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well es the Conservative policy, Us*
?peaker rec&lfed that when he became
Premier, in 1916, he found an Eastern
pol ley already shaped for him. He
then lock up the Treaty of Sevres,
and, after denying the charge that he
had taken foreign relations out of the
hands of the British Foreign Office,
gave a detailed history of the drawing
ufa ef the Sevres compact and the Lon?
don agreement of 1920.
Name? Draft*rs ef Sevr?? Pec.
"Am for 'amateur**,' who are the 'am?
ateure' who prepared thU policy ?"
Lloyd George demanded, "I'll cam?
them?Viscount Grey, Lord Carton,
Bari Baifeur, Andrew Boaar Law and
myself, for Britain; MM. Clemenceau
??.id Petncare, fer France and, for
America, President Wilson. . A fine ar?
ray of 'amateur*'!*
The Premier then attacked the trab
>ct h? had reserved for the end of his
addrees?domestic politics. Remarking
thai "I've had a long spall and a
pretty hard one," he declared that in
19ie he accepted the Premierahip only
after begging Balfoor and Boner Law
to take it. If turnad ont, ha said, he
would welcome the fr-eedom.
"Ill watch, for iustaaeM," he said."to
'earn hew V? forgive Germany her rep?
arations and yet make Prance love us
?ore the* ever. PI! watch how we
are to pay the United State?, yet for?
give every other country everything
they owe us- I'll watch how you work
the edaeatioaal system, giving more to
?he unemployed, yet lightening taxes."
Lloyd George scarcely referred to
the "danger" of a Labe* party eieterf,
which Austen Chamberlain ?tressed
vesterday in his speech at Birmingham,
an? declared that he would support
lolly any government which embarked
on reconstruction, provided it did not
adopt injurious revolutionary or re?
actionary ?tactics. His only reference
to dissatisfaction among the Conserva
lives was the remark that ho thought
the resc?ution to be moved against him
at the Tory conference in November
would have been more honorable in
November, LH8.
Closes on Personal Note
The Premier closed his address with
emphasis on the personal note, saying:
"If in consequence of the position
1 have token I ir\$t into the wiider
nese, I will always recall with pride
that 1 have been enabled in the dark
hours of my country's history to render
her no mean service.
"I east myself upon the people whose
esusc I have never betrayed in thirty
two years of strenuous public life."
MANCHESTER. Oct. 14 (By The As
frociated Press).?Prime Minister Lloyd
George's speech to the Liberals of the
Manchester Reform Club this after
neon, expected to be a historic utter?
ance, was a disappointment because
the Premier gave no intimation regard?
ing his plans or his program. In that
respect his oration was similar to that
of Austen Chamberlain at Birmingham
yesterday.
Of his address of one hour and twen?
ty minutes Mr. Lloyd George devoted
nearly an hour to a defense of his
Near Eastern policy and to ridicule of
his critics.
^ Receives Greet Welcome
Mr. Lloyd George received an en?
thusiastic weleome when he reached
the Reform Club for luncheon before
i.elivering his speech. The big crowd
outside the building extended virtually
the entire length of the street on
which the dub is situated, and the
Premier's appearance wus the signai
for a great burst of cheering.
When cries of "Speech!" were heard
the Premier paused a moment and
then, commanding silence with up?
raised hands, he said:
"I thank this great gathering for
greeting me to this city to put the
case of the government in the efforU
whieh they have made to establish
European peace and prevent bloodshed
from spreading throughout eastern Eu
sope."
The crowd outside the club num
hered between 2,000 and 3,000. When
the procession of motors with the offi?
cial party appeared there was one loud
cheer, and the Prime Minister then
made his stop for a moment on the
steps to speak a few words of thank .
Clubhouse Is Crowded
The clubhouse was crowded with
many more than the three hundred per?
sons selected to attend the luncheon,
and all had an opportunity to shake
hands with Mr. Lloyd George. The
luncheon hall, with its dark oak ceil?
ing, was the chamber in whieh John
Bright, Gladstone and other notables
had been entertained.
The chairman, Sir Edward Rhodes,
escorted Dnrac Lloyd George in, while
the Prime Minister led Lady Rhodes to
her place. When the guests had assem?
bled the party stood and sang "Auld
l.ang Syne."
A notable feature of the luncheon
was the attendance of some twenty
ladles.
In beginning his speech at the
luncheon, and thus raising the curtain
on a new act in th? political drama
which may mark a climax In the career
of the striking central figure, the Pre?
mier referred to the Near Eastern
crisis, declaring the people of this
country muet not believe that their
government had endeavored to rush
Great Britain into war.
"We have not been warmongers, but
peacemakers," he said.
The Premier arose amid a tense
?Hence of expectancy on the part of
his hearer?, who were looking to him
to begin the fight for his political life.
A great array of journalists eagerly
?eited upon his words and rushed them
off to the four corners of the globe.
