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WASHINGTON
THE TRIAL OF THE PRESIDENT.
The Replication of the Im
peachment Managers.
Refusal of the Court to Grant the President
Thirty Days to Prepare His Defence.
The Trial to Proceed on Mon
day Next.
Washington, March 24,1S8S.
The Impeachment Trial.
The Impeachment entertainment was well attended
to-day; the audience was select and fashionable,
yet gay and festive in uppearance. There was a
?mailer show of beautiful faces than on yesterday;
staid and matronly looking females were at a dis
count, and the bright ribbons, Ac., were Interspersed
* "with a good deal of the sombre and
serious. No rush for seats occurred, though
every seat was occupied. The ticket business
was a tame atfalr, so t ame in fact that Senator Sher
man proposed to suspend it altogether and let the
plebian crowd come in without let or hindrance. An
audience of crowded faces?eemed to be desired and
the ticket arrangement, If persevered In, might have
the effect of leaving empty bcnches for the Grand
High Jury to4ook upon. Of course Sherman's propo
sition was laid over, because next Monday, when
the trial really commences, the interesting
female relatives of Congressional members will de
sire to be present and the common crowd of humanity,
especially of the Ethiopian shade, must be shut out.
The latter can select any other day after everything
'worth seeing and hearing is disposed of, and the
Senate will kindly allow ordinary mortals admission
without the necessity of tickets.
Cause of Jjul^e Hlnc^ Je^ln* to Be One of
t. the President** Counsel. ' ?v.-'V
' T am authorized to state that it is not true that
Judge Black advised the President to resign; nor is
vittrue that he ever expressed any doubts about the
-justice of the defence. He has, and has always had,
the fullest confidence that the "President would foe ac
quitted if he got a fair hearing and a decision ac
cording f6 the jfliicl tlie effects. Nor te it
true that Judge Black ever differed in opinion
from the other counsel of the President
'or had any controversy with them. The
despatch in a Baltimore newspaper of thl$ igornlng
Is, as Judge Black asserts, totally untrue in regard
to the Alta Veta case. The Dominicans never pre
tended to have any claim to that Island. The Ameri
can owners, he says, were there under a title clear,
unquestioned and undisputed. The outrage of
driving them off when their force happened to be
weak and there was no American vessel In those
waters to protect them was a naked wrong which the
perpetrators never tried to excuse by alleging a title
in themselves. But Mr. Seward set up a title for
them, and for several years, by one device and an
other, he prevented the truth from appearing in a
tangible shape. The delay caused the Dominicans to
suppose that the United States would never vindi
cate their honor or the rights of their citizens, and
recently, under the encouragement of Mr. Seward,
they began to sell the guano. Mr. Seward's defence
of them is one which they never would have set up
for themselves, and which they did not even adopt
when he made it. When the President, seeing tho
case, but acting under the Influence of Mr. Seward,
refused to do the justice which the owners had a
right to expect, Judge Black, finding his friends,
clients and partners determined to proceed and take
other measures to secure their rights and expose Mr.
Howard's conduct, told the President that he found
himself so situated that he could only relieve
himself from unendurable embarrassments by
ceasing to be one of his eounscl; and he claimed to
be released from his obligations as such, assuring the
President at the same time that he was much grieved
at not being able to serve him longer in that
capacity. I further understand that Messrs.
Thaddeus Stevens, Bingham, Butler, Logan,
tiarfletd, Blaine and other prominent republicans
having expressed very decided opinions
of the President's duty In regard to the Alta Vela
case, It seemed probable that Congress might take
some measures which would bring the interests of
Judge Black's clients and those of the President into
conHlst. To avoid such a contingency the Judge
asked to be relieved from further service as counscl
In the Impeachment case.
General Morgan* of Ohio, to be Ousted from
His Meat*
A report was in circulation to-day and telegraphed
abroad that the Committee on Elections had voted
to retain General Morgan, of theThirteent.il Ohio dis
trict, in his seat This was an error. The commit
tee, by a strict party vote?six republicans (Mr.
fihellabarger being absent) against two democrats?
Slave resolved to report in favor of giving the scat to
?Columbus Delano, tho contestant. They say he was
elected by eighty-two majority. It is not probable
?hat the report will be made until next week.
Confirmation* and Rejection* by the Srnnte.
- i The Senate, in Executive Session to-day, con
?firmed the following nominations:
f John R. Drabell, Assessor of Infernal Revenue,
feecond district of West Virginia; Lemuel D. Evans,
Eollector of Internal Revenue, Fourth district of
exas; Charles Robinson, of Vermont, Consul at
iQuebec.
( The Senate also confirmed about one hundred offi
cers of the Navy for promotion.
? The Senate rejected Augustus Bradley, Assessor of
(Internal Revenue for the Second district of Indiana;
i)avid M. Mills, Assessor of Internal Revenue for
Dakota, and James W. Snyder, Assessor of Twenty
fourth district of New York.
It Is understood that two treaties with Italy Itavc
recently been sent to the Senate.
| Itenrsm nidation of 1'nlted Circuit Court*.
The bill Introduced In the Senate yesterday ?>y Mr.
Cole to reorganize the Circuit Courts of the United
?States provides that hereafter each Circuit Court
shall consist of one Judge, who shall reside In the
circuit and be called a Circuit Jud^e, and who shall
t>e appointed In the '^aine manner, hold oftlce by the
?ante tenure, and recclve the name compensation ns
District Judge*. All ais authorizing the District
Court Judges or Bnprenie Court Justices to hold the
Circuit Court ar- repealed.
Kcorirnnlzntinn of the Ntate Department.
The bill to reorga&ize tlji Mate Depart incut and
to reduce the expenses thereof, introduced in the
Senate by Mr. Wilson, provides that the department
?hall consist of a sc. rotary, with a salary of f 8,000;
an assistant secretary, with a salary of tl?400; a chief
clerk, at |2,200: three heads of divisions, at $2,000
each; thirty clerks of various classes, and fourteen
other employfa, all of whose duties aro minutely pre
scribed. The Passport Clerk is required to admin
ister gratuitously oaths in proof of citizenship. The
fee for certified copies of passports and amnesty
oath? Is llxed at $3. The secret service fund Is altol
Ished In time of peace, ami during Its cont inuance
The President's approval shall not be a sufficient
Voucher for any money expended from the funds of
the department. It is also provided that It shall not
lie lawful for the Secretary of State to fill the office
of Chief Clerk or to rep1 ace the heads of divisions by
new appointments, but only by promotion.
Prevention of Fraud* in the Treasury Depart
ment.
