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Gross-Examination of the Witness
Harney by Mr. Kerr's OonnseL
How the Ex-Doorkeeper Hoped
to Make a Little Money.
Mulligan, Atkins and Fisher on the In
terminable Bond Question.
ripretentatire Meade on Cnrrent Investiga
tions and the Situation.
Wabiiinotos, Juno 2, 1870.
Tho Sub-Judiciary Committee reassembled at two
o'clock. Great Interest wui manifested, and the com
mltteo room was filled with members of Congreaa,
newspaper men and other*.
Mr. Huulonaaid?I renew the request that was mnde
yesterday, and ask at your bands tho production of the
lottcrs in your possession that were obtained Irom the
witness (Mr. Mulligan) to bo inspected by the com
Mr. Blaine?I stated yesterday that I would submit
the case to two eminent counsel and would be guided
by them. I had previously submitted tho caso to uev
eral personal friends, reading the letters to them fully.
I did this to show tho utter lalsiiy of the state
ment of the witness (Mulligan) In regard to their
character ad in any wuy compromising my honor or in
tegrity, or my official or persoual relations In life. 1
did thai with personal and Intimate friends, in order to
gel their Judgment, and in order by that vory act to
show that the story ot these letters belog in any way
damaging to my reputution, or in tho slightest degree
tending to discredit or dishonor me, is entirely erro
neous. As to tho othor question Involved?that of
lognl right?I said, as you w;il remember,
that 1 would tako the opinion of counsel and
bo guided by that. I selected, accordingly, two omt
nent lawyers. They wont over every letter, road it and
reread and questioned me upon it to see II there were
anything even latent or indirect in them that bore upon
the jurisdiction of this coinmitto?, the counsel hav
ing at the same time the resolution before ihcm under
which tho comtuittoo is acting, and all the tacts apper
taining to tho case being within their kucwlcdge. Those
gentlemen gavo nio this opinion.
Tlio Hon. James l?. Hinine Iiks laid Velum at fifteen let
ters written by bimto Warren Knher. Jr., tieiwceu the
years lfOl and 1K7J iuclu-We. nnd threo other paper* in
the iKtii" package. making eighteen papers m
ml, which hi informs n* he received from
J times Miillljrsn oi the Him of May. iH7t?,
nt the Ri|w? llnu-e, in the city of Washington. We have
cireful!) examined these letters and paper* at Mr. Blaine's
request. with the lutein to nscertaia whether they relate
to the Subject matter which the Judiciary Committee of
the House'of llepresentatlvei are authorised to lni|iilre
Into by a resolution of ihe House, passed May 'J, 1M7H. We
*0 not hesitate to lay shat the letters and papers afore
laid have no relcvnnc) whatever to the matter under In
ftilry. We hare no doubt the cosiintitee ttsolf would decide
llio '|U"?tiou oi their releranee tha same " av
As a remit of this it follow* that Mr. Blaine, baring the
letters and papers in his itosaeasioc, Is not hound to surren
der thetn. IteferriiiK to Mr. liulneV nrlvnte affairs and be
lir; wholly beyond tne range of the investigation which tlix
com nut tee is authorized to make, it would be most iinlutt
and tyrannical as well as tlloKal 10 demand their production.
We advise Mr. Blaine to ar,sert hii right as an American clt
Uen and resist any such demand to the last extremity.
J. S. BLACK. ? Counsellors
M. iL OARt*KNTEB ) at-Law.
Mr. Hunton to Mr. Blaine?l?o you wish the com
rnltteo to understand that you dcclino to produce the
letters r
Mr. Blaine?Yes, sir.
You spoke yesterday of a statement accompany
ing these loiters made lint by Br. Mulligan. We ask
?'ou 10 produce that statement? A. I -ecliuo to do It;
lie statement does not contain any of tho contents ol
any of iho letters, but is a schedule ol them Willi their
dates, Ate.
mulligan's tksti.mony.
James Mulligan recalled?Witness was asked whether
be could give the contents of tho letter to whttih he ro
lerrcd yesterday, addressed to Mr. Fisher, which drew
Irom Mr. Blame the unswer bearing on the bonds of
tho Little Bock and Fort Smith llailroad Company.
Tho witness said that Mr. Fisher had asked Mr.
Blaine for u statement. A good ileal of correspond
ent took place and Mr. B nine maintained that he had
lost by tbo?o bonds. Mr. Fisher said that Mr. Blaine
had sold a lot or bis bonds and received $04,000 for
them. Mr. Blaine replied to this that If Mr..Fisher
was under tho Impression that be had made money he
was deceived.
The witness further testified that Mr. Blaine, In con
versation In Mr. Atkins' office, spoko of how much he
had lost. Tho witness there made reply that he had
not lost and that he koew where be put the bonds,
which cost lnm nothing except In their negotiation.
Be knew what lie had slated about Mr. Blaine's receiv
ing money for the bunds through Mr. Atkins.
Mr. Biaino here interrogated the witness, with the
result thai there was nothing in the letters which had
been in his-possession, and which Mr. Blaine now
held, rolating to the I'd ion 1'acitic. Haiiroad Company
or Thomas A. Scoll, or the $d4,lXKi; and that outside
of tho witness' memorandum book (which he yester
day produced) 440,000 worth of the bonds of the
I.iltle Bock and Fort Smitn Railroad went to Mr.
Blaine. Thev were laud grant bonds, nnd the 21st of
September, 1872, was the day ot Una! settlement be
tween him nnd Mr. Fisher. Fisher gav? Mr. Blslne
$40,0o0 worth of the bonds, and told him he must
look to Caldwell for the remainder.
The Chairman wanted to know whether the $40,000
of bonds the witness handed to Mr. Blaine were a rem
nant ol the bonds alluded to by liitn in tho memoran
dum book.
Mr. Blsine remarked tho delivery of the honds by
him whs after the I'nioii I'acillc Railroad transaction
with Colonel Scott was closed and dead.
Mr. Frvc (an adviser of Mr. Blaine) remarked that
Mr. Maine had not yet received tho remaining bonds
due him.
E'islia Atkins was recalled, tad testified In answer to
a question hv Mr. Blaine that he never said tn Mulli
gan's presence that Mr. Blaine was the owner of the
Llttie Rock and Fort Smith land graut Inmds that went
to the 1'nion Pacific Railroad Company; nor had he
ever said so to nnvhody; l"ttr or live years ngt>, prol>.
ably In 1872. a projccl was started to reorganize tne
Little Rock and Fort Smlih Railroad Company; the
witness owned somo of tlio bonds ami knew some of
tho bondholders, and Mr. Fisher knew some of vbem;
mod witness mentioned that the In ion I'acillc Rail
road Company owned seventv-llvo of tho bonds;
witness could not have said, as Mr. Mulligan
testified, that Mr. Blaine's bonds went to
tho I nion Pacific Railroad Company, because he did
not know anything of tho kind; the witness testiiied
as to what took place at the Rlpgs Rouse about tho
loiters tn Mulligan's |missi #?ioii ; Mr. Blaine asked Mr.
