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.': , '?" -? : ol S( ptembei 1 1. in which
iMtUick in effect offered the Mayor
tue support of labor unions if he would
sign the $2,3^2,000 limeston? contract
:or the proposed new courthouse.
mer repeated confirmations of this
?atement, the Mayor was confronted
?nth a letter he had written to 11. t
Trick, dated November 14. 1918. Th?
letter .set forth that the Mayor had
received a communication from Hot?
?nek at the hands of John II. McCoi .
the Democratic leader of Brooklyn,
and that Hettrick would be unpointed
to a commission arranging for a peace
celebration.
In other communications produced by
Mr. Untermyer there were frequent
references to Interviews and confer?
ences between Hettrick and the Mayor.
The Mayor did not dens the authorship
of the letl r?, but Insisted he did not
know "that man Hettrick, as he
couldn't remember the names of oil the
men who called at his office."
Ne^er Met Hettrick
"When did you meet Hettrick?"
asked Mr. Untermyer.
"I haw never met him," replied the
May;. ''Some ono who might have
been Hettrick cume ?o my office on
: ' . nd talk? ? to me
about terra cotta and labor matters."
"You never heard of Hettrick prior
to February " 1919?"
"1 don't remember having heard of
him until a tei tha letter dated Sep?
tember 14, 192 i."
The Mayor here explained that he
turned the letter over to Commissioner
f?rsh?e.ld foi the purpose of having
an in- ? . . ' and I hat he had
, ? ? ? : ?.?. ithheld : ' .
al i ; d i '?. ? !
letter bad " id the Mayor, "are de
The respon sibil:
...... on the Commissioner o? Accounts,
to whom I referred it."
"So to him ?" aske;
! ; - "Well, now I am lure h(
will take
The Mayor resented questions as to
e ha i not taken a' : on regai d ;; g
? h ? couri ;. c contract so >m r, b --
t this mi| ? ead the
public.
?I - i don' mi ead tl e public a ?y
more than I do," retorted Untermyer,
"the p .' ! ??? w ; 11 about this
. -? before 1 ?- ; til Ot ?fh."
Doesn't Remember Names
?\ ? ? ? ovembi r 14, 191 -,
-? ?. I termyer a evi
/ that the Mayor had had
y ith Het trick two years ago,
- be Mayoi I:
? ittei .'. ! i ave '-:??<
onsil le people
il! over I i ci , and I. ca i n
?
,..,.,, , v .. ...; regarding
i ard of
????-. he said 1 m ?stone
r tin ' ? ? ta : i d I bal
thousand cut stone woikei ? needed
. ; ? i ? : ..-. : admitted he
had madi ti ?? '' "
him in Hettricl
ame til , 1; id
c "hi I no inten :ion of in; n ing terra
Ott il .
i i appears, ai c< m
lettrii to ?he
Pebri ?, !'J19, v I ich
lows:
??" ? , A ? i a cop;
ttei prepared accoi [ii - to
of. last evi ning. !
? ?? ?? . .? the statements con
? . ? ,? : . ? - ? ? ' tin
.?.?-.. . of the si one
ci re.a to verify 1 liem by
>cu?: '' : . ? ? ?inc.
'Yen iecl ulP ,'oui .
"JO x' T. !>! ! ' RICK."
D u i i n g I ' ? tal ?ard i n g t h i s
Ma5 r ad
: - ? ?. . - ? the l'on r*)
ii.eler his ov, n i ??? me, the
'? 1 . ? n o t m a d e i ;
forth
the i ame
intention" i njurii
"And you tool and : ??? a! lov> ed it.
t'.ker? You didn't send
Plaj i ;;??., i he ? abor Game
i tl lettei
. ? the ' ? over youi own
? out i . .
vest i
tdlirg of ci n
Mi . ust look at the
d n't yi ;, that
the lime
? '
Don't you ? ?ha! ?
;:"..?' i m game as a
- ? intci i
A n ? i ? . ; ? ?-..:' p . 11
? !-??'. ; a blind to I p the
?Y? loubt al
nboui
? -. ?: e
?t, t ha? just a
oi ?,, ? for ?mi
? ' i '
:? ' - way h
;.- ?? ? ?
The 1 pared 1 Het1 rick on
? - .," is, and which
he Maj for' irded to VV ilsej . a! ;o
the top:
i : to ineral
? , i ' i ? i et e n t Ai
thi li< rrl of Educa
ig Clin:
the I ? -, : iducat ion."
The >r said it was ] lible that
? I ? - t( I 1 - : I th 181
d not i ?member.
I he Letter tu Wilsey
i in ull:
"Feb lai - ' :
"Hon. Frai '. D. Wil : . O'J \Yesl Street,
"New \ ork ( ty.
"1 lea i . Infori tioi has :
? i to that condition
xif-t; ?n the i nsti ctioi of t he pub?
ic schools ch may need
. t tent ion.
"Thi :- ii I e work
of eJ ec ??? - ? tnbei ( school build
. "?'s ? ? i methods oi
eon?) i have be en com mit I ed in
.' i . ? ? I be remedied now
I am informed tha or several years a
f terra I I i I been u I
a ver; i . nt, whi< j not suit
able i ? ? be lace pub! buildi nga
: ??
! . called to 'hi
cotta i
. : '-? . .. ' .
? ... ?
lu i Id i ii| I Par k
mi us< .
the ar :- i tin tfunh
? ?
> ? ars in
?
"It has i
. that this clas - > materia
t lal f and
- plan > i :?-, - | ,
in ? ur c ty boun?
ty ] loying
:
les? on
..- >e? see!
paid to
the < - cut stone
I ? for n ...
n these
dant -, i undei -... ? ? all res
,i Q? . ; and that as rent
isvi-r .-?.--: re : he
?
