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Hup mm poiiTics.
General Denunciation of the Boston
Third Term Speech. ,
Statements from Methodist Ministers of Boston,
Philadelphia and Baltimore.
THE TRUE STORY.
The Bishop's Presidential Support
Promised Long Ago.
Six Hundred Preachers Indorsed
and Sustained It.
APOLOGISTS AND JUDGES.
Is the Methodist Church Committed to
Grant's Renomination ?
MASSACHUSETTS EXERCISED.
TOWS OF METHODIST MINISTERS ON THE THIED
TERM SPEECH? EVERYTHING NICELT AR
BANGED TO HEI.P THE "FRIEND O* THE
COLORED MAN" IN THE SOUTH.
Boston, Dec. 14, 187S.
Those enthusiastic third term utterances of Bishop
Ullbert Haven, at u Methodist gathering In this city, lust
week, seem to have stiried up the advocates und
opponents of Cxserism ail over the country. The
Bishop in a very clever fellow, of avcruge worldly intel
lect and the period embodiment of Methodist Christi
anity, as his exalted position in the church Will indicate
sut it was never believed of hun that he would beconro
;he renowned political hero which lie tlnds himself to
day. Indued, it is hard for his old friends to realize that
it if the same jolly, auburn-haired "Gil Haven," who
lived out in Maiden, who has now developed Into
llic eminent pioneer and chieltain ol' that band of relig
ious patriots whose mission it is to make Genera]
Brant his own Presidential successor in 1870. The clr
sumstanco aptly illustrates the truth of the old adage,
iiat some men uro bom great, some achieve greatness
ind some have greatness thrust u|r>u them. This
juigma sort of a saying, it should be added, Is
squally applicable to the President and the Bishop, but
.t is lelt to the public to determine under which head
cither one or both should be classified. .
what SUUK MKTUOUIST PKKACUKHS THINK.
It is the custom or the Methodist preachers ol Boston
ind vicinity to assemble once a week for the purpose
>1 formally discussing some chosen subject bearing
ipon the prosperity and wellare of Methodism. Their
Heelings are held in the famous Wesleyan Hall, in
3romfleld street, and here it was that the Hkbald cor.
respondent found u hundred or more of the clergy in
:ouncil to-day. 1 had confidently anticipated that the
tubject for discussion on this occasion would be the
eiuarkable address Which was delivered by Bishop
iaven last week. In this I was disappointed, how
ever, for the matter in dispute was whether the cause
of Christianity is promoted or retarded by Sunday
:amp meetings. The discussion waxed warm lor up
ward of two hours, and then the subject was laid over lor
further consideration next week. When the meeting
bad dissolved there were numerous circumstances in
dicating that .
THIRD TKRMISM AND BISHOP UAVKX
was the matter uppermost in the minds of many of the
preachers. Indeed, several had hoped it would have
been formally brought up before adjournment, and it is
not impossible that it may yet form a topic of discus
sion at some future session. While it is undoubtedly
true that a very great majority of the Methodist clergy
men are in favor of giving General Grant a neW exccu.
tlve lease of the White House it is also equally certain
that a few ure indignant that Bishop Haven should be 1
?opularly credited with the leadership.
Tut ZJO.V'g HIKALi) EDITOR OS Til K RAXPAUK.
Among thoso thus inclined to discourage tho threat
ened importance of the Bishop's famous address none I
ire more emphatic and outspoken thau Bradford K.
Peirce, the accomplished editor of Zion't I/trald, the
itandard and recognized Methodist organ of New <
England.
"That speech of Bishop Haven's," he said, when in
terrogated by your correspondent, "ha* been most
shamefully exaggerated all over the country. As an
txpresnion of tho Methodist Church oil the matter of
Seneral Grunt lor a third term n amounts to nothing?
lotbuig whatever, sir; nothing.''
'-I suppose the Bishop uttered the words attributed
tt> him r"
"Weil. I don't know what ss attributed to him exactly,
except tbal a Philadelphia paper represented that lio
nominated General Grant ior the third term, and that
the nomination was indorsed enthusiastic ally by the
Methodists, and this has been copied extensively in the
Sow York and other paper- all over the country. It
carries the impressiou that tho <|uestiou oi nominating
Ueneral *? runt was properly bclore the meeting, and
that it was decided unanimously in the affirmative. It
was no such thing. 1 will tell vou how it was:?The
bishop was making a speech on another subject?some
thing about protection lor tbe Ireedmon ot the South?
and in the course ot hid remarks lie coinphmented
'Jeneral Grant lor guarding their rights, and linally
laid that he hoped to see luui renominated and re
dacted. After this remark ho continued his speech on
.he subject under consideration, thus showing that his
illusion to General Grant was simply incidental. Tliero
*as no cheering or throwing up oi' h?ts, atbubtoa
lescribed, and what little enthusiasm there was I look
jpou us more complimentary to Bishop Haven than
?ny one else."
"Have you published anything about tbe matter in
Zitmt Hrrald t" 1 asked.
"No; but 1 shall this week. I shall simply say that
the whole thing has been exaggerated and magnitled in
t most ridiculous manner."
TUB BISHOP STILL KIIMTIXO.
In the course of my conversation with Mr. Peirce he
nlormed me that lie bad just received a letter from the
Bishop in Syracuse in which he explained what be said
U the Boston meeting. This explanation, as uuder
itooiiby your reporter, was that me Bishop asked the
brethren at the meeting to
mar fob thk bkomixatiow or vumt <;ra>t,
and pray they did. He also stated in his letter that the
nomination had been well received In Syracuse und
other places which he had visiteil since leaving Boston.
THK MATTKIt IX THE HOOK CO*? ! K.V
Down in tho Methodist Book concern. under
Wesleyan Hall, most of the preachers assemble after
participating in the discussions ot the forenoon. ? In a
commercial sense it may be termed a sort of Methodist
Kxchange. Many ot these gathered tin- attornoon en
gaged in conversation on tho matter of Bishop Haven s
speech.
Or. I'pbam, of I.yno, with whom your correspondent
taljted, declared th?t there was a greut deal more sig
nificance in the Bishop's ipeech than many of the
prescners cared to admit. He did not think that tho
nomlnution, as made by him, was altogether "inci
dental" Un the contrary, ho believed tbe utterance
to have been deliberately premeditated, and he knew
that the majority of tbe preachers shared iu the same
belief.
AXOTHKK TnttUI TKRJf SPKtl'lI.
Oae of tbe preachers reminded your correspondent
that the patriotic llishop made a third term speech
town In Kaneuil Hail on ttie Saturday evening f>re
Tedtng the late StMte election. He cume out boldly and
laid that ho hoped to -ee General Grant renominated,
>nd the remark was reeen with u low hisses. ,\t
these manilestationf the Bishop said that at tbe last
election he did not vol.- lor linii.t, as a great many of
his Hearers had done, but within the last lour years lie
had seen his mistake, and now he was going to atipport
him if he had an opportunity The fame tni^ was
addressed by President Minor, ot Tutt's i diege, and
Wendell Phillips, both ot whom are solid third termers.
"TI?K Tit IK srilKV.
Having discovered in my perambulations around the
Weslevau Building that there was a division ol opinion
as to bow tho Bishop happened to liecome so enthusi
asllc in his adniiratlon lor President Graut, I endeav
ored u> get at the truth of (be atlair. 'I he Bishop him
sell being absent in Western New York u was Impossi
bte to get his version of the utlair, and then-lore I
waited upon the Itev. W. Hamilton, pastor ot the
>'.rst Method.-i Church, hi 1'i-mple street, where the
celebrated address was oelivered.
