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THE SUN, SUNDAY, APRIL 28, 1912.
MINISTERS FEEL THE HIGHER COST OF LIVING I 1 If 1 t.t. it i is m I II 8 No General Advance in Their Salaries in Twenty Years Though Their Expenses Have' Increased AMONG the latent questions In enough salary when they are able to work connection r.ith the higher cost to ho able to save up something for a of II Imjarr thw 'rainy day. t,nglruy they are perfectly Have not clergymen suffered right, and lr every member of every more from thli csm-c than any other , Methodist church felt like that salaries das? i would soon go up." Speaking Krnrr.illy. have not their mil- T,,. Hev. Dr. Percy Stloknev (Imnt In nrh-s lemuln.-d ,ili..tu stationary In the Ian twenty .vf.irt. nhll the cost of II v- inc has stcmlllv Ho.it ell? Are Ion fial.il lis kilng r.ipnlile niing rnn out of the mlnlstiy ami crippling the tlS'fllltli'f'.l of i htlll'lv B? Tl. ..r l.... it...... m. r .......... f..,..l i i.. tho poml lhnUh..1f-i,..-l courage and -plrluwl po-.ver.lo not depend upon tho ascend' .!.t of lie. media-. al church hut upon nn iideqit.it' supply of t' varies of life. As a result of tho hIh-1 ... . . Mission It wan voted to appoint a commis sion to present tho need of larger salaries I for ministers before the church members' 1 belonging to the conference. Whether Ihn :imo steps will ho taken at. tho I5fi or mi other conference repre senting the Methodist churches in this count i y l not certain. Ono result oMhe notion taken at th" Troy conference Is that 111" public la liking a pood dual of interest in a comparison of th salaries paid to clergymen of all tho Protestant denominations now and twenty years ago .and In finding out what It the nvcr.ice Hilary paid to elergvmeti to-day In New , ork city und in suburban and ntral , districts. "To pet accurate data in these points is not cany, for th" reason that tryinc to triko nventfvs in th" imuul way leads ' nowhere; at. l"a-t these average would b? wido of lh" mai l.-," Kiid n layman, "There ! a llshini; club tip Canada way i Tith a stn.ill and exclusive membership, I inclutllnK two or three men worth u jood many iniMions each, and tin story once jot around that th" average of the wealth represented was on million dollars a man, in other words, that each member ' as worth a million, wheress several of 'ho ni2rnb"rs thought thr'mselvo lucky if they had a balance of i,nn to the good at any time. "Similarly." tin layman continued, "f imagine the only way to get a fair average on ministers' salaries would be to count out entirely the four or five big men in each denomination who get a I ery big salary-" Low Pay for Methodists. The Rev. Dr. Charles Eckman. one of the most prominent of the Methodist ministers In New York, who has h-ld his pulpit in St. Paul's Church fifteen years, when asked to speak for his denomination agreed that this might be a good plan to 1 iuiiu". 4iuiij.ii in ijh i',iee oi one or two of tho other denominations. "About the highest salary paid to a MethodNt clergyman is $5.(X), the mini mum about $"iOo, ulthough I sea by this report that there are ministers in rurul districts who get only $100. In those cases, however, they are probably supplies rather than regularly settled ministers. "About a year or two ago at a meeting of the western New York conference a rule went into elTect that tho lowest salary paid tu a minister should bo tiym, There are perhaps four ministers in th denomination who get the maximum ftalary mentioned and one or two more who get $l.