The Secretary of the Treasury, in reply to a reso
Intion of the House as to the regulations for prevent
ing and discovering frauds In the priuttng and Issue
of postal and fractional currency, enclosed to that
b.xly the report of Mr. Clarke, the superintendent of
the printing division. The latter gives an account of
Hie mode of transacting the business, and says
that with the delivery of the currency to the
Treaaury of the t'nlted States the responsibility of
the division ceases, and the responsibility Is then as
turned by the tu u-wcT. rsrtet ilie uruci ir*i operu
tion of this system up to the present time there has
been manufactured $83,000,000 of fractional curren
cy, Involving the handling many times over
of twenty-seven millions of sheets, and pro
ducing $444,000,000 of notes, without the loss to the
government In that division of a single note of auy
denomination. General Spinner, iu his response,
says;?Frauds on and after the delivery of the cur
rency to the office, except by outright stealing, could
ouly be perpetrated by collusion with employes of
the printing division and the Treasurer's office. As
no frauds In this respect have been committed in
this office, none have been detected.
Tlie Laud Office?Titles Confirmed in Cali
fornia.
The Commissioner of the General Land Office has
received from the Surveyor General of California a
return of the survey of the following private land
claims founded on Mexican grants before the acqui
sition of California by the United States:?Rancho
Ornochumnes, confirmed to Catherine Shcldeu el al.
containing 18,661 86-100 acres, situated in Sacramento
county, on the Consumnes river and contiguous to the
rancho San Juan de los Moquelmnnes. Los Ojitos
rancho, contlrmed to Mariano Soberanes, containing
8,900 17.100 acres, situated in Monterey county, ad
joining the ranches Plogo, Milpitas and Pleyto. The
cases are returned with a view to the obtaining of
pateuts, and will be acted upon in the regular
course.
Important Decision of the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court of the United States nas de
livered an opinion affirming the decision of the Su
preme Court of Connecticut in the case of the Society
for Savings against Gabriel W. Corte, treasurer.
The society, on the 1st day of July, 1863, having in
vented of its deposits a half million of dollars In
the securities of the United States, deducted
that amount of Its deposits and duly paid
the treasurer the tax on the balance. The
treasurer insisted and demanded that the society
should account for and make payment of a tax on
the full amount of deposits, which the plaintiff In
error refused to do. Upon the case being submitted
the Superior Court held that the society was bound
to pay taxes on the full amount, and upon error this
judgment was affirmed by a majority of the Supreme
Court of Errors. It was not claimed on behalf
of the State that its government may rightfully tax
the securities of the federal government. The prin
cipal question in the case was whether the statute of
Connecticut as sought to be enforced by the Treasu
rer imposed a tax upon the securities.
ThC Supreme Court of the United States, Mr. Jus
tice Clifford delivering the opinion, held that this
was a society sim?^ 'or receiving deposits and
paying interest on the invested. That
a tax upon the deposits held by a pavings bank Is
not a tax on the securities in which they 1,0 In
vested, for the tax upon the deposits ac.?rnes
whether they are invested or not. Mr. Justice MilkV
dissented from the opinion for the reason that this
tax was only a tax on government securities in
another mode. 0
Canes In the Supreme Court.
The following cases were taken np iu the Supreme
Court to-day:?
No. 122?United States vs. Hart. Appeal frogj U'.?
Supreme Court of New Mexico. Argued. .
No. 121?United States vs. GilMKX. Appeal from
the Supreme Court of the SlttlC Territory. Argued. I
No. 115?The United States vs. Gillon et al. Appea
from the Court of Claims. Argued.
No. 1^5?(iordon et al. vs. United States. Argued.
No. 128?Smith et al. vs. Cockrell. Argued.
No. 129?Steamship James Battle vs. United States.
Argued.
Aimy Bulletin.
Special orders No. 66, just issued by command of
General Grant, directs that General L. C. Eaton, De
puty Quartermaster General, will proceed to St Louis,
Mo., and temporarily take charge of the duties of the
Chief Quartermaster,* Military Division of Missouri,
until the return of Brevet Major General J. L. Donald
son, or until some other officer is assigned as Chief
Quartermaster of that dli'lslon In place of General
Donaldson.
Brevet Brigadier General G. C. Card, by the same
order is directed, in addition to his present duties as
Depot Quartermaster at For Leavenworth, Kansas,
to take charge of the office or the Chief Quartermaster,
Department of the Missouri, and attend to its duties
during the absence of General Katon.
Naval Bulletin.
Captain John De Camp, of the United states Navy,
has been placed on the retired list.
The following midshipmen have resigned:?Wln
fleld <;wlnn, C. S. Richardson, Nelson A. Piuckney,
Frank L. Clark uud T. A. Kauilmann.
SPECIAL CORRESPONDENCE OF THE HERALD.
Speculations on the Issue of the Impeachment
Trial?The Radical War on Chief Justice
Chase?Radical Deviations in Support of Im
peachment?The Squabble for Tickets to the
National Exhibition.
Washington, March 9% 7868.
The absorbing interest felt in the great impeach
ment trial seems to increase. All the lefral works
tliat have the slightest bearing upon the method of
proceeding In cases of impeachment, and which
hitherto have been regarded as too dry anil dusty for
the perusal of any but professors of the abstruse
science of John Doe and Richard Hoc, are now
eagerly sought after and perseverlngly studied.
People who never could be brought to comprehend
the simple process of habeas corpus now talk
learnedly upon the nice points of law Involved in a
trial of impeachment. Book stores display large
placards Informing the public that they have on hand
full and accurate descriptions of the trials of Warren
Hastings, Judge Peck, Judge Chase, Ac. The
constitution of our country was never before so
assiduously studied and so diligently thumbed as It
is now to acquire a thorough knowledge of Its pro
visions, especially those parts of It which the terrible
articles of Impeachment charge Andrew Johnson
with having violated. This popular thirst for knowl
edge on the supreme law of the country, whichever
way the trial of President. Johnson may be decided,
cannot fall to have a beneficial effect upon the citi
zens of the United States. The nature and princi
ples of our government will be better understood,
and the judges who arc about to investigate the
charges against the President of the United States,
and who are expected to pronounce guilty or not
Utility, according to the belief that may exist In their
minds, after hearing the evidence on l>oth sides of
the question, and having the laws, pro and con., ar
gued by the best lawyers In the land, have great need to
look well to It that, In pronouncing their vordlct,
they are Influenced by nothing bu^ the law and the
evidence. They caunot fall to see that they must be
controlled by no other motives than the desire to
mete out the strictest Justice, for the country at lar.ru
Is searching out and digesting the law that governs
the case, will listen to the same testimony that Is
given in the Senate chamber, will read the same
legal documents, and will form its own opinion as to
the guilt or innoccnce of the distinguished prisoner
at the bar.
