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Dougherty Says Whitman 11ns
Secured Information Through
His )pinrtmcnt.
Schepps Found on Story of 31 en
, He Had Taken, the Com
missioner Says.
The chronicle of the Rosenthal case,
showing how Urn pollen have cither
blundered or deliberately lot oppor
tunities slip from them, which was
published In yesterday's St'N, moved
JVl!co Commissioner Rhlnelandcr Waldo
nnd Deputy Commissioner George S.
Dougherty yesterday to present a do
fence. Commissioner Waldo when asked to
'wrplaln the apparent police Inactivity
referred tho. matter to Commissioner
"Ask Dougherty about It." he saM.
It was understood that Commissioner
Dougherty In maklns his statement
was speaking with the authority of hts
chief. He was almost popping up and
down on his chnlr with rage as bo
denied that tho pollen have been tn
. active.
"I want to say," he sajii. pounding
'Mi desk. "Uiat nearly all tho Informa
tion District Attorney Whltmin has ob
talned has come through this depart
ment or through men arrested by us.
It wm 1 who got th Jlrst tfatemetits
from Llbby and Shapiro that Implicated
'.tack Itose and -gave us something i
iwork on."
I "Toil did not get the number of
'the automobile, did you'."' Commls
'sloner Dougherty was asked with refer
ence to the number which District
.Attorney Whitman obtained from
Gallagher, the only man who was
' locked up by the police the night of
(the murder.
"No. but X got It, didn't 1?" retorted
I Dougherty. "Anil 1 arrested Llbby
snd Shapiro as a result of whnt I
found out by tracing that number.
"Tho statement In The Sr.v that
'only three men. Dago Frank. Whitey
Lewis and Urldgle Webber, were ar
rested by mo Is all wrong. Hero are
the men whose; arrest has been caused
by mo without any aid from the Dis
trict Attorney."
The Commissioner had on his desk a
lift which he had been looking over.
He picked it up and continued:
"I caused the arest of Llbby and Sha
piro and obtained from them the ln
- formation that Jack Rose had hired
their car. I arrested Urldgle Webber
as the result of conflicting statements
made by Webber and Vallon when they
ailed at my offlce, which convinced
me that Webber was Implicated In the
"I arrested Jack Sullivan, and even
If he was .only charged at tlrst with
being a material witness It was I who
tangled him up In the case, so that
his arrest was merely a. matter of time.
"I had Frank Clroflcl (Dago Frank)
nrrested. One of my men, acting under
my orders, arrested Whttey Lcwls
(Frank Muller) In the Catskllls. and
Sam I'aul was arrested at my orders.
"Does that sound as If the police
have been Inactive or laying down on
the Job? f guess not."
"Hose and Vallon gave themselves
up," was the way Commissioner Dough
erty skipped over that Incident which
made the police an object of ridicule.
"That leaves only Lieut. Charles
Ttecker and Sam Schepps." continued
Dougherty. "Sam Sclwpps was arrested
on Information given by men we ar
rested." The Information came, according to
District Attorney Whitman, from Val
lon, one of the men who surrendered
at Police Headquarters.
"Lieut. Hocker was arrested after
having been Indicted by the Grand
Jury." said Dougherty, "following state
ments made to them by men whom we
had arrested.
"We have been on the Job every
minute, nnd when this case Is closed
you will find that the work of the Po
lice Department has been very credit
able." It is understood that Commissioner
Waldo ngrees with Dougherty's state
ment that most of tho Information
furnished the Dt-drlct Attorney has
come through the police or through
men nrrested by them. Tho facts,
however, do not bear out all of Com
missioner Dougherty's claims.
Tho police got the number of the
Btltomoblla several different ways, all
of which were wrong. It was not until
District Attorney Whitman got th"
right number from Gallagher, who had
been locked up, that Dougherty was
able to arrest Llbby and Shapiro. Those
arrests then were made on evidence
given by the District Attorney.
After he had obtalnpd from Llbby
nnd Shapiro the Information thnt Jbck
riose had hired the car Dougherty
seemed to be up a stump. He searched
for -Hoso for some time without suc
cess, nfid all New York laughed when
nose walked smilingly Into I'ollce Head
quarters nnd surrendered.
Jack Sullivan was arrested as a
material witness nnd then let go. Ho
was a freo man at the time of the
Coroner's hearing, where- he was recog
nized by a witness as one of the men
ecen near Uosenthal at the time of the
Sullivan had Just blundered Into the
hearing out of curiosity and was much
surprised when he was Identified. Dis
trict Attorney Whitman ordered his
Sam Paul wos turned out by Coroner
. l-vinberg because tho police case against
him did not Justify his arrest.
Most of tho evidence which led to
the Indictment and arrest of Lieut,
liecker was In tho form of confessions
which had been obtained by Dlslrlet
Attorney Whitman from Rose, Webber
and Vallon, of whom only Webber had
been nrrested by the police. They were
unable to obtain anything from him.
Whn DMrict Attorney Whitman was!
told that tho polico claimed crodit. for
most or ttio iutonI aim lor KumuyuiK mm
with moht of the. evidence in tho murder
ase h merely Mnilod. .