(KXi a year "With few exceptions." sajd Dr. Kok trmn in inure- to a qu-Lflotl, "the best salarie are paid in New York, where the. average i about il.fi'm. In this city i,sno is considered pretty good You can sav 'hat there aro Methodi-t ministers in Man hattan who get Sl.oon n year "I see." again referring to his list,"thnt hero is one church which pays its min ister II.I'jo and two moro which pay :i,:tnj and tl.ino respectively. Hero and there in tho latl twenty years there has been a church which has put up its min ister . salaiy, but I believe that it is prettv nearly true that there has been no general mcrc-ib" in Methodist ministers' salaries in that tune "No. it is not easy to suggest n plan to remedy ihK It rests largely with congregations. For instance, in the Meth odist Church the process is something like this: At tho annual conferences there pa committee which estimates the salary e minister placed over a certain chirce can live comfortably on and ascertains if that congregation can pay this sum. The umotmt is named to the candidate and he busked if it isadoquatoforhis needs. or course, he is at liberty to reruno the i-luirge. but equally of course h seldom dtea refuse it. "Now, if any minister placed anywhere 1 "IaniKorry. Ohl I am so sorry, tell her, happens to be. a whooping success his boaeechher. I am perfectly willing to r congregatiou may decide to pay him spect the independence of such a woman, more. If he isn't u big success his salary I will henceforth recognize the rights of iay drop a little Often a New York her lovable intellect. Let her only como congregation not to blame for sending back into my life. I only ask her to for- ord to the conference through its dele- give mo, to come home. Tell her that I nmo umi 11 can 1 auora to pay so much this year a 4 last Tho simple fact is, and mis is 1110 crux 01 the situation to ray mind, that the personnel of city congrega-, .ions change remarkably from year to ear In downtown churches, for example. I And in some others too, tho people who give me most are tnose who ortonest decide to pick up and move to the coun- try The poorest usually stay in the city, no give me most, are tftoso who ortonest u... ,u l. 11 - , , , - put the bono and sinew or the church are ikely to make ror the suburbs. In such .1 case tho minister, if he stays on. is likely 10 nave 10 taue a less salary Instwid of , bunking of getting a raise. ' One point nunmteiH of our denoml nn. Hon are giving n good deal or attention to is the raNing of an endowment funil hich will be applied to tho aid or broken fow n ministers. Wo have J.1fi),000 toward i' now and we paid out in this conference last year .':o,ri toward this purpose, . v,Ak,lr,.l u-i ii..,.. H . ,1 , w uj un mg ntgner. BcioU(, of thfiir OWQ wor,h , m,ny u , - ,t , l)( e , A.krd iirth" virinR . 'doh g P01 WM l,mt of emotion in his t ?, , th, l0M ,of ,h """'"V" i0'"- In my Unw here oven, that is in the apparently to belong to each other, by the w",m"n ""I1 mVB UTXTl J"3"' You , "Pussy whiit. shall I do? Tills now M 0 ft C ' P H. voice, but as ho was a great actor in court J, t? H ?.rK" endowment und its lour or last flftwn years, the cost of living has ' striking similarity of their inte leet il I wii 1,I0W )ynat "? !"y " hpr' . . d,1,v th,,t h,,H 'Evolved upon me s.Mims to sVvy h s qu su Ins' a re onclliii InU il -"rguorite simply thought: ' vo Now York churches pay largo salarie-i Increaned. at lev.st oe-half and the city makeup. m"my thClr ta'""l ..p"'' uouIl '' K" her "'e 'ibsun and u.. h It really so. coming; dls'"1,!,! sRs, otX'rd I er m ,n- fe, ".'"flng'fun ofme.' to their pastors. Within the las. i o hZlrl ' ,Udf NO,,"inK h'r hr agitation. I'-WlVm'.o say to herl If the whole thing "tiZlWW" hereVs u$L?r& T'l,"" Im tte new conditions; nevertheless the M, do Havy asked anxiously: Is s. easv. why don't you write directly that man and that woman together ag i n i i sV er tm, Klovcnth Court for a litHe eoant !?,,M W.', l,urrt,'l. pastor or tho Marble Jthodlft fnurch. the Ne Vrk Con- "I suppose you will reruso to transmit i t0M?n 'i t 1 T. V"" 1 .BV"nl ,n .J'p,,r ? 11 1,0 for 'eirgool or wilf itnnlynTuw , Jg oi ug U t ig hi i, . g-i KirJ.-" . 41J Collegiate Church. th-. salaries have fereneo u, list, is not handicapped by a my message- you have lei rn. d too welln i'''"ilf ' .VN "at riKhl J",v!' 1 v'-,,lc,,1 ,or, 1 Ul,'in n,0.re relchedness? b o Is; i""," ly ' !m? Ald o''' Iacheller asked. 'eeM raised 25 per cent. Dr. Burr.