Rumor, of course, is still busy with the present
views and opinions of Senators, and a dozen times
n dav. perhaps, It is proved by some irarrnlons poll
ticlan, who assumes to have confidential relations
with different members of the Senate, and is, there
fore. well posted on the subject, that the President is
certain to be deposed; and the same authority Just us
frequently proves conclusively that such a result is
an utter impossibility.
Having listened to the arguments of the before
mentioned well Informed lndMdnals, and having
made us close and careful an Inquiry into the predi
lections of Senators as Is possible under the circum
stances, your correspondent Is convinced that not
only Is ft Impossible to foretell the finding of the
court or the disposition of all the Senators, but that
to attempt to define the position or to record the de
cision of each of the Senators Injfore the case Is tried
Is an act of Injustice towards a large proportion of
them. Certain of the democratic Senators mav be
sifely counted now as sure to vote siralnst convic
tion, and a large number of the radical Senators
may be as safelv Included among those who will
vote for It; but the greater number of the members
are far too deeply impressed with the solemnity of
the trial they are engaged in and its vnxt
importance in shnplnic the destiny of our
ountry to act lightly In any matter connected
with It, or to permit their Judgment to l>e biased by
party considerations. These men will certainly en
deavor to sift truth from error, will Judge of Andrew
Johnson's acts as charged in the articles of impeach
ment In a spirit <>f fairness, to discover whether they
were committed from a tlrm conviction on his part
that he was but discharging the duties imposed upon
him t>y the constitution, or whether they were the
efforts of an ambitious demagogue to thwart the
intentions of Congress In order to further his own
views and the interests of tin opposite party.
The reported views of Chief Justice Chase on the
impeachment trial are forming a very Interesting
topic here at this present time. The radicals believe
they have seen enough In his conduct since
ttic time hi? communication on tho character
(it a High Court of impeachment was r?'.?d in
the Senate to convince them that he is In
direct opposition to tliem; although none but
extreme radicals hnve this clearness of Vision,
other ? ii jard ;lw JKta vf the .iuuti c a? oa ?.
I those of a presiding Judge who desires that his ofll
I cial conduct shall bj such as will boar the keenest
scrutiny of au unprejudiced world. It is true, how
ever, tliat the radical leaders have coine to regard
him as another obstacle to th? execution of their
plans, und have already begun to devise means to
force hint into coincidence with their pre-arranged
schemes, or to sweep him aside along with all the
other obstructions to the attainment or the radical
millennium. Within the past week we have had evi
dence on two occasions of this hostility to Mr. Chase?
a resolution providing for the succession of the Chief
Justice In case the present incumbent should die or be
removed, and a new rule for the Impeachment
Court, requiring that the Chief Justice shall not he
addressed us Chief Justice, but as President of the
Seriate. In the first may be distinctly seen a menace
held over the head of Mr. Chase, and In the sccoud
au attempt to deprive the Impeachment Court as
much as possible of Its judicial character.
Those persons in Washington who have every fa
cility for ascertaining the truth of statements sent
from here to the various newspapers throughout the
country have expressed surprise at the desperate
falsiiication of many correspondents of radical jour
nals. The pertinacity with w hlch they urge upon
their readers what they assert to be the voice ??f pub
lic opinion here In favor of convicting the President,
and the statements that are made, wholly devoid of
truth, for the purpose of lutluenelng the public mind,
and perhap&of bolstering lip the courage of such re
publican Senators as are suspected of being weak In
the knees, have been so obvious in their (mentions
as to attract attention und to excite comment. Of
this character was the report put in circulation a
few days ago that Judge Klack, oue of the counsel
for the President, had openly stated It as his belief
tiiut no successful defence of the President could be
made, and lie was sure to he convicted. This, it Is
needless to say, Is utterly false. Mr. lllack lius never
expressed such an opinion.
Yesterday the squabble for tickets to the great na
tional show recommenced. Wonderful was the rush
after Senators and Representatives who were sup
posed to have aoffietent influence to procure a ticket
or two. it is confidently asserted by several persons
who profess to have witnessed the transactions,
that u number of the tickets lor admission to the gal
leries have changed hands through the influence
of respectuhle pecuniary considerations, though
such operations are kept strictly secret, because the
number of a sold ticket would be known and the
ticket would be tabooed at the door. Everybody,
as a matter of course, wants to witness the trial of
the President, and but a very small numl>er, com
parltlvely speaking, can l?e accommodated. With
the hest arrangements that can be made satisfaction
cannot be given to all, and those having
the matter la charge have but a thuufcless task
to perform. It seems, however, to be settled
for a fact that no great degree of genius has thus far
been displayed in arranging the printing and distri
bution of the tickets. Instead or the large, highly
illuminated cards they have adopted, displaying in
fancy letters the words, "Impeachment of the rresi
dent," a small white ticket coiitaiuiugouly the words
"Admit one to the gallery," printed in unpretending
letters, would be in much better taste. When any
person leaves the court room with the Intention of
not returning a check might be given him or iter at
the door, which could be given to a friend who might
wish to have an opportunity of witnessing th? trial.
Ity this arrangement a fie greater number could be
afforded the lively or melancholy satisfaction of be
holding the modus operandi of getting rid .of trouble
some Presidents, Vrlio will ptrsist ill impeding the
progress of tne radical car or reconstruction by
piling upon the track articles of Mie constitution.
The .llilitary Division of the Atlantic?(Jenernl
Hancock ?
' Washington, March 23, 1808.
The movements of the President are causing a
good deal of uneasiness J!?'.'"" !'ie ru,,l''-is: Thev
Imagine they see the same indications of approach
ing trouble that precede^ t!:o lite coup d'etat
ot tue President in removing Mr. Stan .on and ap
pointing^ ad interim. They observe a great many
consultations going on at the White House, and
greatly deplore the fact tha; among all the present
members of the Cabinet there Is not a Stanton. In
the presence of Hancock here, and in his long and
confidential Interviews with Mr. Johnson, they find
matter for deep concern and food for much consulta
tion. That Geueral nan cock has been otllclously In
terrupted In the performance of his good work at
New Orleans, and his authority so grievously snub
bed that he would be devoid of all self-respect If he
continued at that post; that he has earnestly begged
the President to relieve Mm; that the Pissldcnt has
finally consented and ordered him here to explain In
person the reasons that prevent him from remaining
in command, does not, in tl elr estimation, account
for Ills appearance here at this particular juncture of
atrairs. So also if, after talking the matter over
with General Hancock to be sure that the arrange
ment will be agreeable to h'm as well as to others,
and conducive to the general good, the President
should appoint General Hancock to the command of
the Military Division of the Atlantic, simply becduse
lie Is the only Major Gcneiul of the army who Is at
present without a post of duty, and who has suffi
cient rank in the army 10 render him eligible to the
command, the radicals won hi be certain to take
a arm and run off with the i<!ea that the country is
about to l>e treated to oae of "Obadlah Drant's
rattling revolutions." Th?se radical fears spring
from their liahlt of suspecting every action of Mr.