"The records of the investigation
printed by Tin: St s this morning tell Die
etact Iru'lh a to how the arrest- were
made and the evidence obtained," he
wiid "Deputy CoinmNHioiier Dougherty
has been of Mme assistance to me Hut
the police as a whole liavn hamp'Ted my
work more than iIimv have a-siKted n
I Itwve the public lo con pel urn what
v.niild have luppened in llu cusp if I
hud not discovered lli.il III" ,olic- had put
In a cell the only in. in who liml correctly
th ntunber of the Libby ..Shapiro autoino
bll." tlH
32 H. P- Taurine and Roadster $00.
i-ont - a at (I
Stroke AflMHBBBB Hlldlng
Motor. 4UMBB1BK
run (mmfStMm Borh
rioauas V&TW Magneto,
Haitian lf tlm. All Motlnc PaMiEaelod
1700 IlWUtlWAY. Cor. Mth St., N. Y
IIIIOOK1.Y.V. N, Y.: l IJvlnirsion St.
Ni;YAHK. N. J.: l lialMjr Ml.
r.n't tlmnce. MentdMr. iwwlon.
Coiillniiril from First J'ayr.
tho directorate of three. These men wero
able, according to tho story that goes to
Mr. Whitman, to inaiKeuvre their Inspector
and captain pawns all over tho police
chesslioard. They worked with more
particular attention to detail, it appears,
than did the clumsier old tinio grafters
of the days before Ixow. Hut the profits
were apparently much greater.
As tho Investigation proceeds the Dis
trict Attorney becomes mow and morn
convinced that the estimate furnished by
.lack Rose-that at least $1,400,000 was col
lected in a part of Manhattan alone -was
only scratching the truth. It. is impos
sible for Hums or Whitman to make any
estimate as to tho yearly total of graft
collections. That the blackmail ran into
many millions, neither doubts for u mo-
Nor does either think that such men as
Lieut, Becker or various Inspectors who
havo been named by Hose, Webber, Vallon
and many g.imbler enjoyed the major
txirt of the graft These, men. it V now l
1 loved, were richly paid, so muen so that
they could deposit JtO.ono or S0,0(Ki a year,
in some cases more, but tho big money,
the lion's share, went, as tho information
now points, to t lie triumvirate of mali
ngers. Mr. Burns lelievcs that he will be able
to "get" these men. He does not expect
to complete his cast's in a hurry, but ho
thinks that eventually ho will have Mich
evidence to reveal as will give New York
a bigger sensatiou than anything wiuch
has yet come out of the Rosenthal rase.
Mr. Whitman, now fully in accord with
Burns, haw turned over to tho celebrated
master of strategy the full investigation
of tho graft. He has supplied Mr. Hums
with n copy of the thirty-eight page state
ment made by Jack itose. which contains
all that Itose knows about the methods
of collectors and for whom the collectors
worked. Rose names Decker, two in
sjiectors and a minor police official not in
uniform as tho little ring to whom Becker's
collections went . The minor police official
is tho samo man named by Burn yester
day to District Attorney Whitman.
The Burns investigation will not con
flict in any way, the District Attorney said
yesterday, with the inquiry to be con
TV'.in ,m,u,r , )? u 7"" -
I by the Curran committee of th,.
of Aldermen. In fact the in vest iga-
tion may ven bo helpful to the Whitman
Burns investigation
( (kill Resident Sore llnaenihnl
I'aa-ltlTe Is ar Therr.
..... . , ,
Catskiu,. N. .. Aug 12 - Tlie local po-
hco are sure they are closo on the trail of
Gyp the Blood, wanted in New 'Jork for
hi- imnwi ui .ti,-,.-,. r,,w..-,.,r.
are positive they have seen him recently,
and when shown photographs of the New
York man they (lid not weaken in their
The man the authorities here are looking
for is hidinir in the woods near bv. the local
Dolic think, hut has been forced to come
out at least twice since last Thursday to
buy food, inis afternoon lie entered
Smith's Five and Ten Cent Store mid
bought a package of crackers Two min
utes after ho had left the hand of Mr.
Smith fell on the circular sent out by the
New York Killec, which contained u -description
of tho fugitive
Mr. .Smith s glance wavered casually
over the circular. Then he gave u start
and telephoned feveri-hly to Police Head
quarters here. Some men were sent to
see him.
"See that picture of uyn the H ood.
said -ir. Minitn
ii.. ...... ... i.... . . .
en few minutes ago. He told his story
id the detectives went to work.
I., .,.!.,. nrnlltwl th.. town in hnlr
search for tho man the detectives found
a young man, Joseph Kckl, who had seen
the same man last Thursday and also to -
day. They found no other trace of him,
Brill said that last Thursday he was
drFvtoB hH camly wagon 'wh!.1,t
a man asked him for a lift. Eckl was
complaisant and on the drive toward
uairo, wnere wiry wero going, jie sirucn
up a conversation,
Tho stranger sud that he hid lived at
Cairo for two years. Kckl decided that
this was not true, us the stranger knew
nothing of places about which any one
who had lived at Cairo that long would
naturally learn first. The stranger had a
package under his arm which contained
tea and art of a loaf of bread.
Tho straneer left the candy waeon
noar Cairo, and Kckl did not see him
again until to-day. Just after hn had left
the five and ten cent store.
