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Lip?on and His Yacht Will Try Again "I Special Cable Service. Neto York Tribune (Copyright, 1919, New York Tribune Inc.) LONDON, October 18. TE had many a try and many a defeat," said Sir Thomas Llpton in an interview to-day with The Tribune correspondent, "but thia time I think I have got them." Sir Thomas thus indicated .the optimism with which he regarda the chances of Shamrock IV in the coming America'a Cup races off Sandy Hook. "I don't think there is any doubt that the challenge will be accepted," he said, "nor that this will be my time. Of course, the best boat is going to win, but I can say my boat is going to turn the trick. I have every confidence in Captain Burton, who will sail Shamrock. He is an amateur, but has sailed more than a thousand races and has established a famous record. "Shamrock, as you know, was on her way to America when the war began, and has been laid up ever since. But Mr. Nicholson cabled me before he sailed from America that she has had the best of care and is in the best possible condition. That is all I want to know. "The American cup defender was built before the war, about the same time as the Shamrock, so there won't be any advantage In point of age for either boat. "I have sailed .Shamrock IV up and down the coast of England and am convinced she Is the best boat afloat. I've another Shamrock which I will send across some time before the date set for the races and which will act as a trial horse." .. t Sir Thomas is anxious to know as early as possible what date will be set for the races next year. "There is one thing I want to.say as emphatically as possible," he continued. "That is the mag? nificent treatment I have always received at the hands of the New York Yacht Club. I have always been given the best of everything. Perhaps in the past there have been a few mistakes, but they have generally been in my favor. I have sailed yachts in a great many places, but nowhere have I been better treated and there is nowhere I would rather sail than under the auspices of the New York Yacht Club." The Irish yachtsman is uncertain when he will go to America He may not go until shortly before the races next year. There will be a lot of British money up on Shamrock TV nejct year. She has been much of a mystery to the British public, but the secrets of her construction ?are now coming out. The Resolute: WH/Ctf IVO/V //WS or THSTWZLVS je/JCSS //V ""X /Q/S /7 <S/e TtfOMAS ^ AHO M/G Shamgo?k/v /??r?V/7ArCJSr ?-?_ *v*/ch ru/s vero &stc/r 7W?- coA/7i^Aro?-/s #/ /SO 3 Perseverance Has Won Him Riches Will Perseverance Win Him Races? / / TT 'D GIVE my la?t shilling to * win the America's Cup." These words were ipokcn In 1914 by that host of f-enJa'ity, the saltiest of gay sea ogs, Sir Thomi-'fl Johnstone Lipton. Picture a rather tall gentleman, whose skin has been whipped brown by the winds, whose flowing mus tache, tinged wj*.h gray, cannot dim the Imtre of an Irish smile, who walk? with just the hint of a sailor's roll an-i who<*e eyes carry the half roguish twinkle of eternal youth, and that is Sir Thomas. At the tim* he spoke of his last ?hill ng tbfl Shamrock IV was in mid Atlantlc, being convoyed hither by the Lipton steam yacht Erin, where ?ri September it was to have com? pete.'] against the Resolute, a little bundle of nautical invincibility, off Sandy Hook/ It was to have been the fourth ; Liptonian attempt to take back to ! the tight little island the most cele '> brated international yachting tro ] phy. In 1899, again in 1901 and In ! 1903 Sir Thomas and his especially ? constructed Shamrocks, with their J natty skippers, had fulled to "bring ? home the bacon." I War came. Like a peal of thun? der it rumbled across Europe and echoed to England. The Briton dropped his sports and tea to don khaki and shoulder a gun. Yacht racing and other alTablo diversions were sent into limbo to await that day when a nation that had never learned to love aporta or to play them as England and America did ?"rasw^*^4?^4?S^^^? 77,?:Co?uH0/sis ts/?t ae?xo? o/-ve99 '??o /So/. &**,,**& s*Q? ^?c* ! should have been taught an indls ' pensable lesson. i After the armistice the Irish bar ? onet again challenged. But it was too soon, the New York Yacht Club I thought, and the challenge was tem | porarily rejected, with the promiso ; that in 1920 a similar overture j would no doubt be given not unfa? vorable consideration. That time has arrived. The New j York Yacht Club is in receipt of .Sir i Thomas Upton's latest challenge, and in duo course arrangements will have been completed cgain to defend the cup which the America won off Cowes, England, fn the historic race against the English in 1855. Theie will be no deviation from the usual provisions for the race, which means that the two yachts will race under tlio rule;! laid down in the deed of I gift rather than the universal rules which have been rather assiduously espoused by .Sir Thomas. With nothing to interfere, Sir Thomas Lipton's fourth attempt to lift the America's Cup should be sailed next summer, probably in June, with Shamrock IV?which the Irish sportsman already has desig? nated as his yacht ? competing against the Resolute, which was com ; pleted in 1914 