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Opening of the Fourteenth Week of
the Scandal Suit.
BEECHER ON HIS LETTERS.
WHAT HE ADMITS SAVING.
Negatives with Agony and
Emphasis
'WE ALL KISSED EACH OTHER."
Graphic Dsscription of the Scenes
and Incidents.
BOWEN, BEECHER, TILTON.
The Loves and Hates of the
Brooklyn Trinity.
IS THERE A PLYMOUTH CLAQUE ?
A splendid spring day. the sunlight streaming
ta through tuo tall windows of the court room
and illuminating ibe broad area, where tua
crowded multitude sab Sucn was tbe scene In
me court room yesterday motning when tlie pro
ceedinjs were commenced, ll seemed to t>e a
noiiduy picture ratber than a solemn court as
sembled to try tbe issue between two men wbo
are Ughting lor reputation, as are Theodore Tllton
anu Henry Ward Beecher.
A wide margin of both sides of Fulton street
in iront of tbe court was occupied for tne greater
pare of tne day by a respectaoly dresoed crowd of
idlers. Tbe anxiety to get in to see the perioral
aace was excessive. Hundreds remained outside
ou the corridors for bours. They were no common
fulii..-, out evidently people of good position from
*11 parts o toe country.
Mr. Beecher acte i bis part about equally as well
as on tbe previous days. He would still insist
upon throwing tbat peculiar tremor into bis voice
that tbe Flymouth pastor can use when anything
pathetic has to be narrated, und yet this method
of bis is one whuth excites more of ridicule tbau
pathos, and it is a pity tbat such Is tue fact, con
siuertQg bow snort a step it U between tbe sub
lime ana the ridiculous.
KEAKINU C* BRAVELY.
Mr. Beecher bore up bravely through hU ex
amination during tbe entire day. He did his best
nnder tbe circumstances?he did nothing ex
traordinary?to meet all toe points covered by
t&e letter of contrition or tbe various interviews
iritb TUton and Moulton where be is represented,
in tne refined language of thieves and detectives,
ta "giving nimself away*' to a degree that no man
with ordinary sense ever did before.
TBS CONTRITION LETTSR,
Mr. Evaita ended the reading of rne contrition
letter, with tbe words, "Her forgiveness I have,
may Uod put It in tbe beart of ber nuaoand to for
K1V3 n," -Was thai your dictation?" asked the
counsel? "So," was the response, In a faint, sad
tone. Then, after a slight pause, -mi's like tne
rest, not of oar parentage." Tne lmpreaaion was
not so strong as on lormer denials, but there was
? disposition to applaud.
Tne points advanced by Moulton required more
tban ordinary tact and ability to anawer. Mr.
Beecher met these points with apparent sense
and coorage. and triumphed. It only remsins to be
seen if be wui meet the cross-examiaatlon in tne
same spirit, and then Beecher will nave gained
tbe victory hia mends so confidently predict. Mr.
Beecber waa less lorclole and impressive tban on
tbe previous days. His voice suggests suspicion.
People listening or tbe nr?t time to bis somewhat
quavering tones will conclude tbe speaker Is a
mountebank, and that tbe pecu.iar tone of
voice ta put on, and that thcae shakes |
and quavers In bis voice are assumed.
Yet Beecber has been accustomed to
use sucn tone* end pathetic quavers all bia life.
Bet'ag a peculiarly emotional speaker it would be
strange 11 be did not icsensiby fall Into tbe oli
isrmlUar habit and met&od of speech, even tbougn
he nappens to be in tbe witness chair. There
"were between twenty and tbirty women present in
tne coart room yesterday. Many of the laces were
strange aud not by any means interesting. Tbe
fact tb*t so nuny new remale races were present
seemed to attract tbe attention of Judite Xeiison,
was evidently in no amiaoie moofl. While dis
cussing tae question of applause witb tbe counsel
at tbe close of tne day, tbe Judge remarked tbat it
would be better if ladles not connected with tne
case would reirala from attendiug the trial In
future. Hereafter be would be compelled to re
fuse them admittance.
Among those ou tbe bench were Messrs. Char'.ea
J. Fourer, M. K..ssei, D. D. Field, John E. Far
sons and E. O. Ferrta.
THB CLAQCX.
Before Mr. Baacber began Us testimony Judge
Vellaon said
I wish to tmy a word to the rep rtera. in ctae
ol interruptions hereafter t>y ine auilence I wun
ttem tu oe omitted iroua your Botes. I in iii
mciiuaed in mat respect in a letter of three [ ages
Iruia a dutloguured judge in icronto. 1 tnin*
the records would appear much i>etter. and,
tbereiore. reqne-t that any lnterrup .on* oe
oBitita, and tbat uiy icqueata lor order amo be
ormtteu. In tbe same counection 1 wiah to
?ay to Mr. Kogera, tt?e orticer woo has
charge, tbat if be Has cot policemen enough
to aid hiin in keeping order, re nu-t order more;
and in caae of any lut-rrupdon Hucb as di i occur
tue ia t aitarnoon wnen we were here, ne must
teaoTt the persona abolnterruot the barm wiy of
ttie praceeoinga. Tht* man be done wit; cut
re?pect to the peraon, no matter who it is. These
interruption! are unp.easant to the couase, on
bom sides and dlaiiact toe attention ol the
jury, soch persons are wanting in respect to the
Court; u rnuat ceaae. Proceed gentlemen.
THB ETIDEN'.IC.
Mr. Evarra?Recurring to tne scene and date of
the in e> v,t-w bad oeiween you and Mr. Mouiton
at nia mm-e. I u<.w ask you wben Mr. Mouiton
made tbe statement, waicn yon nave les.ifled to,
r frardlug nr. TiKoa'a innocence iu respect to me
m liter* tbat bad been iropued against his
morality. ? oat effect dio tuese * tat emeu is of vr.
Moatioa'a produce on your rnino In regard to your
leeungs and beiioi oil tue ?ut>ject? A. I was
rarneitiy over^iai, l>elioT'ng it waa so, and tliat
bi? staie.iients aOoat Mr. niton's iui ocence
ib? tmtii. and 1 tali an tne worae lor relieving
mat ue uad - een guiltv. as It ma?ie ine In eome
Mnaaan mjurer of Mr niton* inauoeuce.
rilk Lti'IKB Of CONTRITION NOT 1119.
U- la tnat paper wniou jounola in your hand
In any sense your couposrion, tsat is a mem >?
tABdum timde by Mi. Mouiton, a-, tie tejifleJ tor
Mr. J-uliertun objected io ine witness giving ail
Del;* on the tubject. tuai la lor toejmy.
Judge Neuaon? We Will '?!? It.
Mr, miterton?Whether in any aanaa tbat paper
la nis to position *
Judye Neiiaon- - aa.
question repeated. A. In no sense la It any
composition oi miue.
V- l? it a copy or me product ot any dictation or
yonrtT a. ia no proper aenaa ox tbe wora Mioia
tton'dld I dictate it.
The wunesa held tbe letter of contrition in
fela band, glanced at it a moment and aiowiy anna
eta tea tbe words quoted above.
"Old yon use tne word a, '1 a amble my sell before
Theodore Tilton aa I do before my bod V "
??I did not, b?t I did *ay"~and hf-re i>a
vltnaaa gave a rendering of tae worda be did nsi>,
wniia bit voice loat its even tone aad ieu aimutt
ta the laenrymoea say toacbad daring tbe previous
day'* examination.
ia lass, Jonr attention bow to the part o! trie
Uiit tiause oi tuat memoraudum wmuu reaua
tnua, -lask. iliioiigh yon, lneodore Tut n's or
fivuaess. ana i now uumu.e invse.t ueiore biui as
d? ua.ore my ood.'' i>id >ou express tms sen
taica ia rua e hoiua, or an aquivuient io
to Mouiton at tani tima t A. I uu aott i dia say
tbat. iu Tie* oi tne ?uteni?at made. I >?,?? that 1
Hod wroaired mm? out k uau wronsea i>> me
noiueBwia, ana ibat I uaa bMiMMea aossii aetwra
Oi'il for It ami tbu: i was willing io bumble mrseli
before Theodore T.lton.
<>. lihl you is* these words or au equivalent to
tut-m, *'Ht) woul i unv ? i e i a better man in mv
circumstances than 1 uave teen." Uiu vou ex
pre" tuat clause iu tue.e w i s or tu woros
equivalent 11, meauuig ihereto? A. 1 may m
some words slmi hi. t ,nai ma >v a lim ?.
q. In what ri's, ect i?r on what toute, concerning
what conversation might you have i.sed words
simuar r A. I roui trie lact that I had sidi-a almost
ir m uk-tl'St rltihn niBiuHt I neodore Tliu.ii and
witu >ir. Hovveti aud l remembered wii^u I ?>a- In
a. alcaldes tuat Mr. rnton ,.ad instant:? and with
uios gencr ua spontaneity lelt everything ana
heiped me aud wtieu ue was in troupe 1 sided
agaiuai bim.