"The occasion," explained Itev Mr Hamilton, "was
a meeting of tbe Methodist preachers, who were there
by invitation, and tie' Tract Society was also present i>y
invitation of the preachers. There were not le>s ihuu
Sl\ III StlRK.O I'Ki SKXT.
and the majority ot the in were Methodist fiiinisiers, "
"Was the speech Incidental or was it pre-arranged
1 asked.
"That apoech of Bishop Haven'a," answered Premh r
Hamilton, "was a mailer of appointment and wua de
termined upon fully three week* heiore and by my own
suggestion. It grew out ot ?atatement wInch' had I e n
inaue In the preachers meeting by one of tn? lirst in. in
kers oi the \ietbodisi Kpiscopal Church South-?the III si
authorized representation ot the Southern Methodists
since the war?concerning the condition ot the loiored
Methodists in the Southern States, and was the result
[ or a common desire to hear directly una more in detail
from (he Bishop himself the actual londiliou ol allair*
within hi* Jurisdiction. 1 ought to explain." rviitl^unt
Mr. Hamilton, "that it ht<i been slated that Iti.-hop
Haven coiilil not be mvitoil t? occupy any ol (iut pulpits
ol Ins denomination in I lie South, ami that u Methodist
minister of a colored church could uoi t?u fraternally
treat) d hy a Southern pa-tor of the Mclhodist
Church. Now, us 1 said belore, it was the
Intention ol the p'leuchers then assembled
to get from llishop Haven a pergonal account of affairs
III the Southern state* in relrrence to the Methodist
Church. His address wus delivered at the clone of the
tract conference in the Temple church, anil the lino or
Ins thought was tho treatment ul the coloreil man
by the Southern people, uml of the Methodist
Church in particular on account ol Ha interest
ill (he wcllari' of tho colored race. Toward
the close 'of hi* spcocli the Itikhop caul, with
much warmth, that there Was no man more respoetod ,
at the South than tho one who ha>l conquered the
Southern people, ami no mail could better protect tho
i interests of the colored people than the man who had ;
set them ireo, and lie believed that man would never
compromise their Interests. The Bishop hoped, iu
view ol these lacts, that tho Methodist preachers
would never go hack on their own record and disre- |
jtard the colored man by throwing him overboard, lie
tlieu said that he personally desired the re election of
Ulysses S, Grant, and he believed it to be the duty of
the Methodist preachers to pray for bis re election.1
"Well, what followed alter this?" I asked.
"At the conclusion of the speech Rev. I?r. Sherman,
the presiding elder of the Boston district, made a mo
Uou, iu effect, that the preachers had listened with
ri.KASlKK ANO AWKOVA1
to the address of Bishop Haven, anil ho called for a
rising vote, inviting all present to participate in tho ,
voting. As I said beiore, there were fully 0U0 present, j
aud not a couple of hundred, us you liuve been In- '
iortued. When the vote hud been declared in the
affirmative someone iu the audience culled loudly for
the negative vote. At this lie v. l?r. Woodruff, of Full
River, ar lae and said that he hoped there would be no
negative vote taken, as they ull knew thut the motion
was Intended as a compliment to the Bishop. A rising
vole on the question of making Dr. Sherman's motion
unanimous was then tuken. and the best evidence that
the vote was unanimous was the tact that when the
negatives were called lor not u single person stood up. ;
There was considerable of playlulness in the proceed- !
ings all through," added Mr. Hainiltou, "and the seri
ousness of tho mutter lias only been formed by the
prominence which the newspapers have given It."
TDK MKTIIomsr CHURCH.
"But is it not u fai t, Mr. Hamilton," 1 asked, "that
the uiujorlty of the Methodist preachers throughout the
country are in luvor of a third term tor General Grant 1"'
"I will lull you how tliut is. It is much the same
with the preachers us it is with Bishop Huvcu. Ho is
opposed to the third term on principle, but yet he Is in
luvor ol the re election of Generul Grant, und the sumo
is undoubtedly true ol the great body of Methodist
preachers throughout the northern and'westeru States.
J.lite Bishop Haven, they think that there is no man
who will so zealously guurd the interests of the colored
race as General Grunt. There may, in tomo cases, be
oilier reasons why our denomination will support him,
but that advanced by Bishop Haven Is the chief one."
POWkit ANO IXKLl'KM'K UK TIIK VIIL'HCU.
Further on in ourconver ut.ou Mr Hamilton suid that
here iu Boston the strength of Methodism in the
United States was not understood outside of its owu
denomination, and huice it was thut the boston press
hud utluched to little importance to this address of
Bishop Haven. Mr. Hamilton declared to himself
w hen the remarks were made that they would creute a
sensation throughout the country, and he was not sur
prised thai his prediction had been verified. The
s:reugth and power ol the Methodist Church, he said,
wore immensely beyond those ol any other douotuinatiou
lit America, and were constantly gaining. Its great
loot hold, he expluined, was in the West and South,
und hence it was thai its itilluenco is so lilllo appre
ciated here in New England.
IXT1CKKST TIIKOUGIIOL'T THE COL'XTIlV.
Kev. Mr. Hamilton said tl?at he wus Hurpn^ed at the
leeliug which the speech ol the Bishop had stirred up
throughout the country. His daily letters now upon
the subject, he said, were becoming 10 numerous ibut
it was with diltlcully helound time to attend to them
-V (iu"? lr""' P-rts ol the country, and the ma
jority of them are Irom Methodist preachers.
A UfTTKH I'UuM HISIIOI' HAVKX.
Among those which lie had received this mornintr
was une irom Bishop Haven, at Syracuse. The BIhIioii
was inclined ,to ho jocose o'ver the sen.atio!! ho hud
created, but he s?.,i seriously that lie hoped ibe Metho
dist preachers would not go back on their record -all of
which mean* that ho hopes they will pi a. ior the re
nomination ka I re-election ol' General Grau'. The
Hisbop also stated in Ins letter that he had written ?
communication to a New York journal which he thouchi
would please his friends.
V1KWS OK AS KX-COXOltliSSMAX 1RKALUKR.
I four.4 He v. Mark Trultou. of Urooklno. formerly a
member of C ongress liom the Western Massachusetts
district, inclined to look u,?n the multcr J th*
Ilishou s speech in the light ol a huge joke. '-It lias
?ha! *? UI' '?>' ll"- newspapers," he said, "and
? (r?i "V* ?'"'king about. If it was regarded as
worth) ol notice by the preachers they would probablv
ha\o discussed it at the.r meeting to-day "
, ...Brr T,H,? fATTIEK WILI. UK AOITATKI).
Notwithstanding the insianitici a e which Mr. Traftou
and a lew others of the preachers attach to the ques
tion, 1 am persuaded m the belie! that it will yet be the
theme ol continued discussion not onlv hy the preach
er* ol ho'ton and vicinity, but by Methodist elejgvmen
throughout the country. In fart, I shall bo greatly
mistaken il the matter is not precipitated upon theiu
at the very next meeting of the Boston preachers.
VIEWS OF PHILADELPHIA METHO
DIST PKEACHEKS.
? GXNEJIAL DES1BE TO CONDEMN THE SPEECH
AND EXCUSE THE SPEAKER.