-, gets urk of candidates for ,ho nlinVuy For dSdta4: ",0 1 1 Z & V$ XX 1 1 The same ' p ifu ' TyX , T rlnffi laugh"'" Bhe M J "ta"i "f fr;"" e 1 's annh JiT. T WBn,t thlnk," of ,h,lt'" W ' !l-.'V'rM'",,n- rllow7' "' I H " ll "in p'win i '! S,v, V, , , u Tu In -"ii o 'XTlHS tow.id the court how T" T, ani",B ""'7 tellows ipplwi an.l only nine coul.l be dreamily. , Incidents may occur again to-morrow, splitting hairs and torturing each o her. , y less I w- t n nit n in I i ' l! discussing the Savy case on their wnT ( "''Klato mlnisterH also got u 2,1 percent. ,iccePl?J O .-our,, we picked the nine "Shall I give up all hope?" imerf.'.'m ce l0Pl"r ",y mclUH V"" ,,mp,'V lnP,"1'"r- I e I ,1 ' e weak' nl h"jr1 y iM ' he dooror "heloker 1 t the same time. e.t. The others will doubtless be ao-' "Ohl no," answered the lawyer who - ) Z tv.,'. think l no. .inni- I ' ' ''"t"- Mvr, ' last ol that woman, who, Vtw y, ,, uixh me Vfil?' T' w of lawyers in their! 1 ev. A. II. Churchman, secretary i-epled l.v one of the other conferences, had regained her ir.con,ror and n ,r,,l,m ",V7' ih "" """H.-dhnl neurasthe , , '"t en TV1" i"K',1 ow"lof vork clossis or the Ilelorn.l Vo. U W no. ,-, question , money that whoso ?ce rcuppro!! her m n, le SMi "e Margu'erii pl ! coupIoZ Vn. K ?, ? "ml I uTflZ 'mI "'y I ijlressers. , -llIroll. Wll, ,era.n that there had been keeps young men out of the minlklrv r,.n ,.r i .'L- ....a . ' . on bin, After ,.u .vl,i u .,. ii.,.' I",,'"', ",ul 1 " 1,11 ,hl" 'lnie, de Savy. ... I a most n 2.1 iwr .iit. Iiw.r...i nil nlong j , rri.i hvhuiiiui iiuiuau uriiiuH 11 111 i.ie nvnrnnn. ; vniiin 11 ill wver lu it in i a mnr a 1 1, n .Aran I isi.a nan.ui tnn... n.1 tl... ii....i - ..... ..... - IA, exiled 11.,, i . , , ' " ,..;.. ,,,..,.7 tnm 1111111 um neiore Tot bee MK Uken1 fur hta "rct' I "Awl then the love which you ap,Mr tr.ey ,,cu. ,llat mmu-t.Ts i-hniiM be rld , touch her. I promise you to go and see ,.M, iavmen w no nmeet , i Mtl11i.11 ni.t i, 'vnr,.r, nt .,tnrt paid by the episcopal Church to its ourntm and rectors also made tho statement that tho question of salary had little or no bcitrihg on tho decrease of lato In tho number of student. In tho Theological Seminary 1 ",0 1 hurch of the Ascension, Mfth nvo- tl , ""J" ,"ml H1trwt- wh,f0,l ' rp' V m,t' ' " ' ' and ?"', "! T.W!B .. . ' . . " "r , m.i i 1,1- 1. ... a l .it . t T , " 7 i' ' , ,r ,no V . . "i ui ronn 01 quemioim irem-iucu liy nil . sorts and conditions of speaker. He 1b a man of broad experience He says that there are dozens of fine young fellows now going in for settlement work who loo years ago, if they followed their bent, would have entered the Church. Change in the Churches. "Why are they not in the Church now?" Dr. (Ir.mt repeated. "Tn my opinion lirgely because the whole religious world is in a ferment. "Religious doctrines are being put into the melting pot of n new challenge of nuthority Young men are erplexed how to adapt themselves and express themselves, Their feeiing in many in stances H for something more funda mental, more universal than is expressed by a multitude of creeds. They find all the churches too conventional, too de. voted to ancient forms, "triiiRs nro too short. Their leading "Many feel the need of a church free from the dead wood of oM ,vl..i ,,. . . ., ' I- , !"57' , iniirr". HER FIRST Continued from Seventh Vape. n modelling thumb which was not mine, That was all. Sho never went any rurther than deriving intellectual enjoy- 'nn,lt from the conversation of n man who never w.m in W r. n,M a Helentist lint tw ,,71 , 7 hr. miu l- 1 da" "Pussy. I have arrived. This means t.Hr.7 t hat hurt mo terribly. . she had almost Torgotten. fascinated success. Wo are going to be rich. To be Ana it was precisely when that grief was as she was bv this wonderful story ot rich," and the lawyer looked lit tho thread making run wretched that sho revolted pas-don. that ihis divorce caw was to lie bnro carnet. nt the bamboo furniture, at against me. "To reestablish minds 1 fought t a savage; for and its roots shoot One may only