Warns Country Will Reaent It
Continuing his defense of the gov?
ernment's policy regarding the Near
East, Mr. Lloyd George seid the ne?
gotiations had been conducted in a
manner unprecedented in this country.
The government, he declared, had been
assailed with misrepresentations such
a? no government ever had been sub?
jected to. The country would resent
this, he declared, adding that there
were "queer people let loose" in the
press in these days.
"My task has been made much eas?
ier," declared the Premier, "by the
speech which Mr. Chamberlain, with
clarity and lucidity, point and force,
?tciivered yesterday.
"No one knows better than Lord
Grey," the Prime Minister went on,
"that in international affairs there are
factor* over which you have no control.
It is best, therefore, to be charitable
(o others. It's no use throwing stones
*t people who are doing their best to
va<rk tlirough difficulties.
"I did not improvise the policy; ?
inherited it. The agreements were en?
tered into before ever I became Prime
Minister. I am not blaming anybody
for anything in which ! do not take
part myself.
"We have had to recast our policy.
We have made the best of it and we
have succeeded."
i Weald Welcome Change
At ?ne point in his speech Mr. Lloyd
George declared:
"There has been speech after speech
of intolerable abuse and I am told to
Lear it like a Christian, but there are
toe many people about th? world who
think It is the business of Christians
to be ma??aered by Turk or pro-Turk.
I am net one ef that sert of Christian."
1 "The world has net yet raeevarod
\fpom the war," continued the Prime
Minister. "That recovery will be ?low
and tedious. My course Is a clear on?,
? will support.any government that de
fetes itself to measures whieh will not
lifliet permanent injury upon th? eeun
-y, whether those measure? arc r?
-?tionary or rerolutionary."
Mr. Lloyd George declared th? ?itua
?n wjM U*Jgr*vi for any man to in- ;
?g* in party or personal maneuvers
f? .' ni?.? m il i il.1,1. - '? i IMIIHI?
France Broke Faith,
Lloyd George, Charges
Ftotn The Tribuna'? .K ?topean- ??tea?
Oujiyrljrht. IS-i. h?vr l*>r?c TriVitn? too.
MANCHESTER, E:.gl*nd,Oet
14.?Peemier Lloyd George as?
sert?! to-day in effect that Eng?
land alen s had stood against a
Turkish invasion of Europe via
the Dardanelles. Explaining that
Britain believed thsr? had been
an understanding to hold the
Asiatic side, the Premier added.:
"Will you believe it that only? i
a few weeks ago we reoeived a
message from the French gov?
ernment that if either Greeks or
Turks invaded the neutral gone"
they should be reeiuted by force?
We accepted that. We thought
they meant it. How were we to
believe that it was only intended
for one aide?"
I?._ i
He meant to abide by his office, he
said.
The Premier had prefaced this by de?
claring:
"The future is a perplexing one. I
shall claim no personal or party gain."
Straits ?Control Vita!
"It ?a not necessary," raid Mr. Lloyd
George, "to point out the importance
of securing the Straits against a rep?
etition of what happened in 1814. That
prolonged the war for two years, and
it very nearly brought upon the cause
of the Allies irreparable disaster. But,
aside from that, it is the only road to
the fairway of the Black Sea where
you've got the raw materials you need,
surplus food in times of peace?in
normal times such as no other port of
Europe could supply, and. of the com?
merce of that part of the world one
third had always been in British ships.
"Vita! to us, vital to humanity, we
could not have those Straits barred
without giving away the biggest im?
portant prize we had won by the vic?
tory over Turkey in the great war, and
which had, cost us so much in life and
treasure.
"As to spreading the war into Eu?
rope, you have only got to think what
would have happened if the Turk,
flushed with victory, with no army to
resist him, had crossed the Bosporus
passed into Thrace and occupied Con?
stantinople. Do you think he would
have stopped in Eastern Thrace? Whc
would have stopaed him from going
into Western Tl.race and possiblj
passing into Salo;'?.ca? You know whai
that would have meant?war. And th<
war of 1914 praetically began in the
Balkans.
"I think it was right that before th?
Turkish army should have been allowed
to cross into Europe in the flush o)
victory, with the blood of Smyrna or
its hands, it should have had time t<
cool, and that we should have guaran
ties that there would be protection fpi
the minorities in Europe. That ia al
we did. We are pledged to shield thes?
people.
"Not My Policies"
"1 g.?ii told it was not our business
I am sorry to say that Liberals ha<
been pleading that it was none of ou
business to interfere between * th>
Turks and their victims. 'What busi
ness ig it of Britain's?' was the ques
tion; 'if the Turk insists, leave hin
alone: let him cross the Straits; le
him cross to Constantinople?a fre
road and a fairway to the shambles.'
"That was not the old Liberal policj
It was not the policy certainly that
was brought up in. It was not that
was taught in my youth?that English
men, Scotchmen and Welshmen shoul
every morning repeat reverently th
litany of the cynic: 'Am I my brother'
keeper?'?that" Great Britain shoul
face the world with the brand of Cai
upon her brow."