I'litLAiiBLPHi.i, Dec. 14 1874
The unanimity with which the Methodist clergymen
of this city, over a hundred in number, agree in con
demning the extraordinary conduct of Bishop Gilbert
Haven in his mil apropos nomination of President
Grant for a third term, is conclusive proof he has out
raged tho lcelings ol the Methodists of this portion of
the country. I have spoken with scores of the clergy
of his denomination upon the Bishop a opening Presi
dential campaign, but have not lotind one who at
tempted to Justify It. Personally ho is evidently re
gurded with aflcctlon by his brethren, but tbero is a
decided tendency to praise his motives while very em
phatically disapproving of his judgment. His name is
generally mentioned with that peculiar smile and shrug
which so expressively says, "Oh, well, he's a good fol
low; hut, you know .? As will be seeu from the
conversations given below, almost every man desired
to excuse and condone Ihe Bishop s offence, and to
throw the mantle or charily around the utterances of
one whom tbey seemed to regard as well meaning and
sincere, but impulsive. He appears to stand uuique
among bis brethren, and but little surprise was ex
pressed at the indiscretion of this ecclesiastical Hotspur,
whose sincerity they love, but at whose Juugineut they
shrug the shoulders and shako the head.
It is noteworthy that a very large majority of the
Methodist clergy o! th s neighb >rhood-scven tenths,
one of the gentlemen hlmseir stated it to be?are
urdenl admirers and supporters of President Grant
and would bo willing to vote lor him again for another
term. But this is said to be because the Methodist
Church here has always been au anti slavery and re
publican Church, and it is due to the common sense of
even (iranfg most enthusiastic advocates srnong its
clergy to say that they, one and all, indignantly de
nounced the idea of Identifying the Methodist Church
or any portion of It, with a movement for the nomina
tion of President Grant or any other candidato for any
political olllce. There was such a gratifying
CXANIMlrV
in the opinions expressed upon the Bishop's acllon
that the statements of only a few of the roverend gen'
tlemen need be given. Those w ho.e names follow are
only some of many, others could easUy be quoted
but they would only repeat what is below set forth'
In some cases the affectionate regard Tor the erring
Bishop was so great as lo make the "interviewed" re
luctant to give their outspoken opinions, and many ru
iu e I to aud their names to swell the ranks or those
who have been compelled lo regret hit conduct Some
it will be seeu, denied that the B,shop had done as
charged, claiming that the reports In the secular press
were untrue, and the card of Br. Vincent was referred
to its contradicting the story.
AX IMPORTANT TIIIXO.
Rev. R. M. Hat Held, I). B., or the Arch street church
one or the most prominent clergymen ol his denomlna!
tlon in Philadelphia, s.id:-' lt is contradicted that
Bishop Haven really nominated Grant for a third term
and that tho meeting indorsed it. i nnnk V(||J
will find that lo be the case. If he did
so, it was an imprudent thing to do. The
Methodist Church Is not a political Church. It would
be the last to support any such action or one ol its
bishops, ir he did so it was upon his own nsponsi
billty General Grant is not a member of the Metho
dist Church; be Is only an attendant. Although prolw
bly the majority of our ministry iu this neighborhood
ha\e voted lor him, it was because he was a republican.
11 you usk my personsi opinion, I say I am in favor of
a third term, and if Bishop Haven says ihe same thing
?l>,ni"D ?* "" individual; but
b vend this he cannot go. It would be very mjtldl
ious lor him lo nominate a President at a church
meeting, and would be the very thing t., prevent
? r un s re . lection. You can depend upon k thai if
Bishop Haven did nominate Grunt lie did not net as the
^K"d?' v,y. """,r
ML. degree. I do not alia, h ihe smallest im
a man''filhi n"lt r' ,V"U Know what kind or
mail ilHtiop Hmv?'U Im, dotTl vim* Then v?mi nm
^ iroV.rVriv1'?!!"1''''Uwl 11 ,ro'"
wo. .1 . ? r r",,r'" Methodist Church
ITlVe vdti u "" lor a mornet t. I vs ,11
Cf*riMiii ii! ii - 11 yfur# ny?? m this ritv u
ciary ucket Vn, pubi;^'^oi'T m'T"' " ' l"" ^
up with hi* ptrr^r,lj r
Weil, that was not expressed, I beliere. But every
I Methodist va.- indignant Many stopped their papers
hi once, aud the man vu uot elected. N">, mr, our
Church in not ttpolilirult tiuri.il. It will not tolerate
such interlcrctice II Hishop Httvou. who is a tfoud
1 man, witli ilie host motives. lull very radical, lias dune
! as you tay dcp? ml upon il bo will no* l>e supported."
! SOT A ruUTK'AL CHI HCIL
The Rnv. Thomas A. Kerulcj, ol iho Paul street
I church, K run Word. was very earnest Id regretting the
act ion ol Hi-hop Haven. Ho wihI:?"The Method!*
' Church 18 uot a political Church, alul Iho CMdud of
any bishop or otlner of our deuominaltoii who brings
Kucha matter belore a Church ifutlicrmar, orwhoen
deavors mi auy way to associate us. a- a Church, win.
any political movement I regard us very nidisarMl and
iin fortunate 1 exceedingly regret what has happen..I
and am most anxious t" assure tlio people ol thin
. nuniry outside ol our Church- -it lit y do uot know it
already lhst Methodists will not indorso any such
policy. la what Hishop Haven .-aid he moat assuredly
did not art an iho voiee of any party in our Church.
On the contrary, every Methodist whom 1 hare talked ;
with disavows and deprecate* such a < ourse. No; 1 do
not think the Bishop's conduct mean." any- ,
Hung but tho expression of his own wi-bes.
The preachers' meeting* (belore one of which
hia speech woa given) are uuolllclal bodies They
are not recognized In the discipline ol our Church. At
them the clergy come together solely as individuals,
not as the representative* of their respective charges,
and whatever they may do carries no otllcial weight.
Our Church woul.l be the last to give its otllcial sanc
tion to any nomination lor political offlcc. In what I
have said I think you will flml that 1 am supporlod by
the opinions ol others. The Bishop's conduct was un
wise. ''
A CONTRADICTION.
Tho Rev. S. W. Thomas, Presiding Klder of tho Sus
qucliahua district of Penusyh an ia, said, emphati
cally:?"1 deny the thing, sir, in tutu. Bishop Haven
lias beeu Incorrectly rep iom> tiled. Did not you see Mr.
Vincent's cant? The Hishop never nominated Gruut
lor a third term. He was speaking ol the condition of
the .South, and may have expressed his desire }o sou
him re elected, but 1 do uot believe he weut so far us
to nomiuate linn."
1 ho litu.u.u correspondent ventured to remind the
Klder that the published proceedings or the meeting iu
the Boston papers not only gave the Bishop's words,
in which he besought his brethren to pray lor Grant s
lenotiiiUHllou, but also reported a resolution advocating
u third term, which was declared to have passed unani
mously.
?Well, it Isn't true. Mr. Vincent's card explains
what was done at tho meeting. Tho resolution that
was passed was one merely thanking the liisbop lor
Ins address. Tho Hkkai.d has done an injustice lo
Bishop Simpson in reporting him as expressing a hope
lor a third term. Il tliey quoted l'rom a 1'hiladclphia
paper, you know what the character of that paper is.
No; the meeting ol ministers was not a representative
body. They had no status except as individuals. They
would have no right to discuss the third term question,
nor auy other |K>iitical matter. A preachers' meeting,
at which this action is said to huve been lakou, is not
recognised In the discipline of the Church. It is not a
representative body, and when preachers attend it they
do so as individuals."
WHOM UK ntCl'KKSKNTKD.