si manifestations shaken and its most are let loose. am very wretcnea. ir she should only corno back out of pity well, that would oe enough. Marguerite, greatly disturbed, averted her head. Sho hod never looked at love except through a veil of legal procedure, in the third court, the divorce court. The Kina or love she beheld now was a throb- kina or love she beheld now was a throb- blng. simpler living love, storming withal and torturing; it dazzled her and It stirred . ,,, - - 1 her liko a mysterious foroe. Gradually her thoughts went baok to 'the lonely wife; In spite of herself she re- united, in a mental Image, these two souls so remote thonah .rm.n. . ' 1 , 1 w r. - ii'j Lni, "Your position has become ci .eurT to Illn since jou have tken me into your con-1 fklence, "Both or you have been lacking in the good nalured philosophy which is (ho V,ir(l,i.ui,f r ui! .i i i . .. ,. , birthright of all simple hearts. oil did well to come, For one thing I esteem .. t t ji.i . - . tho harmony of our 1 ""'"J, activity or tho past weeks 01 meiiiocnty ami waiit which must have then rejoice over it. Oh. Pussy, you of my client's mind. ' Fifth Avenuo Baptist Church tho pas- with all the brute enercr ' I,w. hi mTr V T " ""V ' "7,! 'ri "',.. . u' 0 l. " tV. JST. .. y?rday I was with tor's salary was put up to $12.r0 and love is a complex thlntr h-r reputation would crow . mn h, se i ni f Vhe iVst Vo , "r in '.rS tuie hn ness " ' lei J V TO . VTTl' ! ,vr . l'haps three or four other Baptist min- very far into our being, very rums or their married life. her eves -the blue tapestries, the valuable Mil". Odelln remained silent a lone time: i I nleaded'for vour elleni u-i.A 1, ..!,.. Isters in the United States receive from nagatnstits most spirituul , . ."" V.""n7' Z'r', IMll-., sl"'. '"' not w,un;rk, the gilt ceiling and tho jus- then a sob roo to her throat; sho picked ing man, very symixitlietlo und so much 1 5'00(1 to ",000 a year. In this denoml and yet the whole of It Is R','!,.. V.-'l.VI.... '"I1 PI''ws !.?.?.! .r,?'..!'."'. "k' "!' !,lh,.s of K'T'i1 '"i";".1 wit,!', l,0,h ll"utl.H ' 1,,v wi' ''is wife. A woman in such ! nation from $l,r,fH) to $2,000 Is considered .,,,, . . v"",1"1' "iimi mm re-iiiiM io in 11 sue irt-tueiiu' iireiimeu in ner s eep. ""'i sissi-u n leverismv, w im 11 warnun , cases is very ens v intluencod by another ,, ,., .i ,i brutal manirestatlons paralre him in her nresem-e. A wave of And then she w.w the r-rm v.-iihui , nto which she not nil her eret lieini.u. wr.. i;.i.. 1X1. Vt e"ci" ''J'"1"1"01 a pretty gol salary. 1 1 . i - - . ...... . i r-r Tits 1 lu rxr'tJ T i- uimiu i Is of the Christian relirrlon. Perhans were men offered bucIi a medium through which they could express their religious ideas the consequent enlargement of their nature would bring a knowledge which would nuke it lOssible for them to live " '-" "-" iw muutv mini lucj- u now. i r lei me say rat ner would make them willing to Speaking of the sire of the salaries paid hi his denomination Dr. Grant made no niemiou oi me lacr. tnai me rector of St Thomas's Church receives $l5,ono a year and has a rectory thrown in, nor of the four or live other rectors who get liaimsoine saline, these tew C.WS ll.1V- jug little relation to the salaries recdve.1' "In philosophy, in poetry, in Industrial by city and country rectors. .leadership even, a large percentage of There is nn organized movement," he Mid io esiaiuisn a minimum iKiy ror rectors, hi most casesof course a parson- ago goes with tho salary. In the case of curates there is no rule 1 1 f m.'lV rW(t!jt i.. .. ," . t...-. : . ' oiiiiuicu ouiurn, nui in huh rr ,f'r."f r ,h."". "! M rm nr" uiii uuiKiinganiiai so the curate la getting BIG CASE-A her. I will see her to-morrow. This case must not " She ktoime.1 atii-. fn .,i,11. meant to say: "This case must not go to court" Of a sudden a verv nersons louri. ui n punuen a er personal " ul Muesiion lorccti nseu upon against tliis visitor His version of the iiiiiiir was line and goon: nevertheless Ills attitude to hi, wife had been abominable. She recalled two or three scenes of violence which her client had described to her very vividly she said, becoming once more chilly and a little bitter- DOIl t id 1110 CIVO VOU false hnruUI Mine, ile Sayy is highly Incensed against vou, not without good reasons, i must say, liven as Jealous a spirit us yours cannot i-.cusu your oreacnes 01 courtesy. 