List Thursday the man thotiRht to be
Gyp the Wood wore u blue suit, Ian
shoes and a straw hat. To-day ho wore
a light suit, tho same shoes and hal. Kckl
notice; that on the 'nd or his hat went
tho nit as L. A while in the swoufband
theletteisA.W. could be seen
II.' nil" 111 iit-ii- IU r'ii.,,t .,,,
I ALFRED BENJAMIN &CtfsTailoMnarleClotlie8 1
The Sale of Light-weight Suits
will continue until all are sold :
$12.50, $17, $20, $24 & $30
prices that represent a saving of
$5, $8, $10, $12 or $16 on each Suit.
Fall Styles
to mi pimo onnrnno Rosenthal's -iut.. m hp- sum. nim-
III Iflll fll MiHrrrN mMUxg I''" '' establishment. This
IU Jill Li UnlU UUIILI I Uiiiuido Knsintlitil sore and he. v,i. nut
long In letting it yell out of hlr.i, vhlch
Declares Thnt He Will Tell
Whitman All He Knows
of Kraft.
Rosenthal Suspect Arouses
Much Interest Among Hot
Springs Hotel Loungers.
Hot SrttlNG.i, Ark,, Aug. 12. "If f am
compelled to tell all that I know about
graft In the New York I'ollce Depart
ment thero will be 100 prominent men
to go to Jail," Mild Sam 8chepps to
night. "They have me In bad and
some things have been said by those
nlready under arrest that are not true.
"lialdy Itose Is talking entirely too
much, and furthermore, he Is not tell
ing the truth, but 1 am going to tell
what I know. It means the electric
chair, 1 guess. If I don't, and the New
York police will get mo If 1 do, and
If 1 go out after telling the District
Attorney the gang will likely take a
shot at me. so I am In a hell of n
fix, but I'm going to come clean with
my story. When District Attorney
Whitman's representative arrives I will
have a talk."
Conttnry to expectations, no repre
sentative from District Attorney Whit
man arrived to-day to take Schepps
back to New York.
Kurly this evening acting Mayor
Tom I'etilt. Alderman of the Third
ward, who Is officiating In the absence
of Mayor Waters, received a telegram
from District Attorney Whitman Mat
ing that Mr. Turbln and Mr. Stewart
would arrive In Hot Springs, coming
from him. and that Officer Thomas
would arrive later.
There has been talk here that the
New York prosecutor Is expecting to
have trouble getting requisition papers.
About this phase of the situation
Schepps said.
"They needn't go to all the bother
of getting requisition papers, for I'll
go back with them the moment they
arrive whether they have requisition
papers or not. I am anxious to seo
Whitman and when I tell my story
to him. which 1 will do when we are
alone and I can took him squarely In
the eyes, something Is going to drop."
The foregoing was the longest state
ment that Schepps has made to-day, re
fusing to see any newspaper men
Mayor Pettltt this evening gave Captain
of Police Oeorge Howell orders to have
Schepps In his room promptly by 10
o'clock and keep him there. The Mayor
fears that some of New York's gambler
gangs or gunmen may slip Into Hot
Springs and shoot Howell and Schepps
on the street.
Sunday night Schepps and two offi-
cers paraded the streets until midnight.
Thft , r wlw nPrvollB nd dM not
(Mrp , b , room nm, the otnCil)B
........ I.. .....t In Wta rnn.l rv ,il'n n nl11f
I Schepps has attracted hundreds of per-
i sons to tho Marquette Hotel.
i The lobby has been filled with a
(steady stream of curious callers all day,
' many of whom asked permission to go
to his room. Schepps, accompanied by
Howell, came Into the lobby of the hotel
lftf r , ,unch , ncarby restaurant.
MrH ,,,,, nskM, him lf no wmlId nb.
joc, ,f sh(1 KOt (enti ,mt nlm n!tl(t. nnJ
ctiargctl an niinussion ree
I'll do anything to accommodate the
ladles." replied Schepps. "When you
are ready let me know." and he ran up
to his room.
"1 realize that In Schepps wo hae one
of the most Important prisoners In the
Uosenthal murder case, and I do not
intend to take any chances while he Is
In our care. I'll be mighty glad when
the representatives from District At
torney Whitman's office In New York
arrives In order that we can get him
off our hands, nnd that Is why I have
ordered ('apt. Howell to have Schepps
In his room this evening by 10 o'clock,"
said Mayor I'ettltt to-night.
Among Schepps's visitors to-day wos
a well known gnmbler of New York.
Jle and Schepps were boys together,
snys he has not seen
llntM ,. mr., hlm 1.. Hot
Scliepps unt I he met mm III Hoi
I SpilllgS for the pilSt six years. It IS
known that this man left New York a
few days before Uosenthal was killed,
' Hi. claims to know nothing concerning
t!)ft Iir(.sont scandal in New York nnd
nP d,nllf'J '"" of conversation thnt
nnd he had In the Marquette
1 during the day.
"Schepps told me," he said, "the cause
1 01 ine ursi irouuie mat iei to n spin
between Uosenthal nnd Decker, and I
i,,.ii... it' tr,, d v,i ,,
i ,., ,,, " . m, ...A.i.tin.. -it.