Mulligan to give him the letters, as they woro pnvato
property and had no relevance to the matter Itefore
the committee; tho witness came In as Mr. Blaine was
leceivmg them; Mr. Blaine entered tho room of thu
Witness tho last tttne he obtained the letters
from Mr. Mulligan; Mr. Mulligan followed
him and demanded that Mr. Blaine return
to hint the letters; Mr. Blaine asked htm
what he was going to do with the letters, to which Mr.
Mulligan replied that he would publish thom if any
body should impeach his testimony, thus keeping Iho
letters tor his own purpose.
Mr. Blamo asked the witness whether be had any
knowledge be lore-he camo here to Indicate unfriendli
ness on the part ol Mr. Mulllgau towsrd him. to whlrft
question the witness remarked that Mulligan appar
ently labored under a sense ol wrung.
Mr. Blaine here said he wanted 10 establish tho fact
that Mulligau came here with malignancy and bitter
Bess. The witness further aaid ho had brief conversa
tions with Mr. Mulligan at times, aud that tho latter's
language lett the impression on his mind thst he- was
not Blaine's friend. Ii? had a short conversation
with Mulligan three weeks ago In his own
O.lice. llo asked Mulligan how his friend
111 tine was getting nlong. Mulligan snld. in a general
way, lie did not know much ol Blslne, and expressed
the opinion thai Blaine was not the man lor the Presi
dential nomination. ?
In reply to tb? question by Mr. Blaine whether ha
heard of any reason lor Mulligsn not being kindly to
him. tbe witness said that Mulligan thought that
Blaise did not treat him right in his settlement of tho
eglstaol his (Mr. Blaine's) brother-in-law, Mianwood.
Mulligan was sianwood's coniidcntlal r.tork, ana said
Biuine went back on htm 111 tho settlement.
TGe witness, in response to a question by tho chalr
maa, aaid thai ho arrived here Monday morning; ho
did not com. in company with Mull!** and Fisher
S?.* by.ccld.ni
?he SirUKS t"" *>?" known Mr. Mulligan
he never heard anything impeaching his
to appear without
'"w? mTiutT'tb.n propounded question* to th. wit
?.ST.E.Krf. ><?' V1"' i sss
tfce face o! th. bond. was th. .ame >n Boeton as thoto
which went from that city to Maine.
wen ^ riMHKIi'S tkhti?o*y.
collect ever WMe.tinf to
me fn a lotw ?h?t I hud obtained money through
Thorna* A. Scott by selling Little Bock bond, o
yo^r?^'^??0^ tm wrtuen
"a I wan'to /nowwbetber. aHer I obtained tho !???
. ^ , *? ? Mulligan. Laid to you. in the presence
o'nir. Atkins,
^r.o'uie^hcmt4 VfSS therefore such
reBv"rlCth.mCha1rman_flta.e what tho*, remarks were.
A. Tbey wircwhe (Mr. Blaine) put thu . tQ
0 I want vou to state them no* A.
M? Mulligan that I had a prlor nghi to
that tiioy belonged to me rather than ?
Q That wan said in the pretence of Mr. MuHigan'
a That waa .aid in the prcsonco of Mr..Mulligan
AQBid"t1???? to vou that it you dewed tho.o
V?uU m~nwhen Mr. Mulligan was not present*
W&Msrk ,tr..Ss
Washington before you lelt Roston? A. 1 dt
Q From whom ? A. From Jame3 .. ? j kep,
Q. Whero are they ? A I don t know
lbQm'state whether you have possession of those tele
KT'statewhat the character of
A I think it was about Ave words-"Come to Wnsm g
hi'PWbiri?. M 7? WW 1 ""
Boston on Monday morning at ten or lock.
Q. Had you been served with a ?^,K. na at i
you got this telegram ? A. no, sir, i k >? i
at ten minutes or Qvo minutesbefore three,
g. On Saturday? A. On Saturday.
1 KWirrS?" T*MW.
''"VhrndM ><? ?'? >'?'?' ?' rro"
Z Had vou not previous to that been at Mr. Blaine >
arrival ? A He dTnot know that I bad come, to my
ka*DW% refer to his telegram? A. I did not
q Vou had just Rotten into the hotel when Mr.
? S go\uh Mm^om the hotel to his house?
%'Wbvdid"vougotohi. house then? A. Because
bTA^eTyoVrthlsh|nrte.n-lew that you and he hadf
VnwnH ho send for-you? A. V<;s, slr.
1 SllU'^^gotXtnoteV AA nVV i think not
o Can you state the wordsof It ? A. \ou and Mr.
^Th^was' a?l tbrt ^ *VT f think so.
I almost forgot about It. _ .
O You went tip there? A. \es,sir.
q. ntd Mr. Mulligan go with yout A. >o, n\r.
q. Did be go up afterward? A. No. sir
Q. W.--S he sent lor a second time . A Ho was.
g Was ho sent for a third time? A. 1 oastuiy, i
think not, 'boucb. , into possesion of theso
lettrs wh,T arMor-now lu oiscssVon of Mr. Blaine?
i Hn itna iiiwnfH bftd nossf'Bslon ot them.
Q IM jo"""- '6" >" ?" WW" ""m
T""d,'0~ rt)~W<,"bi.b,W??.l.??t A. Hid
D?y. He brousht them, then, with your consent and ap
^rBy*Mr.ULawTouw?i Vou bad bad a settlement with
M q "ln'tbat settlement was It agreed or arrangedthat
u?' nt?in? should tear up all the paper* relating to the
nAiilt matter "f tbe settlement, inclndtnic these lel
subjeet roattor ?iiiboso that 1 gave up to Mr.
BUlno alUhe document? and pap?rs that ho "skeU for
and as to these letter. I did not really know that they
were inoxistenca^ Your understanding was that
"y .uud upl had got everything? A. Kvery
b'jViuesspaper; 1think you d,d; in (act, 1 feel sure you
rii i ? I iiunk thev were destroyed in niv o flic p.
d nv the Cha rman-Q. You say he got nil tho papers
that It was^greed he should have? A That was my
'TriVlAwrenco?Q. Wasn't bo to ha\-? theso let
. . A f l had koown or tbetr being there I
IfTnt? I should have mentioned tho fact, and If he de
tired thorn I should havo given them to him without
d?Bytt*> Chairman?Q. Did you keep a letter book at
X %g?j?i&{Mr. MnmPan> ?
the correspondence between you and Mr. Hlaine .
* u''You' did not hear Ills statement on that subjcct ?
word ol momh.
y. Old you reply to Mr. Blaino that be hnd gotten off
some or those bond* at a good price, or anything like
that? A. I think 1 did.
Q. Whut did yoa mean by that? A. I infant that be
had resold them.
Q. 'lowborn!1 A. I didn't know.
Q. Didn't yon mention when that conversation took
Slaco that they had been sold to tho Union Pacific
ail road Company ? A. That was what 1 intended to
convey to Mr. Blaine, that be bad not lost much on
these bonds, because he bad got a portion of them off
at a good price to the Union Pacific.