"1 have ai told by their rep
al ? i \ eral ti., lu im
working ? - ive been in oui
? ? , force, a thi
-, rk, are loot
K co
'"J qui o mus? '<?? detei
? ?. - , ' better to have permanent
of our publ i chool build
na) irai stone fabricated by
i Aucun ?>f thi ?City, rent payers and
taxpayers, rather ?Iran In material pro
duced t'y labor in New .Jersey and else?
where. Very trulv yours,
' ?JOHN P. HYLA.N,
"Mayor."
"And here," went on Untermyer,
"thej were about to determine on
forty-one schools on what sort ^\ stone
they should use. and here von wrctr
them a lot of stuff about tena cott
and non-union nun and New Jersey
niants and a lot of other things tend?
ing lo injure the use of terra cotta,
and you didn't look into a single one
of those matters?"
"With no idea of injuring terra cotta,
Mr. Untermyer."
Doesn't Know of (hange
"You took the statement of ii man
whose name you don't know and you
wrote it over your own name and sent
it to the Hoard of Education and they
acted on it and changed from terra
cotta to limestone'."'
"I don't know that they acted on it."
"You mean they cannot tell U3 to
:day whether they changed?"
"I don't know whether it was
changed or not."
"After wntin.tr this letter to Mr,
Wilsey, did you see any members ?f
the Board of Education?"
"Oh, yes. I saw the Board of Educa?
tion very often.''
"Hid you take up with any of them
the subject mutter ci that letter'.'"
"1 cannot remember, i may have.'
"Didn't von see Mr. Wilsey and tell
him you 'would like to have those
buildings of limestone'."
"No, sir. I did not."
"Did he evei report to j ou '."'
"I think he probably answered the
letter. I ant not sure."
"Don't you know that the statements
embodied in thai U tt tr that Hettrick
sent you, and you sent on to Wilsey
were a pack of fabrical ions?"
"1 merely sent I em on to Mr. Wilsey
'", : ; invi si igation."
In reply to questions, the Mayor ad?
mitted he never had examined the terra
cotta work in the College of the City
of New York, or the Municipal Building
01 the Bureau of Fire Alarm Telegraph
Bui dii -. in Central Park.
"Have yo : ev< r known for whom he
was act ,11;;'.'"
"No; I never knew Hettrick."
"Would it not have been better if
you had simply handed m the state?
ment as somebody else's who was in?
ten '
"It probably would have bren better."
"Don't you think that the last, para?
graph in your letter was a direct inti?
mai oi to the Board of Education that
1 ? Id use limes mi .'"
"No, po sit ivi l> not."
"Don't you think you'll have a hard
time explaining away that last para?
it ?"
?'] don't ee \\hy I should."
Price Boosted $1,000,000
' Bu! who n you a;,- to a depa rt nent,
the heads of which are appointed by
yo il is for you to decid' whel her it
isn'i better to use material made in
N< w Vori; < ity, by ta tpayei. . re? t -
payers, un ion l? h'1 \ than ;? n art ic lu
de in N< v. .1 ei sey oi - mewh.i re el e,
you didi '? st e ? hat t liai w: s prat I it ally
i di i'e tion to t hem what * di ?"
"it was not a direct ?
"Tl e result \ 1! ho .-.? ,v! it iht y did.
Thi cont.i act ? have bet n clu nge i hi
limestone, and the price on the forty
1 : ?? schools invol v d boosl ed fi om $15,
000,000 I i $10,000,00 i."
following the disclosu-ei regarding
t hi lime ?tone li tter o? Fobr is. ?? s, ] 91ft,
M r. Untermyer pi oduced u i tl er com?
munication from Hettrick to the Mayor
....:? d March J?, 1019.
The Mayor said he had read ;t as
pa r: of he big bat ch of corre! , oi eue..
which took three hours to gel
thn > g! Tl ' letti ' i cads :
' Beai .-'? : Rcferri i :; to t he eonver
atio ? I had 1 n refer r. ce I o i he use
of natural st one in the public school
d v- . ! bi ,? to say ; ha! I an i
>y ' ' abor union oi'i;
men that there ha beei ai attei pt on
foot now, even after y;i\^- letter was
stnl to the Board of Education, to usi
ten a cot? a m sevi ral bu Idinj^ The
for w hi i ' a*. awai de I.
"M y ' lient ? eel as they havt : << ii
h o m ' ' the? : 1 : I th e e uI stone
plants are located in1 New ?'ork, pay ?
? ,; taxes ? ?> th?> City of \? ??? '< ork,
they h ou Id not, be bro ' n com
with ' ? .? cotta product
are i nferioi fo r i ? rma n? nt pub
: ? ? bu. id ings anil a r< made outside of
the Citv o !\ov Voi union
!ab? r. .' . .
"!?'? cli lha you A'ill SI. n I im.
positi n >' a ting t he labro
union men oi - i'ork . . w?
your conl i : ti this matter.
I beg to ve; i ?. ii my last ire
terview with you i ? ated thai the ?
onal org; itioi v. ere greatly
erest . - o of stoi Net
i'oi ? ? ? i n! ; uve reeoivt
e
iiati s
given
".I' ?I? .
V not her letter t<
i Mayor proi
lit! h' sent to Hctti
Hettrick
. letter v i cl
ck in ? ej |y. It
"Deal Sir: i our letti r i f Mai ?? :
ed. The Mayoi ask: me to say
thai read; iken up with the
i loa rd e Ed ucat ion t he mal 11 t about
? ? write. Very truly y i i ,
. Execut iv? S< . "
''?ii r. ti rmyei here tried by devious
mean lo have thi Mayor identifvHet
tri
. m bi r '
? h
\ e
r ? lei lina H<
b<. s iiettri
let.
he was
contact
i met and I ??? II
'ii ? " remarked the
"Di ': I.'!-.', hiin by name ?"
eut if y him i !
.. , , room
" 1 low did you : come ml
with I in ?"
"II" must -??'. e i ' ' the office.
\\ oevei ' I to ? about tern ttn
brick ii.es.; have seen me. That may
: ?.ave bei n i i ? I ' : e ''."