Was mat your leelmg at that time in compar
ing.' jour conduct toward mm t a. 1 recoUect it
very distinctly aud -hail Lever lorget it to the
judgment day.
y. Ui.l yon express tbeae words in this clause oi
the memorandum, ll cau ask oi aim nothing except
that ue will remember au the other nearts that
must ache r" a. N. , ?ir; laid not make any state
ment taat I would express by that lormula; 1 uld
iu tbat conversation repel the idea that i wa> act
ing -eitlatiu ; i did call up in various lorms ana at
diiiereui titues in the conversation, reiterating
toe relations I .-ustame i to other persons in my
bouse Hold aud tin household and mends in toe
church who loved me as U I belonged to their
households.
y. ina you exprea* In these woMs or their
equivalent this clause or the memorandum, '1
will not piead lor mysell; 1 even wisu 1 was dead;
but others must live aud suflerf" A. Ub, mat is
not my pnrase nogy, and It is a vei y pale and poor
aud iceole interpretation or tiie intensity witn
winch 1 expressed m> sorrow in the sorrows of
other pfop.e.
What can you state as having been said by
you carrying out the mea, that u was not wnat
yourseli woul 4 suder, out wnat 01 hers w.>uid
suiter thai gave you concern? Give your conver
sation on that pom . A. 1 was not in a logical
moo.i, and 1 aid uot measure my words or tasuiou
my sentences; 1 varied irom one mood to another
and
OSCII.LATKD BETWEEN
remorse and excusatoi j sentences; tbere was tlrst
that o.-oitlatiou and viuration iviiion talte* place
lu a li ghiy excited s ate 01 miud; ior instance, I
vrouM sometime* express tnuiguation. aud a mo
ment siterward I was sorry lor expressing indig
nation that Euaaoetu 11 a 1 uuue a uat ue did.
y. Did you use these words, shad die ueiore
any one out nij*?eii si all be inculpated," or words
equivalent f a. No sucu phrase as tbat; I look
through tins memorandum an 1 Idonot think 1 see
a pUrase 01 rnino written on tuat occasion, but 1
see tne source iroai whence tuey nave been
wruna; 1 do recollect expressing myseit very
turoamy; that I'd rather die titan urlng sucti
trouMa or to increase ?ucb tioubie; that so lar as
1 mysau aione *vas concerned 1 counted lne very
smah 11 1 could ma*e reparation; it was a stroug
expression o regret and reuior-- ; at tue mtscniet
wiuca seemed to nave b**eu committed by me.
rttK POoK CHILD SChMi.
y. I aifc your attention to the next sentence in
the memorandum?? All my thoughts are ruumug
towara iu. irieud?toward the poor cbdd lying
tneie ana pr*y ing with loidea nanus." A. \es.
ij. Did you e*pr ss ?nat tuere appears 1 A.
Very likeiv in suoataince; only ih*t tuis is a very
poor expression?ver. meagre.
t{. Woat did you say in tuat connection? A. I
dou't Unow tue ex les-don 1 useujl nuuwi iu:t
line a lather standing over tue Uead poo.v oJ 111s
cmiu; 1 know sue looked like death ; she had been
a ueur irieud aud child 10 uie, ana it seemed to
me ..s 11 l iian aestroyea her rea-ou?destroyed
ber moral lile; swe ai peareu 1. me to ue on tun
edge 01 a e aud ueatb. and 1 spoke as one w6u,d
speak iu tbe tntensi:y oi 111; uisir^s.
y. lu mis couve. -atlou was any suggestion
made bv Mr. Moultou iu regard 10 your leeliug iur
others, and uot oeiug exclusively cuticerueu about
yoursei: ana your u*u position t A. Wuen 1 re
ltised 10 i-'ive tUe retraction lie said ue thought
tuat a selli?b considera ion; that it was mean; ue
very iikeij in nis part 01 the conversation said
something similar to tuat, but 1 can't recollect it;
very like.y ne uid.
Dm you use these words or their equivalent,
as 1 ney appear iu me next c ause of ne memoran
dum, ???he is ^Uiitiess. ana is s.nued a^ainsi, aud
bearing tne trail-gressions 01 auotnerf" A. Very
lueiy; very uxeiy; out l nad liveu in ib s nouse
In.iu a Uie oi intimate iriendship tor muny } ears,
and 1; 1 nad alienated her uQeCtious in sucn a
decree and manner as to have orougnt discord,
ana sac 1 distress as to paraiyze her moral sense,
01 ratner her rea-on, and 11 1 had been tue occa
sion 01 tuat iu.seiner, ana I tbsugut to mysell bow
couiu any man :'iaud
\uii took u;?tti ? to yonrseirt A. Yes; I tooK
blame 'o myseli no to the year 1874.
14. 1 will now lead tbe succeeuing clivise in this
memoraadu 11, and ask you 11 you used inese
words or expression, where y?u stated in *ul?
stance, "tier lormvaess 1 nave, and 1 uuiuoiy
pray to God tnat ue may put it into tue heart of
ber u .soand to loigive me also?" A. No, ?n : tbat
sentence must go wun ail tae rest; it is not ot my
purentaae; toe question came up with regard to
Mr. niton's sutler.ugs in the m.;:er, ol tne se
verity o. bis leeaugs; tne drlit of tne intervie w
was such a statement on my i?ait?a laid
lounda'.an, a klndiy mteneieuce between us
and io. a reconciuatii n, ana it was in connection
wnii Ei zabeib 11.ton that 1 aaid iu repeated
lorms mat I ieit as 111 baa done her an mcaicaia*
Die wrong, out 1 bad no doubt at all o: her lor
giveuess: hut it wasTilton s kindness and recon
cnutioa 1 ver> mucn duuoted; our lrioua Mom
lou was talking wun him, and ne whs assuring
me. too, Hut tue ai(Bcu.ty ?itb Tillon was mat
ne baa draily fixed in bta miud I was in mortal
enmi y with mm.
H. i now cad your attention to tne pbrase In
your letter o. June 3. 1873 (t.xhibit ao)? this
purase- .be agreement was tnaue alter my let
ter to v ju was wiitten." 1 call tour attention to
that phrase and expression, "tbrouun yo?i."
Were you referring to , am ms noraudum on tbat
occasi-?n. 01 -omething ,.ou had wrutenr
Mr. Beacn objected to tae questioa as leading.
Jua^e N-. s c? ion cau cau ask him wnat ne
was iei?rriug to.
:?ir. Eva is?In that clause wbo had you reier
euce 10 wneu y? -s oke o "mr letter to your"
A. 1 nevei ->aw u unni i saw it here; I did not
bear . it us 1 no** recollect.
U- Did >ou aiter taat tune a gam .-e > it t A. I
ne.er sa * it ill i stw it neie; my urstrecoliect.ou
01 it was wuen oenerul lracy, .n Decernner, I87i
a.'er ue had ueen catiei on uj At. Mou.ton, s^nke
01 a letter 1 u ,u wntieu; ai'erward Mr. ClaQin
asseu me aoou'. a .etter 1 had written, ana my
orother bdwara came 10 m about a letter?aoout
a letter mat n.id ^one aitnost out oi my mind; I
bad never ven 1 , out I supposes ae tad used ma
pnraaeo.ogy taat 1 bad nexrd used.
Di-VIi. S 1XVEJ . NO.
4. I low call jour a tention to your Interview
witn Mr. ilnou t.u the 3om Uecemoer. l>ia joa
at mat luti rvie* use tav expression or mate aujr
re ereuce o. ai.y sii.d on the sauject 01 L/antVs
??luieruut" a. 1 remember none; 1 don't say I
tfBMfc
TiLTO> DOE- HOT ACCUSE HIM OF AIT1.TKKY.
V i< .ring tne in erview bet* ecu Tiltoa and
jour?e.f w..en rou g?ve your uarra'ive, uid Mr.
lUton in any terms accu?a jou oI the c m.e of
aou. cry witu ma wie ? a. lam certaiu ue aia
not.
Q. Did be by way of accuaation or otherwise say
to\ou or iUiii.it.': to >ou tuat D1> wi a had ever
accused you to turn ol auuiier) ? A. He did But.
<4. w aa mere at ,iny time daring that conversa
tion raited btween you tne question w&ecner you
bad couimitteu aduitfiy witu ui* wife i A. ihere
*ai no eucu que-uou; no men a msion. no such
'op.cettu-r or intimation <>r by expreaaed lan
guage u any maimer whauoever.
A atriag of questions to tbe effect If Tiltoa, IB
bia Interview with Beecber. accused blm of having
committed adultery with his wile, met a clear
aad determined negative at every tora. Tbe wlt
nesa reau ued bia normal voice. ill* repllea were
a little leaa prompt, ma manner lesa cool and de
cided than during the other days. lie held bia
at ma folded at one momeat and reatlng on the
arma of tbe ciialr tn next. Hla bead waa well
ibrown back, bia eye clear and ateady and hla
hair bruabed entirely off bu torehead.