Q. How mauy did you understand that be got off to
the Union Pactflc ? A. 1 diu not understand any.
y. From whom did yoa understand what yoa did
understand ? A. Through Mr. Atkins
Q. Mr. Atkins did tell you, then, that Mr. Blaine had
gotton off *ome or these Little Kock bonds to the Union
Pacific? A. No, sir. He didu't tell roe any such
(J. How. then, did you understand It? A. That wss
the Inference I drew from bta remark.
Q. What wan that remark? A. I can't say precisely,
hut will give It to you aa near ax I can; Mr. Atkins
wan speaking about a reorganization of tho
Littlo Kock and fort Smith Kailroad; that
reorganization was that tho old bondholder*, tho
original bondholder*, should go into tho reorganisation
on a certain basis; 1 do not remember that hams; he
spoke to mo about the bondholders; asked m? II 1 knew
ofauy landholders that they didn't know; he ibouaht
1 mignt be familiar with Mine or them, and 1 gave him
ail the information in regard to It that I had at the
time; 1 laid to blm, '? Will you got all tho bonds in ?"
and he said that IT they sot three-quarters in It would
be sufficient, or something like that; there wax a gen
eral talk about It; he said that the Union TacUlc road
had some of the bonds, and said that they could come
In; 1 asked where the bonds cam* from, and the infer
ence that 1 got
y. Stat* what be said. A. I don't remember what
be paid, but tbe iuierence I got was tbat they were
lilatne's bonds.
Q. Did be tell yoa how many tbe Union Pacific had ?
A No. sir, he did not?tbat is, i tlnnk he did not.
y. Did be mention tbe name or Tbomas A Scott ?
A I don't know that he did, and I don't know but he
did; I forget all about tbat; it is four or fivo years ago,
five years very likely.
y. Then in this correspondence between yon aad
Mr. lllainn touching a settlement about Little Hock and
Port Smith lionds yon troated the matter aa ir Mr.
Blaine had got off a portion ol them upon the Union
Pacific Company at a good price? A. 1 don't know
how I treated It; I might havo indirectly or directly re
ferred to it in that way.
y Do you recollect any references to this matter in
a reply tbat Mr. Blaine wrote yon? A. No, sir; I do
y. Yoa do not recollect that he aald In one of his let
ter? tbat il be bad got them off at a good pn<a he bad
not held tbe money long, but that It went to hi* friends
in Maine ? A. I beard that part of a letter read.
Q. When? A. While I was on tho wry cither from
Boston to New York or from New York to Washington.
y. On this present trip cf yours to Washington?
A. Yea
y. And within the last lew days ? A. Yet.
y. Did you bear any other letter than this read?
A. Yes, sir.
y Can you state the points of the letters which yoa
heard read?I do |not mean with verbal accuracy,
bnt substantially so ? A. No, sir, I could not.
y. Rut you recollect substantially that In one ol
them Mr. Hlalne said that, tr he did get these bonds
off, as you hnd suggested in yonr letter, he did
not bold tho money long, but that it went to bis Maine
friends ? A. Words to that effect.
y How long have yoa known Mr. Mulligan? A. I
have known Mr. Mulligan siateen or twenty vesrs.
y. Have you known bun intimately ? A. 1 have, sir.
y. What'is his character? A, His character Is the
best; 1 would say that It Is a< cood as, or perhaps
boiler than, that ol any man :hat I ever knew.
y. What is Ills reputation lor truth and veracity T A.
I never heard 11 questioned.
! Q- Have you ever demanded from Mr. Mulligan tbe
possession ol itu'M' letters? A. I havo, sir.
y. When ? A. Sinco I hare been in this city.
Q. Had you ever demanded thorn until Mr. Blaine
I got possession of them? a I bad, sir.
Q When? a. Since I havo been In thl* city.
I y At whose instance did you nuke tbat demand lor
I those letters? A. I made it at my owu instance.
0. Was it not suggested to you* A. No, air.
Q. ^ Were you not re luesied to make tbat demand?
A. Not the first time I inado the demand.
i Q. Were you ever requestod bv anvbody to auk*
! that demand after tbc Brat tune ? A. l'waa.
<1 By whom? A. Mr. Blame
U. Ho asked you in demaud tbeae letters? A. He did
not ask me to demand them.
y Well, what did he say? A. Mr. Blaine asked me
to get Mr. Mulltguu to give them to me.
y. What were you to do with them If yoa got them ?
A. I proposed to keep ttiem II 1 sol ibem.
Q W as thy after a roieren.ie bad been made In bis
examination by Mr. Mulligan to tbe letters? A- No,
air, but bciore ihau
VJ. When was it? A. I think It was Tuesday night.
I am under tbe Impreosion, though I may bo wrong,
tbat uotliing occurred between Mr. IJla'ino and Mr.
Mulligan about tbe letters uniil Wednesday.
y. Wa< there anything said between Mr. liialne and
Mr. Mulligan abom these letter* until alter the first
examination here? A. I think not, sir.
y. Then the request Irom Mr. Blaine to you to get
jKt.-session ol ihe^e tellers from Mr. Mulligan w;is after
Mr. Mulligan hu-1 spoken of tbo letters in bis first ex
amination? A. Yes. I think that was so.
y. Then you had belter correct your first answer?
A. No; I said 1 had made tho request ol Mr. Mulligan
to giro tbem to me on Tuesday night.
y. You had ? A. That was my ll r?t request
y. Was that after you saw Mr. Blaine? A. I think
It wax
y. When you saw Mr Blalue was it mentioned be
twoen you and Mr. lliaino ibat Mr. Mulligan bad these
letters in his possession? A. It was mentioned by Mr.
Blutne that Mr. Mulligan had these letters.
y. Did Mr. Blaine ask you to go and get these lot
tsrs? A. Thero was one letter that Mr. Blame was
very particular to get.
y. Did he or not ask you to go down and get theso
letters? A. Yon.
y. And the rei|ue? that you made of Mr. Mulligan to
return these letters to you was alter, aud in conse
quence ol tbo request from Mr. Blaine? A. Yes.
y .Statu what tetter this was that Mr. lilatue was
especially anxious to get hold of? A. A loiter relating
to the Northern Pacific lUiiroad.
y. Was that the one he was particularly anxious to
got? A. Yea.
y. How did ho know that Mr. Mulligan had such I
teller? A. I think that Mr. Blame may have asked me
tho question whether such a letter was there, aud a
probably told him that I believed there was.
<i Did you te'l him the contonis ol an v of the other
letters that Mr. Mulligan bad ? A. 1 do not think I did
y. Were you presont when Mr. Mulligan delivered
these lottors to Mr. Ulaino the first time? A. No, sir.
y. In Mr. Atkins' room, 1 mean? A. No, sir; I was
not present
y." You don't know anything about the delivery by
Mr. Mulligan or tho letters to Mr. Hiaiue? A. No, sir.
y. Were you in Mr. Atkins' room when Mr. Mulligan
caine In aud demanuod thoso letters from Mr. Blnino?