The Prime Minister continued hi
lengthy defense of the government
Near Eastern policy by laying partici
lar stress upon the resistance to th
French policy toward Mustapha Kern*
Pasha.
"Suppose we had followed meekly b?
hind France," he continued. "The Ken
?list forces would have been at Chana!
The next thing that would have ha]
pened would have been the crossing <
the Straits. Gallipoli was held by
very weak Senegalese battallion wil
orders that they were not to fire on tl
Turks. Both sides of the Straits wou
have been in Kemalist hands.
Counted on French Pledge
"Do you think you would have g
them out? You would have gone to tl
peace conference and said: 'Will y<
please get away from Chanak and Ga
I linoli.' And Kemal would have sai<
'No, we will guarantee the Straits f
you.'
"Our critics ?ay. 'Why didn't y*
have an understanding with your ?
lies?' We did. Only a few weeks ai
we received a message from the Freni
I government that if the Greeks or t!
Turks invaded the neutral zone th
would have to be resisted by force !
the Allies. We accepted that. \
thought they meant it. How were ?
to believe it was only intended for o
side?"
Dealing with the recent criticisi
by Lord Grey on the government's f<
j eign policy, the Premier said:
"It is not easy in the realm's ft*
eign affairs to secure agreement and
secure results. Lord Grey knows th
Take 1914. His proposals were 1
mirable. Hi? temper, I agree with _
I Asquith, was of the very best. But
was not the Kaiser's adviser and
had no influence over the German G<
eral Staff. They had their own am
tions. They liad their own ideas,
is ju.t possible that language less
rect, or that language more dir*
language more emphatic might hi
stopped it. But it is easy to be w
after the event.
Pays Respect to Grey
"I am not criticizing. I'm only poi
ing out that it was the greatest, m*
calamitous diplomatic failure the wo
has ever seen, and that it was due
conditions over which Lord Grey 1
no control. He, therefore, ought to
charitable with others.
"Take the whole of the incidents
that period. Lord Grey sought to m
peace in the Balkans. He made a pel
That peace didn't 3tsmd the jolting
the train that carried it from Loni
to the Balkans. It fell to pieces bef
it reached Sofia. k
"That wasn't his fault. The plan *
good, the intentions were excell*
but there were factors which h* cc
not control."
After his lengthy defense of the i
ernment's policies, both domestic
foreign, Mr. Lloyd George said 1
several times he had tried to pers?
others to take the Premiership,
continued:
"My course is a clear one, I
support with all my might any govi
ment that devote? itself and lends
energy to the task with singlemint
ness, fearlessness and resolution, )
vided they do not embark upon mi
ures which would inflict permanent
juries upon tua country, whether tl
mea?jit* b- reactionary or revoluti
ary. That does not mean that I pie
myself to support inefficiency in
government or uny party, but any i
?rameur that ha? net pursued i
course I will resist with all my mi,
That is my poHey,"
Security Above AU Interests
The Prims Miniatur olote? his l?t
by saying:
"I place the national ??pcuri.y
Erciperity abc-ve the in?s.aatji ?I i
?dy. ;?;iri if in eonsequenee at i
position which I ha/e taken, that p
I
?en whieh ? mann t? ?bid? by-~if in
consequence of that Lam driven into
th? wildern???? t ?hall always recall
with pride that I hav? been enabled,
with the assistance of loyal colleagues,
in a dark hour of this nation'? his?
tory to render it so maan servie?.
. . . If this were th? last day I
held this hifh position I should be
mera proud than ?ver ?f th? fact that
it was given me in th? last days and
weeks of my Premiership to invoke the
might of this great empire to protest,
from indescribable horror men, women
and children by the hxindred thousand
who were trusting to the plighted word
of France, Italy and Great Britain as
their ?hleld and their defense, and who
are thanking God at' this hour that
Britain, Great Britain, has kept the
faith."
On? of th? features of Mr. Lloyd
George's speech was a violent personal
attack on Lord Gladstone, who recently
has severely criticized the Premier's
Near East policy.
Assail? Lord Gladstone
"It was rather a shock to me," said
the Premier, "to see a Gladstone de?
nounce us because we were trying to
protect Christian minorities against
the Turk. I could have ?taken it from
any one else, but from a Gladstone it
was particularly offensive.
"I know the difficulty of any one
without adequate gifts, who has to
carry through life a great name. If
he only does it with becoming modesty
he insures, compassion if not respeet.
I am sorry to say Lord Gladstone has
never played leading parts. He has
given himself airs such as his great
father, even in his most exalted days,
never took upon himself. He has ac?
tually excommunicated me from the
Liberal party."
Asking ironically what service Lord
Gladstone had ever done for Liberal?
ism, the Premier added:
"He is the be6t living embodiment
that Liberal doctrine is a quality which
is not hereditary. There is no more
ridiculous spectacle than a dwarf stand?
ing before the footlights in garments
inherited from a giant."