V- Wat there any atatement by bioi. by verbal
or written accuaauon. or anr imputation agaiost
you by nia wi e excepts* tne memorandum read
here auout improper aoucitauonsr A. iiot'uug
but tuat.
y. Waa there auring that conversation any ref
erence to, or >ecitai or sugir.:siion 01. the argu
ment oy ? uu h y,\i aau overcome ner v.rtue and
TRlCMfllKO OVBX HEB CHASTITY?
A. No, ut; none.
14. I cume bow to tne id of January; how was It
oi>?erveu at tnatdate' A. Acco aing tne cu
tout 01 tears pa-t in my conaregation and cuuica
my bou?e wait open to receive caJers on teat day
irom itn to seven.
q. And how ai-re you per-ooaiiy occupied and
jakea up Mat day o> tnia custom 01 vuitiur a.
1 cannot rec.ul tnat ipeciflo uaj ; 1 can recall tue
custom 01 tuoae day*; I am usuu>iy 1 a y.
Mr. tteaci?i object, .?.? nut ti jmnsio.e.
BiliCBlK'j NEW YlAK'S I aLi.?IU.
Q. Aecorui.a to>our recoliec Ion ot tnat <l?r ?
a. l fiaveioofcca at sucu ni??inoi >nua as 1 ituu 1
and aecoruiug to uir suowleoge anu beue> I
receiveu about ?00 caliers ti.at dar
y. lorouau W.iai 11 1 lira ol ue 4uy Old that 0CCU
auoumnr A. .Nominally iroiu 10 to 7 o'CiOCK,
ut t?*?./ irom about ,1 to : o'clocK.
H, llave you any recollection of any interview
witn jaouitoa on tnat day 1 a. Ouiy tue moat
shadowy impr.-asim?that .? ca..ed up.u uieas a
ca.ier.
(4 lJut an to any Interview or con ereace wlih
Qim? vnat recoii*ction nave dj on tiut auojectr
a. mere waa no '.ouieri;uce?there oouia not
have I. en au*? mere was none.
*4. Uiil you go 1 p stiua or ? vvay from your par
tors wan Mr. Mouiton tuat ua> ? A. Ko.
'v- at tueie u tuat day any CuiiVinsatioo be
tween you .n wbic you aaaed Mr. Mouuou n ne
tiioug t t woumi o? aa e to aava me sa>e ol Ply
mouth pe t? ?? ua ? a >o, s.r: uoti.ing 01 tne
K.in,; it touiu i<? ?imji? aosuru; tbat Waa the
busineis ot :ne ti uaiecs.
*neu '.i? saie ri-r that year to take
pia^e ? A. iu? laeaday alter iu? 1st -ay ai Jaa*
a. 1 y.
Q. itwa^totaite place :ue iol.owiog day f A.
Vea.
u. I) a it take p;ac? f a. Tea, sir; 1 praioma it
did, si.'.
1^. wt.ai icngtn of prelimiaarr iiotKe had b?en
given 01 u.esaie? a. two always 10 ad
vance; two San oaths 1b auvmee: tne cuurca is
open rom tne n.oru.u< 01 me day cUi tbe
niyu W ien tne sue , .ao*, 1.( peraous to
Cvme in and make i.ons
14 Was uiei? auy uisuu?si^a between yea and
him ou that day in regard to any letter tlint Mr.
'1'iituu w is writing or was 10 write to Mr.
liotvHii? A. No. mr; none.
y. .So*, sir, oil i o following day wan there anr
meeting bei wveu >ou ana Mr. Mouit<>n?ttiu 3a ol
J inuji'> or ilieira >oats r A. Vex. mere was tneu
or t..ereubOBts; within a lew day;: l tniiik ttie 3<J.
Q. Where ail tha. occur? A. Ia Mouitous
bo UNO.
y. VVera rnu tuere by appointment or by chance?
A. i can't say.
y. Aud wuere was u held f A. In Moulton's
cb tuioer.
y. Wnat wis the condition of hi* health? A.
He w:ih la bed, and I ttiiuK 11 was ou account oi
sickness; in act l know tie was indisposed.
y. He was not too nl to prevent him froui seeing
you ? a. No, sir, 1 nave never seen hlui in that
condition.
Q. While you were there did Mr. Tllton come In?
A. lie did.
y. 11.1.1 vou seen him before that morning ? A.
I tnlnk not. sir.
y. How did the conversation commence? A. I
think Mr. Mouiion began b> retelling to the pre
vious talk 1 had with him; he was repeatiug it to
Mr. Tilt n.
y. What ha.l ton been saying to Mr. Moulton be
fore Mr. illtun came in? A. 1 had been referring
to what Mr. lilton must have sintered: 1 thoujibt
Lis seif restraint was reniarkab.e under the cir
cuuisunces.
y. Alter Mr. Tlltou arrived how did Moulton
continue? A. He told Mr. Tllton 1 nad been saying
very Kind tniugs oi mm.
y, v\ hat uid he do next? A. X turned to Mr.
lllton and told hnu how I regietted having oeen
In any way subsidiary to tne trouble between linn
una Mr. liowen: I uiso said tuat 1 had the most
pruluund sorrow or t.ne rupture 1 had made in Uls
family ; that 1 asked Ins paruou : I felt I had been
in cue wionu, and asked ills forgiveness lor It.
EFFECT ON MOULTON.
The meeting of Tuton, Moulton and Beecher at
Moolton's bouse was narrated In detail. Moulton,
who Sit off some distance, kept his eyes steadily
fixed on the speaker. The bitter, mocking In
credulity oi his looks had soitened down to an ex
pression rather of pitying wonder than or angry
scepticism.
y. wnat lollowed ? A. I said "Anything in my
power 1 will ao to show my sorrow," and Mr.
Mou.ton said "inat is an apology any gentleman
should accept."
y. Did your apology have the desired effect? i
A. Mr. niton appeared to take it rather reluct- j
autiy, us Mr. Mouitun said, with marked empnasis,
? Yon ought to accept that apologj ?what do you
expect a man to do more?" alter some further
tau nr. Tnton aid accept tne apulosy.
y. tlow did he accept it? A. *e shook bands,
y. w,,at occurred afterward? A. I thluk Mr.
1'iH.on withdrew.
y. Was any reference made at that conversation
to the charges in regard to Mrs. liltou? A. I do
not think so.
y. Dia jou tal<c about them alter Mr. Tllton left?
A. 1 uo not remember any sudt conver anon.
y. Uo you rememiier an observation Mr. Moulton
made to Mr. i'uton. such as, "He nas, in my i
opiuion. doue everything that a man can do witn
out ni.iKiuii a puolio statement oi the lacts" ? A
No, not mug of the kind was said.
y. Was any suggestion rnado that a public
statement saouid be made ? A. On the contrary,
me wuoie drill ol lae interview led 10 the opinion
tuat tne tacts should be concealed.
y. Was mere any language made use or by Mr.
Tllton such as, "iospeak .o a man who has ruined
ray wile, broken up my house," <tc. r A. Not a word
Oi it.
y. Did Mr. Moulton make any statement such
as, "Tneodore, you must remember tnat Mr.
b?-echer has seat vou a letter througn me num.
oiiu^ liiiusell betore you as be wouid belore tils
Gou"? A. No, sir; no. sir.
y. Did you .luring that conversation say any
thing as loliows:?"u you wish that i should re
tire ironi my puipit you nave ouly to say tne word
ana 1 win do it" ? A. 1 lie imputation oi any suon
lau^uage to me is a wnoie.-ale ncuou.
y. Did you state that the sale oi pews should not
go on ? A. No, sir.
y Do you remember saving, "I have this request
to make, that, snouia you make a public suite
m-ut of inis trou'jie. you will give me warning, so
that l mat commit suicide ana go out oi the
wor.a"' ? A. No, sir.
y. Was auytning said about Mr. Ulton desiring j
publicity? A. Not at that interview.
y. Did you sav anytning nice the following:?
art heruioie, i ask iuu to do me taia lavor, that .
wuoever else is to be miormed oi tins my
wtie shall not know it, as she is already your
enemy and may necome miue"? a. No; notniug
of tne kind was said.
A WHOLESALE FICTION.
?'The Imputation 01 that language to me 1b a
wholesale Action." ihe witness was at a loss for
a word to characterize the lalslty 01 the language
attributed to liim uy Moulton. Be waa proceeding
to stigmatize it more iu:iy wnon tbe counsel
caUed a. bait. Further on tbe language Tilton
gave was quoted to tbe purpose ol making
Beecher say bia relations with Elizabeth were not
always sexual. "No, sir; no, sir. O. tbis is tior
rlule! Before God, no sucb words passed between
me and any iLan living." Moulton leaned over to
talk witb Morris and Tilton sought tbe ear or
Fniierton to impart some eager communication.