A. 1 Iras. ?
y Mr Blaine refused to deliver tbem up? A. Ho
did; uo refused to give them up.
y. Did or did noi Mr. Mulligati say to Mr. Blaine that
ho had got those letters up stairs in his room under a
proinbe lo return them? A. 1 believe he did.
(J. Did Mr. Blame deny or assent to the declaration
of Mr. Mulligan that ho had got tho letters under a
promise to roturn them? A. He said that be had tho
y. Was that oil he said In response to the demand of
Mr. Mulligan lor tbo possession ol the letters? A. Yea,
Sir; 1 ihinji it was.
y. Did Mr. Blaino say to Mr. Mulligan or to you that
tho letters sbou!d be delivered up to vou? A. Yoa, sir
he said tbat no third party should bold them; that thev
did not belong to tbem.
y. Did you agroo or decline to take them ? A. I
asked lor them
y. When? A. Several times.
y. When Mr. Blaino had tbem? A. No, sir; not
when Mr. Blaino hail tbem.
y. Now, I am (peaking of the timo after Mr. Blaino
got possession of those letters. A. No, sir, 1 don't
think 1 said anything about thom.
y. You tnado no responso when Mr. Blaine said you
might have possession of these letters? A. No, air.
y. You would have receivod them all lrom Mr.
Blaine? A. Certainly 1 should if be had given them
to mo.
y. Did he otter to ?ivo them to you? A. Ho did nor.
y. It iiu had givon tbem aud you bad received them
what disposition would yau havo made of them? A. I
should havo kept tboiu ,
| By Mr. Buaixs?y. What did Mr. Mull gan say, if
I anything, in your presence about his intention respect
j ing those letters?wbai be would do with them ? A.
Ho said tbat bo should keep theso letters, that in caso
his statements were questioned or doubted by anybody
he would have these letters to reler to. and ho should
publish his statement witn those lotters.
y. Did bo bus%bis publication or ihein or his inten
Hon to publish tbem on the lart thai I should quo.
tton his statement, or that anybody should question It ?
A. Anybody.
y. If anybody questioned his statement ho would
publish them? A. Yes.
y. And that ho would fool Justified In publishing
theso letters? Yes. ?
y. At uny time? A. Yes. at any time.
By the Cii.whman?Whs his purpose in publishing
thoso lotters to vindicate himself in case he was
assailed? A. Yes, to appear right before tho world.
y. A good deal has been sa d abont Mr. Mulligan's
manner when Mr. Blaino got possession of those let
tors and refused to return thom. Mato to tbo com
mitteo what was the manner or Mr. Blaine. A. I did
not sue anything different from what ho is at the pres.
cnt timo.
y. Was he not excited? A. He walked the room a
y. But was his manner excited? Were there a* In
dications or excitement other than that of walklnl the
room ? A. No, sir.
y What was his manner and slate of mind when von
went to his bouse tbo night bolorc ? A. 1 did nct'see
any particular change In bis manner or state or mind
when I wont to his boose.
y. Was bo calm ? A. I do not know whotbor be was
calm or otherwise. Il<? appeared tho satuo to me that
he has always appeared.
y. You did uot see auy unusualexcitemcnt? A No
Sir ?
By Mr. Blaino?Q. How long Ihnvo you aud I been
acquainted, Mr. Fisher? A. Smco the month ol June
1<HS2. 1
y. We became acquainted through whom? A. Ebon
C. Stan wood.
y. What relation was ho to me? A. Your brother
y. Through blm our anqaintanco began and It has
continued since that timer A. Yo,-.
y. You had business relations with blm? A. I wna.
a partuer with btm; 1 served my timo In bis counting
Mr. Blaine?I desire to call attention to a (act In this
memorandum book. I suppose 1 am at llnerty to do so.
The Chairman ?Not In lh?* ?hai>e of nn argument.
Mr. Blaino?N'n; bat a fact. 1 desiro to call atten
tion to the laot that there are but $'28,OUO land bonds
sold to the State of Maine people, according to the evi
dence in ihu memorandum book.
(The memorandum book produced by Mr. Mulligan.)
By the Chairman?Q. If you had those letters now,
Mr. FItbgr, what would you do with tbeni? A. Ill
get the letters I will answer the question afterward.
The Chairman?I notify you now as a witness sub
perused before this committee, that if you get those
paperi" yon must not destroy them.
Tho witness?I shsll not destroy them, sir.
Mr. lllalne?And I will pledge myself us a witness be
fore the commntee that the person having them will
not destroy them.
Mr. Fisher desired to tnako a correction In his testi
mony, whereupon bo wis further examined as fol
By the Chairman? Q. Did Mr. Blal> e ofler yon those
letter* before you left your room or Mr. Atkins' room?
Have I asked you that question already ? A. Xo, sir.
Mr. Blaine?That was asked.
The Wituess?N'o, 1 think not.
Mr. Frye?It was asked. 1 hejrd It.
The Chsinnun?I asked him the question whether he
hsd demanded a return ol these letters from Mr. Mulli
gan prior to Mr. Mulliitiin's mentioning having tho
letters in his first examination. (To iho witness.) But
you can go on and make your correction.
By Mr. Blaine?q. The question was, did I offer you I
these letters in the presence of Mr. Atkins? A. You '
4 id.
q. Did I do it once or twice? A. Yon ofTcred them ]
to me.
q 1 offered them to you (with emphasis), and did I
ot call Mr. Atkins' attention to tho fact that I now !
ffered to you those letters, and if yon did not cboo-e :
o take their custody 1 would? A. Yes; words to that
Q. (oy Chairman). Did you agree to receive then?
A. No, sir: 1 said I would not
Q. You declined to receive them? A. I declined to
receive them.
q (by Mr. Blaine). Then did I not state to you that I
would retain them, and would not give them up to
anyone else? A. And that you would bring them back
?t nine o'clock or hal! past nine.
q (by the Chairman). Bring them back when? A.
At nine or ten o'clock that evening.
Q. Old he bring them back at half-past nine ? A.
That or leu.
Q Was that the first time ho got possession of them
or the second? A. When ho had them In hla pocket.
Mr. Blaine?It was tho Ural time when I got pos
Q. It was when bo got them and refused to return
them to Mr. Mulligan? A. Yes.
q. He brought them back at balf-pest ntne? A.
About hall-]ta.-t nine to ten.
q. And then what did be do with them? A. Carried
them bsck agntn.
q. Did he ofler them to you again? A. I don't re
member that he did again, but he did tho first time
before ho left the room.
q. By Mr. tawronce? Was Mr. Mulligan prcsontwben
be offered them to you ? A. No, sir, I think not.
By Mr. Ilialne?Was Mr. Atkins present ? A Yes.
q. Did I call Mr. Atkins' attention especially to the
fart that I offered them to you ? A. Yer.