Curzon Given Credit
During the crisis in the Near East
the Premier was persistently criticized
for putting the Foreign Office in the
background and conducting the na?
tion's foreign affairs himself, without
reference or consultation with the
Foreign Office.. The opposition press
gave Lord Curzon full credit for hav?
ing, in his two missions to Paris, ex?
tricated the Premier from a tight
place.
Mr. Lloyd George to-day referred to
these accusations and went into a
long history of the negotiations of the
Treaty of Sevres, aiming to prove that
these negotiations were in the hands
of Lord Curzon and M. Berthelot, of
the French Foreign Office. He de?
clared that the treaty was prepared
in the British Foreign Office with Lord
Curzon presiding.
"I never attended it," said the
Premier. "I approved it. The con?
ference at the beginning of this yeai
and thl one later this year wert
attended exclusively by our Foreigp
Minister. I assented. 1 was consulted
Lord Curzon presided with great abil?
ity and with great knowledge ovei
these meetings. I want to say thit
because of the rubbishy statement!
by the Cabinet secretariat."
The Premier dwelt reproachfullj
with the criticisms on charges l?vele?
against the government at the tim?
when the Near East negotiations wer?
in a very critical stage. He said:
"The negotiation!;, delicate, difficul
and dtrhgerous as they were, havi
been conducted under circumstance;
whichj fortunately, were without prece
dent in this country. Whilst we en
faged in a most difficult task, we hav
een assailed with misrepresentatior
with abuse, with innuendo, such aa n?
government, in conducting interna
tional affairs, ever has been subjecte
to before. And the country resents il
At the time we could not answer th
charges. We had to lie quiet while i
was suggested that we were wai
mongers, thirsting for blood, for th
reason that you cannot place th
whole of the circumstances before th
country without interfering with th
work of our representatives on th
spot. But the time has come when
am enabled to speak, and I mean t
do so."
Premier Grows Emphatic
The Prin;e Minister was very en:
phatic in insisting that it would hav
been useless to allow the Turks t
cross the Sea of Marmora, trusting t
negotiations later.
"What were we to do? Were we t
send a message to Kernel saying: 'Yo
mustn't cross the neutral zone, othei
wise we will resist you by force,' an
the moment he used force the Britis
troops were to run away?is that th
policy? Was tfce British governmet
to present the ?spectacle of the Britis
dragon to the world in that humilia
ing attitude?
"It is because not merely that ?
threatened but that we meant it, an
the Turks knew we meant it, that yc
have peace now."
It was noticeable that throughoi
his speech the Premier, unlike M
Chamberlain yesterday, made not tl
slightest allusion or reference to tl
Labor party or the labor policy, a
though he was gently ironical concert
ing the Asquithian Liberals. Refe
ring to the opinion expressed by son
papers that what the country wants
less brilliancy and a change to som
th??g "a little more dull and ore
nary," the Premier said: "There oug
to be no difficulty in supplying fro
among my critics any number of sui
able candidates that would fulfill th
description."
Says First Task Is to Restore Poun
After leaving Manchester the Pi
mier went to Salford, where the frc
dorn of the city was presented to hi
In a short speech of thanks the Pi
mier said the first thing requiring
be done was to re-establish the ere?
of the pound sterling. Trade depr?
sion and unemployment were ine
table; they followed every war. Th?
was only one way in which the wo:
could be restored; that was that t
depleted wealth of the world shot
be built up.
From Salford he proceeded to Blac
pool, where he was also presented w
the freedom of the city, and in a spe?
he said: "I tram, my countrymen,
see fair play when the fight comes ?
and it is coming. I trust to th
Never mind parties.? This old counl
existed before the first party v
thought of and will survive the li
party.
"Great Britain to-day ?tands at i
door of opportunity, the greatest tl
ever came to it. If we do our duty t
greatness of this great land is yet
come. >
"I have been treated by some of i
London press as if I were an old aci
whom fashionable circles in Lond
have no use for. But, gentlemen, I j
still go touring the province?. \
have people who change their fav
Ites as often as their fashions?evi
season?bouquets to-day and bricks
morrow. It is a good thing for i
public roan under ihetie conditions
go away from that jumpy, hysteri
atmosphere to a country where the p
pie don't forget the services render
That is why I came to Lancashire."
111 ' *> .m
Dcav D'Annanzio Raid Rum
LONDON, Oct. 14.~-A Belgrade
port that th? Fascisti under Gabri
d'Annunsio'a leadership had oocup
Buahak, in th? Fiumo region, is
elarsd to be utterly unfounded lr
semi-official dispatch from Romo.
-. ?1 I I.IM i?
Geil??.:, Intime Tas SweU
BERLIN, Oct. H.-WhU? it had b
estimated thai the i?cemo Uv in l
would y,?.(l 12,000,000,000 marks,
actual yield, r.tfs.ovdiRjy to th? n?
?sapere, 1? now expeeted te ameunt
?betwaen TO.000,000,000 and 106,030,0
i 900 marks.