The Rev. C. F. Turner, Presiding Klder of the South
Philadelphia district, upou Irtiing asked what the Bos
ton meeting meant aud whom he thought Bishop Ha
ven represented in Ins action, said, smiling:?"Oil, ho
represented Bishop Haven. We ull know the Bishop.
He luiprudeutly gttve utterance to his political opinions
at the wrong time and place. Thai's about all the sig
nilkance there is in the matter. "
'?NOT WORTS ATTKNTIOX. "
Rev. John Walker Jackson. I). 1)., of the Kbenezer
church, thought that the matter was uot worth tho at
tention that was being given to it. He did not see why
Ihe newspapers should rinse such a commotion about
what Bishop Haven is reported to have said at thu
Boston preachers' meeting.
'?Suppose a Catholic priest had said it?" inquiringly
and mildly suggested the "interviewer."
"Well, 1 don't tee how there could be much more of
an excitement than there Is now. But there is nothing
in the story. Dr. Vincent's card in the Tribune contra
dicts the thing.'' l)r. Jackson said, however, that if
the Bishop did as reported he acted Improperly, and
certainly did uot represent his Church.
OHLUilfD TO DISAPPROVE.
The Rev. W. C. Itobinson did not wish to say much
oil the matter. He heard what Dr. Jackson had said,
however, and was of idc sumo way ot thinking. Meth
odists were opposed to mixing uhurch and )>olitics. and
he did not see how tho Bishop could expect any sym
pathy or support. This gentleman, like several with
whom the wrner spoke, hardly seemed to oe aware of
the importance of the question the Bishop's move has
raised, and ol the consequent excitement anl alarm in
the world outside the Church.
SAVE UK FlloM MY PRIKNDH.
The Rev. J. r. Chaplain said:?"My llrst thought on
reading it was thai President Grant might well exclaim,
?Suva me Ironi my Iriends!' If Bisnop Haven desires
to have President Giant re-elected In; has lakeu the
very meats to prevent it. I regard His speech as inju
dicious, bill very characteristic ol the Bishop, who is
an impulsive man."
"Does he represent any portion ol the Motbodist
| Church in his third term advocacy t"
"Certainly not. (Kmpbatically.) The Methodist
Church is not a political Church, sir. But (smiling)
everybody knows Bishop Haven. No, sir; I have not
talked with very many other ministers on tbe subject,
but 1 have uot louud one who approves ol his course."
"WKLL, WK OOX'T KNOW."
The Rev. M. H. Sisty said at llrst, "Well, we don't
know, but tunc inuy show ihe Bishop lo be right,"
i when the correspondent asked him bis opinion of
Bishop Haven's reported action. Ho continued at
some lougth to expatiate upon tho possibilities that
> might arise which would make it expedient to elect
Grunt lor u third term. He bad voted lor him, and he
! would again. The reverend geutlcinau did not seem to
comprehend, without considorablo explanation, thai
1 his opinion was wan ed as to the propriety of the Bish
op's conduct in nominating u President at such a tlrno
aud place. When he lully understood this to bu the
great question, Mr. Sisty coincided with his brethren
in thinking it injudicious. His language was not quite
as positive as theirs, however. As to whether the Bishop
, represented others: W ell, he didn't know, '-but there
might be a good deal behind it. There might be a very
strong party in the church who?"
The reporter was becoming interested.
'?See here, now, brother, interrupted two clergymen
standing near him, "how do you know thai? Are you
sure f"
?'Oh, no," said Mr. Sisty, deliberately. "I only i
i thought that there might be ."
"Well, brother, then you should be very careful what |
you say about It."
'?Do you approva of disapprove of Bishop Haven's
action y" a*ke<i the reporter.
"Oh, I disapprove. I meant to Bay that."
Jocll.Alt.
The Kcv. G. W. Macloughliu thought that the whole
matter was popularly misunderstood. ''1 have no
doubt,'' said, he, "that the Bishop .-poke In a Jocular
inauuer. I don't think it ?a< really a nomination.
Anybody that know* Hishop Haven would understand
the thing. 1 think the people are needlessly alarmed [
about it. Of course, I think it wan wroug In him."
politics in tub cHi m it not tolkrateu.
I The Kev. T. Ptincn tiptvuted Iiim views to the
name etlei t as Ins associates. There wan no parly in 1
the Methodisl t'hureh engineering tor the election of
tiradt, or any man, he thought. Such a thing would
not be tolerated. Methodists would not submit to being
dictated to a* to whom they shall vote lor. Their
Church always had been Tree from such influences. He
quoted the circumstance referred to by Dr. Hatileld,
about the candidate lor the Judiciary, whose election
eering circular* were sent out with ? Methodist news
paper. a scheme which nearly killed the newspaper and
the politician too.
Tim MKT1IODIST MINISTRY KOK GRANT.
Kev. John Kuth, Moral Instructor In the Eastern
Penitentiary, disapproved ol the action ot Bishop Ha
ven. As lar as lie (the spoaker) was concerned, he was
in lavor ol a third term lor Grant. He was a little
monarchical in his views, inasmuch as he believed in
giving to our government more stability by electing
our rulers lor long terms. We were shaken up by elec
tion too frequently. Ho sup|>osed Unit seven tenths of
the Methodist ministry here were republicans and
would vote for Grant. Hut their personal opinions
were of uo consequence. >o Methodist minister would
dare lo inierlere in politics, and uo Methodist church
Would submit to aucii dictation.
1 he Kev. M l? Kurt)!, ol Norristown, was of the gen
i eral mind. He excused the Hishop, however, Irotu
wrong Intention and thought that he did not realize
What the consequences of his act would be.
Hut enough ban been given to show the feeling of
Philadelphia Methodist.-. Expressions such as tlie
above could he multiplied by the score. Every minu
ter whom your ?oriw?ponu?nt could ilnd professed to
believe that the action oi Hishop Haven was outof pluco
and unwise. There were also others who declined to 1
giro any public expression or their views because of
their (flection lor the churchman whose unprecedented
action has brought this storm about his ears.
OPINIONS FBOM BALTIMOBK.
haven's hpl'.lit "H DIMOl'SSEO WAltMI.T AT A
WEEKLY MKKT1NO?A CON DEM NATOIIT ItKHO
LUTIOS?VIEWS OF THL CLEBOT.
Bai.timokm, Dec. 13. 1875.
Baltimore, as a rule, is eminently conservative. The
ear of the people does not readily 'iiiunc itsell to popu
lar cries, nor are the maitM swayed to any extent by
the magnetism of individual leadcis. News of the
most exciting chare tcr rcldom creates more than a
triple upon the smooth surlace of current sentiment,
and such unusual events as the f'ultan massacre or the
Louisiana Imbroglio in the past have led lo nothing
more serious than a nul l protest in the diape of a re
spectably attended mectiug in some concert hall. When,
therefore, the telegraph made public, the speech of
Hishop Haven to the teachers and preachers of
Boston it was not supposed his remarks would
be roccived here with much Mltwnrd manifestation ot
approval or disapproval. Thinking p ople would
rei.d l hem with regret that a man of thu
Bishop's standing should give utterance to remanent*
so alien to his sacred calling, and the balance ol thu
community would not bother liself much about Bishop
Have# or his liliosyiii.racies ifueh, however, was not
the ease. Baltimore has been stirred to its profoundest
depths. The HJW-ecb has been the topic ol general dis
cussion lu all elftle*. It meets with universal con
dt lunation, ftot >.o much tor any hearing it may have
upon the future of the country or the course of the
Methodist Church in tin: Presidential campaign as for
the injury done to that very respoetable ilenomlnation
III this city.