By the Chairman?Why did Mr. Blaine come bnrk
with them at half-)?>t nlno or ten o'clock. A. Bo
c.ui'o be had agre?i to.
q Agreed with whom?. A. Mr. Mulligan.
q. I);d he see Mr. Mulligan when he camo back at
balf-psM nine or ten o'clock? A. Not thni night.
q Who d'd he see when ho returned atlialf-past
nine or ten o'clock? A. He naw Mr. Atkins and my
?>q Why did he promise Mr. Mulligan to roturn with
the letter at half-past nine or ten o'clock ? Was u to
return letters to Mr. Mulligan ? A. That was flio
understanding, I guess: lie said he would he hack with
the letters in hla pocket at half-past bins or ten
q. And the uiin?rttandin,: waa that when he came
hack about half-past nine or'ten o'clock, ho was to re
turn thorn to Mr, Mulligan ? A. No, air.
Q. You Mid go awhile ago f A. Then I did not un
derstand (lift question.
Q. Kor what purpose was tie to return with the let
ter* at half-pan nine or ten o'clock? A. It *?* a
Batter of agreement between Dim fc?"t Mr. Mulligan.
Q. What was the matter of agreement t A. 1 do not
Q. Then how do you know that it was a matter of
agreement? A. Hecause i heard them ftate it.
(J. Wbut did you iieur them fttnie? A. The fart that
ho would ho back with the letter* at hall-past nine or
ten o'clock.
(J. MTtint for? A. I do not know.
Q. What did you understand for? A, I did not un
derstand at alL
Q. iVbcu lie wont 0(1' with these letters which he hud
got ironi Mr. Mullipun he promised him to come back
with tho I.'tiers ai hail past nine o'clock? A. Or ton.
Did lie come back with the letters at half-past nino
or ten o'clock, but did not seu Mr. Mulligan? A. He
did not sue Mr. Mulligan to my knowledge.
Q.*ls that the correction you wish to make ?QA. Yes,
By Mr. Blaine?1 did not S'-e Mr. Mulligan because
Mr. Mulligan was not In the room ? A. Yes.
Mr. Blaiix'?1 went to the room where he had been,
and 1 was there by agreement and lie wax not?
By the Chalrmnn? If vou know that tact yon may
state iL A. That is the fart; Mr. Mulligan was not
Q. Where was Mr. Mulligan ' A. I do not know.
Mr. Mulligun?1 was In the hotel nil uight; 1 was in
the room when be cam-) buck with the letters, and 1
stayed there lor some time, and they began to tulk to
mo a long titiio about those letter", and I told them
plainly that 1 would talk with thorn no longer upon tho
subject; he reiuscd to deliver me the letters and I wont
Too Chairman?That was when he came back at half
past nino or ten o'clock?
Mr. Mulligan?Yes.
Adjourned until to-morrow morning at eleven
Wasuixotos, June 2, 1870.
The cross-examination of I.awrenco Harney was re
sumed to-day before tho Committee on Expenditures
In the War Department, Mr. R. K. Elliott, counsol for
Speaker Kerr, conducting Ik
The wituess sutd he would like to have Speaker Kerr
present. Mr. Ciymer, the Chairman, replied that Mr.
Kerr was not well enough to be here.
The witness said the time that elapsed between his
first Interview wtib Oreene, who was seeking a position
In the army, and his first interview with Mr. Kerr on
the subject was Inside ol a month; within that timo
he was looking among members of Congress to llnd nut
who had such an appointment iu the army, ho spoke
to William A. Darling, Henry J. Raymond and Nelson
Taylor and another member of the House Irom Brook
lyn, since dead. He did not recollect tho names of any
others, and may have applied to the gentlemen named
for information
Tho witness repealed ranch ot what ho said on (be
direct examination, including tho statement that Mr.
Kerr said tirocne. bclug a republican, must have demo.
| emtio indorsement. Ito thought Greeno said that
Fernando Wood had recommended him.
Q. Did you not propose to Greene before yoq con
sulted with #:iuy member of Congress that you would
procure him the plac? lor $31)0 or $40G ? A. I told bim
I did nut know what it would coat, as I did not know
what tin- price of a member of Congress was.
Q. Dirt you not at the first interview propose specifi
cally to him to procure tbo appointincnt lor him for
??lOOorMOfl? A. No. r
INTEHVISW with nuns.
Tho witness related the circumstances ot bis inter
view with 1 'nited Slates District Attorney Bliss. Ho
?aid that liliss sent lor him. Bliss was alone when Us
entered his room, und shook hands with him. saving
"Good morning," and addod that he looked weli and
complimented him on bis appeuranco?(laughter)? ma
then Bliss expressed a desire to know something about
the (ireci.e matter Bli,a asked, "What is the mailer
about Greene? What's the tioiible?" t'on'inulng to
ask questions of that kind, Bliss luither asked "Did
you not interest yourself about Greene and is ttoro
any money in the matter?''
1'hs witness declined to tell him anything nbout
money, lie never >aw Bliss again on the subject. Ho
tnarto no communication to any otliur gentleman, nor
was ho tnt< r vie wed by nowspaper correspondents He
thought that Bliss was un upright, honest gontleman
who would punish all criminals. Ho never knew such
a man as he was to push people. Ho would twosr to
that. After Mr. Bit** bad made his recent statement
In New York he saw Mr. Bliss, wtio said he did make
the statement, as ho wnuted to push the matter und
punish wrongdoers, whother republicans or democrats
Bltfs did not urge him to come to Washington and
testily in this case, nor did William A. Da ling or any
other gentleman urge him to do so. Tne witness said
the fact that he secured the appointment lor tirccno
was known to everybody in New York, but he said
nothing nbout money to anybouy and he repeated
that It was between on? and tiiree o'clock In the after
noon when Mr. Kerr called hltu aside at the door of tho
House of Representatives snd said, "I will tako that
money now.'' Alter be rcc. Ivol the money from
Greeno tie kept It in his pocket as the best piaco until
be gave it to Mr. Kerr. His relations toward the dem
ocratic party wero of the best kind. He bad as honest
and upright friends among tho democrats as among tho
republican* I
y. What is a striker? A It Is a man whi gets all |
tho money be can out ot you and then knocks you !
W Are you a striker? A. I never struck a man for
his money in my life.
Q. Who are your backers or particular friends?
Name ?ome of thom. A. Oeorgo Opdyke, Havomeyer
Nesaelrode aud William A. Darling. '
Mr. K11 lot t, counsel for Mr. Kerr, asked tbs witness
about his recollection of the copy of the anonymous
letter sent to Speaker Kerr, and which bad been shown '
to blm by Mr. Moore. Mr Kiliott wanted witness to 1
write down a copy of the letter, but the wiuies* said
be could not do so, as the only words he saw in tho let
ter were "Lawrence Harney, Mr. F.llloit dr.
sirsd thus to test the recollection of the witness. The
chairman decidod that Mr. Kiliott had a right to tnako
the request with the view of indicating tbat the wit
ness insv have been the writer of ibu anonymous lat
ter. Tho witness wrote his name on u pieco oi paper,
so that Mr. Kiliott might jiidgo of the haudwriting.'
Mr Kiliott insistod that ho should write out the letter.