"But y ou rv-i\ ? he mi r? ti i ? 5
times, lud conf? re nc? ? wil h h im
have written to him and received
a mem tandum h m, whicl you
lied verbal n ana sent on to the
Bo? rd of Educa', ion ?"
"I probably mel him, but den': re?
me mbei h m by name. Still, 1 may
know him if you produce him bese."
Heard Somebody Testify
1 meinbei be ne present at this
con m ttee'p i r i meeting? You heard
.'?! 1. lief rick 1 'stif> a e I e before you
eting '.' Von were thei e and
heard h im tes I if y didn 't you ?"
"1 heard somebody testify, but I
d ti'l rem? m be r t he name. 1 don't re
inber Ii ? ving conversations with
; :. ' 1 i t; - '. I, ! must hn\ e had conver
v\ ?th man bj t he name ? I
Hettrick."
"What is the difference be; wee::
Hettrick and a man by the name of
rick?"
"1 cannot remembi r tl e nh^:r< of all
people that come to m\ offli e."
"Thai your best recollection?"
""> ? am I - 'and on it."
Mr. Untei mj er hei 0 pro? uci d an
nthei letter \. ritten by Hetti ick to th
Mayor, .?ated Januan SO, 1919. In this
letter Hettrick says that the labor
unions of the city have suggested thai
he take up the matter of the use of
?".aturnl st n ;? th< pub ic schoo s, and
ask ? the Major t., grant him an inter
x 1 w t ' discuss the mattor. The | (tter
mentioned the name "f Thomas
O'l eai y. a business agen.
'Who is O'Leary?" asked ' ??????-.
my er.
"1 don't know."
"You know wl
It means
doesn't
"Yes, ii
'bu sines -
ivalb : di
a ire 1 t'
?gate,
Mayor 1^ Led Back
Ni w, th< s do bu ?ine.? ?-. and they cali
? ?-.s agetil.- ""
' in fight According to rej iris
they are doing a big busini ss "
"Thej :\f, especially with the city?"
Readjustment
Held Only Aid
To Building
Banker Teils Se?ale Com?
mittee Return to ?Ve-War
Cost* Would Make More
Cash Available for Work
Strike Fear Called Check
Taxes Said !o TSake It Nec?
essary for Investors to
Get ?li?d? interest li?tes
CHICAGO, Nov. 11.?Getting condi
! tions back to a pre-war status, accord?
ing to witness.-', heard in this city to?
day by the Senate Committee on Recon?
struction, it the only way lo solve the
building and housing problem which
I confronts the country. James B. For
i gan, chairman of the board of directors
of the First National Hank, told the
committee that readjustment of build
. ing costs would make more money
a va Hable for building.
"The income tax," Mr. Forgan said.
"especially the excess profits mx, has
made ?1 necessary for large investors
':- obtain unusually high rates of in
Len ?I and hit;-- placed another obstruc
t on .;: tiie way of floating mortgagi
loan -.."
Presenting the conclusions of a con?
ference of Chicago architects, Henry K.
[lolzman lid ear of ;tri kes and lock?
outs, fear o( artificial regulation? of
pr< duct ion and dis ribution of building
mal i i- al and : he : e ?? co I "r mi ney for
i building purposes were amone reasons
for present hou ins conditions.
\< rcmed ??; Mr. Holzman recom
; mended prohibition of force or coercion
"Yes. And if they nr" doing it with
j the city they are doing it with the
! sta'.e and private contractors."
Tin Mayor was led back to the early
; part of this year, when he acted as ar
j bitratoi of a bricklayers' strike.
"You' made an award of $10 a day,
didn't you ?"
"Yes." replied the Mayor, "for the
br 'klayers."
? rhe men "eve getting around $8 a
day. N'oww. Mr. Mayor, witl.; cri-?z
the a wa rds, do you think it wa ;
right for you to act as arbitrator in a
that migh co ; the city millions
-, lollari .;"
"I felt 1 wa. acting for th - best in?
ten ? of ? lie i ity, lion; ing had to be
rushed, and 1 thought il was tlip best
j thing to do. I th mji hi v\ -,- ought t .
? ivi el led the strike."
Mr. L-ntei yer hegni
j ! ion of i he Maj or by a ing Ini ii' he
'?lid not know that Wrighi D. Goss,
w horn lie had app unted to ' he Ma) oi '
[Ion ing ' 'on ferenci I ?mmittee, wa ?
j the head oi the i ;-:. '. I ist, and was at
? hat time t ryi ng ' > bring about ;. coi
? - .- in 'o,;'-ks.
Thi i ommit! ee's counsel I ried :
hi " the Ma;.ai led to ren
Go: ; 11'< in Ihe commit tee, all hoi h I a
knew thai Goss'e name- had been con?
nected with tin- building scandal. Tl e
M .-... or said he had little recol led ioi
Goi name, and t v:at he did n ?'
? ri membi ; ha\ ng been told thai In
v. as one of : he men held i es pon
for the housing sit lal ion in the ci .
L'nl .-r ?:.\ " r here ' rougi f out ha
hii -? '. ?' had demai -ii -: Ti
Hi Ci oner lam thai Go
! i- n loved, bu that the lattei . i e<
"\Ya.s ?I politii . influence that kepi
Gi on '. "
'?',i'. '\ - ,i good ci ! izen, you n .
have told me aboul ' ; d sug]
: e be pu( off.'
"As ? good Ma. t, ; ? i mighl liave
cut him <-,r."
Befon th' Mayor' . natioi Ro
"??.i D. Tompkin.-.. <ei el ry of ; he
.... lunci!, ivas u
tntl 'ora evv m . ? , and was i ties ?
: i me -I ?> bou I omo ''privih card " for
whie ii ?t \vi : said unioi inci .veri
fi ' c d to pay S I and $ for I he
; niege of work in r a rt time.
' in ?ne of thei ' ??'?' . a . : i
': ? ?' e of a a i? in, v, ii (he
: ? "Thank vi i -?
?" ! ? d l.'ntermyer.