Johnson or of those not Imbued with the radical
faith to be necessarily revolutionary In Its nature
because it may not harmonize with tiieir plans. The
President entertains no idea of using military force
to oppose the will of the radical majority In Con
gress, and if he did General Hancock Is 110 more
likely to lend his assistance towards It than were
Generals Sherman and Thomas. Ilut, say they, the
President ha* an object In view In creating tills new
military division with Its headquarters In Washing
ton. Now, what is that object? The object seems
plain enough. All the departments in the country
are included in one or the other of the grand mili
tary divisions, and the number of commanding oitl
cers directly responsible to the Executive are there
by diminished, which greatly lacllltates the transac
tion of official business. The departments included
in tne di\ision of the Atlantic have hitherto had uo
intermediate commander between them and the
General-in-Chief, and the object of the order is to ap
point such a commander. T&e headquarters of the
division would naturally be located at Washington,
New Vork or Philadelphia, being the greatest centres
of population. Of these the advantages are all In fa
vor of Washington, on account of the facilities afford
ed for ofllciai communication.
A lit tie calm consideration will convince the most
obtus-> that all the bugbears that have so seriously
shaken the nerves of timorous radicals, such as the
copperheadlsm of Chief Justice Chase, the revolu
tionary plans of the Pwlfleil, the complicity in these
imagined plans of General Hancock and the dreaded
onslaught of Moshy and the Ku-Klux-Klan, have
their existence in the troubled dreams of conscicnce
smiiten radicals and not within the bounds of proba
bility.
THE FORTIETH CONGRESS.
Second Srmion.
SENATE
Washington, Marcli 21, isir.
The Chair laid before the Senate a memorial of
the South Carolina Constitutional Convention pray
Inst for donations of land for educational purposes*.
Referred to the Committee on Public Lands.
Mr. MoKfiAN, (rep.) of N. Y., from the Committee
on Finance, reported favorably the bill to aiiollsh the
office of Superintendent of Exports and Drawbacks.
Tin: PRESENTATION OK BIU-M TO TI1E PRESIDENT.
On motion of Mr. Ehmi'nds, (rep.) of Vt., the Senate
took up the bill to regulate the presentation of bills
to the President and the return of the same.
Mr. Davis, (dem.) of Ky., moved to strike out the
second section, providing that bills presented to the
President and not returned by him with his objec
tions within IM t. n day* spec!fled shall becoaae law,
and making It his duty to return the same to the
Secretary of State, who is to certify that it has be
come a law.
The amendment was lost.
In reply to a question by Mr. Rcckai.rw, (dem.) of
Pii., how the entry upon th?> Journal of the President's
return of a bill to the senate could be had as pro
vided by the constitution, if the Senate was not In
annul session, and therefore no Journal was kept,
Mr. Edw'NPs repealed the views heretofore ex
pressed by liitn, holding that Congress was in session,
its contemplated by the constitution, until it declared
itself adjourned.
Messrs. Johnson, (dem.) of Md., and Hendricks,
(dem.) of Ind., supported the bill as givlntr a clc.ir
definition to a doubtful provision or the const It iiliuii
as to what constitutes an adjournment.
The bill was passed?yeas 29, nays 10, Messrs. Da
vis, Doolittle, P.ayard, Dixon, McCreery, Morton,
Norton, Sauhtbury, Williams and liucKalew voting in
the negative.
THE I.TNCOI.M MONt'MENT.
Mr. Wilson, (rep.) of Mas* from the Commltteo
on Military Atralrs. reported favorably the Joint reso
lution to place at the disposal of the Lincoln Monu
ment Association certain captured ordnance.
The Impeachment Trial.
Mr. Craoin, (rep.) of N. II., from the committee to
audit contingent expenses of the Senate, reported
favorably the bill making appropriations for the
expenses of the trial of Impeachment of Andrew
fohuson and other contingent expenses for the year
ending June 30,1803. Referred to the Committee on
Appropriations.
Mr. Sherman, (rep.) of Ohio, ottered an order that
the order In regard to admission to the galleries be
suspended until further order, and %liat the
Serg-antat-Arms shall lake care that order shall
tie observed In the galleries during tho trial
or Impeachment, now pending; authorizing him
to arrest nnd bring before the Senate any person vio
lating order, to take care that no person enter the
diplomatic, ladles' and reporters' galleries but those
entitle 1 lo admission. Laid over.
?I i .it;, of'1' i u;v*1 1 .ml announced
that the House had adopted a replication to the
answer of the President of the United P'ates to the
articled of linpeachu. 'nt.
organization of th* court.
One o'clock having arrived the President pro tern.
vacated the chair for the Chief Justice, who entered
and took hla seat, ordering the proclamation, which
was made accordingly by the Sergcant-at-Arma. In
the meantime the counsel for the President, Meaars.
Stanbery. Curtis, E\arts, Nelson and Groesbeck, en
tered and took their seals. At five minutes past one
o'clock the Managers were announced and took their
seats, with the exception of Mr. Steveus, who was
absent. The House was announced Immediately,
and the members disposed themselves outside the
bar.
The minutes of the session of yesterday were then
read by the Secretary.
The Secretary read the announcement of the
adoption of the replication by tho llouse.
Mr. BouTWBLt, of tho Managers, then rose and
said:?"Mr. President, I am charged by the Managers
with the duty of presenting tlie replication offered by
the House of Representatives." He read the replica
tion sis follows:?
The House of Representatives of the United States
have considered the several answers of Andrew
Johnson, President of the United states, to the
several articles of Impeachment against him by
tuein exhibited in the name of themselves and of
all the people of the United States, and reserving to
themselves an advantage of exception to tno
lusuitlclency of this answer to each ana an
of the several articles of Impeachment ex
hibited against said Andrew Johnson, Presi
dent, of the United States, do deny each and every
averment in said several answers, or either or them,
which denies or traverses the acts, Intents, crimes
or misdemeanors charged against said Andrew
Johnson in said articles of Impeachment, or either or
thcin; and for replication to said answer, do say that
I tie said Andrew Johnson, President of the United
States, Is guilty of the high crimes and misdemean
ors mentioned In the said articles, and that tho
said House of Representatives are ready to provo
the same.
At the conclusion of the reading Senator Johnson
said?Mr. Chief Justice, 1 move that an authenticated
copy be presented to the counsel for the Presi
dent.
The motion was agreed to.