1 win sL,?,l?'i,"rlmil,njr. Licnt ?! y,our c"",'" nm 2 lo'roro than thal Yoli'aw kind und Indulgent; you aro 'so young. Tho fiiium holds much success and happi- esa in store 1 or you. no are two un- esa in store i or you. no are two !"!!n?. '0, Va nli yollr 'P,""' SS Jmr y nSfaef llrt'ySur b innuenco her. , ' ,i i-ii(.-inu-iii;nn. uni your IUU1CIS mend our sliattered liro. Oivo us back "urhome. I mid us back to each other." '.ipar , .lr" ,no y'")(5 woman "V n, .A'i ".. L ..rfl u . ,m 11 JW ' .ld.Y "'T nP7 client. 1 1111, riii iinraniriiii.il . .1 : "If I (nnttltif I vnn flu nuiviiWKt' M.M.t "l -nl,i .,..1 .,....,..1 1 :J. ' to Mine, d Saw I will acquit mvsolf jf mv mission fHitlifully. She must be , " ultiniate judge." ,,M' v"- nn; dejected, bowed himself out Mile, Ode in was to meet h in i three davs later at l.aehelier's nniee. vthfii sue I u t ii l ho sell alone ii jia in Marguerite sat down sl her desk. The lailhfill companion of her studies, her lamp, was burning softlv under its shade The arm chair in wnieii the visitor hud sat wan digging its thin legs into tho carpet, uie stnning point of lier career: that all tnenarrowiesit;atailttiopltirulRymptom ncss could ho my work, und that I would ' was my duty to get all thouaht of It out "u the coming of Dr. Aked to the auger rose from tho depths of her'soul solemn, noisy, swarmitur with lawyers, ness. 1 1 saw her enmniateiv -nri.,4 "Tho only way ministers RCV.HNRY A-cftlMaON . t.t. PASTOR or MANHATTA NT CONfGR CO ATI OH A LCHVRCH ! his tminlmr lanrntns. M irJ. tn speak, learning how to undertake the larger relations of life, I "Speaking generally 1 den't believe i al.iric have gone up at all in th" Episoo- ' pal Church in twenty years. No one will u sjiuie inai xney aro i.ir too small now even though Hie ministers themselves make no complaint "I lwlleve that our American civilisa tion is more indebted to the children , or ministers than to any other class. I think almost any history or 'Who's Who" , will bear me out In this statement p , , Pay of Presbyterians. i " V the men and women who have helped to mane tne worm a better nlace to live in have had a minister in their family some- where. Financial worries take the line I ATt irtiChlnn j-tllt svf ft mnn 1... t. - ' 1. " 71" . . ' " ."' " 1 mu oi ins lamuy, aim it wn lie leve ti irrote.a,ism. an.l Protestantism be-, j lieves in the family, for heaven's sake FRENCH I which had lost lt springy softness, 1 the kitchen came a hlzzllne- twiiitul From it was the water for her soft hoibsl e?u-s which h,VLl fl " ,lm Tanfi- Pf'ssy was smoothing her narrow chest with short, rhythmic strokes of her tongue. 1 .Marguerite remembered telling her ono where her name would have passed from nioutn to moutli on the dav or the trial, This would mean withdrawing agiin Into obscurity, becoming once moro the poor struggling beginner who dinned , legal formulas into the ears of high school girls for so much an hour. Mme, Itosilie, ' It, I,,..- r.11 n-MKiuir nn,l kn, , would day aOer day wash dishes for one nour ovory morning in tho sink of tho dingy kitchen. The only briefs over which she would ever bend her pale face would lie con nected with tho oases ot young delinquents turned ovor to her by the Ix?gal Aid So ciety, A listless Magistrate, knowing her plea in advance, would stop hor, as It had already happenod to hor, nrter her first word. Tho Bar Association would I cease to take her seriously, Lachclior would show himself sarcastic. Hair an hour passed und Mile. Odelln sat there motionless, her elbows on tho green desk cloth. When sho lifted her head ugaln her eyes were red: sho couldn't