Tne magnitude of the woiIt beiore tbe witness
begins to reveal itself. Evarts wastes no time. His
questions bave uiore or less 01 pertinency. There
is no travelling outsit* the record, but as the
defence baa evidently entered on the enterprise
ol covering the wboie neia traversed by the
plaintiff tbe vaatnsss ol tae lask oegins to be saen.
Q. Did yon aud ?? I will consider it is an addi*
tions. oceoaluu ui gratitude' r A. No, air.
y. Do.>ou remjixiuer ?.a/ing ?-^he wa^ not to
bl.. ine, 1 Wan entirely at iauli; my sacred office
put urn in a wrong psace; X s.iouid nave oeen ner
guarj.au no ner tcuiiiter-' a. something oi tae
kiuowaHfa.il, cut Miuply waen I reienea ;o tne
wrong mat i baa none in uainisg ner affections,
a* Siuceinenia naa leu me to uei.eve 1 had a ne.
H. uiu jau ever make any statement acanowU
e igin? st-xaai lutiuiacyr A. No, sir; U is odiously
ia.se.
y. Did yon ever in conversation wan Mr. Tilton
express j. ur regret .or baviug ..ad sexual inter
courser A. it is uitoermie almost to be asked
sues a queariuk. and beiore Almighty Ood no such
stateiu. n. waa ever made by me.
y. Din jou ever mane tbe ioi.owing statement:?
"1 n ver solium ner lor any vulgar end; my
intercourse Had been turouan love and not
tnrcu?ti mat"' A. No. sir; n> taiug of ma kinds
no iiucu language fas ever used.
y (in wuat ocobmou tii<j you say to Mr. Tilton.
<Mell m , beioie you go away, can you possmly
reinstate SU.suoettt in your .over' A. liemember
lu bucii language: po-^-ioiy 1 may nave said it
V. no you r-meinjer tbe scene when, in the
language oi Mr. iiit .n, fou acied as follows:?
"Bur 1 g >onr lace in your narnls," and saying
you Ait uke a man "on tae edge ol bell"f A. i oo
not.
y. Now, sir, durmg thit> conversation did yon
say. when you sprite ?*/ ionr gnef ior bis ironoies
witn Mr. Boweu, tnai vonr wne bad -tirred it all
up? A. 1 oo remember mating my reyreis for bis
troui'i- with .Mr. Uowen. out 1 did not say taat I
i e.aiilea uiy nne'i interference as more misenisr
ous than mine. ?
As the niormng wore on tbe witness became
more buoyant, infused greater vigor into bis voice
and grew almost defiant. Beaca and Fulierton
were attentive, tbe former sitting back in his
chair, |ts forefinger curled in a ring around nis
chin, bis eye acarce blinking, but fixed immovably
on the witness.
Witness?The conversation mrned* on Mr.
Boweu'* .readier* towaid Mr. luton and tow
.iiu me; mat was some time bu ore January to; I
tnn.k it was or about Bat time; tue ouiy way
1 can ux me date is oy my num. randa of my
lectures; lean fix the landmarks of it in mat way;
i have trot me uate* down oi wnere 1 lectured.
V tiow did Mr. Mouitou miroduce mis inter
view r topic f A. Mr. Monituu *nu l were talking
as o now ne wrong dons Mr. futon s ouid be
repaired: 1 ..n't teli now Mr. .Uoua^n Introduced
it; lean te.l tue topics of the conversation, per.
nap* not in tueir order; 1 can give Uie substance
oi tne conversation.
q. Was me subject or yonr previous relation
w.taMr. Uown orouunt ino tue interview? A.
It was very tuorougnly biouirut lino tne lnter
vits; lie wanted me to give turn an account of ail
m< uiincuitie* aou relation* wun Mr. l!o*en; us
WAUteii to explore tne grouni tuorougmy, to
ust.>'iia.n exact.y wnero ...r. Boweti stood and
wnere 1 stooo : 1 tuereiore kat> mm a succinct
vicw oi wnat 1 laouifnt oi Mr. Buwen, aud rneu I
gave t. iu a :ew oi me points oi me uifftcu ties
mat iiau s?i un* up u. twees Mr. Ho wen and my
seu, au j, lor ine purpose o. iMcoucuing an tbe dl;
flcuitie* i.etw?en Mr. Bo*en and mrneif. 1 an
sweied ail ibe fiue-u in ne pat to m? as to waat
Mr. tinwe? would icet or uut i<-e, lu an endeavor
t mate aim <lo justice to >,r. Tiuon.
Now, at mat in eivi?w Was a..ything sahl to
you aooui a n;tter Mr. i'uton bad wrined or was
to wil e to Mr. Bow nf A. 1 understood Mr.'Hi
tun Wu* pre^ariug a document or exmbit, or
wnatever ,voo n,ay cmi it, wni;ii it w?s oop-A
woiua oiiag Jowen to the discuarge of i>im obiiga
tio .s to Mi llitou; .in uo ie ter was ever auown
me until i?72; ?ut some o> t?e HQuject matter con
tained in t iat document or exoluit, was Mixed
oi bet wean Mr. Bowen, .Mr. Tilton and Mr. M ?ol
tou; u was a suojeci di-cu-<ed ueiweea mem
ramsr ikau anytuiug addressed to myseix.
I NKVE* SAW ant LKTrER
of tbe kind nor any written uoc meut ntitnat sub
ject? iiiit leti er incluusJ in tne Ooiden Agt ai
tide?autn Marcu, uu; mat letter was part of
tue tiiparuie agreeuieoi. ,,
y. heioio t at tima mat li tter yon had neyer
se?n t A. >u. sir; i uaa never seen it ueiore tnat
time.
V. Now, sir. in this in erriew wss tb?ra any
m tnorariuuui or paper pre-.euted 10 you on tois
suoject f A. 1 never saw ?n/ inemoraud .m; I
Uear j nak a d <euiueiit or pa^er v^as oeiug pre
p.ueu : 1 may uava ..at iu;?t roaa or>e? put io me
in regard o it. out I do not rec ? iect seeing it.
(4. WaS tb* paper read in you b. ar:;lkif a. Tbe
piip*r was never read in my .caring, n .r any
pai t of 1 , aituougn tne coutt? it? mac were to os
la it ;ver ? di cu sed in my pretence.
y. unyning said to yuM u/ Mr. M ulton as
to Mr. Uoweu'a moaves or reasons ior making
sucb c. aiuts agiu .st >ou f A. 1 do not
leeousv it in tnat 10 m, tnat tn*re
Was aulrtttuif or mat autd; Mr. Huti'
tou naked medlHtinotly whether tua stories tnat
Mr. Ruwetihad 'old Air. Ti tou auil which Tlltou
repeated. were-in an* way true?wiiemer I wait
utr .iUo' itowen on accounto tuose atorles; I said
"No;" I aulii, "1 >UPly tniii to Ins lace oelore tne
whole woridthose stories 1 was not anaid of iu
the slightest degree.
Q. Hu?, air. iu what teims ilia Mr. Mouitoa ex
pnss Imuseii, ai't-r your conversation w.tu linn
m regard to Mr. Boweu'h conduct toward ou and
toward ?lr. Tlliouf a. He spoge 111 yery strung
language in coiiuemuatiou 01 Mr. Boweti's c ti
duel?ne tuouciit it to bu uesptcabi*, cruel, 1 reach
erous, uiid yi every way mean. loose woius were
not ou.y spoken, but tne? were iulmiottted.
y. Dm tie si at-* Ms views oi boweu's purpose in
setting you auaicat liiton and Hi tou agaiust you t
A. Yes, we were to have torn each otner up and
left the track clear to Mm.
y. Iu tins interview did yoa give Mr. Mouiton
a mil account oi your luterview with Mr. liowen
at Mr. Free!and's ? A. I did sir. be was horror
s'rickeu at the narration 1 gave him, and be ques
tioned ine li it was possiole.
it. \ou went to Mr. Mouiton at that time?at
the conclusion of your published statement at
the church?or the settlement between Mr. bowen
and yourseli t A. Yes. sir; 1 gave him a graphic ac
count o< me settlement arrived at between Mr.
liowen and myseli.
y. Now, in rcierence to the atatemeut made to
you by Mr. Mouiton concerning the coutents or
proposed coutents of a letter or document Mr.
lilton was preparing lor use with Mr. bowen,
were there any particulars or names or
Instances of charges against you men
tioned 1 A. l do not Know that fbev weie
mentioned in regard to their being included in
tuat document, but we were taUingoi the charges
Boweu hau wade; there was a general conversa
tion in regird to tue charges; his charges were
nieutioued and discussed, out they were not men
tioned to me as they aiterward appeared in the
letter.
y. Did Mr. Mouiton repeat tne charge that you
had confessed adultery to Bowen 1 A. Ue said
somettung of that Kind at some Interview; I
tiling I laughed; 11 1 conlessed adultery to Mr.