Split May Put
Reparations
Up to League
French, Opposing Britain*?
New Proposal, Despair of
Fruitful Co-operation,
and Force I?n*t Desired
London's PlanAnnounced
Would Reorganise Repara?
tion Body and Try to
Balance German Budget
By Wilbur For. eat
Special Cabin to The Tribune
CopyrlchH 1022, K?w York Tribune Inc.
PARIS, Oct. 14.?The League of Na?
tions may be called upon to handle the
German reparations problem, which
again has brought England and France
into sharp difference of opinion. The
French to-day began to despair of
fruitful co-operation by Britain in a
settlement.
The British plan for financial re?
habilitation of Germany, with complete
relief from reparations payments for
five years, was made public Officially
here to-day. Sir John Bradbury, Brit?
ish member of the Reparation Com?
mission, explained the main points to
his colleagues yesterday, and in the
discussion that followed Louis Barthou
announced France was not satisfied and
that he intended to disclose her counter
proposals next week.
Sir John's Proposal
The British suggestions may be
summed up as follows:
First?The Reparation Commission
shall be reorganized, an American
member included, and transferred to
Berlin for closer supervisory co-op?
eration with the German government.
Second?The Allies who are sched?
uled to receive payments from Ger?
many under the treaty will accept, In
lieu of cash, German five-year treas?
ury bonds, and in the event of pay?
ments from Germany in the form of
goods the recipient nation is called
upon to guarantee the German bonds
with bonus of equal face value, which
Germany is entitled to negotiate.
Third-?The Allies will fix an ex?
change value for the mark by an ar?
rangement under which the Reichsbank
will sell gold for paper marks at a
fixed price to be determined by a
mixed commission.
This last proposal, Sir John believes,
ie impracticable unless the Reichsbank
is relieved of the necessity of creating
new credits through the obligation to
discount paper money for government
expenditure.
The plan is to be operative for two
years, with an ??.tension for a like
period it deemed advisable by the
Allied commission.
The Bradbury program, it is con?
tended in some quarters, bears out the
French contention that it is designed
to "torpedo" the Brussels conference,
now mentioned for some date in No?
vember. The plan, according to Sir
John, "contemplates that final adjust?
ment of the debts between the Allies
should take the same place as this
(German) settlement, and recommends
that the Allied governments should
consider the possibility of immediate
arrangements to meet the difficulties
which will arise in the interval between
the present time and this general set?
tlement."
Allied Spilt Deplored
Th? Franco-British split of such a
sharp character on the question of
reparations is greatly deplored here,
especially in view of the imminence of
the Brussels conference, which was ex?
pected to settle the question of inter
Allied debts. It was openly voiced in
some quarters of Paris to-day that the
British were maneuvering to kill the
conference, not wishing to face the
majority of the nations of Europe, who
are the debtors of England. The
"Matin" makes the charge quite
frankly to-day under the heading "How
the British government is planning to
avoid the Brussels conference."
As for the Bradbury proposals, The
Tribune is able to present the French
official viewpoint, namely, that they
would tend to grant Germany a virtual
moratorium for five .years, pending
which time France would ba com?
pelled to negotiate questionable Ger?
man paper at a discount if she wants
cash, which she desperately needs, and
herself guarantee this paper.
The prospect of a settlement of the
inter-Allied debts or of the French
gaining relief through the medium of
international loans is seen as greatly
delayed, while the transfer of the Rep?
aration Commission to Berlin, to work
on terms of mutual confidence with
the German finance administration, is
regarded as highly impossible.
French Counter-Plan
The French counter-plan will state
the conviction of the French govern?
ment that Germany will never accept
Allied control ?f her finances volun?
tarily; that this must first be imposed
and sternly enforced.
Inquiry in official circles to-day
brought out that, failing British co?
operation in what the French deem to
be proper regulation and assuming that
the Brussels gathering is not held, the
government sees two alternatives?
either isolated French action to col?
lect from Germany by force or 'handing
the whole affair over to the League of
Nations.
The latter step is considered the
?more probable, as is indicated by the
cessation of the tendency to use rough
tactics toward Germany which hag been
evident at the Quai d'Orsay for the
last few months. The league idea was
seen in the licht of a possibility last
month, when Premier Poincare allowed
the French delegate at Geneva to bring
up the question of reparations.
11111 ' ' * .
"Little Hsu" Sets Up an
Independent Government
Makes Capital of Foochow,
Captured by His Ally on
Oct. 12
AMOY, China, tlet. U (By Th? Asso?
ciated Pressa?P?kin?'? central repub
lican government,'which has been try?
ing to unite all China under its son.
?01, had another menacing foe to?
day in the form of General Hsu Chun
?hen, known as "Little Hau," who had
installed himself as leader of nn lnde
pendent government in Feoehow, capi?
tal of Fnkien Province.