". ' . " , ,
"atlon In New ork knows, formerly
I ran a club In Second avenue. New
i York, where 'guns,' gamblers, stront,
arm men and toughs generally held out.
rn police hounded him to death and
i . om .... . ,..i ..
, ' c. , ,. " ' " ' Z "V
'th Decker and the police lieutenant
'' Uosenthal became partners.
-itosentnai on me quiet, mina you,
took In n man with a bank roll as n
silent partner, This man shurcd In the
' winnings and If the house lost his roll
wrnt , milk() tl)(. i8H(,8 Kood, itu,iy
... .. . ",.
,5nf,t- wn" ,wns c.ol'rc,,i; for
, Decker, got wise to the fact that Uosen-
Are Ready
; lluil liml taken In a new man und had
not mentioned II lo ttetkei
mid he
llpiicil It off lo HccUer.
"Tlie result
was Unit tlerker raided '
lime i
led to Ills being summoned but re the
(ji and Jury, and when he nnnounced
his Intention of telling the. New York
Grand Jury nil ho knew nbout graft on
the part of the I'ollce Department. Ro
senthal was killed. Thero wn mother
Hebrew who was slated for the ranio
fate, but thlH fellow was wise and
hiked to 'Europe, where he still Is."
This man said that Schepps told him
that had ho not been arrested hero
he would have gone to San Francisco
and from there sailed for China, pro
vided, as ho stated In his letter to
lialdy Itose, no letter came from Rose
telling him what to do relative to a
conference with Mr. Whitman.
There was a persistent rumor to
night that Lefty Louie Is also In the
city nnd the police are searching' for
him. It was reported that he Is here
with a woman, and according to one
report was supposed to be quartered In
Cherry street.
Schepps Is worried again to-nlghl,
though ho Is making on effort to keep
up his courage nnd not to permit his
nervousness to show, it Is hinted that
he Is on the verge of a nervous break
down, though this does not seem the
case from his appearance.
District Attorney Whitman expects
that Schenns will reach here on Friday.
Yesterday Mr. Whitman sent Assistant
District Attorney ,1. Uobert llubln.
Detective Albert Thomas and Uobert
Stewnrt, a process server, lo Hot
Springs to fetch Schepps back. They
left at 4 I. M yesterday and ure not
likely to reach Hot Springs before
early Wednesday morning, lf they
make good rallioad connections and
start back promptly they should arrive
here by Friday night.
The District Attorney has requested
acting Mayor I'ettlt nnd Police Chief
Leonurd of Hot Springs to deliver
Schepps to none but those representa
tives of the District Attorney's office.
The I'ollce Department did not senil
any men lo the Arkansas resort.
Deputy Commissioner Dougherty saw
the District Attorney for a few minutes
ycrterduy and was told that tho District
Attorney, through hose efllorts Schepps
hnd been apprehended, would see lo it
that Schepps Is returned to this city.
Dougherty agreed that this was tho
best way of handling the situation.
As soon as the man arrested as an
accomplice In the murder of Uosutlial
arrives here he will be taken straight
to Mr. Whitman, whether Whitman is
In his office or In his home. The Dis
trict Attorney wants to be the tlrst
man to question Schepps.
He Intimated yesterday that he had
no special suspicions that any police
men would attempt to intimidate
Schepps or to get the man to color hla
story. Hut nevertheless the District
Attorney has been so thoroughly dis
gusted and displeased with the police
work In the Uosenthal case that he
prefers to deal with Schepps himself.
He does not want any slip up In t In
case, As The Sl-.v snld ye.sterdoy morning
it was through the District Attorney's
efforts thut Schepps was apprehended.
Last Friday before Mr. Whitman left
the city to go to Manchester. Vt., Harry
Vnllon In the Went Side court prison
told his lawyer, .lames M. Sullivan, that
Schepps, passing under the name of
Sam Franklin, was In one of four places
Hot Springs. Va.; Hot Springs, Ark.:
French Lick, Ind., or Memphis, Tenn.
Mr. Sullivan relayed the admission to
Assistant District Attorney Frank
Moss, who acquainted Mr. Whitman
with the news over the telephone.
The District Attorney, who had been
working with the post office Inspectors
In Brooklyn und Manhattan In nn effort
to 'race not only Schepps but Horowitz
and Husenzwelg. requested the Federal
authorities to let hlm or his office know
If letters for Snm Franklin had been
sent from the post offlce here to nny one
of the places mentioned by Vallon.
Mr. Whitman went on to Manchester,
but was Informed by the Federal au
thorities that Sam Franklin had been
receiving mall in Hot Springs, Ark. So
the District Attorney sent h telegram
to Postmaster .lohnson at Hot' Springs
asking him to look out for Sam Frank
lin and to detain the man until he could
communicate with the local police.
Postmaster Johnson, who happened
to be n deputy Knlted States Marshal,
took the request literally. Knowing
that the Federal authorities were Inter
ested, the postmaster detained Schepps
to such good effect that the Hot Springs
ponce very quickly Knew that Schepps
wns the man wanted In the Uosenthal
case. Word of the success of the
stratagem went to Mr. Whitman nt
Manchester, Vt.