Bowen it .vouli be Impressed ou my miud; i said
to uim mat irom the origin oi the difficulty be
tween Mr. Bowen ana myself down to 1870, and
again to Decemuei 20, there had been several arbi
trations und many conventions b-twe -n us but
tnat Mr. Bowen never Dad any difficulty with me
but upon business, and that ne never mada a
statement to me implicating my moral character.
li KITING RID OF BOWKN.
As Mr. Beecher declared the only difficulties he
bad with Bowen were or a business character be
struck his knee with the palm oi his band, and
looted up cheerlully as though ue had straugled one
monster oi suspicion lor good and aye. Bowen had
nothing of an adulterous charge to mage, and as
the public thought he bad and that the deience
wan airald of him, the witness was delighted at
the chance oi roiling him out of the way with a
wave of bis hand.
Mr. Beecher went on to say:?Mouiton spoke of
the matter und said Mr. Boweu waa bouud to ?ee
justice done to Mr. Tilton; 1 said X was giad to see
nun trying to get justice uuue by Mouiton, and
that as he was an cxuert in business I was giad to
aee mm currying out tue matter.
q. Did Mr. Mouiton aay to you that he did not
wisit to carry the ? laiui oi Mr. 1'iiton into Court, as
It would rip up your relations wuu the lamiiy of
Mr. ill ton 1 A. No, sir.
CJ. Did Mr. Mouiton tell you that Tilton would
ratuer take wnai Bowen owed him thau rip up
your iel?tions with his family or auytuiug of that
Kind y A. No, sir.
Q. do you remember whether duriuiz this con
versation any memorandum of those polo is was
brougnioutr A. Yes, sir; I told Mr. Mouiton 1
bad souie memorandum oi the poluis that were
uude. discussion oeiweeu Mr. Boweu auu myseir
at i' teclauo's;aiter tins conversauon Mr. Muu.ton
wan ed them; 1 Uunied them up and brouguc
thejj to rum.
y. Did you deliver that paper to Mr. Mouiton at or
about that time 1 A. Yes; it was about that time
that I began to put my documents in his uanda,
this included.
y. Was tnat paper lu B wen's handwriting t A.
Yes, sir. (Paper produced.)
Mr. Evarta said tiu original paper was not be
fore tnem, but there waa an agreement between
counaei tnat a copy instead or tue original should
be used.
Tne Court?There can be no objection to your
usiug the cocy.
Mr. Evaris read as iollows
lirti? i.eport ana publish Mrmoni and lecture-room
talk.
it jfitl-Ncw *011100 Piymouta Collection and Free
lana's interest.
TMt <? explanation to church.
fourth?W rite uie a letter.
Fi/ih?Retract m every ouarter what has been said to
my injury. ,
Mr. Beecher?I took each or those points, And
told Mr. Mouiton wnat the subject oi conversa
tion was on eacn one or tiiem oetween Mr. Bowen
and myseir.
y. Did Mr. Moalton, at this stage of tbe inter
view, state to you what he proposed to do ? A.
He St/Olte wan the utmost confluence or compel
ling Mr. Bowen to disgorge; 1 understand tnat
tnat waa wnat was proposed to be done.
y. Do you remember the expression that Mr.
Mouiton usen on tb? subject oi br nging Mr.
Bowen to t?ruas* A- lhere were a good many of
tnem; 1 think it was in tnat interview he aaid
tnat no wouia bring mm to bis marrow oonas.
Bowen is tbe shuttlecock of the triaL Neither
sioe wants h.m and naitner aide has a word of
kindness to waste upon him.
GETTlMl BO WEN TO DO JUSTICE.
Mr. Beecuer? Be spoke at tnu interview or
bringiDg iir. do>ven iato some position, so that
Mr. noweD oi nimseii would do justice to Mr. lit*
ton witbout tue.e be tug any recourse to legal
pfoceediugs.
y. Do you recollect anything of tbU character
beiuz said by Mr. Moaltou 10 you lu regard to a
letter to Mr. Boweu mat Mr. lilton wauted to
puoiisu sue i letter, omitting all reirrence in it to
your tela ions witn bis utnuy r A. No, sir; tbeie
wad do sucn letter aaowu 10 me, and uo ?aca dis
cussion cuu.J have taken pi.ice.
y. Uo jou re uemD r mm (Moultou) "aymz be
a, proved oi that cuurae - a. i do ooi reco.lect it.
y. la the same uioutb 01 January, at a >aier
period, aid you uave an Interview witu M . m u.
lOBat MB nouae co u ceining aa toterview he bad
had with Mr. Lt04<*o ? A. Ves. tue next day alter
the interview, whenever it was.
y. How did tnls luterv.ew come about? A. I
ttiin?. it cam* about by my owd who ; at mis Inter
vie w 1 ga>e diui the oocumeuts ne asked lor; 1
doo't remember tnat i.e sent lor me; It was at ma
house, iq (be parlor down stairs; tan was along
aoout tbe 13th oi Jauuaiy, out i will Dot ue posi
tive.
y. What did Mr. Moui'on tell yoa la tbls later
view as to wbai parsed between m u aad Mr.
Boweu; where did lie see Mr. ?>weuf a. lie
sa * him at ma own bouse; be nai aireauy told me
tnat Mr. ttowen nau oeen invited to call a lew
days oeote; on tbat aunt ne to.d me he was
present at a tull aui long conversation between
himse.i aud Mr. Itoweu, which conversation ne
described minutely aad dramatically.
y. L?u ne auow you uow Mr. Bowen stood ? A.
Yes, aad uow be looked aod wbai be said.
y. sow. alter going tnrougn tarn matter of
yours and Mr. Bowen'-, or ou those occasions witD
Mr. Moultoo, do >ou remember tbe aubject coming
up ol your lewiiug la regard to tue wjurr y u
uad done Mr. Tiltou ? A. In tbat order o( time do
you mean f
14. soon after tbia conversation between you
and Mr. Mouiton *an tiere any suggest iou ol an
expression ol eeling on your part 01 uaviug takeu
sides against Mr. Tuiou witb Mr. Boweu f A. 1 do
not recall any.
y. State tne conversation as fully as you can t
A. He demiled to me witu a particularity tnat I
am unable to renearse here tne statement
which ue bad made to Bowen or Boweu's
treatment of Mr. Tiltou, aud of
the luismv of his couduct in pro
curing Mr. Tilton to write tne letter ol tbe Ata,
and tben take 11 and back it, aud then stand right
out rrom under aud go over to my aide; be weut
into tne matter wit 1 renan aud effectually, and
then opened on boweu ,n regara to bia treat
incut of uie in a paial.el instance 01 lnumy
almost without example; lie rehearsed to turn tne
different stories ne nad told m?, anu tuat wuea 1
bud uau interviews at one time and another witu
him he had never duel to meutiou one ol tnese
stories t) my face, out oaiy ueiiino my back, aad
tnai tn-y uever came up ex ?pt in the seitiernent
or some money difficulty wmcu uad occurred oe
twe -u as; be tneu told Bowen tnat tbe last grand
settlement uad taken place between mm aau at
Mi. >'r Aiiud'i bouse, in tbe presence of
Mr. Tiliou, ia tue early part 01 the
year i#*o; tuat at tuat time be said
you nao goue ofer every cause of offence that you
bad against bun, aud after every one 01 them uad
been dlacuaacd and a settlement amicably
edocteu; Mr. FreeianJ had come and anakeu
hanus with bom of you. and tnat you aad walked
wita Mr. Beecnerin tne streets; in tne luiniinent
01 nit prom se Had gone to tne nou.-e 01 uou; nad
there, in tne present? of nls , eo,.ie, renearsed tue
recouciiiatiou that had taken place between mm
aud >ou, and yoa went down and snook nauos
witu nitii at tne loot of the alt r, and uow that
you ci uid tell a man's irieuds na . jou nad taat
which would drive Mr. Beecner out 01 tne town in
iort>ewut nouis 11 you sbouid speak 01 it; mat 1
bad taken tue document iu my hands and nad
si.ook it in bis lace, and taat b* bad turned as
pale as a guost, anj he said,
"WHAT SHALL I DO
1 said It is not for me to ten you what yoa
sbou.d do; he said, looking up at tbe picture
banging on tae wad, "1 suaii never bj ao?e to
recogn.ze tnat mau again;" Vie portrait ?vai my
portrait or rage, tue portrait wutca was then
hanuimr there; tneu be aaia boweu was teady to
do anything: tneu I said, "Way did you not get
11? mouey oat o. btmr'' "Weil," said he, '-the
time na> not tume ,or tbat t?\ but tiut what
Uo?en -hould uo, and ougut to do, was to put
Tut n back in his old position on tue In lepeinlent.
? u beiug tae u*aai hour lor rectss, the ueurt ad
journed until two o'ctouK.
ATTXB RECESS.
Q. When Mr. Mouiton said, in answer to vour in
qui T, ?'vs'nr in tue mood be lound Boweu ne
uidu't ex ict tne m >ne- Or bring mm to me p<in;
ol paying u ,'' jou said Mr. .uouiton saia, 'fae
time r.a .n'i come >et," did ne u.tnei 'jzuia.n or
state <>r old yoa un.iers.aud wnac ne m? ?ui? A.