The witness said he was now too nervous to write, but
he might be able to do so soino tune to-day.
Mr. Kiliott waived hisdomaud lor tho present.
The witness said he worked lor Greeno from ms
tires ol friendship, and never exacted to make any. '
thing out or it. He never had auv other disinterested j
transaction of this kind. Ho lurtiier testmed that he
not.Mr Moors at tho Tribunr building, but said '
nothing more to him than to pass the time ot day. '
Ho did not sjy that Bliss and Davenport were damned j
rai-euls. He tried to be a moral man, and, therefore
never used such language. After he delivered Ins teal 1
timouy on Monday he left the committee room, and 1
bad no sooner don?so than ho was booted at In the
passage way by men whom ho thought were employed
III tho folding room. He hurried out of the Capitol and
returnod to bis hotel. He there saw Abram Wakeman.
who came on tbs samo iraln with him nnd also re- i
turned to New York with him. Mr. Wnkemaa told :
that bo mine to Washington to
attend to a cmao tn tho Supreme Court, but ho i
did not know whether Mr. Wakentan had done so. '
Witness had a hurriel convorsaiion with the clerk of
tho l.otel, the clork having said to him, "What have
you been doing at the Camtol to-day?makiug a big
row? ' The witness said to tbe clerk tbat he would I
nnd out the consequences, aud made some allusion to !
tho democratic party, llu could not repest his remark
as he was vory much excited at tho time, In conse!
queoco of tbe rado treatment lie received at the Capi
tol; but soon after'uiakltig the remark, seeing tho Im
propriety of It, he recalled It.
Alter a recess. Mr. Kiliott renewed his request thst
tho witness writo at hi* dictation tlie anonymous letter
addressed to Speaker Kerr, which he did, as follows:?
Til* iMITian LKTTKK.
i-?iT"7#r ,,.c,rc.nlJ.tln*'u Ne* *?"< ">?? one TIarner, now
tn the Appraiser ? Department there. gar* yon in lr*MM'<<>
vr 1" appointment ol one Amtustus J*. tireene. of New
i ?? ?"7"<l lieutenant. Harney may b. .ummoued;
duet not wiint to b?; ha* not v?t be?n.
Mr. Kiliott having asked witness at what college he
graduated, he replied that all the schooling he received
was between niuo and eloven years of ago at a Metbo- !
dial school. On being asked whether he could not i
spoil bettor tbsn be just did, the witness repllod he had 1
done the liest he could under ibe circumstances.
Mr Kiliott exhibited to the witness a letter which ho i
said his wtfo wrote at the dictation of Greene and signed 1
his name to It. i
The cross-examination here ended
Mr. Meyer Strause, of Pennsylvania, being sworn, I
tostilied-Ho was a member of Congress trotn tbe
Schuylkill district In lnrtd. He knew Iaiwrencn Har- !
ney, who waa A'slstsnt Doorkeeper at tbe time. Har
ney a number of times asked bim to use his influence
to procure hm friend Greene an ?p|>ointinciii in the
army. Harney spoke of Groene'a character as a sol
dier. and tho witness wrote a Inter to President John
son In lavor of such appointment. Harney said to him
m*9U have influence with the President and have
always been tho soldier's filend, therefore vou
ean help (ireene by writing a letter." Harney
said to him tbat lie (Harney) could make a !
little money, probably f400 or fioo, out of the bust- !
"?"J1- *)'ness told h m tbat be bad nothing to do 1
with thut. He received no money and never saw auy
Tlic witness was very Intimate with Mr. Kerr bat !
nover saw him havo any iiiertourse with Harney.
Harney was very courteous and friendly, and the :
witness bccamo quite intimate with him."because be
?eemed to attend to his hu?inos4 obligingly. Harney
was a republican with democratic proclivities, and as
1 resident Johnson was a little shakr Harney told him '
It was necessary that Greeno should havo some demo
cratic Influence.
<>n cross-examination. Mr. Strause said Harney told
bim bis position did not pay well and his expenses
wore heavy.
Tbo committee adjourneJ till to-morrow noon.
to Bi coNfliniRED a cnmrnt,* wrritxm
It is not generally known thst I^twronce Harney, tbe
accuser ol Speaker Kerr, is a kind of brother-in-law to
tho famous bauk robber, Charles Newman, alias
"Dutch Helnnch." and holds a similar strange re la
tloniblpt* the squally famous sneak thief, "Sbeony
Maguire," To sum np the character of Harney, in the
language of Mr. James Laber, the Bowery sporting
man. as given to a Hkkald reporter la** nit;ht, "He
was a cover at Bowery and BroMi? street, a bounty
Jumper during tbe war and a couikicnco man and lard
| bnnfc-steerer afterward." Among the criminal clius ol
j tbe pity Harney is well known. Originally a Hitler in
| the Sixth ward, he wan noted as a in?mber
I of thn nolorluh gang known as "tho Head Rabbits."
He was I hen a man of line appearance and was clans '<1
asasportiugm.il). His h<'a.li|u irtcrs were at tho cor
ner of the Bowery and Hroomc street. Here lie drifted
Into tbe character of a "statue" or "cover," one of
those persous who are dally seen on the Broadway
> corners above Houston street, and whose mode of ex
istence Is not only precarious, but desp.cable. There
is plenty ot evidence against Harney In this regard.
Tbe war came nnd he
Emigrants wno wade hi* acquaintance were promptly
enrolled, and their bounties were paid to mm. The
war closed ami ho reappeared In Inn capacity of Inro
bunk "capper." After a brief s|K>ll at tins occupa
tion he was heard of as conductor on the Third Ave.
nue Railroad tinder William A. Darling. While there
he made the acquainmncc of Sarah Davis, a sister of
Theodore and Thomas Davis, and of Mary und Henrietta
Ibivis. Mury Davis was married to Chariot* Newtuun
alias Dutch Heiurich and Henrietta to "Sheeny"
Maguiru, both ol whoso pictures are In the Rogues'
Gallery. Harnev bad then a w'fe a ltd two children,
who are now residing at Na 804 Sixth avenue, t'oon
after becoming acquainted with Sarah DavH lie formed
a deeper intimacy with her. So notorious did this become
Miat among porsous unncquilnted with the tact ol Ins
lormcr marriage, and even among dotective oflioer*.
Sarah, or "Sally," Davis was regarded as Harney's
wife. She Is now residing In this city, and was seen on
liroadway three days ago dressed in' the height ol tlio
prevailing lasbion. Of tbe Davis family It may be said
thai ?
Both "Tom" und "The." Davis tiro lino looking men,
fully live feetoiovou inches high, ol athletic build and
handsome features. Their sister Mary w.is noted us
one of the most boantllul women in New York. "The. "
Davis begun bis business us a pickpocket and
graduated into a lirst class bunk robber und
sneak. Ho had us Ills partner his brother
in-law, "Sheeny" Maguire. His picture is in tho Rogues'
Gallery. He owns propeity In Ridee sireet, which, it
Is understood, is holl In tlio name ol Ills
wife. Thomas Davis was first Known us a
partuor of William Varley, alias Keddy tho Black
smith, iu tho den at No. 7 Chatham square.