Toni| hint admitted he ha I ?
., ' ; of the Mayor will
nued in the Ci 11
Hettrick i H, inn
The lei ii ' . '.rule to
Ma; fly] i on Jhi 30 "[
\?r. Cut ? nterpo
l ? ? all
i, in : . IJylat Mayor
- : Die nhor unioi
industry of . real or N ?? >v s oi ?
cinity h ? Ni- . i ?? ? ?. . ; ed me to t ake
mal i of ' c a ni natu ra!
i one in ' in pub! ic ;cln >oIs.
? iianimous resolution! hfi '?';- been
i .-,- -."i by the various lal.
and I beg tr> inclose herewith a copy
of :? letter signed by Thomas O'Le
bin ness agenl of tu?' vn riou orgai
ir.ation t te rested.
?? i \ e k now n i ?' you r ?nteres!
; ? i nbi ' splendid
you . re '><?'? .;? foi ; .? e City of N< \v Y o ...
! imtwil list? iding attacks ? ?. special
i t?, and m pe >ple are tirm in the
i . . ; - , iu will give their
? ? ? ,a ti i npport
"Neat j evei y n bi r of tin : oi
nvol v ed tl ? : ; '
the City- of N fork, In
? ' ? n );a\ i home which they have
> t niggled to buy a-c will ci in
Man; of th em >? re t ow
.! ? ?;?. : ;, , i ?' i '.'<, : . :
their h I depeni trg ?.;. oi
! La use of <tone, wh : ??'?' matei
i ??? 11 .,- ' .. ? i ,.! il, : ? . i . : ?
: by the Bourd of l d ical on ni I i
partments, ec ng tin
regime of your predete sor in t!
?1 ':- ! ffi( ? .
'Toi : a col : : . w h ich ? - '? -, rgi i: ? ? ec
for usi the sc too] bi d
tl'actured \*ew .lei (,wh ich wa:
no . . -,? ? i : e) by non-union
(which v.-;i . absolutely untruel, and
: ? ? are i i plants in Ni w i'oi
p ro d u ( .'?..- mal rial
lief.rick Asks Interview
. ?
in this eit - proxiniatel; $10,i
Oil which the ownei i e. paying taxi ?
an I in which lab ? n ire en
? ? tg . '. During pe?
. ? -
to 5,000 men arc engaged n this woik,
and 1 have n . investigation rc
l cently and find tl onlj ; bo it
; ow i mploj ed (which, waj. -a,.
' not true i. .Man;, i mei are now
ting i ? ph tient, and ii natural
stone wei hi pub! chool
. .. i'.^ would be work enough to keep
i 1 ..- for some 1
"1 beg to ask that s the
tive,. oi ? lab ? unions, you accord
- rt inl erv .-? -. oi designa! ?
I - m you de re mi
to take up this natti r."
Mr. Untermyei . ? I: "Now,
. accompanying tin .. let er .':?? ni
- '?i. bod) or er. I . ? you found
. . ' ?' That i ? ? ? .
The Mayi . ?? ink
ich a letter i offii I re ?
nn in ber, whei rea I ? act s. I
? emem be r : wi ter,
course, bul
f o 1 i o w i i
o lowi ig is a t . ? i n . : ? *
I
t?. You don't t
? ame of 1
Q.?But you rem . , .
letter? A. 1 rei embi reading such a
letter
I in strikes and lockouts and the right
ol , mm;, citizen to enter tin appren?
ticeship ni any field of endeavor he
A Kovornmcnt bureau of
buildings at Washington "leading to
i : ,. democratization of building asso?
ciations and the prohibition of artificial
fixing of prices and output" was also
suggested,
belief for the money stipnly was rec?
ommended in the enactment of a law
making the postaj savings and other
savings deposit'' available for indi?
vidua! home building at rates commen?
surate ''?ill Bavings deposits interest.
Railroad difficulties in providing
),?,,, portation for 1 lildinc mrterials
I were recited by C. ?I. Markham, prcsi
: dent of the Illinois Central Railroad, at,
'the afternoon session. President Mark
I ham declared there was a much greater
demand for cars than the railroads
could supply, '?ei thai each month since
! last March had shown an increased
! tonnage carried, ami that Finco .Tuly of
this year the railroads had cairo,;
more tonnage than in any other like
period in their history.
Cooperative Thrift Urged
Cooperative thrift, ft tcred by build?
ing and loan associations and other
similar organizations, was declared by
(\ K. Hoblen, vice-president of the
Union Trusi Company, to be a prime
nci '? ity in ' oh ing the hou :<e.
pi oblcm,
"Until we develop a system under
v i ich people would rattier buy.a home
than an automobile, we fail to get the
?nancing of building op, a sound I a
hi ;aid.
Edward Froehlick, representing a
Chicago mill work company, charged
the labor union.- w ith te I rid ing build?
ing because they refused to work with
uls nai fac? ured by an open
shop.
Disclaimii g any re ?ponsibilit y for
pr< . ni building i ond I. . I'homa:
|<e , i oi . pri iidei * of the Chicago
Building Trades A isembly, said he had
: no remedie i to offer. He si id wi ? ?
$10 a day w< re nol high wht n it wi
Id.'red thai I 'adi m n wo ked in
I average of 200 days a : ar and in vi w
ot the high co: ! of living.
The committee, headed by Senator
\\ illiam M. ( alder, closi d its hea rii ?
citj loo..; und o pa rtod
I imaha.
(>.?- Did ' ; reply to t? A. - ! usual?
ly repl; ' i i vi ry letter.
Q, ! f you i-i '-::i il to the letti .
wouldn' the repl be . files'
A. N'o doubl would bi tin , I tl
the clei ks di : nol give it. to n
Q. Thai :?? lai es to limostoi . oe n't
it, peci I c: ? y .' A. Well, ?1 may re?
late 11' lii e ? ic, ! rra cotta oj .
11 ii 11 .