Tho Chief Justice?Last evening a motion was
pending on the part of the counsel Tor the President
that such a time should be allowed for their prepara
tion as the Senate should please to determine.
Thereupon the Senator from Maryland (Mr. Johnson)
presented an order, which will be read by tho Secre
tary.
The Secret a ry read the order providing that ten
days' time be allowed:?
Mr. Sumner, (rep.) of Mass.?Mr. President, I
seadtothe Chair an amendment to como immedi
ately after the word "ordered "being in the nature
of a substitute.
The Sechktarv read the amendment as follows:
That now that a replication has been tiled the
Senate, adhering to its rule already adopted, shall
proceed with the trial from day to day, Sundays
excepted, uutil otherwise ordered for re"Uou5?MO?rn.
?jr. Edmunds?I move that ?,c senats retire to
consider that or4er.
Senatojr Suisftn and others?No, no.
Tile yeas and nays were demanded and ordered,
resulting as follows:?
Ykas? Messrs. Anthony, Bayavd, BucXMew, Cor
bet t Davis, 1)1 xon, l)oolIttle, Kdmnnds, J-essenden,
Fowler, Krelinghuysen, Grime-, Henderson, Hen
dricks, Howe, Johnson, Mc.reery, Morn 1 of Mo.,
Morrill of Vt., Morton, Norton, 1 atterson of N..11.,
Patterson of Tenn.. Haulsbury, Sprague, V an Winkle,
Vickers, Wllley and Williams?
Nays?Messrs. Cameron, Cat tell, Chandler. Cole,
<?(inklinir Conncss, Cragin, Drake, ferry, liarlan,
HowW* Mm gan! Nye, 1'on.eroy Ramsey, Ross,
Sherman, Stewart, Sumner, lliayer, Tipton, Trum
bull and \Viison-23.
So the Senate retired for consultation at twenty
tlve minutes past one o'clock.
After the Senators had ret'red Mr. Stevens was dis
covered sitting to the left and rear of the President's
desk, having entered unnoticed dur'ug the proceed
ings.
in the meantime t c galleries, hitherto very quiet,
rtp.iled with fans and chit-chat, in the assurance
that the curtain was down, while on the lloor tho
seats saered to Senators were invaded by knots of
members and others in conversation.
TUB CONSULTATION.
When the Senate had retired for consultation Mr.
Johnson, (dcm.) of Md., modified the resolution he
had previously submitted In the chamber by provid
ing that the trial of the President shall commence on
Thursday, the 2d of April.
Mr. Williams, (rep.) of Oregon, moved that the
further consideration of the resident's applica
tion for time be postponed until the Managers have
opened their case and submitted their evidence. This
was disagreed to by yeas 9, nays 42, as follows:?
Yeas?Messrs. Anthony, Chandler, Dixon, Grimes,
Harlan, Howard, Morgan, Patterson of Tenn., and
^Nays?jStowrs- Bayard, Buckalew, Cameron, Cat
teil Cole Conkllng, Conncss, Cragin, Davis, Doollttle,
Drake. Kdinuuds. Ferry, Fesscndcn, Pow er, Pre
llmrhuvsen, Henderson, Hendricks, Howe, Johnson,
Mcn eerv, Morrill of Me.. Morrill of Vt., Morton,
Norton Vve, Pattrrson of N. II., l'omeroy, Ramsay,
itoss Salisbury, Sherman, Sprague, Stewart,
Sumner, Thayer, Tipton, Trumbull. Nan WUiklc,
viewers Willev and Wilson?12.
Messrs. Corbctt, Wade and Yates absent or not
voting.
Mr. Sumnrr had offered the following amendment,
which he subsequently withdrew:?
Now that replication has been filed, the Senate, ad
hering to Its rule already adopted, will proceed with
th?; trial from day to day, Sundays excepted, unless
otherwise ordered or reaxon shown.
Mr. Conk lino, (tap.) of N. Y., moved an amend
ment to Mr. Johnson's resolution by striking out
"Thursday, the 2d of April," and inserting "Monday,
the 30th of March," us the time when the trial shall
commence.
Mr. Conkling's amendment was agreed to by yeas
28, nays 24, as follows:?
Yias?Messrs. Cameron, Cattel, Chandler, Cole,
Conkllng, Conness, Crawln, Drake, Ferry, Ilnrlan,
Howard, Howe, Morgan, Morrill of Me., Morrill
of Vt., Morton, Nye, Patterson of N. H., Pome
roy, Hamsey, Rom, Stewart, Sutnner, Thayer, Tip
ton, Wllley," Williams and Wilson?28.
Nays?Mc*?r?. Antlionv. Bayard, IUickalew, Cor
bett, Davis, Dixon, Doolittle, Kdmunds, Fessenden,
Fowler, Frelinghuvsen, Crimes, Henderson, Hen
dricks, Johnson, McCreery, Norton, Patterson of
Tenn., Snulstmry. Sherman, Sprague, Trumbull, Van
W inkle and vickers?24.
Messrs. Wade ami Yates absent or not voting.
Other modification were made to the original
resolutions, when it was adopted in the following
form:?
Ordered, That the Senate commence the trial of
the President of the United States upon the articles
of impeachment exhibited against lilm on Monday,
the .wtii of March Instant, ami proceed thereon with
all convenient despatch, under the rules of the Sen
ate, elttinn for the trial of the impeachment.
At twenty-five minutes past three o'clock the Sen
ate reappeared, having been out exactly two honrs.
Order having been restored, the Chief Justice
said:?I am directed to inform the counsel tlint the
Si natc have agreed to an order in response to their
application, which will now be read:?
Ordered. That the Senate will commence the trial
of the President upon the articles of Impeachment
exhibited nitalnst htm on Momlav, the ;ioth day of
Miirch, and proceed therein, with nil despatch.ander
the rules of the Senate, sitting upou the trial of an
impeachment.
After a momentary pause the Chief Justice asked?
Have the counsel lor the respoudent anything to pro
pose ?
The comidcl bowed in ncqtilesence to the decision.
Mr. Hitler, one of the Managers, said?If the Chair
will allow me, I will give notice to tho witnesses to
appear here on Monday, the 30th Inst., at half-past
twelve o'clock.
On motion of Senator Wilson, (rep.) of Mass., the
court was then adjourned until the date named, at
half-past twelve o'clock, and the Chief Justice vacated
the chair, which was immediately resumed by the
President pro ttm. (Mr. Wade), who called the Senate
to order.
executive session.
Mr. Grimes, (rep.) of Iowa, moved to go into ex
ecutive session, which, after a vain attempt bv Mr.
Anthony to call up the report of the Committee on
Rule<j, prevailed, aud the Senate went into executive
scMinn accordingly. The doors were soon opened,
aud the Senate adjourned.