It is reported officially ?that Feeehow
wa? captured by the army of General
Hm Treng-ohl, an ally of ?Little
H,u,\?__? 9V_ntn? of October 18. There
was little flghtTa* Foreign?? oro
The resort? Bay that "Little Hau" i?
loading the new f ovarnmont and Hsu
Tsung-ohi ia commanding its troop?,
fn ifto "Little Hau" Was one of Ae
discredited en ttoareund of pre-JoBa
ne?? aotlvitle?. The Anfall?? tren
driven from power antfnto o?Uo to
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after two y.arji 0f eb,By_iiv% h,fl pU?'n
like a palftieal wraith te oen'.ent HI?
enemies at Peking.
Greek Refugee From Smyrna
Arrives Here as Stowaway
Parents and Brother Shot* Down hy Turks., Sister
Carried Off; Storekeeper, 27, Flees to Naples
and Boards Ship; Ellis Island to Hear Case
Driven from Smyrna. hiB native city,
by a band of Turks, who murdered his
father, mother and brother in his pres.
ence, Kvnstandinos Skatziris, a Greek,
sought refuge in Naples on the Italian
Liner Guglieimo Peirce, of the Peirce
Lin?, which arrived here yesterday.
The stowaway, who is twenty-seven
years old, was sent to Ellis Island,
where his case will be heard by the
immigration? officials. He said he had
relatives in this country, but did not
know their whereabouts.
Skatziris told one of the most hor?
rible stories that the immigration au?
thorities have ever heard. No one on
the ship knew of the man's misfortune
until Archer J. Covo, of 420 West
Twenty-third Street, an interpreter
who served with the Naval Intelligence
during the'war, unfolded the tale on
the vessel yesterday.
The young Greuk said he had been
the proprietor of a grocery in the
Greek quarter of Smyrna, and just a
month ago yesterday, three days after
the city started to burn, a band, led
by "The Wrestler," known among the
mountaineers as the most brutal Turk
in the countryside, appeared at night.
They were fully armed and brandish?
ing knives when they entered the store,
shrieking madly. His father, mother
and brother attempted to dissuade
them from looting the ?tore, but they
were struck down ruthlessly.
Sister Carried Off
"My sister was grabbed by a huge
fellow," Skatziris said, "and carried
out of the store and down the street,
the bandits laughing at me for attempt?
ing to stop them. She was struggling
fiercely, giving them no opportunity to
turn on me, although I was covered by
one of them with two revolvers. I
finally managed to escape, and during
the day got to the American Consulate,
where I found a party of sailors from
the American vessels in the harbor. I
could find no trace of my sister, but
later learned that she had been carried
into the mountains.
"Everything was confusion in the
a?
city, as the fire was spreading rapidly
Sailors had landed from all of th? Al?
lied vessels in the harbor and wer? aid?
ing in taking the refugees to the water
front. 'The Wrestler' and his band had
set fire to the American Consulate, 1
was told, soon after we left the vi?
cinity. Then I heard that my sister
had been rescued and had fled with
the hundreds of others seeking safety,
I saw ?cores of the refugees slain by
the Turks, although none was molest?
ed in tho presence of American sailors.
To them hundreds of Greeks owe their
lives. Many Greek3 who were not shot
down were pushed to .the quay and
into the water.
"I was on tiie clock, not knowing what
to do, when l was ordered aboard an
| Italian v'essol with about 2,000 others,
about all that she could possibly carry.
The vessel landed us at Brindisi, on
the east coast of Italy. I had a little
money with me, so 1 paid my way to
Naples. When I arrived there I had no
funds left. I watched my chance and
got on board the first ship I found tied
up. I do not know the name of the
ship yet. but it matters little, for I am
in America and only hope I shall be
able to remain."
Another Stowaway Found
The stowaway was discovered by Cap?
tain Guillermo Rastelli when he, with
other officers, was checking the steer?
age passengers. No one aboard could
speak Greek, ho he was placed in the
brig for the voyage.
At tho game time the commander
I found another stowaway, Franaisco
Collagi, who lived in Easton, Pa., for
eleven years. Several months ago he
took, his wife and three children to
his old home in Italy, and when his
money was getting low applied for a
passport to return*to this country. He
was informed that owing t? tho immi?
gration restrictions of the United
States he could not obtain one for
about six months. He then decided to
leave his family and hid aboard th?
Guglielmo Peirce.
He has first citizenship papers and
hopes the immigrant authorities will
permit him to land so he can return
to hi? work in a silk mill in Easton,
where he has a sister and brother-in
law.
Mudania Truce
Takes Effect; No
Clash Expected
Allie? Prepared to Occupy
Thrace and Reports In?
dicate Evacuation Will |
Proceed Without Trouble
CONSTANTINOPLE, Oct. 14 (By The
Associated Press).?At midnight to?
night the agreements reached by the
Mudania conference will go into effect.
The last three days have been spent in
preparation for the Allied occupation
of East Thrace, and all reports received
here indicate that the evacuation will
proceed in a fairly orderly manner.