They then opened u concort-girl saloon and laro bank
on the corner of Pell street and the Bowery. Alter
keeping this plaeo for some months a disagreement
arose between "Roddy" and Davis and tho partnership
was dissolved. "Roddy" returned to No. 7 Chuliain
square and Davis cmburkud in the "suwdis."
or counterfeit money swindling business. In
this vocation ho rapidly amassed money, nud
now owns a considerable amount ol real
estato uptown. In an iuterview had with Mr. DuvU
yesterday l e refused to furnish anv information what
ever regarding Harney's career, not on the ground of
damagiug bis sister's character, but, as ho said him
sell, because he wus a republican In |Hi|i
tics and did not want to mj re
his party. Private detectives aro now engaged
working up tho career of Mr. Harney. Tliey have
already learned that he took Sally Davs with him to
Washington as his wife. She is about thirty-one years
old, of lino figure, pleasing fcuturos and curly aiiburn
hair. Iu a few days It is understood that aflldnvits
will he submitted showing the peculinr nfMla ion be
tween Harney and his supposed political backers.
A great deal of interest has been felt by the public
in the proceedings of tho Congressional committee
which has just closed its Investigation of several of
tho federal oincos In ttys city. The committee's pur
pose was not to collect tacts as to existing abuses in
New York alone, bat nad tho broader range of many
of the chiof cities of tbe Cnlon, and tho ultimate ob
ject to bo gained was to socuro appropriate legislation,
to lemody evils wbich aro ol long duration In im
portant public business. The United States officcs In
this city which aro moro Immediately con
nected with local politics have been for
years past conducted In a manner bordering
on Ibe mysterious, fo far as the public knowledge of
their methods and ways was conccrneit, and tho re
cent Investigation helped to throw some light upon
many unintelligiblo practices, nud on none moro
_ than on those of the Chief Supervisor of Elections,
John I. Davenport, who soems to have hud tho whole
lederal Treasury at his back In tho accomplishment of
his political parposos. Tho views of Mr. Meade, ol tho
Congressional Sub-Committee on this matter, as well
as his outspoken opinions relative to tho charges made
recently against Speaker Kerr, and his ideas as to the
requirements and chances of prominent democratic
candtoaies lor tbo Presidential nomination, aro interest
ing, and, as they wero procured last night, they are
now laid betoro the readers of the Herald:?
"How do you look upon the Investigation by the
commltteo of which you were chairman, so far as our
local aflhirs are concerned ?" said tbe writer.
"Tbe result wus very satisfactory to tbe commutes
In what was sought to bo obtained. We desired to
ascertain tho condition of tbe federal offices, with a
view to tbe removal of abuses which are complaincd of
in this and othor parts of tbe country. Kspociallv arn
these abuses complained of In the frontier States and
Territories We selected Now York as the best place
to obtain tho requisite Information whereby we might
devise the proper laws by which we might prevent
these abases in lutare. These abuses havo
been el very gradual growth, originating when
tbo United Stales courts and tbe offices attached to tbo
samo;were regarded as of verjr little importance Tho
eommlttee Is well satlsflod with the result of tbo in
vestigation here and In Brooklyn. It has looked into
tho United States clerks' offices of both ettics, also the
offices of the Distriot Attorney, the Marshal's office in
this ritjr, and incidentally into the offices of iha
Shipping Commissioner and of tho Supervisors of
Elcotlon in this city and Brooklyn. The committee Is
of tho opinion that it will now be ablo to present such
measures lor reform as'will receive tbe
saxotiox or mi sxtirs couxtrt. "
"What particular abuses did you find wbich yoa 1
might spcclfy T"
"Id the absence of action on the pqrt of tho commit- i
tea It would b? premature In mo to oxpress an opinion |
in regard to all of these office* Respecting the oQIco
of Marshal, In this city, I may safely nay that It ii con
ducted m a manner which entitles its head to great
credit, and that tho committee baa examined no office
In tho entire country srhlch Is conducted with higher
regard to business principles and the public Interest.
It must be admitted that there are certain abuses con
nected therein with the Deputy Marshals, but 1 do not see
how they can, under existing circumstance*, be avoided
without further legislation on the part of Con^res*.
Personally I hare not altogether approved of the un
called civil service reform, which ha* been so strenu
ously advocated by (icorgo W. Curtis and Mr. Katon,
of this city, but if it had been in all instunces n? sue
icsslul as In Hie cane of Mr. Flske. Whose appointment,
as 1 understand, whs a practical application of that
law, 1 do not lielieve ili.it (lie country would Uave
rcascn to be dissatisfied with It, nor should President
Grant have u?ed bis prerogative to prevent Its opera
tion. I hopo you will excuse me from saying an) thing |
further in regard to the other ofllces wo have investi
gated here."
' "Do you think that the commit tea will adopt Mr.
Flake's recommendation respecting au increase or pay
for deputy marshals with a view to thus removing them
further irom the tempbtton to Corruption I"
?'I belteva tho tonimmeo will do so. The present .
legal compensation Is certainly tnsdc<|iiato. It will be
necessary, however, to make rigid rogula.ions respect
ing tho nvmber of deputies, else serious abuses may
follow, especially in tho Irontier States and Territories,
where these ollli iaU have a powerful
and wbore an increase ol salaried oillrinl* would prove j
an> thing else than beneficial to the public interest.'' ,
"What Is your opinion in regard to the otflee of
raited States .Supervisor of Election, now bald by Mr.
J. I. Davenport r '
? As 1 nave before stated It would be Improper in ma
to express the opinion ol the committee on that sun
Jcet. i may say, however, that Mr. Davenport attaches
an Importance to timsilf In that position respecting '
our investigation which Is not shared by the committee.
For, so lar as Mr. Davenport Is concerned, he Is really
ol but very little importance, a kind ol lly on tbu cart
wheel. The attention <>( the committee wns directed to
Davenport by reaaoo of what were believed to be
anautbor'.zod and secret approprmtfons of public
mone>s by order or President Oram to Daven
port lor obviously political purposes. Mr. Davenport
was very anxious to explain that all these moneys re
ceived by him through order of President tirant had
been properly expended. Whether he has succeeded
in proving so much I shall leave you to determ.ne
from the report ot tho committee, which may soon be
expected. Hut whether properly expended or other
wise, I am Impressed that tho people of this country
will be unwilling to allow any of Its officials to make
use of puMIc moneys in a manner otherwise than con
templated by express provision of law. Mr. Davenport
has exposed a good deal of an.Moty in attempt
ing to show that he played nn Important part In
suppressing the Irauda at an election at a period an
tenor to that in which he became the recipient ol pnb
lie fnnris. Concerning these frauds, which ocourred
about the years 1MB and 1ST0, there can ol course bo
no two opinions among thoso familiar with our local
Kiiiti's. And 1 have been a good deal entertxlned nad,
f that mutter, bored, during toe past two weeks with
tnose who respectively claimed to have been the orig
inators of the scheme which prevented those frauds
Their amber is certainly larger than that of the titles
which r.lmmrd the birthplace of nomor. Tho?e frwtt
were the fruit ol'an
ALUASCB XADU B*r?KKN LrAIM*? dk*ocrat? and *?"