H0U8I 07 REPRESENTATIVES.
Replication of the Impeachment Xnnancrn to
the Answer of the President.
Washington, March 24, lses.
The House reassembled at eleven o'clock.
Mr. BoHTfftU, (rep.)of Mass., said he was directed
by the Managers of Impeachment to report tho form
of replication to the answer of the President and also
to submit a resolution.
Mr. C UM kk. (dein. of n*. v.. i i .ulrcd whether It
was In order to call lor the reading of the answer of
the President ?
The Speaker replied that it was not, bnt intimated
that it was in order to call for the reading of the
message from the Senate which accompanied the
answer.
Mr. Cdaot.br inquired how the Honae could act
with good Judgment unless it heard the President's
answer read.
The Speaker said that was a question for the
House, not for the Chair.
The message from the Senaie was read, and then
the replication was read, as follows:?
Replication by the House of Representative:' of the
united States to the answer of Andrew Johnson,
President o( the United States, to the articles of
impeachment exhibited against him by the llouso
of Representatives!?
The House of Representatives of the United .States
have considered the several answers of Andrew
Johnson, President of the United States, to the
several articles of impeachment against him by
them exhibited in the name of themselves and of all
the people of the Uulted States, and reserving to
themselves an advantage of exception to the Insuffi
ciency of this answer to each and all of the several
articles of impeachment exhlblted against said An
drew Johnson, President of the United Stales, do deny
each and every averment in said several answers,
or either of them, which denies or tra
verses the acts, intents, crimes or misde
meanors charged against the said Andrew
Johnson in said articles of Impeachment, or
either of them; and for replication to the said answer
do say that the said Andrew Johnson, President of
the United States, is guilty of the high crimes and mis
demeanors mentioned in the said articles, and that
the said House of Representatives are ready to prove
the same.
Mr. Spalding, (rep.) of Ohio, inquired of Mr. Bout
well whether the President had denied that lie was
guilty under the articles?
Mr. Fahxswohth said the President admits tho
facts and denies the guilt.
Mr. Spalding added that the Managers would be
met by legal critics in the Senate, and that they had
better be careful how they drew up their replication.
Mr. Boutwbll said that the attention of the Man
agers had been drawn to that peculiar form of the
answer filed ou behalf of the President, but that the
answer was in substance that he was not guilty.
Therefore the form of the replication was different
from what had been usually used in similar cases.
Tho auswer to some of the articles amounted
to a demurrer merely; but 011 tho whole the
Managers had chosen to treat the answer as a plea of
not guilty. Tho Managers were of the opinion that
no advantage could be taken as against the House of
Representatives to the form of replication now re
ported. He was willing to allow an hour for criticism
as to the form of replication.
Mr. Woodward, (dem.) of Pa., wished to call tlje
attention of the Managers to the fact that the answer
of the President to the eleventh article amounted to
a demurrer. Ills own opinion was that the demurrer
was very conclusive. He did not'thlnk there was
any Impeachable offences charged in tho eleventh
article. As the answer put that point in issue which
a legal question and amounted to a demurrer,
he thought there should be a special replication to
that part of the answer, or a Joining of demurrers.
This general replication did not Join any issues on
that article at all, and was whut might be called a
departure In pleading.
Mr. Dinciuam, (rep.) of Ohio, said that the gentle
man fropt Pennsylvania (Mr. Woodward), would find
that the eleventh artldo, like every other article ex
hibited against tho President, charged hlin with a
misdemeanor In olllcc or a high crime in oitlce, so
that there was no departure whatever In the repli
cation. lie desired to call the attention of the gentle
man and of the House tojthe fact that, while the
answer does contain much that Is argumentative
and much that might be called a demurrer, such a
thing was never allowed at alP In an impeachment.
There never had been a demurrer entertained In the
Senate or In the House of Lords of England. There
was no such thing on record. A demurrer did not
lie in such cases; special pleading was unknown In
the whole proceeding. The President's answer
to the eleventh article expressly denied that he
committed a crime, and was, therefore, a plea
of not guilty. Here was the clause which
contained the general denial:?" And this respondent,
further answerinK the said eleventh article, denies
that by means or reason of anything In said article
aHegea tills respondent, as President of the United
States? did on the 21st day of February, iH?8, or at
auv other dav or time, commit or that he was gul.ty
or a high misdemeanor tu omce." He claimed that
i>v the Parliamentary law that amounted to the same
tiling ns if he had said he was not Kull y of the
crimes alleged against him in manner and form as
charged. Forms were nothing in these matters:
substance was everything. The replication was of
Kiifmtimro unJ wan no departure. lie vouJti like to
see Andrew Johnson go Into the Senate of the United
States and by presenting a demurrer confess the
averment In the arti. les. No such ru e obtained,
because a demurrer admitted everything that Is
* Mr'YVoop, (rep.) of N. Y., presumed that theob
le.tlon taken by the gentleman from Pennsylvania
(Mr. Woodward) had reference to making" the r^Ul
catIon what it really ou>nit to be. He (Mr. VN ood)
thought that this was a question which the court lt
s?;lf might determine. It was desirable, however,
that whatever course tue House might take it
should exercise the greatest care, ami the House
should reserve to Itself tue right to Instruct and di
rect the Managers. He would take exception him
self to the phraseology of the replication, which
declares It to be ' in the name of all the people of
the United States." We know, said he, that that is
not the fact There Is not a man here who can rise
in ills place and seriously and candidly declare that
the people of tho United States have authori/.ed
the House to act on this question, or that any mem
ber of the House was ever elected on any such
Issue Therefore it Is false in fact*that tho House of
Representatives is acting for and 1h representing all
the people of the United States. \\e have had no
representations made to this House from any portion
of the people of the United States in favor of this pro
cedure. except by a handful of otllce seekers who ex
pect to derive personal advantage from the result,
l he Managers represent the House of Representa
tives and only the House of Representatives; and In
representing this House they are its agents. One of
ill!-Managers, tho gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Bing
hatn), t?Mik ^ipon himself to bully the Senate, ife
told the Senate to say whether It would observe Its
own rules; and yesterday the same honorable Man
ager undertook to criticize severely,
Judgment, Improperly, the decisions of the Chief
Justice of the united States, sitting as a prcsld ng
officer in that court. It will not do to say that
that gentleman alone Is responsible for these
thlinrs The Managers are acting and speaking
In Is-half of the House of Representatives, and
therefore it is that I, as one uieinlier of the House,
desire to enter tny protest against any conduct on
the part of either of these Mansers that Is not suf
ficiently decorohs and proper and commensurate
with the dignity and gravity ol such an occasion.
