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SEARCH FOR FRAUD.
History of tlie Struggle for the New
Orleans Colleetorship.
TESTIMONY OF MR. DARREYL
How Anderson's Influenoe Was
Brought to Bear.
THE WEBER AGREEMENT AND SHERMAN LETTER
Mysterious Ways of Carpet
? Baggers Explained.
RAISING A BREEZE FOR THE BLOODTfaSHlRT
Power of the Returning Board at
the White House.
[fbom oub special correbpondent.]
Washikotos, Jo no II, 1878. ^
In the Pottor Committee to-day Oeneral Bntler,
mid hearty applause, comploted the discovery of hit
maro'a nest ol ysstorduy and took en accoant ol tho
eggs. Be drew from bis wltnes?os the ozelting fact
that llr. Van Born, Mr. I'oolo, Mr. West and Mr.
Hancock having recommended Mr. Bowlds Baker to
office, he In time recommended them to Governor
Hayes, In Columbus, lor Cabinet positions.
Anderson, on cross-oxamlnatlon. Bald tbst he waa
the author of the plan by wbicb me republicans did
not vote in East Feliciana In oruer to oauso tho parish
to be thrown out; also be testified positively that be
bad nevor said to any one tbat tho alleged Sherman
letter was signed also by Mr. Stoughton.
Ex-Congressman Darrall, who was brought down
from the White House to testily, flatly contradicted
Anderson on this point, asserting that Anderson al
ways spoko to blm about the letter as tho Sherman and
Stenghton letter. Mr. MacMabou tried In vain to got i
Darrall to admit that be now believed, or tbat be
even bad ftason 10 believe, other than on tho assor.
lions of Anderson and Mrs. Jonks, tbat tnere was a
Sherman letter. Be owned freoly that ho haa told
people about snob a letter, but only because he was
told by these two that it existed. Mrs Jenks, be
?aid, spoce of It to him as the Sherman letter ana
told Mm she meant to use U In Packard's behalf. He
raised a ripple of Interest when ne said that the An
derson document had been shown to some ol Mr.
Ttlden'e 1 wends In New York and to Senator
Conkllug, and tbat Mr. Tllden'a friends did not con
eider them wortn purchase. His testimony showed
pretty clearly that the documents and Senator
Matthews' letters to Anderson were used by the latter
to blackmail Mr. Matthows, who was threatened with
exposure unless be helped Anderson's plans. On the
whole, Darrall'e testimony weakened Anderson's ovl
danoe and plaoed him In a more suspicious and eon*
temptlble light than bolore, U that is possible.
THE XKW OKLEAXS COI.LKCTOBSnlP.
The letters of Darrall to Anderson, which were read
lo-day, are a part ol lha history ol tho long struggle
* ?vor the New Orleans Colleetorship. Senator Mat.
thews' share, as it appears in these letters, la not very
ireditable. Darrall was not a proper person for the
' tfflce wbioh, according to these letters, ha seema le
lave solicited for him through Andorson's influence^
Packard, Hnnt, Steele, Marks and Bshn, mentioned in
these letters, were all oandldntes lor the Collector
?bip, bat it seems tbat the appointment bnng Ore
?BUI Madison Wolls came here, when George L. Smith
wakappolnied on the special ground, as was understood
and pnblioly stated at the time, that be was satis
factory to Wells and Anderson?to tho Loniaiaoa He
turning Board, that Is to say. And this Is the end
of oivil service relorm. It was hardly .worth while,
some republicans are say tug here, to mafjP so much
loss lor io little. Tbore is s growing feoUag
smongdecent people that ibe President ought, lor hie
own sake, io summarily dismiss irom oltlco tho whole
drew ol disreputable people, beginning with the mem.
bers of tbe Roiurnlng Board, wbem his evil genius
bos Induced blm to favor, contrary to tbe advloe of
many ol the beat men ol bis party.
MR. MATTHKWS TO BK KROI'FKO.
The democrats on the Potter Committee do not wish
to raise a troublesome issue with the Senate at this
stage ol tbe session, and have determined that as Sen
ator Matthews ralnsos to appear beforo Ibe commit
tee In reply to their summons, tbey will not move any
farther In the matter. The republicans of tho com
mittee are, It la said, trylngto persuade Mr. Matthews
to appear and testily. Tho requoel for his appearance
was made at the demand ol Uenoral Bntler, but of
toarse unless tlie committee agree to proas tho mat
tor he will havo to let it rest where It la.
MEETING AND ORGANIZATION OF THE MATTHEWS
f< FECIAL COMMITTEE.
[FROM OUlt REGULAR CORRESPONDENT. 1
Wamuisoton, June 11, 1878.
Tbe specialoommlttceof the Senate appointed under
Mr. Maltnews' resolution mot to-day and organised.
Mr. Edmunds baa conolndod to retain the position
of cbairutao. Nothing wua done beyond organisation,
bat It was agreed tbat nothing In the nature ol
Investigation should be undertaken until after
the adjournment of Congress, as their duties in the
Bonnie will keep tbetn loo busily occupied to allow
them to undertake other work.' Tbe committee will
remain a week, or pernaps two, alter Congress ad
journs, and will then adjourn until September. Their
?rat work wilt be to hear tho tl.tiement of Senator
Matthews, and then, perhaps, examine An dorr on.