It was then thot he sent word to the
Hot Springs authorities to 'hold Schepps
until his men got there. Mr. Whitman
did not know until Sunduy morning
that Schepps was under arrest. Satis
fled that the man would be held, he
waited until he returned to this city
early yesterday morning to make ar
rangements for bringing him back.
"I have not asked that Schepps be
extradited." said' the District Attorney
last night. "I am told that he Is will
ing to return voluntarily. He will bo
brought to me Immediately after he
gets here. I know that he can furnish
missing links In the case against Lieut.
neclter, nnd I believe he will be will
ing to supply me with nil the In
formation he has. Schepps Is an In
telligent man, I have been told, and
ho must realize the dangerous posi
tion he Is In.
"Itose," Webber and Vallon say that
Schepps knows ns much about the
murder as they tlo and they believe
that he will be- quite willing to make
a statement If he Is assured of pro
tection by the District Attorney's office.
I have no doubt that Schepps Is In
terror. One only needed to tnlk to
Hose. Webber and Vallon after their
confessions to understand thnt these
men felt they were In real danger of
Schepps's lawyer, Bernard Sandler,
called on tho District Attorney yester
day. Mr. Sandler snld: I
"I sent a telegram to Schepps ad- j
vising hlm to keep silent after I saw
In the papers that he had been giving
Interviews. From the answer I got I
don't think there will be any genuine
tnlk from Schepps until ho gets a
chance to tell the District Attorney
what he knows nbout the case.
"J have been trying to lonito Schepps
for two weeks to let him undcrstund
that If what I knew of the caso were
true It would be bent for him to re
turn to New York und tell all ho
knew to Judge Whitman, but we never
could find hlm until news came of his
ariest nt Hot Springs, I think h
nan be of service to the State, and I
know that if II were not for fear of
bodily harm he would have rurrrn
dertil long ago,
At 10:30 A. M. yesterday Mr, Sand
ler, from New Iondon, Conn., sent to
StlieppH In cite of Chief Leonard of
Hot .Spring!;, Mils telegram:
"Don't talk lo any person until you
remit New York and seo Whitman, with
whom f-atlsfnctory arrangements have
been made In your behalf."
At 2:10 V. M. Mr. Handler received
this reply:
"Telegram received. Shall obey In
structions. Waiting at Hot Springs for
W. man."
Mr. Sandler explained thnt "W. man"
meant "Whitman's man,"
Mr. Sandler said that one of the rea
sons li did not want Schepps to talk
to any one before seeing him was
that he knew Schepps was In poor
health and that In his present state
of nervousness and frnr ho might say
things that wero entirely unnecessary,
even for his own defence. "That," said
Mr. Sandler, "might be prejudicial to
the Interests of Innocent persons. The
lawyer was asked what he meant when
ho wired Schepps that satisfactory ar
rangements had been made with Whit
man. "The other day when I talked with
Mr. Whitman nbout Schepps." said Mr.
Sandler, "I told him Schepps would
tell nil he knew. The District Attor
ney said he would havo to seo Schepps;
thut much would depend upon ScheppB
himself. He added that If Schepps
gavo up the Information the District
Attorney had reason to believe he
possessed, ho thought my client could
be accorded the same terms as were
given to Jack Itose, Brldglo Webber
.and Harry Vallon."
The District Attorney's arrangements
with the three Informers Is a condi
tional one. If time proveH that they
have been telling the truth nnd have
furnished vnluahlo evidence, the Dis
trict Attorney will use his Influence In
their behalf. At the present, It may
be said, there Is no likelihood of their
being Indicted for murder. And that Is
the position Schepps will be in If he
makes confession.
Detectives watched the neighborhood
of Samuel Goldstein's cigar store and
billiard room at 133 Third avenue yes
terday looking for Harry hmltli. to
whom Sam Schepps In Hot Springs ad
dressed a letter meant for Jack Hose.
They were unable to get any trace of
Smith, who Is said to have received mall
for others Implicated In the murder.
Waldo and Doubrrl- Want
Know About he Calaklll Story.
Police Commissioner Waldo and Dep
uty Commissioner Dougherty are try
ing to find out what really did happen
during the search for Sam Schepps In
the Catskllls, which led Schepps to say
when ho was arrested that detectives
recognized hlm and gave hlm the tip to
travel west.
Commissioner Dougherty said yester
day that all the detectives who were in
that region are being examined und
thai a rigid Investigation will show
whether or not any detectives really let
Schepps'sllp through their fingers.
"I think that something of the kind
mny have happened." said Dougherty
yesterday, "but I am sure that If a mis
take was made nnd Schepps was' per
mitted to escape It wns an honest mis
take nnd not due to corruption. The
men I sent Into the Catskllls were
pickeil men, whose ability and honesty
have been proved."
The detectives whom Commissioner
Dougherty said were sent Into the Cats-
kills were Cray, McKeiinu, Hnrvey, who
arrested Whltey Iwls; Currao, who
made a record catching momb men:
Cnpone. Grlffth. Dondero, Gombardclla,
Castano, Ciratrtno and Tazckowskl.