Q, II ". don'1 5 ' ? ? wlial ?1 re! te
to '.' ! : h . . ?ti been re? : to you. He
; : o do Ii ten
. ,
, t ; . :,. letter; ;: 11 right, i s n ' 1 ? i ?
A. I th ?. . so; ?! .. ,vhut e lettei
:..;, : !' ? ,.? th : lii I c! :, : ?
: i i, , : ? , ' n os t o n e
Q. Do you thinl you know anything
about it now ? A. [think 1 -, nov moi o.
about now,
Vdmits ?(e \\ :i., Deceived
M " I lint! out in a litl le while,
You may have beei de :iv? d about it,
i think ? A i think I have
been. A whole '. il of us have been de?
ceived : bout ?,'. liai going on.
Q. But : ? me of us con l\ . when '1.'
tin i ci me; \ ou did ai ?' al utter,
?lidn'1 ; ou '.' A. ! ; ried to a ,vei ha?
lei
1?re i the lettei bef ire you.
This is your ? . i:, -?igned 1
you isn't il ? \. ' ?
1 !. Aro! :' i . Idi .. i ? ? John T.
Bett: 'M; ? "o :, ? ?ek"?
A.' >? o; "I ie.,i Mr. fletl nos "
?'A is thai o? nato than "Mj
Deal A. V . you : . ? many le
> "i ? to .-ri ? - ,. "Dea Hr. liet
trick".il ? itime.
Q.- V i , - e. . - . ,- - ?tate?
men 1 lh? you ti I'd from
Bettrick? so. no
Q.?< o you had enrd '.' A. Not
heard.
Q.?'! ? , iad ???,.?' . A 1 aid
l would ? ? ? i - ? tie ? -v il i ??
the n'v i
ver ?noel rsonaily.
': ?
t.'. iV . i . , liiat, torj !
think ? :. . . : :?
? i r, 1'
? . ? ' ? lyoi
i r ; vi
as Mavor? A. - Ac \
. Lettei '. ?
. fi !lo\ : "D, ai Mr.
"i ' . .:.
o'-'l; I .
O'l.ee.ry, I ?;..'. If ;. : will
1 .'??'.' i . ' ? '
day or Fi . ? ..
i \' l y
your*. ! ?" Flylan." Yldi ? ? -
, i . , ! ;
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address, Ii ? A ' doubt
goi . ??? '? . -
1 . ? ... ? talked o!
lette. l-'i ; irinvc
y i that le?Ier that the i
icgi i.'1'k on i ting ?
.... hey had
loi . re g ra n ' ??.:'.
din
"Quit cal proj i lied th(
. '? or.
??: '>'? erc-n't there foi
A. i , i - ? ,'iint 1
' '? ? ? ' ?? ' ? .?ild
. : " '.'
A. We !, a good man; .
Not Sun of Inert ise
1 '? '-????.. :'? :
ated, wasn1 it? >
: hb i ' 10.(10(1
Q. Ami v ' . ? ar ! ?
A. Ines, ... i i. ?'?:?:.
Q.--Ye.-\ ' ? i . .
?' at.
>'.:.? ? eon mil?i
dd thousand A. p,
lj is: ? bi
\. I sm not pi that,
Q, t ', ? . ? n i p o r 1 ' matter,
dr. Mayor, an?l 1 i bi
V Yes, Mr. Untermyi r, '? ut i cannoi
be positive to t ? .
Q Did I sa; about exact
dollars ? Is steei oi an i act
dollar? 'i i arc tiling in bip
d - ? don't knov
that wa ' pro
11 'or a
..
Q.? i ?
'>' ? v wlial
? ' . .
a to providi ' .' 1 don't
Q Vnd ? ??
? tnu oi of ools,
,';... ? ? it ? A
[ pri inn
Q. ' ? your : ni >ri i ition .'
A. ? never i
on it until 1 got the
through id who?
ever talked to
Q Well, th? conti for the
y i n given out
a I this : i . 1919? A.
N'o, 1 d nol so.
Q. And j'ou were i i eve of i
b g impro\ em? nt in .' A, Yes,
?V. S. Cochran Files Appeal
From Legacy Tax Decision
WASHINCTi its'. Nov 11. ?>,. ? tai : ?
Smith i och ra . ; uk, filed an
? eal ? ..-?: Courl : ?
: rom the advei se le ?i i i - t Com i
of Claim .-: '? '- lit to re ; ?
levied is a ? icj ; ? st i.. s
? t?te .. ? ? he : n ue a :1
of IS9S.
?' ran c n t nde I thai
.-.-.?? i I
more than -??'? en
. ".. ?.; after t he Spui i sh ? n : revenui
act was '? peal< ... a nd thai the levy ?..
At this reason illegal,
Daniels Would
Make Sims Ask
For His Medal
I -
Says He Is Holding It
at Admiral's Disposition;
Refuses Awards to
Men on Critic's Slaff
Raises Bagley's Honor
?D. S. ?VI. for Rroiher-in-Law
Instead of Naval Cross;
Asserts Wilson Approved
i ,,: , The rribunn'a Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON, Nov. 11.?Secretary
,-?" the Navy Daniels announced to-day
that the Distinguished Service Medal
which Rear Admiral William S. Sims
refused to accept has been retained in
' ihr possession of the Bureau of N'a1
gation, at. the disposal of the Admiral,
j and will be senl to him upon request,
if he changes his mind. The same
| policy is being followed w ?th regard
to tVtc decorations awarded Captain
Benton C. Decker and i laptain Ray?
mond D. Hasbrouck, who also refused
to accept the honors awarded them
Rear Admiral Sims, who was com
nander of the American naval forces
i.i European waters during ehe war,
\a ed his refusal to accept the honor
i last winter on the ground that in
' justice had been done many navy of
/,'. ?-g when ? /crotary 1 aniels changed
1 the awards re? 'ded by the Special
.\aval Board < \w
About 2,r;00 other ofhee.^ and men
of the navy received decorations to
a -, al specis i Armisl ice Day cere
Supported bj Presiden!