TilR MK ritOIHSTS IN UALTIMOKK
are the sturdiest and most numerous opponents of the
Koman Catholics, l or years a war of the uiost des
perute character ha* beeu waged between them. The
Mate Legislatures and the City Oil mil have been be
sieged by the respective coniifsianw?the latter solicit
ous for the appropriation* that ha\u made lur
their charitable iustitutiou* during a period embracing
many year* and the forinur clamorous lur the abolition
of alt Stale aid to sectarian Institution* aud III lavor of
taxation of church property. The Methodists have
planted themselves squarely on the principle that
i "h u rib and Stitte should be separate and
distinct In the most enlarged meaning of
the term, while the Catholics have been alleged
to bo furtively drawing the mention tighter about the
politician*, that they might in the future reap aonin
mysterious advantage from their clo#? relations with
the higher powers. The exciting and elonely contented
political campaign through which the State ha# just
paused bad coupled with It au added significance Iroui the
lact that the great body of Methodist* wore raioriner*
almost to a man. Of course, I reler to the Metliodl.it
Episcopal Church pioper, and nut the organization
known a* the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. It
was boldly assorted by tho democrats, aud a* confi
dently denied by tho reformer*, that the old Know
Nothing element, which was compo*ed to a very large
extent of Methodist*, constituted tho "bono and sinow"
of the new party. Certain it i* that the two Churches
were pretty squarely arrayed against each other, and
that many worthy citizens opposed tho now parly, be
cause they deprecated anything that savored of a mix
ture of religion and politics.
THK KPKKfll OK BISHOP HAVK.V.
A great magnate of tho Methodist Episcopal Church
nominating Ueneral Grant fur a third term comes so
close upon the heels of their previous declaration* taat
tho Methodists aro completely paralyzed, and all
classes of citizens, to way tho least of it, thoroughly
disgusted. Tho former say that incalculable dautago
has boen done to the intoresU of the Church upon tho
eve of a comprehensive eflort lor u revival in religion,
while the latter point to their declarations duriog the
campaign, and say that if Church anl State are to bo
the order of the day they can seo no choice between
the intolerance of Catholicism and the bigotry of
Methodism. The strenuous exertions made by the re
lurmerii to expose tho Irauds perpetrated at the late
election have been relaxed, aud people aro be;;inuiiii{ to
question each other as to the propriety of pursuing
tliuir researches further if at the end tliey are to find
themselves in league with a body of men plodgeil to
elect Urant lor a third term iu dcllance of the spirit
of the constitution ami the precedent set
by tho most Illustrious of our Presi
dent*. Such has boon the genei-al tenor
of the discussions upan Bishop Haven's utterances, and
the wbolo matter culminated today at a mooting
of tho "l'roacherg' Association." It is customary in
tiiis city to hold a woukl.v meeting of thu preachers
of the Methodist Episcopal Church stationed at this
point for thu discussion of questions connected with
the doctrine aud discipline of the deuominatiou. Thu
local preachers aud presiding elders have the privi
leges of tho lloor and visiting clergy men are always
heartily welcomed. To-day there was
UNUSUALLY FL U. A TTKMUNTS,
among whom may be mentioned Bishop Ames, Itev.
J. O. Peck, I). I?., ot Mount Vernon place church; Hev.
H. Stevenson, I). I, Madison avenue church; Uev.
William H. chapman, High street church and Presi
dent of the Association; ltev. Watson Case, Mount Oli
vet church and Secretary of the Association; Itov.
A. E. Uiomiu, Exeter street church; Uev. W. S. Ed
wards, 1). li., Caroline street church; R^v. William B.
Edward*, I). I)., Eastern avenue church; Dr. K H. Nay
lor, It. !>., Fayette street church; ltev. It. Ji. Buer,
Broadway church; Itev. Jos. B. St:lt, First church;
Rev. Joseph France, D. I)., Whatioal church; liev. S. S.
Hartsock, Emory church; Rev. L. T. Widerman,
Columbia street church ; ltev. I)r. Thomas Dougherty,
Willium street church; Key. C. W. Baldwin, Cro*s
street church; Itov. W. A. Kunt/.. Ureeumount avenue
church;!'. P. Morgan, Protestant Episcopal; Rev. H,
B. Ridguway, of the Xew York Conlerence; Itev. Joel
Brown, Rev. J. A. Price, R> v. D. W. Carroll, Rev. J. A.
Davis, and Rev. A. A. Reese, D. I)., Chaplain I'uitcd
State* Army, now on leave ol'absence.
The question to have boon discussed, as the order of
the day, was the propriety of praying for physical
benvlits. but owing to tho very general de?ire to ills
pose of Bishop Haven's case it was passed over and
made tbo order of the day for u subsequent meeting.
A paper was offered to the meeting, signed by Uev*.
A. S. Edwards, D. I)., A. E. (ilbson, D. I)., and Joel
Brown, which was about as follows, though those en
gaged iu its discussion refusud point blanK to allow
member* of the press to inspect its coutents
Whereat Bishop Iluveu U reported to have made u? of
certain political expressions, advising the Methodist Episco
pal Church as a body to vote tor certain issuea and certain
candidates, we repudiate any attempt to make the Church
organization political, and deeply deplore the conduct of thu
illnhnp in turning aside lrotti (ceding the Dock of Christ tu
introduce partisan matters into tho Church.
PITCHING IX.
A number of those present spoke to the resolution,
imong whom were Hevs. Gibson, l'rice, France, Carroll
iud D-ivip. The tenor of the speeches was opposed
lo tbe attempt of Bishop llaven to speuk lor the w bole
aody of tbe Church, und sotuo of tlm rovercud gentle
men waxed WWII over the indignity tbut bud been
altered to the organization by the ill adviled. imperti
nent and silly action of one of tlicir bishops. When tbe
comments, by no means Haltering, on the conduct of
Uisbop Hat en bad rcuched that point where tbe bounds
ol courtesy became, as it were, invisibly entwined with
the verve of duty and a motion to table had signally
failed tbe venerable llisbop Aiues arose to pour oil oil
Lhe troubled waters. While be disapproved tbe course
i>f bis brother Haven uud in all kiudno.^s deprecated
Lhe attempt to raise a question which would not down
?t any one's bidding, he thought tbe souse of the meet
ing had been tested by the vote upon the motion to
table, and at bis suggestion the gentleman who offered
Iho paper withdrew it from the lurtlier consideration of
the body. A vigorous effort was made to suppress a
report of tbe proceedings, but there wore those present
who regarded this method of dealing with the questiou
neither advantageous to the Interests of the Church
nor consonant with their dignity us high and worthy
officers.
INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS.
In conversation wim some of the leading clergymen,
utter the adjournment of Iho meeting, the writer dis
covered that there was a very sore feeling among them,
and many unhesitatingly denounced the conduct of
Bishop llavcn in no measured terms. 'Hoi mildest re
gretted very much the precipitancy with which lie
acted, but were disposed to believe that the speech of
the Bishop wus but tho expression ot individual senti
nieut, uud thut it by Uo means grew out ol, or was sus
tained by the preachers und tcuchcrs whom lie ad
dressed. Tho Bev. Watson Case said, thut Bishop
Haven wus u very lrce and outspoken man: thut ho
was always (curiously in favor ol rcionus, and that this
wus not ihe llrst time be had drawn upou himsell the
unfavorable criticism of 'be conservative portion of the
Cnurch. His (HavenV) art in presiding over the
Woman's ."ullruge Convention wus more uflensive ibiu
this last outburst.