regain the smiling comnosure which lni. parted to her delicate features their usual life to me? I havo leeii retained to bring sun in conn, .mm I to iiecidn wiiellier this couple should or should not bo cp. orated? There would never Isiany divoroo cases then, Pussy, how you are looking it. me! Am I doing anything wrong? Well, It's the business that demands it Only I want so badly, so badly to try that case in com I Are my powers of judgment thwarted or is my desire Tor fame misleading nio through a iu-voi'leil casuist rv" "It would be so sad, just now, to be deprived or the glorious sunshine which ' In' us maintain the minister's families comparative comfort i A talk with Presbyterians does not 1 dicloe u roy outlook concerning a pos- ilile advancement of salaries. Here, as . in the liaptNt Congregational and Ile- iorm-i cliutches, there nre a few men whose Hiilarie es have given some persons the idea that preaching is a remark ably profitable profi-ssjon. Hut, as the Iiev. Dr. (leorpe Aletnnder rwilntetl out. after the ltev Dr Jowett's $1?,000 , salary and th" Nil.irles paid to the pastors of tho ltrick Church and tho Madison Square Church aro mentioned tho scale ,,f K.l!.irie4 lt, n 1,1- !.,, il the case of piutow of mi-slon churches , stinnorted III tlm U'enTtlll" Klftll fivonlm i churches end by tho wealthier Brooklyn ' ..imrrlwu il.r i,-w i,n r, in,.,, di late years in salaries , The lato Dr. John Hall. narnr nf itio TVr.l. t . u i . i vi i . . , -"enue i resuyienan v nurcn iwemy years ago. got a bigger salary than Dr .lowe.t "now Cl Dr! j William M. Taylor, pastor twenty years I li PSYCHOLOGICAL STUDY 1 has lit up my life for the past two months 1 to return to the obscure, llnnl poverty ot two ir.onthi turn talk to me with the lucid simplicity of your little animal mind. lusy. wl.at would you kiv to me' 11 you rou ui tnink and "It mav he that these two oeoole eonnllv , hichminded and who once were one should not be allowed to co their way Ppimaw;ati.,K them that .Mr hap , . f,it!il ul rnnArj it nm, l..i . !.. III. Three lavs later about n o'clock lei ii was ge dug ready to goto Id" Mm" uf.s.V.yisVuMUig0!!," iiirnitur'intho reception room. Mlio Od court at bamboo Some ono rang and tin lawyer heard a nil she laughed wliil e unu uiqiM-ieiiiioils uie o tying veil around her j " eM Ti,..iu ua . plain spring hat .Mile Odelln staniling at the door of the Ittle room "a gentKMimn to see you " ' Marguerite, who was in a hurrv. thought to herseir: "M de Suy, I nm not going to bother with you very long this morning " And ns she entered her otlieo she found herself face to fuco with I.achelier, clad in u long overcoat, holding his silk hat in his hand, a port folio under his arm, and evidenny on ins way to court g Vol!!' slllTireslloll. hua ii Lr till tlA IIi-hI slop lowaid a ici-oncillatlon and that tho happiest developments call Is. ex peeled. Did you actually play that trick on us':" "I did." said Marguerite. Will; perfect ease she was assuming I ho lull responsibility of her deed before "'s l,ii -i lianisiei-, who had always seemed i i cenndei her us veiy inex. I ' ' "ued'"' '"" "'" '1"l,'lil' wn"' has hap- h. thern is very 111 tin tn tell. I saw de Savy He was not at all the man's voice interrupted bv the profuse ,TnVir.,i . n,rX.,A: ti V '' V9 i'0"" 1110 l'asior oi a comparatively poor greetings of the chore woman. " I " " V" 1 ?..B'"ali o;,1cp.' ,.n'' i a city has to meet Is tho demands -He here iiL-uint He u i., intiatonit- . cneap lurnlture, the dingy flat nt Too i.i .,.' I Andusshehad regained the Vtiiot chr-1 9K .ft J?.