"The navy i no! < spected to use
' ii cli gun an '< fo -ce officers to ac
ce? ? thesi n edals against Lhcir will,'
? ci itary Daniels said.
In n.a ':. ing public the revised list o!
., ? i ' !s Seci etarj Daniels said t hat hi
was supported by Prey dent Wilson ii
;-, ; acl ion in disapproving some of thi
recommendations mad?? by the Boan
o Awards, though he admitted that tin
Presiden! had nol personall) gone i v<
'i. ? ii I i ??> to give ??' approval
Wien ?I was recalled thai he announc?
i las spring, when the naval a war?
lontrovei sy w ; ? being ?nvi -1 igal ed b;
lh pecial Sena! e connu i' tee, ; hat 'I
new list v ould be refei re d I o ti..
te Hou f. Mr. Daniels remarkei
tetion t each casi ? iresente>
ev, of the Pre - i d e n I.
- Asked he antici pa :. ! further ac
tion by i o ngres . to del erm i ne vv ieth<
injustices had ere] nto h
| tion, ecretary I laniels i marke thu
I ct of nava! ,: ec ?rations I1"
ii; en pretty g 'nerou ly givei uti ii i
:??..? b; ( Congress.
: -? neu Ii . ? ' nava I award
?i : here, will again bring i ? : .
' from Ad m ira ! Sims, hose
.i pre? ipitnted.
dal. The :? w lis! . nol material!
di ereni i rr the urigii tl ? .va ni ? n ad
ases of Admiral Si s's ! " i
. ?icei s, for -.'. ho'u ... . hone
v, ' ? recommended by th - one-tii i? i . ? ?
cas comii ider. Of the tee otl
vho .compi i ?! Ai i '
itaff only - e. en have ; g ven th
IJi ?tint ui ? ? d ?? ?. ce Me lal, wl tl
ori| -- the Boa rd
A', aril Mid ' e .- . - I Secre .
, - ;, i ;; \ ?-, y ' ? * ?eij ?o the rem
der stai I
il ? ? i inl , conlroversy bet'
-'?" ' ral :- ? id Si i retai } Dai
ovei he award f the I.i. S. M. t
Hie I ? anfiel
n '. by ?hrnii ne ? Secret ry [)ai
-, ? . the ; it! ii ? n
'??? av, ? : :.. , ?? ? oftict r
..:.-?. | . ?
ugu;shed Servie Mods
case ?I Aeim ral Sin - :.
- 'el Soi i Me la
? re . ,ai ded i K. C. i ohe), E. '
? '? . , '?'. A, !.. .;-. ?. ?.., ):, ? -.
bad beet . con n e d d
Naval Ci I I i ir.I 1 oard
?atio - ' > ' !.
Si. Nehofii a I. ? ? .... ;, , !
??'. :: i . ? i al i . i i m Si: S's sta
. h ., ?-. tin "
Twini ' - . :. It. Stark '. : '. M. Le ?
re th ? ... in i il.Sin
.'ho'.-a : .: ' I i, -..;?., , ? ,'
??ib) i i - ? ? ? O i h i
eel : ??? mmander's - ' . ."?' ?
,v, r i av, ar led chq Naval Cross i
W. A. Edward I V. B ib- i .
; , -, a, -,. L. -? -, -: L), iV. Kl ?
Ii Sexton M E. Y trm :. T.
'01 . " : ?" i . . : '
In the ? o ? ' : ?? I. ' 'one, a mei
bei of A?i m i ral . ... s! aff, Si n eta
1 i | ' r r?iial] ?' ' ?' I
the ...??' '?.??!??' A ards and t
?i -; the ?"ijf'tingui <hed S '.rvici '?; ??
11. ' ! i . : : ? .. ? ' (il lu :
?: .... ? -i n '.a ? y Cross wi
rei inmendu ' i ? me
il
Ragle) '-.ets Higher Award
mmand r i of i mken na
. in- were awafded Dis!
Si ?? ce dala are Capta
.Ora i, H. H. Christy, D. E. 1)
ki ?? ?? \ .- . ? : ? an -h '?'. Cl .
und i der i V\ . ' . Vernon. D,
en t, W. T. Com D v.. Bag:
P \V ? < ol ? (? latter two bei
? ' . .. perso
res] -. i :. he c i ??? o '
Satterlee, navy ?
.vi -.i originally recommei .? I by ;
l)i ? rd ot award ?'. Daniels .... -ed I
ecoratioi to Dis ed Sc rs
.
the fit award .-j approved by S
Dani ? ?? ' .-! da!
Honor, the ?t est naval decorat i
: .-. com pared \s ith six in tl
l ? nguisl ed Serv
-. compared ???? ith :.a> in thi ?
y ( - ??? , agi
' ."' : ers of comrne
? : - ' 9 originall)
ak? tal of M '?" :?. wai
I .'?'! av d orig illy auth
.. e. ? , : -, .
In ' '? two medals
I ,'c been author zed, a l -
? ' . ginal list; fourteen 1
',:" . c - Service Medals w
warded, against five previously;
v'avy Crosses were approval) ngaj
y-two h< retofore, uno twent) -
- ii mei dation were autl
I, ?- ??" t tl n a the original '
Y ? med ils of honor were <>wai
: ?:? folh wing: Lieut? nanl I ??
Boone, Medical Corps; Ensign Cha
ft. llama:..a, Naval Reserve; J
enry Balch. pharmacist' mate;
' IK Ingn m, gun in r' mat? ; Di
ii .. den, hospital apprentice; I.
ml E. V. M. Isaacs, navy, A. G. L
lenta! irg? on : Lieutenant Commi
? ;. ' '. tfadi jon, Naval Reser\*e; L
tenant Weeden E. Osborne, M d
C^vr . posthumous; Lieutenant
lo H. Pel ty, Medical Corps, rese
er G. Robinson, -unnery serge
v;ai-i:-?? C rps; Ensign Daniel A.
Sullivan, reserve; Lieutenant V.