ri'BLicAXt, .
known a* the rmp with the uprlatng of the peopl?
calue the downWlI of th-i rthg, ??'?? *Hh I hit do wu tall
imre election* euaued. lloth lunirt ?r? M")', ?.
have lor aevcral yearn, iu favi.r of au bwwt ballot
b'i\. Mr. li:?VfUi>ort may have contributed iu como
,1 .re- to tin* result in tho carrying out <?f
In the aeveral ward*, but the ner*?alty for bia office
i?.?a innp hincc H can uccomplifh uo roM
u thH time, anil Is only potential in the hanoa
,r ?nv uartv for evil. there tx uo ques
tion >vi>ont Daren|iort'? extreme pariUausblp, and
the offloe is to exist ut all it -hould
be held Wv a man <?[ judicial and nou i.artlain charac.
t^r Our State laws, una their rigid enforcement uodei
il ? ??, I" !??'?"?
??. ..... i-?. <? ??
I , ? ohMrauter ol Harney, who give testimony
s?''J-as - w"Ms
,*,?.r?T.r' iii?" rt" ,*"or.
!&&????* assart
tia utiack, for I kn<<* no olio in thin "J*0"*M?W?
"tt; 'nr.- nSr;1?s wsss??"?
^ IK- davoloiMMl Mr Kerr wilt atand higher thalt ever
xnlritev which now < xists against bnu lully eatabliahed.
The Investigation |!olni! o i at }>re*ont
and Msociationa u of "itch a character that I could not
if I would make it public. ' u?.h? what ludi
"In regard to the Presidency, Mr. Mi ado, what juag
mem have vou lornied lu your ufRocintlon* with lead
ing etWaahlngtoa i? to the democratic candl
da"\Vell vou are now embarking upon rather an un
wen, y iiiH^ment tho Soutn la willing t?
Fv-?SLr- ek&hs
?h" Southern by the fhemoney
questlon^yn'^'menj^'1" ^^'^^(j^ate^omiug'wn
"ihlr"liesft may be drilled aa a downright op
SSSnSJSS> Smiw ?'? ?i?-2
! s:sunsT^an?tfSaHS
democratic party expert sucoos a ter tfeleat in ine
to" m ** Imporiance of
i dontial campaign I j.rgey llI1(j Counectleut If
carrying New ^ork Ne^Jer^^.^r^ do_
I Je?t?m tho State elections ol and
jrinia, mlKht nUo l ^ anooart to
I s^jy^ssSs&sSs
, omoor 'n''?n?' mnm.uri d?uio
of l.la nomination. But very many doubla ?r Ui?
' "C1^oaS
! SSssssast
Jon think that that would allcct h.a nomination at St.
I ''"."tvln ..f miira" any decided oppotttion Irom thl?
gyST 5"??"1S "XXU'W H nm.j
^"whaTlT'the'fwIIng in Washington roapectlng Gov
! ernor Hcnunck. ?;? ??bdJ^T frie?d. at Waahlng
knowledge of that 'nv^ '1" ^.^"*
iied that Governor Uendricua *" ?? ?* *
would be that of Governor T.lden or any equally good
mMr ' Meade excuaed h'.maeir from nnawerlng ?ny
expected to day.
At half-past ten I aft night, )mt as tb? ferryboat led
the Hobokcti nip to cross to tbc New York tide, a wo
man Jumped overboard. Who was rescued by KdwaN
Meltrldo, a deck hand on board the boat, and taken t?
the New York aide, whi'u she and a main compamoi
were nrrcKicU ,inU taken to the Ninth precinct station.
They were both under ih? irdu -nce of li<|uor. The
woman cave her name as Emma Creamer and the man
his aa Thomas J. Or. .imer. l'no woman admitted her
attempt to kill herselt She stated that in a eonver
eatioii with Creamer ho told her the best Hung f-ho
could do was to Jurrtp overboard sod sho artcd on the
suggestion. Creauirr waa locked np on a charge o1 la
On Wednesday laat tho police authorities were mad*
aware certain counterfeit bill* of the Nation*! Bank
or Wcsttleld, M.iss . being in circulation, and laat night
John Knm. of No. "9 Catherine at reel, waa arretted
lor pissing one of them upon Maurice Wolf, ot No. 399
Third avenue.
John H OKI and Charlotte Thompeon were arrested
yesterday for pacing counterfeit livedollar notee on
the Hampden National liank, of WcatQeld, tfaaa.
iiill remained outside while his companion entered
different store,- and made trifling purchases,
each time oflerttiK one of the spurious Mile.
Jacob l/on>;st*rer, ot No. 282 Bieecker street, waa the
fli at complain ant, and niter word had been aent around
to the shopkeepers three more turned up wbo had
taken tne iiotea, the woman aimed that (till waa*
stranger to her previou* to yesterday, wjen aha caa
uallv made m* ac|iuiintaiiro. He told her of havini
the liill*. and arranged with her that she abonld nlfei
them OIU, wli'-n Arretted, had in hla pnseessir.n four
teen of the counterfeit bills and I'M in one* and two*
of good money, evidently change tor other* of t)i?
Hoth of the white wha'e* recently brought to tbta
country from the island of Am Coudros, on tha ooistof
Labrador, lor the sqeartum now preparing on Ik* cor
ner ol Thirty-fifth street and Broadway, will most llkel)
bo lost to the soientille world beforo their projected
home is completed. One died last Wednesday and the
other ta now supposed to be bleeding to death. These
two whale- were captured with considerable difficulty
and brought to New York In a targe tank. On their
arrival here tbey were transferred to a tank about
; thirty lect in diameter whwh had been constructed
c?penally tor tiieir comfort The tank was kept cen
stnntly supplied with a ireeb stream of salt rawr and
i they were lod with liye eels and Sen. The female whale, a
I mounter, measuring sixteen Icet, cat herself In the
fluke on TuenJay last and must have bum an artery, as
the blood flowed so freely that on Wednesday morning
| she rose in the lurtanc, turned over and died. Her body
was raised out of the tank with the assistance of a der.
rick and taken to a taxidermist's, where It was pre
pared aBdfhas stnre been sent to the ^mithsonisti In
stitute in Washington. The male rtah isahMat flMvea fetl
long, and he also appears to have cet himself la tha
tank, aa the water li much discolored with Mood,
however, appeared quite lively yeeterdaraftsrniMto
and sw im around the tank with considerable vim, Vis
ing to the top every now tnd then to "Mow." The
work on the building is rapidly progrsetiag tnd in
about six or eight weeks ths urge tanks *111 be placed
1 in the main building orthe aquarium, which ta to b
devotsd to the bippopotaotas, sea Hoot, sea la. wt
j ruses tad elher large ampblbiona areata?**

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