Schepps's story of the Cutsklll Inci
dent ns he told It nt the time of his ar
rest was this:
"In Sullivan county I was asleep In a
gymnasium When five of the New York
detectives thnt I knew came In and
lifted the cover from me. One of them
asked me who 1 was nnd grinned. I
said my name was Smith and; I grinned
-right back. They went away after
kindly replacing the cover. Half an
hour later 1 wns on my way to Buf
falo." The gymnasium Is supposed to be tho
one owned by Dridgle Webber In Falls
burg. Schepps said he made his way
there after he left New York a day or
two nfter the shooting. Commissioner
Dougherty said that on July 20, four
days nfter Rosenthal was murdered, he
sent detectives Into the Catskllls on the
trail of Schepps and the other men
wanted for murder.
When ho got tho tip that Schepps
was In Fallsburg Commissioner Dough
erty said the detectives available to
send at once were men who did not
know Schepps except by description.
Dougherty thinks 11 Is possible Oiey
may have seen Schepps and passed him
by, but thnt If they did so It was an
honest mistake to be attributed to stu
Tlirre Men In XrnurU Suaprctrd of
UrlnnsliiB- to Letter Boi ftaiiR,
Three men who say rhey are Joseph
Luban, 33 years old, of 351 Forty-slxtH
street: Morris Luban, 30, of 902 Gates
avenue, and Samuel Friedman. 26, of S6
Second avenue, all of Brooklyn, are
locked up at Police Headquarters In
Newark on suspicion that they were
concerned In swindling the American
National Bank of thnt city ont of R3
nnd meant to get more money In a sim
ilar way.
Meyer Lcihnwitz. who has a delica
tessen store at 264 Springfield avenue,
told the police thnt two men entered his
store on August ft and asked him about
a place to start In business, m their
request Lelbowltz said he took the two
men to the American National IUnk
nnd Introduced them. The police say
one of them was Jacob Luban and the
other wns n man who gave his p&mc as
Samuel tireenberg.
According to the police. Greenberg
deposited a check for $116.25, made out
on n blank of the New York City Na
tional Dank, nnd said he would open
mi account ii fow daB later. After
ward, the police say, he withdrew $85
and the next day deposited a check for
$75 on a Pittsburg bank.
Il Is alleged thai something wrong
was discovered nbout tho checks, and
to-day when Freedman appeared at the
door of the bunk he seemed to think he
was watched and he rau away. He
and the Lubnn brothers were arrested
In n saloon.
The police say tho prisoners are.
members of a gnng that has been oper
ating with checks stolen from letter
boxes to which the Indorsements nre
forged by thegnng.
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M'N 4fr.
E. R. Buckner, Sugar Case At
torney, Will Be Counsel
for Investigators.
Republicans Oct Man Who Con
victed Daniel O'Reilly
and ' Biff 1 Ellison.
Kmorjr R. Buckner. an assistant tinder
District Attorney Whitman, was chosen
yesterday as counsel to the Aldermen's
investigating committee.
Tho selection was mado on the vote
of the six Republican members of tho
committee. The three Democratic mem
bers put forward other names, but these
were quickly voted down foe the reason
that It had been determined before the
meeting, which was held In the City Hall,
that Mr. Buckner would bo retained.
The report, was heard before the com
mittee met that Mr. Buckner was to be
the counsel to conduct the Aldermanlo
inquiry and it caused some surprise,
for itwasthe first time that Mr. Buckner's
name had been mentioned among the
score or more of lawyers talked of for the
After his selection Mr. Buckner gave
out the following statement:
The purpose nnd scope of the Alder
manic Investigation raut be understood
If Its pionilse Is to be realized.
The committee has been directed to
lnqulie Into th- efficiency and honesty
of the Police Department, "and generally
In respect of any and all matters which
will conduce to Its orderly and economi
cal administration."
Anv conception that th committee In
tend to become a prosecuting board or
a public Grand Jury shouM piomptly oe
lemoved. Any notion that the com
mittee will In any way duplicate oi
hinder the work of the District Attorney
Is wide of the mark. My expcilence with
the difficulties that must b overcome in
a successful prosecution will ensble me to
avoid giving to the committee any advice
that might lead to embarrassing ine Dis
trict Attorney In tha least degree. Any
criminal In New York city who hopes
for less effective prosecution because of
this public Investigation Is deluded anil
may ns well make his usual advance
arrangements for ball and counsel.
On tho other hand I have seen, only
loo often, the eliciting of the whole truth
prevented by the technicalities of the
criminal law and the narrowness of the
Issues In individual prosecutions. Such
a public. Investigation as the Board of
Aldermen has ordered can ue tliwaneu
by no such obstacles. Where the Dis
trict Attorney's hands are tied ours will
be free.
The function of the District Attorney
Is to prosecute Individuals for specific
crimes. The committees work Is far dif
ferent. To be of constructive social
value the committee must do more than
Investigate. Is Its house cleaning It
must not only let In the light, hut study
causes of the domestic filth and recom
mend such changes In the plumbing, ven
tilation and architecture of the house as
will prevent, so far as possible, a recur
rence of this humiliation.