Mai < orps.
Distinguished Sei ???- Me
ty-seven Navj Crosses and ele
ers if commendation were aut
a by Secretary Daniels to of::
: in the armed guai d s ;n
wax", ! re!of ire ha i been cons :
by th?- board of award .
Among the important changes
' therized by Secretary Daniels in
final distribution of war-time decora?
tions were the fallowing:
Distinguished Service Medal changed
to Medal of Honor: Lieutenant Com?
mander Joel T. Boone.
Navy Cross changed to Medal of Hon?
or: Ensign Charles H. Hammann.
Navy Cross changed to Distinguished
Service Medal: Rear Admiral Philip
Andrew?, Captain Frederick 13. Bassett
,? . Captain Mark I,. Bristol; Hear Ad
miral William IF. C. Bullard. Hear Ad?
miral William B. ("aperton, Lieutenant
Commander Godfrey de C. Chevalier,
Captain William '. Cole, Captain Lyman
A Gotten, Captain Thomas T. Craven,
! oui i It. de Steiguer. Captain
...... ? . Hart, Captain Arthur J.
II ;.; n, Captain Orton P. Jackson,
Kns n M;.clear Jacoby, Rear Admiral
Hilary P. Jones, Rear Admiral Austin
It Knight, Commander Ellis Lando,
Rear Admiral Andrew T. Long, Captain
Charles B. McVay, Captain '1 bomas I.
Magruder Commander Louis B. Porter
field, Captain Montgomery M. I aj or,
Rear Admiral Clarence S. Williams.
Seer? tary Daniel? to laj personally
decorated many officers here.
Police Find
Bom!)-Wagon
Horseslioer
(Continued fron page one/
ules before noon, September 16, inquir?
ing where he was to deliver a load of
material for A. A. Yolk & Co., wreck?
ing contractors. Before his questions
were answered the explosion occurred
? (j . e ni .: thing een of tl e driver
ien he da.- lied into the shack that
h , ; ;ed the Yolk office h id cxclain i . :
(lark Beiterates Denial
"Let me t( lepl oiu 1 I would right
away telephoi i : he boss. My horse i:
killed. That is my horse down there,
dead." ?
This account of the (Liver's perplex?
ity was credited to ('lark by seven.!
e\ ? ?.:. ; :. ....o pi the day of the ex ?
? I? ;-;, deni< : he ever said
i n h i iifi .bind.
What Clark does admit, according
t.o his t mploj er, \. A. Yolk, i s that
?i few moments I tr he aw the driver
with a number E other persons hud
d id on the scaffold that had been
d 'o lacilitate passagi over the
sidewalk ? . ?? ation and 1 at he clea ?-?. ?!
?he scaffold of them.
Acting Inspector Coughlin discredits
even the story I hat ' lai 1: ? r anybody
?? ? aw the ! . the death wagon
oi the sc Ifobl. < oun. hlin wa ; particu
l.'trly ?ntei ted in that, foi he would
to Ii now ?f the drivi r tallies with
In desci ilion of the man he >ays took
rse : . b shod. < loughlin pro
duc d photograph yesterday he a.
lei ? d ad bei n ; ike of the crowd
on the sea ffold betv e? i 12:02 and
12 : 10 the day ' tlie explosion.
Persons in Photograph Identified
ry figure . ' p h o tog aph, the
ficial as serted, has I "c;\ identi
?'.... an employee of Volk
. ? . . . , i : ? me om e se who i .
bei ?i al ib to {. ve a ?atisfa :? iry : c
ount of hi msel f.
Three sh : . wi re fired at Clark
? ..'. ! . . m. on October !" last in the
? . :>..' Jami ? Beil.;.'.
Il ?laiihnttan av< nui s, Lo ..
: ! d City. Reilly. an assistant fore
Stock ?A'1!', i ^- job and
?i.. Bi ndell, took Clark
?: me ? i h ii ist put his
, . ; ?... m stop
.....
:. ;' ?" : e thei ;
;ed, Reill wen ,i tun ed
.0 tin et her and i emai ke ' :
Gi Id \\ ati h Defl< i ted Bullet
Thi pistol shots Bowed. A iiou\ y
? Id wale in ??- ' ? ? ?;? - pocket
? i ? tl ? ; 't froi piercing
. . ? lies : ? It g 'd ar.d gr
r hi ? The -eond r.-i ?". td
? his left utlder.
; third missed it mark i I the trio
Med. i akei to ic Green
?: ' po ? ?? ? . ? ?n uid then to the
Hi :> t. . , '? :, .. [ay later
back a c \\ all Sti ei t
ng j
^cc ti : . r-v tig World, he
expiai , - he Bad
? en "shot hi ,\ ,? be ir
'.,:''" ' > ? ,'ay evei
m. when 1 "said j
1 . . located yesterday,
u! Mr. Vo phoned ti The Trib
tatement:
S ?!!, Makes Sm;< m mt
" ?" -? " in Tl ? e ? :. W. ?. .
; t hi toi ory tha
curre ci 1 n "hoi i.ftei
and based ' I; ?
' '?' ' ? ?.liatel; er I
1 ' but on no : . ? ' il knowl
'??'?-' ? It is i par v ther the
?r ? ? ? vorse I told' the
poll.f i .? nt.-rviewfd me,
and r also i dan pre . ati ;e of The
Evening Wi
"I the a bra icn matin by I he
bullet that v atei .
lohl i s...--,-., ?ices or" * e
nd aid he u a inclined to
? th ilFair wa -; e result of
" ? angst? ei ; ; , ; mi ; i : t it had
no bea ri ??:- ? n lab ir cr lubh s.
? man on the
' _ ind told other per- on -
about it," Yi : ? umed. "He nevei re?
pudiated f t part of he nti rview the
newspapei p ' . hi d. Wha he did
deny was thai h ! a i ever said the
tirivyr had ci red to a del i vei y he
id de our ti rm or thai he had
; kei foi a ' ?'? to cal] up h s
bt ?. i < an ? . ? that ( irk did nol tel?