Who for instance, authorized Hie Managers to say
vesterdav that they would present their replication
r a one o'clock to-day ? Is thls a repli
caUon of the Managers or of the House of Repre
sent'it I ve?. I contend that, In the aliwnce of any
acUon on that question by the House of Kcpreser.ta
five*. It was ?n assumption of duty, an arrogance of
tmwer on the part of the Managers to declare to
the present Senate that they would at one o clock
to-dav th* Ir replication; and 1 find In the Bal
more nlm-rs of t<wlay this replication. Sir, aie
nohoilv r 1)? the gentlemen who have been se
lected bv this House to represent them In the Senate
con?tltifte themselves the House of Representatives?
Mr bovtwbll tools the floor to reply. He said he
had "understood the opinion of the gentleman of
Ne w York to be that the repll-at Ion proposedto
reolv in the name or all the people of the l nlted
Stalk and that as that Kcutlc.nan do? not agree to
It therefore It is not. a good replication. If that
were so, that would be au end to tue whole prosecu
"'Mr. Wood said that he had staf.l that no portion
of the people of the United States had authorized
Tl li action, and that therefore It. did not represent
all the people of the United states, and indeed did
not. represent any of the people.
Mr. lirn.KH, (rep.) of Mass., replied.?The repre
sentatives of the jH-ople usually represent them; but
the gentleman lias not even the merit of originality
In Ills objection. The form Is 0110 that has been used
ii\e hundred years, lacking eight. The objection
was made to it once before, and only once, when the
people of England, smarting under the usurpation
iiiid tvrauny of Charles the First, not hav ing iany pro
vision in tiielr constitution, as we have, by which
that ivrant could lie brought to Justice, outside of
t eir constitution, and In a perfectly legal manner as
I understand and t?elleve, brought Charles to Justice.
When proclamation was made that they were pro
ceeding In the name of all the people or England, ono
of the adherents got up and said, "No, the people
do not consent to If," so that the gentleman has at
least a precedent Tor what he has done; and I w sh
we could follow out the precedent In this Houae, be
cause the court inquired who made the objection
and tried to lind the offender for the purpose or pun
ishing him (iiiughter); but he concealed hlmseir, and
could not be found, aud ho afterward turned out to
be a woman?(laughter)?the wile of Oeneral Fairfax,
who ratted, on that occasion, from the rest or ttie
Commons, it Is said by tho gentleman from New
York, that this replication Is In a Baltimore paper. I
take issue with the fact. This replication was cor
rected in form at fifteen minutes past, eleven o ciocn
this day. It is copied, In part, from the great prece
dents. so far as they apply, and therefore, any paper
could publish something like It. ,
Mr. Woon intimated that the Managers had proba
bly altered It alter they had sent it to the papers; but
lie had It here In the Baltimore American, wltn the
names of the Managers attached.
Mr. BUTLBlt?And as the names of the Managers
are not attached to the replication, that ends the
matter. When we make a replication wo do not
attach onr names to It; but we expect, the ^ pcakerof
the House and the Clerk or the House, b. order of
I he llonse, to attach their names to it. ?
Mr. Woon again intimated that the replication w&ft
i altered after it was gfven to the pap< rs.
Mr. Bdtlck?We n?-ver altered it at all. The kind
of paper is on:' which the Manager* do not taka and
do not patronize, either l>v furnishing the matter or
reading it after it in published. Thus in u mere formal
proceeding. There can be no demurrer: there
can be no Hide Issuer, and all that
the President's answer ohm amount to IM
a plea of'-not. guilty," with a stump speech in the
l?eliy. (T.augliter.) That is all. 1 am informed that
the paper to which the gentleman alluded Is the Bal
timore Jiiiericatt. I thought it was the Gazette, J\n<l
Ing it in such suspicious company. The AntTioan is
a very decent, respectable paper, and I only wonder
that my friend from New York takes it. Now I trust
that the House will not receive any lectures or any
suggestions as to the propriety of language or pro
priety of conduct from the gentleman, who stands as
yet under its censure for a violation or all parlia
mentary rules.
Mr. wood?The highest compliment of my life.
The hour of twelve o'clock having arrived the ses
sion of Monday was closed and the session of Tuesday
commenced.
Mr. Ei.dkidos, (dem.) of Wis,, said it would seem
from the re marks of the gentleman from Massachu
setts (Mr. Butler) that this matter is never to cease
being a subject of levity. The impeachment of the
President, from the beginning of the proceedings up
to this hour, lias been treated not only as a mere
matter of form, . but as a subject for trilling.
The gentleman irom Massachusetts tells us that when
the question was raised in England whether im
peachment was In the name of the people some one
exclaimed that it was not, and lie said that persoj
was understood to be a ranting old woman. Well,
sir, it Is not necessary for old women to come here
and rant, for we have plenty of ranters in the ilouse
of Representatives.
Mr. Blaine?On which side of the House?
Mr. Ei.dridoe? I suppose the gentleman knows;
he Is a very fair specimen himself. The gentleman
from Massachusetts undertook to say that the repli
cation is a mere formal matter. That may be the
understanding of the gentleman from Massachusetts,
and we have the statement of the leading Manager,
Mr. Bingham, last evening, tliat, anticipating the
answer which has been presented by the President, the
Managers had prepared a replication. There couM
be no other construction put upon his language than
that the Managers, before they heard a word of tho
answer, had prepared a form of replication to it.
They do not consider the*facts of the case. They do
not look upou the President's declaration and an
swer either specifically or generally; but they prepare
and present to this House a replication In form to
what they suppose tho auswer of the President will
be. 1 said last evening that I did not desire the Man
agers on the part of the House, much as I respect
them as individuals and much as I have confldenco
in them as gentlemen, to answer In my name ou
their own discretion. Kvcry one of them was known
to have convicted the President, without regard to
the evidence and without regard to his answer, when
they were appointed as Managers. The gentleman
from Ohio tells us that tiie replication is a short
traverse of all the material allegations in the unswer
and denial of the matters aud things set up. Is the
Impeachment of the President so much a matter of
form that whatever he may answer the Managers are
prepared with a general denial of It ? Has the act of
impeachment become so much a matter of form that
whatever may be said, whether It be a confession or
a denial of the facts charged against, him, it is to be
denied by the Managers even before the answer
comes in? Is that the form and is that the pro
ceeding by which you are to remove the
Cliler Magistrate of this great nation? Suppose
the President had come In and confessed
many of the facts charged?and 1 understand
he does admit many?are the Managers prepared
in advance with a general denial of all matters
and things set up by the President? Are the Man
agers prepared to deny recklessly and without re
gard to facts whatever the President may say? 1 do
not want these gentlemen to 11 le an answer forme.