The constructive side of the problem Is
big and difficult. Other investigations,
though wholesome In their effect through
exposure or scandals, nevertlieless nave
left almost untouched the problem of re
construction. Hence tho recurrence of
the plague. 1 am sure the committee
feels keenly the responsibility for the
constructive side of their work. AVe ex
pect to da vote to It a great deal or time
and quiet, unremitting labor. If the
question "What Is the matter with the
police 7' could be answered after a mouth
of study It would have been answered
and constructively solved two de-ades
ago. The work may take six months or u
Any expectation that the committee
can or will at once produce sensational
results will not be realized. An organi
zation must te perfected and careful
preparation begun by counsel. I hope
no witnesses will be called until the evi
dence prepared shall have a definite ratio
to the entire scope of the Investigation.
Until then It is obvious' thnt no publica
tion of the progress of the preparation
can well bn made. This must be under
stood to the end that the citizens may
cdnperate with constructive patience In
the earnest effort of this New York city
committee to put its own house In order.
Alderman H. H. Curran, the chairman
of tho committee, suggested the employ
ment of Mr. Buckner, and it is understood
that he did so on the advice of Mr. Whit
man. This action on tho part of Mr.
Curran went to substantiate the state
ments that Mr. Curran made last week
that the committee in its investigation
would do nothing that would tend to
embarrass Mr. Whitman and that tho
committee and the District Attorney's
office would work together.
Alderman Frank Dowiing, tlie Tam
many leader of the board, on behalf of
the uemocratlo members of the com
mittee, submitted a memorandum in
which ho suggested that the counsel
should be either William D. Guthrie,
M, Linn Bruce, Samuel Untermyer, James
. Osborne, F.tnar Chrystie, Joseph H.
Choate, William B. Ellison or ex-Doan
George W. Kirchwey jf the Columbia
law school.
After he had gone through the formality
of presenting these names, none of whom
he knew before the meeting would be
accepted, he moved thnt John Ptirroy
Mitcbel, President of the Board of Alder
men, should be retained. Mr. Mitchel
was the actual choice of the Tammany
committeeman, and it was on his name
that they finally stood.
Aldermen Shipley and Fiterbrook, two
Republicans, had candidates of their own
and nfter these had been voted down
Alderman Folks, the Republican leader
of the board, made the formal motion for
the selection of Mr. Buckner.
Mr. Buckner is a native of Iowa and
came to New York five years ago, Dur
ing tho first half of this five year period
he served as an assistant under United
States Attorneys Henrv L, Stimson and
Henrv A. Wise. He helped to nrennro
and act ively participated in tlie trial
of the sugar fraud cases, which resulted
in the return to the Federal Government
of about $2,000,000 in stolen duties. Ah
a result of the sugar trust investigation
the houso cleaning in the customs house
service was undertaken nnd Mr, Buckner
was placed in charge of many prosecu
tions against fraudulent importers and
f ;rafting officials. Ho got a conviction
n each case,
When Mr. Whitman became District.
Attorney he mado Mr. Buckner one of
his staff, and this position he has since
held. He had charge of the trials of the
disorderly housekeepers indicted hv the
Rockefeller Grand Jury and got convic
tions in all save one. He brought about
the conviction of Daniel O'Reilly for
receiving ine stolen goons in tun iiancroit
Wall street robbery or $,H5.tmn and ho
convicted the notorious Hiff Kllison of
manslaughter six years after the indict
ment had been found nml witnesses in
tlmiduted nnd driven away
Mr. Curran said yesterday lluil the
selection nf Mr. Iliickner hud the niniroval
of the citizens' committee, which has
Amomz others who Indorsed Mr. Hurt'.
tier wero Allan Robinson, Henrv Mnii,i,.
wltz, William loeb. Jr., I)istric(Attniv
Whitman, William J. Schieffelin und J noil,
ii. Hchirr.
Mavor Gavnor was not at l In. rii
Hall yesterday, so Dint his notion on the
$2.i,KH) appropriation mad'i by the Alder
men for the expenses of Uio cominitie,.
was necessarily deferri 1 until to-dar,
when, It was stated athiavffice, he nn',
bn in to wn . Th is a ppropriat Ion, I iovevei .
according to Mr. Curran, will not bv nnv
means meet tlie est una ted expenses of ih
He exnlnlnecl that it was the inteiiiinn
of the committee to make the investigation
one of the deepest probing and gie,ii(.t
rompreiiensivenesH ana uiat to currv nm
tho plans of the committee a large amount
of money would bo required, But, m
aaaea, all tlie money tnat tlie cointnifien
needed would bo obtained from tho piililin
subscriptions which the citizen body
intended to collect.
Mr. Curran said Uiat while Mr. BurWr
was n Republican he was not nctivelr
ldentlfied with any Republican organ!'
tion, and he repeated that there would
be nothing partisan aiout tun invent.
Curran said there had ln-pn
no discussion yet ns to tho fee which
would be paid to Mr. Buckner. Tlii-t win
be decided upon nt a further meetinj;
of the coinmlttco to be held on eithr
August 'ii or 23.
At that' meeting it will alo be arranged
when the inquiry shall begin. Th,
Mr. Curran explained, could not be before
tabor Day. because of the vast amount
of work with which Mr. Bucknr would
have to grapple in preparing for tin
opening of the investigation.
Whitman Looking Up Morn
About Lieutenant's Trans
actions With Banks.
Lieut. Becker has a safe deposit bnj in
the vault of nn uptown trust company.