Nu, fir. I was perplexed by it.
<4, >ow, waeu on 111s interview be said to you
that tne proper tiling lor Bowen to do was to
put liiton baok ou the IivltptnOtixt, was
anything said oy Mouuun as to wuetner
iutou could work on tue utiriAian L'n<on? a. Not
?t mat interview. I taiuJk sir! it was uwt Or Uom
that; it belonged to ;be same period find to thai
state of tmiisrs; lie never said exjctl/ tliat; lie
spoke ?>i wha kcvaodtluaxltwou.it be u nitou
anu 1 -tiuii.o join 'urea* uu me Brooklyn Union.
Q. Wnut titU .vou repiv o thatr V. My reply
was tli f it was un tumoluie unpossibiil > ; thu c.r
cu mtaucoH surrouudinr ts it. paper at.'f the .eel
inas 01 tne persons eri>1 utf e<l iu u would not
admit o such a ti tt'soelati.'U.
y. l>? y??a rsm"ino?r inyculntr oi a visit you
m*ue wueti Mr. Mmiitou \v is seriously ill not!
luea lug Air. Tilton t'ieru and havingsoine passage
between jtuurBjii and uinr A. Wen, J renieuuer
se ?? r .: It was not an unirequ'nt thing. ,
if. Do you remember beiug there ai t'iai tluie,
when Mr. Mou.toil was regarded by you as dan
gerously Illy A. Yea.
q. W:iat time was that? A. I cannot say
whether in January or Keoruury.
y. He ore Ue went sou in.' A. Yes, sir.
Q. During that illness do you now remember
meeting Mr. Tilton during your visits to Mr.
MotiHon's uutise, w.ien ne was to very sick, ami
did anything pus* Betweenyou and him? A. 1 do
not seem to lecall anything more than tnat we
met there.
Bk EC HE It AND TII.T0N EXCHANGE THE KISS OF PEACE.
< i. Mr. lilton hasapoKeu of it us an occasion on
whicii you kissed liim on tiie forehead; do you re
meaioer anything aoout that? A. on vej, sir; ne la
Kioar within about four incuks;
lie stooped, and I kissed mm on the moutn.
(Luugiiter.) I came iroin above wnere I had seen
Frank M. Moulton was suffering Irom ibeum
alsni on the chest or heart, and 1 was
apprehensive thai It was one oi those attacks
in wulch he mucin suddenly go oir aud I felt deeo
svmpatny lor mm; when l oame uo vn stairs Mr.
'lutoa was in the parlor, and 1 met nirn and spoko
or Dun as a irlend 10 both oi us.
14. A irtend ol vours und I'll ton ? A, Yes; that is
Wi'at 1 said 01 his critical condition, ana there
were Roui't otner words interchanged, 1 do uoi
know wnat, but in the
W A HUT II OF THAT SYMPATHETIC MOMENT
we kissed each other.
y. Do you remember using any such exnresslon
as tni.? ?? 1 heodore, Frank saved my llle and I
would willingly give my lile to s.tve his t" A. No,
sir;ldou'i remember any precise language line
that; 1 recoiieci saying 1 would almost give my
Hie to save 11U.
Q. Uo j ou recollect uslnsr any expression ot
this kiud?-'Prank 1* very sick; lie is at tne edae
01 the giave, iiuj, 11 ne should die, what would
become 01 vour case aud miner" A. 1 do not re
call it.
y. 1 understood you to say distinctly that the
letter 01 Mr. ll.ton to Mr. Howeii was not shown
to >ou or road to you at au interview at that
timer A. It was not.
There was no interview at that time at
winch Mr. Tilion was present at which any such
occurrence touk placer A. No. air. not wuhm my
memory.
<4. Diu any interview occur with Mr. Tilton anu
Mr. Mouaou at tins period during January in
wnlc 1 any reltilou you uaa witu that letter or
a.iy coiinecuou wulch Mr. Tilton had in your
aff.irs was me subject 01 a conversation with
you 1 A. 1 did not know that there was a letter
till tne spring oi littiS; I knew iheie were slips in
progress and documents loriuing wmcn were to
bring a settlement. with Mr. Bowen. and a state
ment, but that 1 lo.ik on tne lorm of a letter, or
taut it was a letter mat 1 had anything to do
witn, or that 1 Knew 01 its contents, 1 nud no
more knowledge o ic, and had uo more to do witn
it iban 1 n^ve with tiunga transacting in China.
BEECUElt I'll) NOT KNOW tBAT MMIIC TUKXKK WAd
A OA.NOEKOUS I'EHdoN.
Q. Do you remember wuether at any of the in
terviews spoken 01 about tne. middle period of
January or any time 1 Hereabout, ai any interview
bet een Mr. Moultou and yonrsel', mat auytning
01 tnis kind occurred 11 t o .luoject 01 Miss Bessie
'Turner. Did Mr. Momion ten ,>ou tnat. iiltou
thougnt that Be^le lurn;r was a uangerous per
son ,0 be aooat; t.iat sue wa*< wnat lutoa termed
a lamer anu mat she kuew 01 a.I tne facts as
between Mrs. nitou and Mr. Heecner? A. No. sir;
s..au 1 give tne mil knowledge 01 Bessie
Turner
.Mr. Evarts?No, not at tins moment; a little
furtuer un ? A. No, sir, notuiutf 01 the sort.
14. Did Mr. Moulton say 10 you tnat sue womd
be oetter out ol tue way than acre, aud did vou
reply, "i tuink ho, too V" A. 1 never said it STld
1 never answereu it in any sucn way.
y. t>a> it represented to you by Mr. Moulton
that Mr. Tut.m said, as Mr. iilcoa toki him, tnat
tne best place ior her was to uo out West to
school r A. No, sir-; 1 knew notnlag 01 ner going
out West 10 school.
y. And aiu ne tell you that Mr. Tilton could not
afford 10 pay Uer expenses, anil did you sav.
' W eil, 1 wui pa> me expeuses or uo anytning eise
necessary to keep mis story down?" a. No,
notutn?c; there was no consultation with me of
auy kind or ueacripuou wwu respect to or con
ct-rning tne olsposition of ilessie luruer; iho
hrsi know.edge 1 naJ of her being i>ut West was
wueu I was called upon 10 pay her first instal
ment.
MKa. MOUSE'S LKITEB.
Q. Ia the latter pare oi January 01 ti at year an
interview has been spoken Oi ov both t, oauou
ana niton at wuica a letter oi Mr*. Morse was
bfoujjut uuu.r ccu-ddsiatiou; Uo you reuieinoer a
letter oi tuat Jtiuu received uy you ana banded
by you to Mr. .uoulton 1 A. 1 uo.
Letirr nanded t ? wuuess?y. po yoa remember
that jeuer r a. lea.
y. la receiTiug tnat letter, whit did yoa do wltb
it t A. I cained it to Mr. Mouiton.
y. Did jou uave a conversation with him on tbe
subject oi tiiat letter? A. 1 did.
y. Uiu ae reaa mat letter lu your presonc?, oe
lore aur conversation waa uad uu it ? A. lie did.
Wuat toon was sam about it; did you ass nun
for any aa?ice?did lie give jou any ? A. 1 uiu; I
a-Ked hun now tne .euer rai oe.ier be tieated,
ana ue said mat it anouid be treated uuldi)' and
kindiy.
y. Wuat did he say, tr anything, about Mrs.
Morse f A. tie aata .urs. \lur-e .vas halt crazy;
I..at sue imagiued a gieai uiaat totugs, auu tnat
sue luted inuixi're; tnat sue was m toe uatm ot
teiung stoaes or maguifyiu* luciueuts so hat
tuey uiu uot repres -in tile trutn; tuat atie was
uur.au jiacd. t xcept -ij uer love i >r tier daughter.
\Va> auytbiiiK sai l about uer Ciediouuy or
her cuargei in tue m.ier, or ner oei.e. lu auy u(
tiie.il t A. l don't it.lUk iin r : waa t .en a s,.e ittc
Ueuiai. bu. it Was assumed that tne-e Were to no
treated? mat. t. e wuoie t-ner was to oe treated
as au na.iucinauou oi Mrs. Morse; ue cuargeS
were oei.iea, ia tu .ar as tuey lespecteU Mr.
iuton talking auuut a u airs.
y. air. Muuiton au.d mat tnat waa not true ? A.
Yes, air.
y. And aiterward <)id yoa wiiie any answer to
taut Isiter t a. i aio. sir.
^Letter uuOiea to w.tueas.J Q, Waa that writ
teu <n jioui uu'a j>r aence or sjo>*u to bun? A. l
*u8reci it waa wuiteu in uts pieseuce; it u not
my papei.
y. it i? your writing ? a. Vea air; I auapeci it ia
a aaeicu wuica i d e?v up ot tne letter, wuicn ne
appioved oi; i u?u took ,t home; i never wnto
ou ruied paper.
y. it ia iu pencil t A. Yea. air.
