draw the report there was no division. The committee Issued a unani? mous report. That fact mu t be borne in .' mind when reading this recoi imcndal ion on the question of working hours to the Lloyd i ;< orge government : A 48-Hour Working Week "in regard to hours the committee are unanimous in recommending the principle of a !e?.::il maximum of normal hours per week for nil employee) persons. Th< ber i f hour.; they rccommei d is fortj eigl ', but they recognize that this number may !.. ? reduced by agreement, and that there I are also exceptional cases in which it may be necessary that it should bo increased. "They accordingly sugg? I I t legal sanction should be given to trade ments for t he rcducl ion of 1 nd thai und T certain ? ? ? i '.: I <? similar sand might bo given to such for the augment a tion of hour . "? : ey propi >. f : here b ! a d ? ? re fo r \ iriation ex ; i by one party only a conference should be summoned whose decision should under or? dinary circumstances receive legal sanc? tion. "They have not deemed it possible with- ! in the terms at their disposal, nnr did they feel competent, to draw up a li.;t of pro- ? posed exemptions, but they consider that an : interval should elapse after the parsing of the act in which applications for cMemp tions should bo made and that inquiry should then take place into each case, and the application of the net should, if neees snry, bo postponed in nay particular case until th" completion of such inquiry. "Thu < some occ may he alt er exempted from the act, while In i ? .. maximum may be varied in either diJ reel ion by agree ment bctwi i Capital Indorses Step i a radical si fldVfi rice Mritish lal r 1 ' vhrtt ? ... lafilji'JHii! i tl| III ! i ? || I ' ? | I public notice of its proposed findings and shall hear representatives of any trade that may desire to be heard. "7. Where an agreement is arrived fit be? tween representativo organizations of em? ployers and trade unions in any trade lay? ing down a minimum rate of wages, the Minister of Labor shall have power, after investigation, to apply such minimum rate, with such modification as he may think fit, i i all employes engaged in the trade fall? ing within the scope of the agreement." Alleviating Unemployment At tho present time too British govern- ? nient is expending- moro than $5,000,000 a week in unemployment bonuses which i range from $o.",'i> for- a woman to $6.25 for a mail. Tho latest figures show that this j money is being distributed among 444,277 men, 48(3,{145 women, 26,827 boys and 31,070 'ort unatoly, tho government be Hevea th?3 nu m bor will increase before tbe reorganization of Industrial life has reached the pom: whoro tho factories can absorb tho majority of tho worker . It Is difficult at this timo to e ti mat o v hat t ho "m ini niutn" wage will bo, but, allowing for the dec it;, io i 'i the c. ? of living v. I? ich M r. Bonar Law rather confidently prophesied n few days ago, it i'? certain that the figure will be weil above the government's present unemployment allowance, which, by the way, continues until the end of the summer. To alleviate unemployment this industrial committee recommends the cutting down of : ovi rtim . tl e establishment of two shifts; \ the adoption by the government of a com? prehensive housing programme, which would furnish work to a great number of employes and also relievo the present shortage <??'' living accommodations; the state development of new industries, such as affon tat i n, reclamation of waste lands, and the development of inland waterways. The End of Child Lahor This paragraph is devoted to the "Limita? tion of Child Labor": "The committee are oP opinion that child labor is; had in principio and in practice ti .'ois to decrease the chances of adult em? ployment. For these reasons, without going into details, the committee think that the acre at which a child should enter employ? ment should bo raised beyond the present limit" (fourteen years). Oil Companies' Denial To the Editor of The Tribune. Sir: The New York Tribune of April 11 has again published a damaging misstate- ; ittributed to L. .T. de Bekker, on the ; activities of American oil companies in :o. Mr. do Bekker writes: "King Pelaez of the oil fields, ? . ? commander in chief of the armed force of the oil interests here, is really in serious dang'-r." tes an Accusation thai ?'rests" are supporting a ferVO ? ' of M' vice - nixed I ? ' md da ? ? I ? i i | ? ! iMi I ' ||| I III ill || |l I . I ; | ? in MlOt ; i , | i III ? ' tlill I || ? ? ?i I I vised the company to Immediately pa- *v money demanded, which the company did and saved its property. Gerer.il Aguilar has since been Ministe? of Foreign Relations in the Carranza. ernment and is now Go%-crnor of the Stat of Vera Cruz. Felaez has pursued ?exactl the same tactics, and if the oil compare have been, as Mr. de Bekker alleged, main taining Pelaez in revolution, then they als maintained Aguilar in revolution. x?, cases are absolutely parallel and constitute merely the giving of money to revolution ists to avoid worse disaster. THE ASSOCIATION* OF PRODUCERS OP PETROLEUM IN MEXICO. New York, April 16, 1919. Callousness Explained (Prom George Harvey's Keekly) /~\NE of the most significant iteag 0f recent news was contained in a dis patch from Brussels, which stated that "President Wilson has postponed his trip to Belgium until after the preliminar? peace is signed." In connection therewith it will be recalled that he has made only i two very brief and limited excursions to i the devastated regions of France, and those j by no means to the places most aorelv stricken. In this, it may well be believed, is to be found the explanation of the President's extraordinary lack of sympathy with France ami Belgium in their sufferings from the war. His indifference and even his callous? ness toward those martyr nations has been one of the most amazing features of the whole case. He has been much concerned for the welfare of Germany, that her peo? ple should be. fed and that they should not be burdened with any crushing indebted? ness. But for the French and Belgians, who have suffered immeasurably more than the most vindictive have ever proposed for Ger? many, he has had few words of sympathy and scarcely a single wholehearted and red blooded demand for redress. Of course, his ears have been filled da and night with the insidious pleadings and verbal camouflage of German sympathizers, who are plotting to have Germany so spared from paying the penalty of her crimes that she will soon be able to reassert herself and to renew lier attack upon civilization; while France and Belgium have been silent in the dignity and pride of their unparal? leled bereavement, assuming that there was no need of 1 leading their cause to any tribunal of humanity. We might b.avo thought that the Presi? dent's first impulse on goinir to Kurop? would be to see for himself what Belgium and Franco had suffered. An the former head of o great uni\ i ild have 1 upon the piteous ruins of Louvain, Am the "i of the people, catching, as ho himself has ??o elo? of humanity that are i ','..?? .. -," I a h lU?d have made his ?enes where humanity ' iffrrod martyrdom. He wai ? o bo a member of I d court repai m to the in jured. Should ho not have seen for himself how great the injury had been and there? fore how : ? ?" ould be' Is it not a practice of jurisprudence for the jury to viev I o e of the crime? He did i it ' He would not do so. He had time to travel about the Continent haranguing the multitudes, leading brass bands and throwing kisses to crowds which were acclaiming him as the "pod of peace." He had time to argue and to insist that Germany should be permitted to enjoy the generous terms of what would be practical? ly a negotiated peace. But Be had no time * i visit Belgium. His purpose was and is to pa:, upon the claims of Belgium without inspecting the grounds for those claims. After he has settled '.'?::? matter, after he aid to Belgium end France, "You ae'-> too much. Poor Germany could not pay so much without serious deprivation and suf? fering!" he will make an excursion to Flan? ders fie Id . v. h< re the :row amid at all the pother Perhaps ?I is wise. Perhaps it is discreet. Tf ho saw what is to be seen in some parts of Northern France and in Belgium, his equanimity disturbed. His sym pathies might be i might actu? ally feel a righteous indignation again?* Gormany, so that Tie would join the major? ity of the civilized world in demanding that the fullest possible reparation he made to the innocent victim? of that incomparable criminal, even I 3 whole race of Huns be bled white for a generation to come. But it would not do for the President, Ices ef humanity that nr? in the air," to be thus roused to pas? sion, sway h;s Judgment againsi the Hun-, and tel ''n th* doctrine of ' &nd even to repudiate ' ' "peace with? out v. the tefm? , "en'7 t ., t hi ? Wit en in ion 8 Go so? ??if i, II. riM i ?