Tho District Attorney learned yesterday
from official of this trust company thnt
Becker rented the box more than six
months ago and that ho frequently visited
The trust company officials were unable,
of course, to inform tlie District Attomv
as to what Becker stored in tho saf de.
posit vnult. They know merely that the
lieutenant was often in nnd oul of the
The District Attorney declined lat
night to reveal the niune of the tru-t
company. He said merely that It it ?n
uptown concern, although located south
of Harlem, He has himself no notion n
to whether Lieut. Becker used tlie private
repository for depositing cash, security
or very' confidential papers. Ho rnereh
conjectures that a lieutenant of police,
with n salary of $2,250 a year, mut have
had 6ome special reason for renting a sale
deposit box.
The discovery that the policeman ,v
cused by Rose, Webber nnd Vallon of
having collected $2,100,000 in les-i than a
year for tho benefit of n ring of polite
officials liad a safety deposit, box followed
Immediately after more information h.nl
lieen obtnined as to tho Becker bank ac
count. So far the District Attorney lias
positive information that Becker had mi
deposit before his arrest $D,rm in a Man
liattan savings bank.
Concerning the financial operations "f
one of the police insjiectors mentioned bv
Jack Rose and by other gamblem wl o
have brought information to tho uutlw i
ties, the District Attorney heard ycsfertl.iv
a particularly interesting tory. It was
to the effect that the inspector in quest lm
a man described by Rose as "getting "...
money with both hands," lias been d'.i!
ing extensively in real estate in the past
year and thst ho has already Sl'Cu.Mi'i
worth of property in The Bronx.
The same insnector is nlso mentioned
the proprietor of a fat hank account. Hi
gleanings in the Tenderloin nre figured
at upward of $70,000 in the past pielit
Tho District Attorney'.-! investigation
is narticularlv directed toward this in
spector nnd a feTlow inspector. They
are said to havo had n working agreement
by which raids wero earned on theatrically
in one district while gambling wns per
mitted extensively in another. Whiln
one inspector was supplying to tho Polici
Department statistics of arrests, the
other was collecting the money.
indictments against tnese men ana
nossiblv another insnector will be forth
coming, tho District Attorney behoves
before ino work or ine urana uury is com
pleted. That investigation will reach its climax,
so far ns the Grand Jury work is con
cerned, to-night very likely. It. was pre
dicted at the District Attorney's office
yesterday that the Grand Jury would
bo able to finish its work for the week
by returning indictments for murder in
the first degree against Harry Horowiu
(Hyp the tflood), uouis iioenszweiK
(Ifty liouie), Frank Muller (Whttey
Lewis), Frank Cirofici (Dago Frank), tliy
actual murdorers: Jack Sullivan and
Willium Shapiro. With the indictment of
these seven of the men held for murder,
including Lieut. Becker, will have been
f&rmally accused by tho Grand Jury.
The arrest of Schepps and the proba
bility that he willcontess and oiler hiinielf
as a witness for the State have lightened
the prospects for him. Mr. Whitman in
tended to have Schepps Indicted uiiletw
he surrendered or unless he proved tracta
ble after being arrested. If Schepp"
acts reasonably he will not be indicted
Otherwise his name will be added to tlie
Jaok Sullivan has admitted that lie saw
Lieut. Becker talking with Jock Roe
and Bridgio Wobber in front of the Mur
ray Hill Baths shortly after Rosenthal
was murdered. That Sullivan know
even more about the circumstances pre
ceding and succeeding the murder ine
District Attorney does not doubt. Rose,
Webber and Vallon assure Mr. Whitman
that Sullivan cun supply important in
formation. They havo been urging hnlli;
van to confess. But Sullivan has listened
to advico that he keep a still tongue,
The Grand Jury will have before it to
day Rose, Weblier and Vallon. Aiiiohk
other witnesses may lo Michael Frawley,
a taxicub chauffeur, who works for Ins
brother, Martin Fruwley, the owner id -i
cab stand at TM7 Sixth uvenuo. In Hroii
thal's accusations against Decker he men
tioned that he and Becker had qu.irn'lKa
ono night while riding in a tuxiwii'
Michael Fro winy will Is. asked if lie "
the driver of the taxicab.
There wnsiiHtorveoillgabolIt yesterday
that flvo police inspectors whose niiincj
have lieen mentioned to the District
Attorney have pooled a defence rninl
$30,000 nnd have asked a firm of lawyeti-.
tho head of which is a Republican poli
tician, to represent them, The, politUM"
and lawyer mentioned lias had no cniinee
tion whatever with criminals or gratters
and was asked to accept it retainer merely
because of tho confidence tho inspector
ure suid to feol in his shrewdness a
nb(V.iu'sel for Lieut. Charles liecker hied
briefs yesterday with Judge Muliiueeii
intheCourt of Genera I Sessions on motion'
to dismiss the indictment and to m-i"'''
the Grand Jurv minutes. I lie bn'"
were filed by I.lovd Sfryker. who I- a"
slstlng John F. Mo In tyre nnd .inlm "
Hurt in Becker's defence, MciiwriiWM
were aUi Kiilmiilled to District Mioim
Miitnmn -
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invest leaf Ion a thoroiich one.

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