1 do not want them to be authorized to act In my
name, even at the hazard of my being called by the
gentleman from Massachusetts a ranting old woman.
So far as the President has undertaken to state facts
and to give a narration of what has transpired 1 be
lieve he has stated God's truth, and I believe that a
majority of tiie House to-day believe that what he
has staled Is true. Why, then, should not this House,
with equal frankness "and sincerity, come forward
and admit on the record whatever is true that the
President has stated? Why should the House deny all
that he mav have stated, whether it be true or whether
it be false? Why should we not come forward and meet ;
the case, admitting such facts as are t. ue and denying ?
such aa we consider are not true? wny cannot wo
consider the answer section by seel Ion, fact by fact,
and whenever we ilnd that the President has stated
the truth admit that in our replication? Why send
out to the country a false replication?a replication
denvlng these truths which we know to be true?
Why should we tell the country that all the President
has said is a lie, when we know tlut most of it is
true?
Mr. Williams, (rep.) of Pa., would like the gentle
man to state, its a lawyer who ha<l looked into- tlio
precedents, whether lie could pointMo any case of
impeachment tlmt had been tried, except on tho
gunertil issue of not guilty, whether any oilier issue
could be made, and whether, in that case, any other
replication could be tiled than substantially that
which had been prepared to-day ?
Mr. Ki.iikidue repeated that those portions of tho
President's answer which wire true, and which,
could not be denied by witnesses, should be admitted;
by this meaus they would narrow down tiie issue and
save expense ami time.
Air. Hiuby, (rep.) of Cal., inquired whether tho
gentleman was in a hurry to have the President con
victed 1
Air. Ei.nitmHE remarked that the gentleman (Mr.
Hlgby) was continuing the same practice of levity
and Insincerity which has been practised all the way
through. He (Mr. Rldrldge) cared not whether tho
trial be hurried up or delayed, ho far as he was Indi
vidually concerned"; but he would have Just as few
facts to be controverted by testimony as possible.
That would be good pleading; it would be good prac
tice, and he was in favor of it.
Mr. Williams, one of the Managers, said the gen
tleman from Wisconsin seems to be of the opinion
that this proceeding is to tie tried on technical rules
of pleading that are applicable in the trla. of cases in
courts of common law. 1 lieg leave to remind liini
that ft has been already o|>vn!y confessed by the
counsel lor I lie President that it Is not to be tried by
the rules that prevail in common law courts, but by
the law of Parliament. The pleadings are something
peculiar. The counsel for the President have put 111
a series of answers very much of the character of un
answer in chancery. There is no plea, there is no
demurrer in that particular. I think that the an
swer tiled by them Is without precedent. What aro
the Managers under these circumstances to do?
It stands confessed by the counsel for the President
that a demurrer In a case of this kind does not ap
pear. The gentleman from Wisconsin lulnnts that
there Is no such precedent. We come, fflen, iiefore
the House with the idea and on the hypothesis that
there Is but one Issue to lie tried, ami that Is the
general Issue of guilty or not guilty.
Mr. Klukidge?My position is that tire President,
having gone on and stated the fiicts covering the
ground of the charge agaiust iiiui spcculcaily, we ought
(0 meet lilin fairly, and admit such fuels us we can
not disprove, thereby narrowltiK the issue, saving
expense to tne country and saving the expense* of'
catling a large number of witnesses to disprove
facts which we cannot deny.
Mr. Williams?Then the gentleman expects ns to
follow the President In his answer in the way ol
special replication precisely as we should try a ease
in the civil courts?
Mr. Ciiam.br made the point of order that the
House had no official knowledge of the answer of the
President.
The HrKAKKR overruled the point, of order on the
ground that the House of Represent.!'Ives was by Its
own vote at the bar of the Seuate y scrday for the
specific purpose of hearing the answer, and it was to
be presumed that the House had hear I it.
Mr. Williams went on to argue that no other
character of replication could i?e made to the an
swer of the President. If the House were to enter
on a long series of special pleas It would lie playing
precisely Into the hands of the President ami his
counsel, whose object appeared to l>c nothing more
nor less than delay. IMd the gentleman from Wiscon
sin want to pei|K tuate the trial tiil Hie close of the
President's term? That seemed to be the general
feeling, and to have been the expotaMon of the
President himself. He had had some special doubt
himself whether the Mn.iagers shou|d not have none
bacK lit the Senate and compelled the defendant to
put in n confession in form or a plea of "not guilty;"
tint he had deferred to the Judgment of Ins coliengin *
th it they should take the. whole of the answer as
hubstatii nlly a plea of "not guilty."
Mr. Rt.MRtiHiX said that was the very point he had
rn leavored to make; that the House having through
Its manuirers a< cepted the spe< ul answer put in bv
the President, was bound bv that answer, and that It
ber-.'i;- (lie duty of the Man iir< rs to nyiy to that
special answer, specially admitting such facts as
they c uld not undertake to disprove. 11" would
like to know where there was a ease on record where
managers of an ini]ieaehmeiit allowed Mich an an
swer as that of the President to stand?
Mr. Himiiiah, (rep.) or Ohio, suggested to Mr.
Williams that In tne Cnase Impeachment there wan
Just such a case.
Mr. Williams, passing to another branch of the
subject, said the gentleman from Wisconsin asseve
rate* here that all the facta stated In the answer.of
ttie President are true, or are, to use his Identical
language, "Hod's truth." I do not think (lod ever
recognised any truths of that sort. (Laughter.)
Does the gentleman undertake to say that tho
speeches charged to have been made by the Presi
dent at sr. l.ouls and Cleveland and Washington
were not made by him f
Mr. Eldridok?-'The President says he did not
make them In the form In which they are charged.
Mr. Wt 1.1,1 a Ms?And the gentleman atlirtiis that,
the denial Is true, and therefore that the President
never made such speeches. 1 put. it to the gentleman
whe'her he believes that himself? (Laughter on the
republican side.)
Mr. Looan, (rep.) of 111., In answer to a remark of
Mr. Kldrtdge that the Impeachment. Managers had
never before admitted such au answer a? that with
out excepting to It, said that the gentleman would
and that In the trial of Lord Hastings ,? qpmmlttee
was appointed by the Parliament to examine the
Journal of the Lords, and the committee reported to
the House that from an examination of three cen
turies no demurrer or exception could be found aa
having ever been taken to articles of Impeachment.
There was no precedent to be round for anything ex
cept that the articles be answered and a general
replication tiled.
Mr. WoonwAnn said that as the House was now
consulting It was proper fo* any member to point out
to tho Managers any difficulty which might lie pre*
sented. Arter a few remarks on the technical quesj
tloii of pleading, he said that the eleventh ariiclc o|
C0XTTKT7ED ON TINTH PA2E.

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