- ,hc "Iai" Krn'?nts worn "'V " "Z. ' ,ue" ' r..i...... .i i.. ...,.i int. j oiiuk woman wnom via rtn.i net.Aw i .nuwwi y no is mere in nein. unu New York Clergymen Discuss Question Whether This Is Keeping Young Men Out of the Ministry ago of tho Hroadwajr Tiilxrnacle. got $17,600 n year and hod a carriage at his disposal. None of hln nucccssoni has Ixnm paid moro than $10,000, whltfh Is tho salary or the Ilov. Ur. Charles E. Jefferson, tho Incumbent and tho highest ssiurled pastor In tho Congregational Church. In giving Borne Idea of the salaries paid to Prosbytcrlan ministers In distant pas torates tho assistant of the secretary of tho Presbyterian Homo Mission Board said that a salary of $1,200 meant a city charge, the salaries paid to country ministers ranging from $000 to$900, with I of oourso a houso inoludod. Making a Little Do. "Yes " she admitted, "If there Is any I one class in tho world that can make one dollar do the work of ten It is tho class represented by the ministers' families living In out of tho way places. A story j camo to me the other day which gives some idea of how well some of them do manage. "A minister's wife was obliged to enter tain city visitors for nearly a week, one of whom was quite impressed with the fact that the daughter of the house ap peared overy morning in a epick and span freshly laundered shirt waist. The visitor wondered how it was that tho girl hud Buch a good stock of waists. Iicfore leaving she said something of tho kind to her hostess and-learned that her daugh ter had only ono shirt waist, which she laundered herself every night before going to bed. In another case, I heard of a girl who I saved tho day for her father bv taking ono i nf l,er wtiluta nml mullnn l!m ,tAa shirt. Tho minister had lxm invited to a function which he felt ho ought to at tend, and his wardrolie lacking a suitable shirt Ids clover daughter cut up one of her waists and put in tho right sort of a front to an old shirt," "There aro country churches in the Congregational body," admitted the Itov. nian I had Imagined. I understood bow his subtle nml roinnler mind ram. blued with a nss.ioiiato ,tcuicr.imcnt could have brought about tho tragedy. ,l,K,,r,,1U,!sPwr,:,t',i,nBs-,ill perfectly worthy or encli othor. I am just a llttlo bourgcoiso and still cling to '""," ins nonen view 01 morality. 1 1 n d vVircwon , ITZTr,? . ul .1 ...... I .1..., I l i . pieieiy at my mercy. M l'r cent I ii "'h'ngs havo leen happening quicker,'" the last decade or so is by cutting . 1 "-Mcied. l-rom what you tell in. I1 ,lm:ar'4 th;" "'," has written to her hua s R 0- Vw i iW ?. l?S.y.,1 2' fe' wnai. you tell me Ijichelier. standing in front of Mile, hA,,,, lu.r.u l i. . i i "r FtaallhS M wry lSir:1"' k'ga' "Xpu'H inake a queer lawyer." .wJlf ' Ji?5ause 1 nfv1 lerrately "lV "f? which would have r'"" ";- in urn nai kind of a woman would I havo been if I had placed my own personal Interest above the happiness, the morals, tho futuro of suoh a couple? "You need not explain." Laohelier said. "I am a little hurt at losing that case, but I can't help admirlnn vou." He refieated with emphasia: "I admire you deeply, my jn l,achelierr"inK l'r'her ,aWyer "kwl Mil,. i,W'hnt yU ftre ,n 7 Who that?" and the young barrister Mured at him with wide open eves. "Who has been sireadlng that rumor'" I hey ve been talking about it for tev- -ff'itea1":: J'oi tC'S "How ridiculous. I -ieKr.il i i After a llttlo while lie l ie' "Kindly notice thm i , . . ing it?" 1 ,ra not 'leny. i 4 Dr. Honry St imson, the oldest iiiser-.irc ,f tho Coiigrogatloiiil ministers of Sew York, who added tho Manhattan church to the denomination since coining 1 1 New York, "who nre without a past,,r, but this is true of the churches of other denominations also. The great need in all denominations is for big men to la tho big city churches. "Tho only way to meet this nenl it present seems to I in to entice n pn.r from potno other pulpit in another city or else to Import one. It may be true that the nblest young men are not eugvr perhaps to enter the ministry, even though they have n leaning in tliut direction, because of the colnpcriitively small salaries id oen to the liest preachers Never before wore there so many uvenum wherein capable men may make money as now and young men aro perfectly aware or il. Undoubtedly I hey nro tempted by tho prosioet. "With a few ckceptions, an lndiUdu.il church hero and there, there has been no advance in salaries, I think, In our