<4. At tu.a interview or auy other interview at
w&ica toisie.ter was in* Baoj*ct oi conversation
waa Mr. lilion preseulf a. Ue waa once; ido not
Know m Uetner it waa tue Bauie interview or a
subsequent one.
<4. ai tuia inteivlew waa anything aald about
one passage lu tnat letter wn.cu impulse to Mr.
intout >atyou
fRBACHSb TO rOBTT OF TOCR MISTUK33ES ?
Was mere aaytaiu^ tu tnat le ter 01 Mrs. Morse
charging inat Mr. liitou u.iu slated hair A. Wan,
air, u tnat cuarge in dc iu mat letter?
Mr. kvaria?i oelieve not.
y. vv a there auy conve nation at either or these
interviews 01 tue tutu 01 aauuary ? if mere were,
were tneae suoj eta the uiu ter or conversation?
jars. Mor?e a .u n*r iemr, iu wu.cn it was stated
by uer tuat Mi. iuton oa>i told more or leas per
sona (i>eive peraous) oi your criminal re.atioua
wu.1 Mrs. rut our A. No. t.wre was notmug of
tnat in iba letter an 1 n>nniug in tne conversation.
H, Waa mere auy oiug s^d a >out you.' having
toid Mr. iiituu 01 ,<ny uamosrot persona 01 your
criminal relationship witu Mrs. uitonr A. Itere
waa no aucu couversauou.
y. At auy time or m auy ot those conversations,
troui tne oe, iuniug uu to tne end o Jauuary,
1871, was any nieuilou uiude in your presence uy
Mr. Muuiiou or Mr. 11.tou tha? t .ere was uny
criiniuai re.ation or ever nad oeen auy criminal
telation between yoa and Mrs. lUiour A. Mo, no;
no liufiicatl 11 ot mat aino.
(j. was tue word ??crime" used in your presence
iu regard o ?ou by euuer 01 mose'gentlemenor
in tbe pieseuce o, uu, oue eiser A. So, no.
y. Li d Mr. niton s,?y toy u ib?iyour criminal
reiationa with Mr?. niton uad oeen toia by bun to
Mr. Oliver Jonusou and otuer peraooa? A. Notn
ilig ot t.iB mud.
1 uis was oojected to, Mr. Beacb stating that the
quesuou cadeu or me conclusion 01 tne witness
witnout asKiug waat waa aald.
mr. Lvaria sai 1 it ouiy caded lor a statement
made by Mr. iuton. Mr. Mouitou waute<i to
Know 11 ne bad toid twelve persons tuat Mr.
tteecber aud M s. 11.tou had bad rrimiual reia
tious, jUI tue eucsuou w?? Wuetaer iu mat Con
versation any tmug waa said to those person* as
to crimiuai reiaii ms betwean Mr. Meecber and
Mrs. i'utoa.
Mr. iioaca?Tnat is not the question.
Mr. Beec .or?No. sir; i.iuri was uo sacb liripa
talion. iu?re i.as n?ea ?o mucii dis 'ussion tA.it I
uo not know 11 my iorm?r answer flia to tue ques
tion.
Mr. Beach?Too answered the question before 1
got in my objeCtiou.
Mr. Ueecner weut on to say mat it was stated
tna. ill Wo u repealed stories rel.tung to mm (Mr.
iieecner), but mat ue nubaequentiy rectifled me
siatemuut in quarters wne.e it was lueiy to do
lajary.
y. was anything said at th.a conversation, or
eltuer 01 tneiu, iu regard to luiormation giveu oy
Mr. liitou concerning leiations oeiween you and
Mis. li.tou?jiveu to her mother, Mrs. Morse;
w^-re jou in oruied in either m tnose conversa
tions ny air. Hitou ti.it: Mrs. Tilton nadiuioimed
Uer inoinar, Mrs. Murae oi ttie relations between
you aud Mr a niton. A. i uo not reeaU iu
y. W ere toe nam s ot Oliver Johnson or Mrs.
B'adstt^w used its ueiug tha uatne 04 persons to
wiioio .nese relations were corn iinnica.ed in tue
cou\eisatiun at tue enu <>i Jauuarr 7 A. i tmuK
not, sir; 11 they were 1 do not remember it; bo.b
or tn<r>r na i.es csmb in uter, oat I do nor recall
tneir names as being u?ed in tue conversation of
January.
y. At eitaer 01 tuose oonrersgiions was anv
tbuia said ao mt Mr. iuton naving said or re
pMi tedtaat you preach*.! to lorty mlsttesses at
your caurcu t A. No, not as late as tne end ot
January.
y. w nen did any conversation occur abour that?
A. i siiouid tniuK ia about tbe Urst two weens or
January 1 went to Mr. Muuttoa wun the statement
thai Mr. lMiuu oao mad* sura a atats.ne.it.
U. waa auyihiug saia about Mr, Joatpn Hlctt
am*?Mrs. Tilton's brother?tin vins rnrae ti Mr.
'I'llton and asked him wietner or nut lie hsa
notice i r. He coat's visits to His nonse, itrfl
wtie'tier lie was quite sure the wete a toge !i?r
01 ;t iiHs'orai ciiuru-ter. vV.is 'n?-r? tiny couver?
bitiou o tout ciiaructei? a. Uetweeu me and
whom?
Q. Ht-tween ffiv and Mr. Tfltoo? A. No, Rlr.
\V. ai an i i bi ig s.ilil to joubv Mr. TUton ol
this n iture?'hat Mi-<. Morse w a hi me story lu
ihi- way: that ane was saying. among ner lrieadi
and lauuly tnat ilieouore was in.ikiu suen aud
su li c.i'.rsrcti a^?iii-t El>zabetO, ..nil tnat ma
meiiiod oi making them wu? a very laial way of
prupa'/at n j tue charges themselves.
Objected to.
Mr. lieuctier?I do not reiueinbor any such con
vocation; It would be almost impossible lor the
statement not to oe remembered n made; 1 do nol
tiuuk tlie suiHtance 1 gor-ou< oi mo question came
up in tnat way; the statements made oy Mrs.
Morse as r. < what she uad Heard a^alust Mr. TUton
were various, but tue.> were i ut in such a way thai
1 cauuot give them detluitene-s.
Q. Whatever may or may uot have been said ID
regard to the propagat.ou of the stories, wui
li said to you eiiner by Moulton or 1'liton
that ihe story oi .tour criminal relation with
Mrs. Tiuon was being circulated by Mrs. Morse!
A. Mr. Tiltou or Mr. Moulton nev r told me dial
the story that 1 had criminal intercourse with net
daaguicr, was oeing circuiaied by Mis. Moiae)
they never told me anything of the kind; I recol
lect three letters ol tnedite ol February 7, 1871} J
remember an Interview beiore tnat date whlctt'
hud witb Mr. Moulton at his house.
y. Was the subject whether Mr. Bowen would
restore Mr. liiton to his position on tue IinlepenS
em brought un in that interne*?
Objected to.
Jiidtfe Neilaon? I would ask whether anything
was -aid u.iou that subject, and. li so, wnat. It is
rather leading, 1 tniuk.
Hy Mr. Evarts?Was there anything said, Mr.
Beecher, at this conversation, aa to whetner oi
not ?ir. Uoweu would restore Mr. TUton to the
htdependent ? A. I don't reoall it in connection
with that interview.
Q. w hat was tue commencement ot that Inter
view as you do reconnect? A. I don't know, sir;
1 don't remember wnat tne commencement was,
1 rememuer the substance ot it.
y. Well, were Mr. uiroa's relations or expecta
tions in reuard io the Independent made a subject
oi conversation?
Mr. Beach?At tnat interview?
Mr. Evarts?At thai interview.
Tne Witness?At that interview my own lmprea
sl'in is that they were not.
Q. well, was auythiug said about any othei
papers? A. Y'es, sir.
q. What was tna:? A. Well, the Golden Age wai
then uu er discussion; that TUton was going tc
have a paper lor l:imseli was the keynote, and 11
was desirable?shall i go on.