MK. CASE
mid he did not believe Bishop Haven's address in
Boston*wus a set speech, but simply tin impulsive
declaration drawn lrom him, which at the time lie
believed to be for the good 01 the Church. He hud no
doubt but thut oue-bull or two thirds ol the Methodist
preachers in Baltimore wero fuvoruiile lo Grant,'but
they were not disposed to suy so officially,
liaveu bad been u great abolitionist, and ut the
lust General Conference the colored people wished lo
have a bishop ol their own color. The Conference wus
uuwilliug to grunt their request, but located Bishop
Haven ut Atlaniu, under the impression thai this would
be satisfactory to them. He further said thut Haven
wus the only Bishop who launches out tu thai way,
cureless of me matter under discussion or what effect
it wou.d have upou the country, uud lie could not he
luslly esteemed u representative ol the Board of Bishops.
He thought I he meeting to-day hud acted properly ill
not coming to a vote upon the paper presented, us that
was u mutter lor the consideration of the Conference.
Mil. IIKOWN
said he asked himsell what would be his feelings, and
those ol ProtesuMs generally, il a high dignitary in
the lUimun Catholic Church hail nominated Sutue favor
ite candidate lor the Presidency, uud called upon the
Ubttrch to sustaiu him. There would be an ouloursl of
indignalloii throughout the length and breadth ot lite
land, and therefore Bishon Haven was reprobuusibio in
pursuing au> such course.
OK. KUWAHOS,
a very prominent clergymau in the Methodist Church,
suid lo lhe writer thai Bishop Haven hail no right to
speak lor lite Church uud lie diu not think there wus
any likelihood ol Ills example being followed by others.
Nobody in tbe Church, us lar us lie had uity knowledge,
indorsed Haven's sentiments, nor would the Mi IhodiMs
have indorsed them bud they been p iet cm a. "A* a
ChulVh," said he, "wu do not propose to be associated
Willi ibu advocacy ol liny man or party lor tho Presi
dency. "
Another minister, who stands very high in tho
Church, but who did not desire bis name lo b ? made
public, sa.d:?"Bishop iluveti dou't cure wu?i lie says
about anything or an> body. He u a good fellow, but
be rlaslies about perfectly regardless oi whom he hits
or uhiil luav be the i ousct| deuce*. and is uol supposed
lo repi csent anybody hut In Mr elf. "
NOVCOMJUTTAI. I'LKItdYMKV.
The majority ol the cierg) men ol tfie Methodixt per
suusioli were liou-iommiilul. indulging in tbe vaiu
hope Hint by liiiiintailiiii.' u policy ol sil< ncu this sculi
ilui hi the Chnrcu (for so it if regarded here) will soon
die out. The general Impression, however, is thut It
lias indicted u tumble blow on Methodism in tins com
munity, uud ilutl the waning lorttMies ol the republican
puriy which had begun to brighten under tbe intluenco
ol the retorni movement, are now beyond redemption.
I h<- voice of the clergymen was unanimous in luvor of
Mflwp Hlli|iioU I hey said they of course had lie
qimilly heard his iiillin ncu with the President inadu
the topic of conversation, but from their k now ledge of
tfie mail and his reputation lie would not bring discredit
on the < Inir h b) advocating In Ins olliclul capacity tho
renominating ol the President lor a third term. I hey
were equally decided in iheir dvMal ol any knowledge
ol ami Cat Italic associations for political purpo-e-?,
though ilie latter does not tuily with tho reports wltlch
were rile In this vicinity u lew weeks back.
THE ANTI-CATHOLIC MOVEMENT.
?KC'TABXAXXSlf.
To Tin Kioto* or tint Hkkai.d:? *
The non seciarianism of tho public schools being at
the present time one of the most prominent political
tOpl< s of the duy?so much so thill even the "President
id' the I nited {Bates" deems It ol sufficient impoitaUce
to mention it m Ills annual MeS'agit to Congress?I
would most r*spectlully call the attention of the "Be
partiuent of Public Instiu
York," through the tnediifi
l ho sectarianism of some
tiled to tho children in 01'
present time. I refer |>a
which Mr. Marcus WUsob
Harper k Brothers the
moru suitable km Sunday *
school readers, atul I till li
cilisem* uill agree wlih ni
personal perusal Very
ction of the city of New
of your valuable paper, to
the muling IxMiks distrib
tty public schools at the
itculariy to school readers of
the author anil Messrs.
iblishors. I consider them
ool catechisms than public
hat a great many of our
alter giving the sumo their
Iv your*,
NSKCTAlUAN CITIZEN.
N*w York, Dec. 15, lHp.
Jobtkk'h
To mit Koitok <it I'Mk Hi
In my opinion the sci
Foster's lot ten la the or
Order Song of America
BITOAUOO.
sai.ic?
society referred
er known as tho Pi
order which original
the State ot Pennsylvania tind has Its strongholds in
: that State and New Jersey There are a few camps,
however, In New York St.^o. Its ritual and cotistllu
! tion express viows exactly In accordance with Grant'J
on the question of the uijon of Church and State. In
fact, it was known In tic order some years ago that
Grant was an active memb*. The Order is little known
to the public, seldom appciriug on parade, and then Is
known as a beuellcial orgailutliou, which ostensibly it
is. Hut it has olten dipuid into local politica with
success, notwithstanding It is forbidden in Its laws.
The Order would unquestionably support tirant tor a
third term, as his views tre an opett expression of
their principles. The old Know Nothing party uiottbes,
such as "Americans to lluli America," "l.el Notio Hut
Americans be Placed on Gi*rd,' occur In the writiugs
of the Order, and none but persons born on American
soil can enter its doors. Tie ritual in .use when 1 was
a metnlier was written by "Ned liuiitllne" and lull of
dramatic incidents calculated to impress nnd terrify.
Grant was undoubtedly initiated in this ritual; although,
as Sir. Foster says, a pewoti might lie admitted by a
duly authorized person bf simply subscribing to Its
oath and laws. M.
THIRD TERM NOTES.
m
latc^l
Grant has already favored the polfcy of declaring a
good portion of his subjects banditti; he already re
gards all who cross hitn as guilty of "tacsa majestas."
Ought not these facts to (stick another nail into the
colllu of the third term '?Richmond Enquirer (dem.)
A few Methodist brethren have an idea that Grant Is
the bead of tho Methodist Church. His lies Moines
speech and his Message contained a low bid lor (lie sup
I port of Protestantism in a crusadu against Catholi
I cism.?Cincinnati Enquirer (dem.)
Grant is not altlictod with religion personally, but
I "his eyes arc sot" for a third term, and he plays every
1 card in his hand, liishop Haven understands himself.?
Cincinnati Enquirer (dem.)
We think we are not mistaken In the drift of popular
sentiment when we say it is gradually coming te tho
! conclusion that the time and thu occasion will demand
! the renoniiuatiou of l'resident Grant.?A'ttu York Com
! mercial (rep.)
j For two years we have predicted tho renomi
I nation of Grant. The selection of another would
' drlvo the republican party into bankruptcy. Its prin
. ciples have vanished with tho occasion that called it
into existence. What remains to hold it together is
| tho cohesive power of public plunder, and Grant is
: master of the situation.?Lock/wrt (.V. I'.) Union (dem.)
If General Grant had any hope of a renomlnutlon for
; a third term, which is not probable, it has been offec
| tually suppressed by the injudicious action of Uiahop
| Haven and by tho Knstor-Hlaiue letter.?Jlart/vrd
i Courant?Congressman JlawUy?(rep.)