to defend the cup. j i The Man Sir Thomas Upton is in his sixty ? eighth year. Burn in 18.11 of poor | Irish parents, pursuing a nomadic career in his youth which brought I him over the seas and into America, where, as he said, he loarned the value of "shrewd enterprise," before j reaching the ago of liRy he had i amassed a tremendous fortune, estl i mated at $50,000,000, in the tea, coffee, candy and packing business, ! and his charities had caueed him to | be known as an international figure. It is an epic task he baa chosen, | that of building a yacht in England, ! bringing it to America under its own sail, creating it swift, yet sea : worthy, and competing against tho ' honest nnd fastest creations brought out of the drafting 1 rooms of American designers. Three , times a Shamrock has come over tho seas, and three times a Co? lumbia or a Reliance has turned her ? back?the last time in 1903?but those repetitivo disappointments have served only as a stimulus to Sir Thomas's ambition. This dominating impulse has be , come so much a part of Sir Thomas's I interesting career that once in 1901,' j when business troubles pyramided i and stockholders of the tea compa? nies complained, one of them after a ; stormy meeting shouted: I "Never mind the company. Bring i back the cup!" A love of the sea is always inborn. It is man's harkback to the atavistic or the amphibious. Early in life, j when he was a messenger boy for a I stationer in Glasgow, Tommy Lipton I exhibited this surpassing love of the sea and spent such time as he could conveniently spare among the piers and wharves where boats that sailed the seven seas came to port He said then nnd he declared often thereafter that some day ho would own "tho finest, fastest sailing yacht afloat," and /certainly .since his , flnancea have warranted an effort he has spared neither pains nor money in the attempt to consummate his 1 ambition. After working as a messenger boy | in Glasgow for several years young ! "Tammas" disappeared, and the next ? his parents heard of him he was in ; America, where he had gone down to Charleston during the reconstruction period. Eventually he shipped to I New York, and after studying j Yankee methods here and in New : England he returned to his native j heath. There he induced his father ? to open a provision shop, the trepida ! fions of the elder Lipton being over ! come by his son's arguments to such an extent that he ventured ?80 in the alluring picture that Lipton the younger verbally painted. The provision shop was a success. Young Lipton worked night and day to make it so. From such humble beginning was there created a chain of stores that encircled tho globe, there being in l'.?bO a total of 420 Lipton establish? ments in England and the colonies, .sixty of which were in London. No end of interest centred in the construction of Shamrock IV, which was launched at Ports? mouth Harbor in May, 1914, and which was promptly dubbed Lip ton's "nautical crime." The designing and construction of the challenger by Charles E. Nicholson had been shrouied n mystery, and it was not until she slid down the ways that t.ngli:.n yachting enthusiasts perceive?! that ?ill British building precedent hf.d been shattered and that an English? man "had dared to do something. original." The Shamrock Recently Charles E. Nicholson on a visit to the United States was pre? vailed upon to tell of the construc? tion of the Shamrock IV. He saM: "The challenger is the first boat ever built in England under the American measurement rule. She differs greatly from the Resolute at.d Vanitie. "Shamrock, although a composite boat, is virtually a wooden one She has a multi-skin planking of thn c thicknesses. The two inner are diagonal, and the outer one runs fore arid aft. She has no tim? bers or frames, in the ordinary Bense, and but few wob frames, widely spaced. Some of these frames are of steel and others of aluminum. Instead of ordinary frames she has longitudinal wood stringers. "Her deck is very light, of p'y wood covered with canvas. M I her deck beams ere of wood. Her steel sheer strake and dec* stringer plate are those usually worked il 0 composite yachts. The challenger came across the Atlantic without any damage or straining of the slightest. "Her mast, instead of being steel, is a hollow wood one, and it n >t even braced with steel. It is the b ggest hollow wood spar ever made. "She has a much fuller bow then the defender and is longer keeled than she is. "Her aluminum frame? are n perfect condition. Si me * " aluminum deck fastening? will bave to be renewed, but that is all. il'r giant wooden mast was exai just in time to save it; her sails are in good condition and will be used again." The America's Cup contmitt**? which includes L. C. LeJyunj, man; E. I). Morgan, C. Oliver Ise?o, W. B. Duncan, C. Ledyard Blair, Dallas B. Pratt and Grenville Kane, have intimated that the cup in ?H probability will be defended \?S the Resolute or the Vanitie. In vie* of the fact that in 1915 the Res-J lute won nine and the Vanitie thr>e of twelve races in which they W*** entered, tho defence is obviou.-ly u? good hands. But whichever way the race goes the return of Sir Thomas Johnston? Lipton in the r?le of challenge; will be welcomed.