Q. Yes, go on ? A. I don't pretend to give tbi
oraer oi tiioUL'Ut nor l.tuizuage, out the body of tu?
interview ol the discussion was tuat Mr. Tiltoo
mu-t have uu orgau lor himself; ho s.ian't o?
voiceless nor pu out, and wun my influence auO
that-ol my mends and of in trends a jourua
could oe established; and ll' we were to stan<
together unlieolv, and n l would sincerely am
coidialiy aid, everything mig.it ue accomuiisheu
that was dt siraolo: at tnat. loierview ne expressed
nioro luiiy wnat he had lutuiiaiei at sever.il; thai
U-SK QUIT HINDRANCE TO TlLToN'S UAPPlNBSS
and ease ol working was, that Eliza etu didn't do
her p ut at home, and that she was discontented
and sullen, una tn.it it was impossible to expect a
man oi gt-uius? aud Mr. Moulton apo?e oi ...r. TU
ton as a man ot genius?io w<.r* nil day, lor he
said, "is It not tsr^nd, that he has just gone over
there and te.ken otf uls coit and begun io work
rignt at the bottom ng iu. as ii he had never nad
position, aud is trvlua to earu lis oread;" he
spoke of it as impossible lor a i.an oi genius to
return home at uiulit, iiui tlud ids wito
cryinsr, or sitting at Hie head o, tne iabie
s n iieu and unconversable, and that it
irritated him." Me s.nd, "ineodore Is
the easiest man to be led by his affections that
ever lived ; Elizabeth can do anttiiuix witn lilm.
and she umat do <ier part, and yun mu?t help to
make her; that was tne general lorin ol tne coun
sel, aud then ne suggested that to uotiy ourselves,
to take away all iriction, and to give to mis new
enterprise tue advantage oi p riect nuity o ieei
lng a d counsel, it ?ou j ba a go >a tmnji I
should write a letter to iil<n c>loulton) lor nun to
show to Mr. Tliton, ex ressive committing
myseif on paper to tne expresrlon oi my cordiality
toward him, and also a letter io Mrs. Tition, With
wtiom I had more influence, he said,
than any living oeing, in order to bnug
her under Mr. Mouitoa's Counsel, whicD
would tie concurrent witu my counsel and jtidg
ments arid so the iamily would oe orouaht in aud
Mrs. liiton would make a happy homo lor him; 1
would help him, Frank wouiu help and irieodi
would heli> him, aud with ids p iwet and extierl
ence and skill ne would have a journal t iat w .a.d
be heard oi all tnrougu thelauu; I thought ll
wasn'. uu unwise ula*.; 1 wrote the letters io nltn
and to her, and put them In Mr. Mouliou's hands.
Now >ou ncvesiiosen heretoloie. Mr. Beecner,
of Mi. Moultou's saymg that tne proper thing to
be dene, to be aimed at, wai that Mr. Bowen
should put Mr. Tliton back on the Independent
Previous to ibis conversation wnicn you now
speak oi, had you heard in nuv w?y irom Mr.
Moulton whether that expectation or plan
had or nad not oeen aoandouuii ? A. He told me
in the interview loiiowin: his interview with Mr.
Bowea that be had made tnat suitgesiioo to Mr.
Bowen. and tnat Mr. Bawen had not i ejected it.
but S lid ne didn't see bow uow it conid be?now
he could pot him back.
y. Yes, and tnl? had preceded yonr conversa
tion auout the new paper ? A. That wa' a con.
ver-anon somewnere a ?out the 12th or IStB, and
tuts was t'eoruary, just beiore t' e 7th.
Mr. Evarts (aside)?No* these letters, what
are tne nurnoers oi tnein ? We have got tnen
net e on the uotes? two oi tnem nere,
io witue-s?Now Mr. Uedcber, there wai a
ttt.rd letter of Mr. Tiltun to Mr. Mouitou.
io counsel tor de.ence?Can 1 have those lea
tcrs?
Mr. Morris?Wfiat are the numbers?
Air. Porrer?Niue, ten, and t-leveu.
Mr. Evans? (snowing paper* to witness) ?
Plrnse s i? n tnose are the two tetters wric i >oa
wrote? A. Ye* sir; tn.u one (indicating); :nn
ol? to Mr-. Tiiion aiso.
q. Now here is a tmrd letter from Mr. Ttltoti to
Mi. Mou ton ul tne sa ?e uate. look at mat
and "av whetner vou saw in.it at or ab ot (lie lima
01 lta date orwneu or me 0 at? A. I ca i't ?af
cerrainly?fhougn I tmnlt?wnet ier 1 sav it im
mediately a<ter mat: there was do concurrent
Interview following u.e writing o mese le.iers.
Q. >o Interne* in wuic , tlie tb.rd was, yon
mejut A. AO. sir.
q And roar letters, jour two letter ?. wers
written independently oi seeiug ibla? A. Yes, sir,
wit(i<'Qt seeing mat at all.
q. Tuia letter, Mr n?ecnerto Mrs. Tllton, beg?oa
la 'ui* way?"My dear Mrs. in ton, when 1 saw yon
last,
i ntDN'r expect ever to *er Tor aoaiv,
or to be alive many day*. ?;o-i wa? Kinder to m?
tiun weie my una thouzit*:" wnen was m?
last time, prior to tun 7tb Oav of Feoruar>. yog
had seen Mr*. l'tlt >n t A. I s. ppose l baun't seea
bor since the interview of Dec uit?er 30.
q. Yes. well toat is yoar rec li cMon* A. Thai
is oiv recoiiectlon ot tne purport of mis o^auiug
sentence.
y. And of lb* fact that yon badn't seen barl
A. t ?m, sir.
Q. Ana von ussd this expression. "When 1 H?
you ia.it I didn't expect ever to see yon strain, or
to be auvs tnanv ?lay*:" waat was tn^ra in yonr
situation tuat led you to have >m nn jre?a.ou oi
that hiioi tnesa oi your titer A. l n.it was me snorv
ness or r?otn our lives, si ; she looked to me lik?
oni a.reidy oesposen tor by Uoa's angel*; in *n?
terrible trial to wnicli 1 was -uojected. tne flery
exc lenient, it didn't seem to me I cou.d livs
Ion if.
q. An l in that view it was or ber life and yont
own feeiinga mat you wrote tbat expression? A.
Yes, sir.
q. in conceding this letter, Mr.Biecber, you anv.
??Tins is *ent with Tneodore's consent, but he baa
not read liwas that a tact, as you understood
it, tnat Mr. Tilton n id not read tne letterf A.
Yes. sir; I understood it <o, ont tbat Close was tbt
suggestion 01 Mr. Moulton.
O. Weil, 1 was goiug on to the next sentence?
"Wilt you return It to me i?y hii bsnd ? 1 am very
earnes in tula wish tor Mil our *aKea, lor viar lew
ter ou/nt not vo be subject to even toe chance of
miscarriage." Was tnat clause tne subject oi
conversation between yon and Mr. Mom on in tlia
preparation of (be letter, or in devising me law
ter r A. It was.
q. And wa* inserted in f A. It was a sug
gestion of bis, wmcu 1 carried out; I can give yon
th" reason* stated
q. S'a ed by Mr. Moulton t A. Yea, sir.
q. Well, what did lie say in tnat connection t A.
1 csn't ir ve you What ne said; l can give you wna?
be sngsested.
q. Wen? A. That hllzabetn wonld likely not r*
ceive tne document irom Mr. niton's band: tbf
Idea was il sne t'tough Mr. Tilton and I nad got
up this lerter together it would not nave anv in
fluence wun ner, and we had better suggest t?
her that he bad uot sren it, tnat it was my lettat
ana wa- my jndgment.
q. And tnat was tne fact? A, Tbat was tbe
fact; at lea?i *o tar as 1 know.
q. And men, as to tne return of tbe Utter, yon
leir m; letter wun Mr. Mouitoo? A. I gave tb?
letter to Mr. Moult >n tor dis,io?al, to bs sent bf
Mr. filton, spparemiy.
Mr. lie ten?To oe returned by Mr. Tilton.
Mr. Ev.irts?"Tni* is sent with roeodore'a con
sent"? A. Yes.
q. flow do you know or how were you adviaad
as to ti,at* A. Mr. MouiMn-that la. .wr, niton
consented thai. 1 stiouid write tu? etter to bia
wite; tnat is tne general design, but be didn't sea
tbe lener.
q. And it was through Mr. Moulton tbat you re
ceived tnat inform:ti nf A. Yes, sir.
q. mat Mr. I ilton consented and by hi* advic*
this letter wag written.' A. Yea, sir.
q, I uciieva tnat is all we ne-a oi those letters.
Mr. Ueecner, wav-dio you request of Mr. Moulioa
to irer Mr. Tuion's permission to write thai
lei ter? A. No, air.
q, Fro-n wnom did tbe communication on tbat
suojeci first pr ceo i* A. Mr. Moulton was tne en
giuuer o tue wtioie oraceeding.
q. Mo?v, in regard ro anv anangement or agree
ment mat ton Mould not ti in anr communication
wun Mrs. riiton. any oorresp nneuce witn Mr^
Tilton. ho* did thui ati-e, ti rnere wasanr'.Uittg
ot tne kind? A. li uiun'c arils; tnera never was
anv such arrangement.
q. what was said t done by you In that cotine?s
tion, il anyuiiog? A. I aiwavs said a was su na
p up -r tuing tor me ueisonail/ to a t in tins maw
ter with Mrs. i'lltou; I was .u several occasion*
(li was sugaestea as a ua n a tu:n< oy Mr. Moaw
ton mat i ithouiu see nerj: 1 os.nuej alwavs.
q. Waatwsa suggested br .ur. .?vui ou f A.
| Tnat i Sboaid brtug my mdatucs io bear optttt