The third term idea Is not quiescent any longer, and
the renewed discussion of the question, aroused by
| liishop Haven, is very likely to commit the third term
project to the grave onco more, and long before the
! conventions begin to consider anybody's nomination.?
Philadelphia Inquirer (rep.)
The question whether Grant has "seen Sam " still
1 remains open.?Harritbury Patriot (dem.)
CROOKED WHISKEY KING NOTES.
General Grant could have slopped the indictment of
' General liabrock altogether liad ho so desired. Why,
| then, should it be pretended that he desires to shield
j the latter??Chicago Inter-Ocean (rep.)
Mr. Henderson, too small to sink his personal malice,
and notwithstanding the President was the very head of
I the prosecution against the accused persons, took ad
i vantage ol his position to insult and malign the latter
' and hold him up to the jury as a party to tho very
crimes he was seeking to punish. It was a most cou
; tomptible act.?Chicago Inter-Ocean (rep.)
It was lor the Court, and not the President, to lake :
: cognizance of any improper language, and his interle- !
rence has laid him open to the gravo suspicion that he <
, is determined to interpose the strength oi his preroga- |
' tive?or what he ussumes to bo his prerogative?be- j
tween an offender and thu justice of his country if that '
. offender shall be traced to the interior of tho While !
: House.?Baltimore (jattUe (dim.)
It would have been better if the President had
1 waived the strained point against himself, which he, or j
some Iriend lor him, picked out of General Henderson's '
speech, instead of jeopardizing u great prosecution by '
a personal quarrel witli thu leading prosecutor.?HL
1.0nit Republican (item.)
It is announced that General Bibcock will h ive no
j ollicial connection with the White IIouso pending his
, trial lor complicity in the whiskey frauds, tho private
i secretaryship falling to Mr. I.uekey. Tho retirement
ol General Babcock would have been quite proper at
the time lie asked for tho court of inquiry.?XL Louis
Republicanism.)
Tho dismissal of Goneral Henderson was uu act
which warrants the inleronco and JustiUos tho accusa
tion that U. S. Grant, President ol tho I'nitod States,
has been guilty of wicked uml corrupt malteasanco ta
? office, lor which he, too, should be indicted and sen
tenced to uccompany his otlicial Iriends to the Peuiten
j tiary. The order dismissing the man who brought to
light the evidence of llabcock's guilt is Grant's con
, fesstou of a guilty knowledge.?Chicago Timet {den.)
Henderson no doubt feels Hat enough now. He prob
1 ably wishes that ho had bitten oil a long pieco of his
loohsli tongue before ho let it wag at tho President.?
) Buffalo Commercial (rep.)
II Mr. Henderson knows anything, damaging or
otherwiso, about the case, wouldn't it be a very easy
matter to go on thu witness stand and testily under
oath??1'ittiburg (iaiette. (rep.)
The dismissal of Hcuderson was a pieco of folly. The
President lost Ills temper without stopping to consider
tho possible, probable, inevitable consequences to his
friend. In this passionate outburst there is as little ol
the strategy and self-control of the old soldior discerni
ble as of the prudenco and forethought of the states
man.?Springfield Republican (ind. rip.)
It is argued that tho President from his high position
| could well allord to overlook this (Henderson's) inex
cusable conduct. With that wo take issue. It is about
limo that people began to regard the President of the
; United Stales as a citizen, entitled to all the rights of
a citizen, a man entitled to tho ordiuary courtesies
which obluiu among men.?Philadelphia Marlh Ameri
can (rep.)
How (.rant's public virtue dilfers from that of great
men?Andrew Jackson, for instance!' It is said that
during Jacksou's administration a little lellow of a
postmaster in Kentucky kept annoying thu friends of
'?old Hickory" by swearing most profusely against the
General. His case was reported several times, and his
removal culled lor most earnestly. General Jackson,
I niter continued importunity, wus led to examine the
case ol his cussing enemy. Ho found it u very virulent
case indeed, but he also learned that the rvvilor hail
fought under him at No'* Orleans. The Postmaster
was not removed. When asked what it meant tlio old
General replied, "Any man who (ought tho llritish at
i New Orleans has my permission to be postmaster and
cuss me for the balauco ol his days."?WiHiamxpvrt
(I'a.) Sun (item.)
K.ven to this day the Indignation of tho President Is
not expended so much upon the thieves who deceived
and used bun us upon the strong and bold luwvor who
expresses the natural indignation of honest men upon
this ,-orrv subject.?Cincinnati Commercial (ind.)
Tho worms that crawl over wounded gladiators just
now are regular urtny worms. Grant will have to sweep
tlieru away Irom the Wliito House.?.St. Louis /{'publi
can (dem.)
That the President has been guilty of an unpardon
ablu blunder and Ims allowed liis partisanship,and
friendship lor Babcock to outweigh the demands of duty
' the facts lurtiish quite sulllcient warrant lor behoving;
but tliut he has liltnsell boon Interested personally in
j tho contemptible rascality ol defrauding the revenue
we cannot, will not, believe.?Detroit Free I'rett (item.)
Alter all that has cotnu and gone there is but ono
thing that can extricate tho President mid his alter ego
1 Irom the awkward position in which they have placed
themselves. I.et them waive all tochnlealitt'is and
place Joyce and McDonald on tho witness staiid when
Dabcoek Is tried. If they cannot alford to confront
1 these two convicts lu the witness stand tho caso will
| look bid, very bad.? Kaiuas City Timet (d*m.)
PACIFIC RAILROAD OF MISSOURI
HOW THS S'i'OCKHULDEBS HAVE BEXM SWIN
DLED?TUB MEETING YXHTKBDAY AND TU*
BMULT.
At llireu o'clock yesterday afternoon a meeting oi
capitalist*?principally stockholders of the Pacific Rail
road of Missouri?was hold at No. 25 William street.
Mr. Robert 1* Cutting, Jr., took tho ctair. A roporl
was read by Mr. N. A^Cowdrey, of tho Stock -
holdors' a suit bad been
AtiautU
encCd
Missouri Pacill
celvers, appointed byTfie f^Wrr"StaT
tbey were acting against the best Interests of
holders. Tho mortgage was made July 1U. 1875, unTI
antedated May 1, 1875, making the. llrst coupons fall
due, lor tho full six months' Interest, November
1, 1875; and on November 3, 1876, Messrs.
Baker and Pierco had ready a printed com
plaint in a foro lo.suro suit in tho name of tieorgn K.
Kutcham?a namo to tho committee unknown. .Such
was the haste of tho directors to sell out their stock
that they not only caused a bill to he prepared and
printed in advancj, but 11 r. Baker, ono of the direc
tors, controlled the suit, and gave notice, uccepted, oi
caused it to bu given, of a motion lor a receiver at
Omaha, In Nebraska, while tho courts were open
and In session in St. Louis, expecting, na
doubt, to impose upou Judge Dillon, at Omaha, in tho
absence ol the stockholders. Their object was de
feated, at tho cost of a jouruey of ono ot the committee
to Omaha, aud tho employment of counsel at that
place. It was so flagrant it wrong that Baker himself
telegraphed to Omaha not to Ulo the papers or to tuaJco
the motion. Tho loruclosuro papers on the third mort
gage have since been Died In St. Louis.
The committee sent printed copies of the resolution
passed by tho stockholders at their meetr.ig on the (Jth
of November to the directors, asking them to resign
and to eloct stockholders in their places. This they de
clined to do, alleging, through their attorney iu court,
u willingness and desire to respoct tho wishes ot th?
stockholders, but evading the issues.