, anything of that ? ort."
i ?;' iwing :> examination by De
parti ?"' ? Jusi ice A ? ' S illj ye???
rd . ?: ii o " <? y denied the most
? terance atti ibuted t j him
w*-?<.? jkI-** .?-?,*., ok, ?*.* .??- -^. jhU*j j-*_*, jM^vej *+Li*j *isU<?
The Aller ton idea
Allerton Hcuse, a resi
dem e for business and
professii m tl men, is th<
iulfilim nt i ?f a ne a ide;
in city housing.
n oci tbil ty and privacy ?
a I , the c mveniences o? ..
hotel, the pleasant quiet ol n
hi rue, l hese are p jvided at
a fraction of the cost ol ac
c? mm< dations at a first claw
hotel, bet ?use essentials have
been substituted for use!?
e.xtra\ agances.
rhe Al>rton idea of servi? c
is expressed in the pervas ?
atmosphere o? comfort to i :
found equally in iu lounge?,
roof garden, sun parlor, gyn
nasiurn aad music room.
AUerton House is a resi?
dence men are proud r
speak o? as their home.
Veterans Bolt
Pittsburgh Line
To Jeer Mayor
Armistice Day Parade Is De?
moralized When Legion
Men Refuse to Pa?s in
Review Before Baheork
Force Him From Stand
Throngs Refuse to Hear
Speech as Result of Tag
Day Plan to Aid Germans
Special Dispatch to The Tribune
PITTSBURGH, Nov. 11.?Pittsburgh's
Armistice Day parade was shattered a!
?he reviewing stand, in Korb"- Street,
near Halket Street, to-day, when thi u
sands of marching veterans broke ranV
and surrounded the stand to hoot and
jeer Mayor E. V. Babcock. T
ecutive, after va tempting to
a-ak" a - p' ech ; nd bein : howled dow n
by the ? ?:?? old r?$ and legio of tl
sympathizers, was forced to leave the
si and shortly after noon, after a pro
longed and tumultuous demonstratioi
Wounded soldiei s, riding ?i ai
biles in tie tirst divisio . beg in I e
demonstration by leaving their ma?
chines and refusing :.? pa ' e stand
so long as the Mayor remained
Immediately a huge throng formed, a d
the Mayor was ; he object of
.-.-, groans and epithei
The antipathy to the Mayoi s appear?
ance ha L its origin in ?:;- re!
withdraw a permit for a tag day.
tiled to take iilaca last Saturday, f r tin
benefit of war .sufferers in German ,
Austria and Hungary. The tag i
terpriBe finally was dropped b
Lackers, but not until ? ? Mayor
become the center of the i
thousands of veterans, inc
wound? d, as repr? se ed the < ri y
ii- Cl ?b, protest ing aga ?? Ma; -
oi's com --.a
Crowds Side ??th Veterans
The parade. the
which was a gun salute fired in
: ;. Park a ad on the 1 luejues : ?? I
k'ersity campus and on Monument i! ..
North Siele, at 6:30 a. m. ;
a succesi ful start al 10:30 a.
Sixth Street and Duquesne Wa;
the line of march, to Liberty Avenue.
to Fifth Avenue, to Grant Sti
I orbe - Street, and on Forbe - a
the reviewing stand, the procession
moved without interruption, t
by The Evening World. A reportei
from that newspaper is quoti '. as hav
?ng said to Zaranko: ''You i is!
ha rd rock ; ?en, riggei ?.
?borers, engineers, lumbermen,
smiths
? ! " Zaranko is quoted in ; ? , ly
"cut that! There ain't a horses
our outfu. Never wa: one. V. ? ? a
you trying t<> do? Is some one tryine
to put the Wall Street ?
some '?!' my boys ?"
'' never said tha'," . an] i
serted yesterday. "I u
. .! any of my men co a' ?tte I
?I e exp losion," h 3 con : i ? ued.
1 y could not have ? so withi
? dge for I an abso itely in
their confidence.
''Brindell's men 1 a\ e bi .
bers of my union on two or thn
! In ?-.' been threal 1 -
i ? would 'get' me. Thai is one n a
n I never went ne;.:- the Wall Street
iob."
Coughlin Doubts New Thecrj
Vet ing ?:. sp? cl . Co in, after r'i<
bai : ? ? ?unc? nent, to wh
n Id no detai s, that ; he ;.- ? ? :.
- 1 shoi the bomb wagon b? rse a
? ho tool: the anima] to the bla<
, said he had investigated tl .
I h ?ory advanced ;- Tl ? K\ 1 :
I ut had found nothing to su ta
The Evening V> orld said "the
? aid not go wit); his wagon ri
.... high board
? ? :h surrounded thi litten
?. e prop ?sed new t>-.:!:': -.-. Under 1
lice traffic rules he stop] front
i e Assaj 11
' -ouj lilin di ;e! see] ?? tha
? re .... no traffic p
.' Broad and \V
' e having left I he pos! \ :
ites before noon to 2 0 court.
Membei ? Lock wood
t? c said yesterda; . ':.:?: had at no 1
r.rior to ; es1 ei day' publi ? ?oi
? suggested lhal the buil Mug - .
? 1 are investigatin ?
ct 'd -. ith the \\ all Streef 0
lei l Inter m r, c . i i! 0 the cqi
e. dec led d 5 it.
Willia - . lawy?
aid ye terd: thai mem bers ?
? t ed
dense ero^wd? whii b,
rope! s' n I ? : e?
cheered thi tl : <
veterans. '
an ov<
Ing stand as the o t
' service ?rien's saiutch.
The.
mon as ': ?
Some <> the crippli d
by ci /iltans.
"Thi ,
many of the
the stand with ?
During th. . - ,
march, ? ? i
90 j.
? ? , |
Street
Vany Do the for' ;ien
? ted
Then
Street
nue. M my ?
as they
i
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me n h en
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\ 4:ed i
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