de nomination in twenty. In forty years oven. V'or instance, about thirty yeats ago In tho State of Massachusetts n study of the churches resulted in a tabulated list of 250 pastors who were paid over $1,000 a year. Tho overage or salaries was put down at $1,800. Not, long ago a similar study resulted in giving a shrinkage of $500 on tho average of salaries." Tho ltev. Willard I Ottarson. nastor of Dethany Congregational, ga'vo theso figures: "Of tho n.ooo Congregational churches j in America," said ho, "only forty pay their , mlnlster-i over $4,000 n year. Moro than half of them pay $l,oo and under, 1,375 pay K00 and leu, only 2 1:1 pay from I $2,000 to $1,000. Nevertheless in tho last 1 twenty years in some sections there has been nn advance In salaries of about 10 I per csnt. "It Iris Imn said tint young tnon do not go into the ministry in such iurgi number now as they did twenty years ago. In tny opinion tho reason for this is not that tho ministry pays so little us becauso there is not the moral and spiritual attraction lit tho churches to draw earnest and strong men into thorn." Not a Matter of Money Only. The ltev. Robert Pierce, D. I)., pft. tor of the Second Avenuo Uaptist Church, who has under him soven patow sp?,,;. ng as many roroign languages and who has moro people in his church overy Sunday than any other church or his denomination in New York, is nn illus tration or the rnct that salary is not al ways tho prime consideration with min isters. There are Haptist inlnisW-s in Now York who get a larger snlar" than Dr. Piorce. but none doing a larger ,ork. "It makes me shi.-er." he declared, "every time I hear the criticism made tliat the moft powerful call to a minister al ways comes from the church that pay tho biggest salary. Now in my own case 1 left a big patorato in Pennsylvania representing a cultured class of eopl.) to take a less salary hero because 1 can do a biggor work here and I know se -eral bright young men who caro far morp for the chanco to servo than Tor th chance to make money." Dr. Piorce illustrates tho National Sunday School Lessons, which go all over tho world, und he was planning a trip abroad when tho call to tho New York church, which he says has no duplicate in the world, caused him to change his plan. "Besides an English speaking congre gation this church looks nrter seven 1 others which meet here at different hours ; and the young men's Bible classes rep- 1 resent twenty-six nationalities. The sight represented by a union service in the church of all tho congregations is wonderful, "No concerted movement, so far as I know." pursued Dr. Pierce, "has ever 1 been made to raise salaries in the Baptist , Church ? connection 1 Wlt" c"v churches, salaries have been ' advanced a little, but tuking tho country and city tocethor sauries have remained , h m for many years. havo met the bound in the cost of living i out all the tr linn Hits, so to sneak, siin- posing there were any to cut out If not, then they cut down in variety of food and of clothing. The most difficult he wants to help. He does help, with the result in dozen or coses that he gives what he actually needs for his own family. Ali the sumo he has his compensations, which count a lot higher than mere cash " Same Higher Salaries. A variation to the almott universal rule of no raise in salaries is offered by the Ileformed Church, including the Col legiato body. The latter, whicli conduct! its finances separately, although it is con tained in the Rorormedclassis, in the oldest the line in tho last decade. Said he "Averages are dlfticult things to urr nl in matters or this kind. The only safe way to go about it is to take chilieliei in groups, the verv prominent, tlios representing another scale ot niI.iii"-. those representing a still lower scale and gel the average tor euch Th s ln Hot been done, " neports or the sulurles paid to minis 'rs n.i ! !! ' . "'!"'". !'. ' considered a gooil 'salary and that thf nr.. lar more $l.(ino tum'$u pati.r,i-V outside of tli Uvrgt oltieu 4r if