The directors ol the company seem ambitious to
mauago the property, but they only own stock iu the
comuany as lollows:?
.Share/. Shares.
Samuel Hayes, l'rcs't.. 10 Samuel N. Webb 10
James Maker 10 K. O. Stanard 10
W. H. Collin IU John J. Lansing 10
1). R. Garrison 'J'J Jus. K. Yeatinau None
Oliver A. Hoyt 10 T. B. Kdgar None
M. J. Lipinan 100 Welib M. Samuels... .Nona
Andrew Pierce, Jr 14 1). K. Ferguson None
Total 20M
At the present market price, valued, say $2,717. Th?
present management came into control of the com
pany practically iu March, 1H71, and openly In March,
1872. At that iimo it was mortgaged for?
First mortgage $7,000,00C
Second mortgage, dated July 1, 1871,... 2,741,OOC
Total $9,741,0.?
Its earnings have been as follows:?
(iron, . Set.
18C9 $3,213 0*)
187 0 3,5I10,U00 ?15,00<J
187 1 3.;.# .000 y40,800
187 2 :t.000,000 No report
187 3 3,70S,000 1,402,715
1871 :t.713,000 1,451,88'J
1875 3 200,000 Partly estimated
The gross earnings, per mile, of the Atlantic ami
1'acilic Railroad lor the same tune (1874) are reported
by tne company ut $4,155. If proper charges are made
the Atlantic Pacific lor the use of the terminal facilities
of the Missouri Pacific at St. Louis, tho earnings would
show more favorable to the latter. The terminal fa
cilities at St. Louis have cost the Missouri 1'actUc
several millions of dollars. Vet the Atlantic Pacific us?
the same almost gratuitously?they simply pro-rate on
thirty-seven miles of railroad?St. Louis to Pacill*
City. ,
SOW KOR THK SWINDI.K.
July 19, 1872, they made or increased the
real estate mortgage $300,000
October 1, 1873, the (Jarondelet branch
rnortgago 500,09?
September 1, 1872, they Issued
income bonds lor $1,500,000
December 15, 1874, they issued
improvement bonus 2,000,010
July 19, 1875, third mortgage bonds,
which contains a provision to retire by
exchange tho Income aud Improvement
bonds 4,000,000
Total $4,800,000
In addition to Oie above they claim that the Missouri
l'aclllc is liable lor n]>ro rata amount of equipment
bonds, fixed ut (500,000, mid ttiai the Missouri fuciOu
is til ilebl to the Atlantic and Pacific in about
(1,300,000. Uu the other baud, it is claimed tbat thero
are )ti00,000 or more of tin- third mortgage bonds not
yet issued, and the Court baa granted au injunction
prohibiting the Issue, transfer, disposition or plejge of
any income bonds, improvement bonds or third wort
gage bonds.
The present directors claim that tnis large increase of
debt, say (4,800,000, has been cxpeuded upou the road
in butieruieutsaud procuring additional property. It is
stuted in the circular issued to the stockholders by A. It.
Hu.vlis and others in October, 1875, that Mr. Fierce esti
mates the net earnings ol the company Irom that time
to and including the month of February, 1876, at
(350,000. What tho object of Mich all estimate was
each stockholder can judge lor himself. The tact is
that the net earnings lor tho mouths of October and
November alone were (:UM),000, leaving tho months of
December, January and February to bo added. Thero
is no doubt but thai on its merits your stock is worth
much more than its present market value, and that Its
value has been designedly depreciated by tho directors
to promote what they conceivo to be their interest iu
the loreclostfru of the third mortgage bond.
The report is dated December 15, 1S75, and is
signed by tho commilleo:?N. A. Cowdrey, l'etor Mario
(iuurgc It. Fearing, F. A. Otis, William II. Morrell,
Jacob Cromwell and A. W. Shcpard.
At the meeting yesterday Mr. \V. H. Morrell, sec
retary of the la.-t stockholders' meeting, mado
his report, embodying the above figures and tacts.
Mr. Johu T. Denny was added to the committee, and
those gentlemen were empowered to Ull vacancies. Mr.
(?eorge It. Fearing moved that a finance committee of
three be appointed to take charge of the luuds col
lected under the motion of Ml'. S. V. White, the as
sessmeuts not to exceed (2.1> per hundred shares of
stock. Tne following gentlemen were appointed:?
Robert L. Cutting, Jr.; W. H. Morrell, ami Frank A.
Otis.
The meeting was harmonious, and each shareholder
seemed desirous to affix his signature to a document,
addressed to President Hayes, demanding a now elec
tion ol directors and the relorinatlou of the abuses
complained of.
A NEW STOCK EXCHANGE NEEDED.
[From the Evening Mail of yesterday. ]
The Hekald will have the sympathy of the best clasa
of "operators" in Wall street, and or the business com
munity generally, iu its attacks upon tho sort of gam
bling that has been done of late years through th?
agency of tho Stock Exchange, once the medium ol
honest and "square'' speculations and the register ol
something like honest valuations, and now a glgantU
combination lor ''gulling" unwary investors, lor de
ceiving tho public, and tor tho mutual exercise of its
members in sharp practices in default of a regular sup
ply of green victims Irom outside. For every thousand
shares of stocks recorded as sold at the Stock Ex
change not more than teu shares are actually trans
ferred. All tho rest is llctitlous, deceptive and intended
to deceive.
Any outsider who now goes luto Wall street with a
view ol profiting by his judgment as to actual vaiuos
will find that prices are raised or lowered at the will of
a tew men who control the Stock Exchange, and that
a fool can make as good a guess its to all the stocks that
lluctuatc enough iu price to make them "speculative"
us the oldest h tbitur* of the Exchange. The result is
thai "the boys" have ull the luu to themselves. They
call "skin" one another, but thut doesn't pay. They
can get "|K>iuts" from persons supfmsed to be in th<
confidence ol one of the great operators, but tne lattei
have an unpleasant way ol disappointing their most in
timate "lrieud*." nuil impartially gobble the little betl
ol friends or toes with surly equanimity. The bonesi
commission business, which used to iie profitable to th<
host men in the street, has vanished almost entirely.
It is a great question whether a new Stock Exchange,
formed by a combination ol respectable, high minded
and honorable operators and commission men ought
not to he organized, leaving the present organization to
he run by gamblers, sharpers and swindlers.
DON'T LOCK THE DOORS.
To thk Editor or t? Herald:?
Daring the service at Trinity chapel on Sunday mora,
log un aged lady, who was sitting near the doorway ol
Twenty-sixth street, was apparently taken ill or over,
come by the heat and made an ellort to leavo by thai
door, but It had been locked by the sexton. Aftor fruit
less ofl'orts to open It she sunk back upon one of th?
seat.- in Iront, In seemingly a fainting condition, too
weak to reach tho door in the olMf end ol the bultdlng.
The oillcial was notified and ho hurried up, un
locking tho door, porinlttod her to pa-s out.
Why sliould they be locked f Certainly uot tor
causing any disturbance ci tho worship, because il
would create mm h moro to pass down the long aisles
to tho other door Hum to permit egress at this entrance
war. Will the gentlemen of Iho vestry rectify thli
matter 1 YIATOK.
STEAMER MAILS.
The Fost Office authorities yesterday despatched by
tho steamer Dakota :U,340 letters and forty-two bugs
of papers; by the Columbus, 3,014 letters and two bags
of papers, and by the Lao, -01 letters uDd two bags
of papers, mukiug a total of 37,615 letters and furty-su
bags uf paper*