The Allied inspection missions, three
of which were sent throughout Thrace
a week ago, have completed their in?
vestigations. Reports submitted by
them show there is no ground for
charges of widespread atrocities and
attacks on Turkish residents by the
Greek army. Several isolated cases
were found, but the reports state these
I obviously were the work of individuals
and were relatively unimportant.
Greek Morale Broken
More significant, however, is their
report that the Greek army is in a
state of dissolution throughout
Thrace, only a few of the .better units
remaining intact. The refusal of the
3d Army Corps to obey orders to evac?
uate, told of in dispatches from
Adrianople last night, is believed to
be due in part to the general slacken?
ing of the morale of the Greek troops,
which it will be the mission of the Al?
lied detachments to restore and con?
trol as part of the effort for orderly
evacuation.
A second plan for evacuation was
drawn up by the commander in chief
of the Greek army and communicated
to the Allied representatives at Ro
dosto. This plan gives the exact
movements of each military unit in
east Thrace and apparently insures
the last of the Greek troops being out
by October 29.
AllleB Divide Territory
Allied detachments will take up posi?
tions on Sunday and Monday as fol?
lows: Three British battalions at Ro
dbsto, Kashan and Uzun Keurri; three
French at Adrianople, Kirk Kilisse
and Lule Burgas and one Italian at
Tchorlu.
The situation in the Chanak
and Ismid neutral zonas, has been
tvanquilized by the withdrawal of
the Turks to the fixed armis?
tice line. Everything is expected to
proceed satisfactorily rfter the mest
ing to-morrow of the Turkish and Al?
lied military delegates at Guebze.
The formal acceptance by the Greeks
of the Mudania armistice agreement
was transmitted to all the rignatory
owers this afternoon by George
imopoulos, the Greek High Commis?
sioner in Constantinople.
ADRIANOPLE, Thrace, Oct. 14 (By
The Associated Press).?-Evacuation of
the Greek troops from Eastern Thrace,
under the terms of the armistice signed
by the Allied Powers and the Turkish
Nationalists at Mudania, was due to
begin to-day in accordance with a for?
mal order issued by the Greek military
headquarters here.
The Greek officers are making an ef?
fort to maintain discipline among their
troops, so as to carry out the evacua?
tion without disturbing incidents.
Greek? Less Militant
The sentiment in favor of resistance
has been largely modified by the an?
nouncement of the pending arrival of
6,000 Allied troops, as the Greeks obvi?
ously are unwilling to oppoae the
Allies, although they might have made
a determine?! stand against Turkish
aoldiors.
The Greek and Turkish populations
each blame the other for the numerous
intttaneea roported of the rifling ?f
freight trains and robbery of refuge??.
PARIS. Oct. l?T(?y The Associated
ProBs).?*It now seems probable that
the Near Eastern nene? conference will
be held in Switzerland, in either
Geneva or Lausanne, about November
IS. The Turks, of course, desire to
have th? conference held in Turkey.
while th? Italians wish to hold it in
Italy, hut Great Britain ha? refused to
approve the ?election of any placo in
Turksy, while Qreaee objects to either
Turkey er Italy.
England Pays $915,000
On Silver Debt Interest
Account Is for $122,000,000 in
Bullion and Is Apart From
War Loans
WASHINGTON, Oct. 14.?Payment
of $915,000 by Great Britain as interest
on the debt incurred for the purchase
of silver from this country during the
war was reported to the Treasury to?
day by the Federal Reserve Bank of
New York.
The British debt for silver pur?
chased under the Pittman act amounted
to $122,000,000, and under the arrange?
ment made for its liquidation $61,
000,000 of principal has already been
paid. The payment, to-day represented
interest on 60 per cent of the re?
maining $61,000,000 of principal out?
standing, the other 40 per cent of the
interest, amounting to $610,000, falls
due on November 15.
Arrangements for the liquidation of
the British obligations on account of
silver were made without relation to
the $4,500,000,000 war loan upon which
the first .interest payment, amounting
to $50,000,000, is to be made Monday.
Move to Withdraw
U. S. Rhine Troops
Rumored in Capital
Conference of Ministers in
Berlin This Week May
Bring Up Question of Re?
calling Men iu Germany
WASHINGTON, Oct. 14 (By The As?
sociated Press).?There were intima?
tions to-day in government circles that
a project for complete withdrawal of
American troops from the Rhine was
again under consideration, but that no
decision was expected for several days.
No authorized statement as to the
reasons prompting renewed discussion
of the subject at this time was avail?
able, nor would any responsible official
forecast what course would be adopted.
In this connection it was recalled
that Ambassador Houghton at Berlin
had asked American ministers to the
various Central European powers to
meet in conference in Berlin next week
and had invited Major General Allen,
commanding the American forces in
Germany, to be present. The an?
nounced purpose of the conference is
to permit William R. Castle jr., chief
of the western European division of
the State Department, to get in touch
with the ministers and jointly discuss
questions of American relations, but
it appears possible that the question
of withdrawal from the Rhine may also
be considered.
The United States now has about
1,000 officers and men in the pecupied
area. The Washington government
planned to withdraw the entire force
several months ago, but deferred or?
ders to the small detachment still re?
maining there on representations from
Germany and from some Allied quar?
ters that retention of some units was
desirable for the effect on the then
pending difficulties between Germany
and the Allies. It was said here at the
time, however, that the order bringing
the troops home merely was deferred
temporarily.
Farm Senators to Push
New Rural Credit Bill
Measure to Include - Best Fea?
tures of Previous Attempts
at Loan Legislation
From The Tribune'* Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON, Oct. 1 ?.-.Loaders of
I he farm bloc in the Senate to-day said
legislation would be enacted the com?
ing winter for a comprehensive new
system of rural credit, based on the
products of agriculture.
Senator McNary, ona of the agricul?
tural leaders, said a bill would be
rcssed which was formed out of the
est features of the Lenroot bill, the
Capper bill, the Norbeck bill and the
Simmons bill. It will follow most
closely the lines of the Lenroot bill. It
will provide for long-term credits based
on livestock, grain and other products
of the farm, and is nearly prepared.
One of the difficult cuestiona is how
large to make the revolving fund. Fifty
million dollars is suggested. In the
Lenroot bill it is ?12,000,0t)0, but farm?
ers object that this is too ]Qvr.
I
Dal? Publishes
Seized Letters
Of De Valera
Difficulty in Keeping Con?
cord Between Army and
Par?ty Told in Correspond
enceCapturedbyFreeState
Strife Menaces Dublin
Week-End of Ambushes and
Reprisals Feared as Am?
nesty Time Limit Ends
DUBLIN, Oct. 14 (By The Asso?
ciated Press).?The Dail Eireann Is?
sued an official White Paper tonight
containing the captured correspond?
ence of Eamon de Valera, former
president of the Dail Eireann, and
others.
The letters disclose that on Septem?
ber 6, three days before the meeting
of the Irish Parliament, de Valera
wrote Liam Lynch, commander in
chief of the republican forces, "ap?
proving the suggestions that the army
should proclaim. Parliament as an
illegal assembly." This, de Valera
said, "would be more positive and much
better than the mere absence of the
republican members. If we are to be
consistent at all, this is the attitude
we should adopt."
The next day de Valera wrote, say?
ing that he had changed bis mind and
urged the republicans to absent them?
selves on the ground that the second
Dail Eireann had not been dissolved
and that the assembly summoned was
only a provisional Parliament. Their
presence, he said, would only help to
solidify all the other groups against
them, and they would be the butt for
every attack. It would retard and not
promote peace, he said.
The army was not ?strong enough to
proclaim Parliament, the letter stated.
As regards a delegation for America,
the former Dail president agreed with
Austin Stack, the former Dail min?
ister, that only certain societies in
America were likely to be approach?
able or of any value at the moment.
Sees Split With Army
On September 12 De Valera wrote
that if it was the policy of the party
to leave all to the army the obvious:
thing for the party member? to do was 1
to resign their positions as public rep- ?
resentatives. The next day in a letter |
he is quoted as writing:
"I am afraid the task of riding two i
such horses as the party and the army ?
will be too much for any executive."
On September 14 the correspondence |
discloses that De Valera urged that a
i statement should be prepared ??yin.
that the new Dail Eireann wag not a
legHimaiVi ??accessor oi the old Eireanii
Th? statement was to call upo? the
trustees to hand over to the trusteeg ?f
th? Parliament of southern Ireland the
money that was subscribed to main?
tain the Irish republic. The contention
i of the Dail's former president tg
quoted thus:
"Th? funds are the property of th*
second Dail Eireann, which has not. yet
been constitutionally dissolved. J. J.
O'Kel?y should get Mr. Finnerty to
stop the others from getting the fund?
from the United States."
Week-Ead Fighting Fear?*!
Special Coble to The Tr1*-^?
Copyright. 1422, Hew York Tribune ino.
DUBLIN, Get. 14.?Increasing din
orders throughout the city twenty-four.
hours 'before, the government'? am?
nesty offer expires are taken to indi?
cate a week-end of ambushes and re?
prisals.
There was much firing during th**
night and telegraph wires in the city
and suburbs were cut in many places?.
Four Free State soldiers? were injured
when a bomb which was found near
Dublin Castl?. thought to be harmless,
exploded while it wag being examined
at the Vicar Street army post. Ser?
geant Brown and a soldier named
Byrne of the government forces wera
injured seriously in an ambush in
North Kerry. They were in an auto?
mobile carrying General Murphy whic'i
was attacked from the roadside. The
assailants escaped.
The saloon of Philip Shanahan, for?
mer Dail Deputy from Dubiin, wa3
raided early to-day. One of the bar?
tenders was wounded seriously wne??
a soldier fired a shot which is beliered
to have been accidental.
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