FROCREDXBOS Of TUK POTT KB COMMITTER.
\V s 111 sc. tor , Jane 11, 1878L
The Potter Investigating Committee got to work
about twelve o'elocc to-day.
i Tbe Chairman informed Mr. Batter that after tbo
adjournment just evening two clerics from tbe offlno
?f tbe Atlaatlo ana PaeiQo Telegraph Company bad
come to tbe committee room witb booas
?bowing tbe sending lo Columbus, Ohio, of
tbe liowlds Baker telegram (produced by Mr. liotler
yosiorday) aed ilia receipt of the message acknowl
edging It. lie ^supposed that that was all that Mr.
duller wanted to show to ratitblmh the laci of the
telegrams being sent.
Mr. BVTi.rn expressed bis opinion tbetthatcom
fleted tbe cbsin of evldenoe on tbsl point.
TIIK MIBI'IX.SA or MR. MAT1 H RWIS.
The Chaikmam then staled that by tbe direction of
Ike cominitteo n so' pcana had been Issoed to Senator
Meithews, rotnrnoble at ten o'clock this morning,
end that tbe subpoena had been accompanied by a
letter, el wbteh the following la a copy
WAMIS'frOW, D. G? .tune 10, IS7H.
Hia-I have the honor to acknowledge ynnr letter of the
gth Inn deelliilng to Accept the Invitation of tbe commit
tee uf lnventl**th>n of the HoeeO ol Kepreaomailves lu
appear before Uiimi. I bare Ull ymir loiter Ire lore the
committee, but they have ant lelt at liberty to ilirpuiiHe
with ynur attendance, arid have directed (by fosoluttnn)
that a Mbpreaa l?e?a to yon, nf milch 1 enclose a
cony. Bui there It no imrpo?e uf requiring your sticndnnce
at a 11mr wlncit map Interfere with your ulftclal datle* an
a Henat.ir. and there will be mi tl.n pari ol tbo emninlttca
every dlnpo.itlnn to meet your eetivenieaco In regard to
the tim? ol your attendance. I here the honor to lie, elf,
vert reeneetlnlly. ymr .ihedlent eervanl,
(ILAKKaON It. PUTTKIt, Cbatnnen.
lion. Htaslbv MarriiKwa.
Mr. Cox sugga?ted that tho matter lie over for to
day, ana It wus so oraered.
AXnsnsen RKCAM.kfk.
Tbe wltnees, Jamos K. And rson, was then recalled
?on examined by Mr. Cox us loliewe:? ,
Q. 1 dcalre to call your atlontion to the porlod,
thoul the 27th ol Jnne, 1*77, at which a letter irom
2'oiineli to Senator Matthews wus written, coniineno
DK "lien era I Smith his given me tbo text
pf your letter." l'be ijusetlon waa then put to you.
Whether Hint waa the last letter which you addrosaed
to llr. Matthews, nud your answer waa that that waa
the last letter (you thought) In July. As your exami
nation wss teken. the impression lull on my mind wss
tbsl that was the whole ol your communication, ill
rretlv or indirectly, with .senator Matthews about tbe
matter. I therefore now ttsk vou lor a con
tinuance ol anything that you recollect in
reforence to your communication with Con
tra! Smith, (be apcoiuimeni clerk ol the
Treasury Department at that time t A. Alter that j
letter was written I met General Smith, and told hiiu
trial I thought 1 would withdraw all o la una on the iid
miuisi ration provided ho would appoint my brother to
a i osiHon in tho llalilinoru Custom House, or rather
(correcting himsoll) 1 went iu General Hmiiti and
listed htm II ho would not appoint my brother, and bo
asked mo If I was willing to withdraw my claims In
en so he would do so, or rather (again correcting him
sell) he nsKod me If 1 would be satisfied with tho up.
poimmcnt of my brother and 1 said 1 would be, and ho
askod ino io give him a letter to that cffcoc
Q Did you do ao? A. 1 did.
y. Was your brother uppoiotod? A. Ho waa.
y. la he suit aortriDg there? A. ho is still ecryiog
there.
Q Have you a copy or that letter? A. I have not
y. W is there any lurihor cotumaolcatlon with Gen
eral Smith alter that? a. None wnatovor.
y. Was thai tpe end of your communications at that
time? A. If Of, so tar as I recollect.
y. That was about ihe middle of Juno, 187T, and
from that time onward there was ao lurther commu
nication nntil January, sud tbst completed the traua
ucuod? A. Yea.
y. Why did you not tell us that the other day? a.
I did uot think of it, or 1 thought tho matter would
bo called lor If it was wanted.
Tlir. WKIIKR AGRKKKSirr.
Afidersou was then questioned as to.tbs signing and
acknowledgment oi the Weber agreewont; It was not
true, he said, that he nimsell only, and not Weber
also, had acknowledged that paper belore tho noiary
public ; It waa not true that he (Auder?on) or any one
known to him had added to the acknowledgmeot ibo
words "and D, A.Weber;" It was not trus that ths
name ot i>. A. Weber was written In after tbuso
knowledgmoot was signed, anddi was not trus that
tbo notary bad signed bis numo right alter bis (Ander
son's), and mat Weber's name had to be crowded in;
be had never said to anybody that the Sherman letter
waa also signed by Mr. btougmon, nor that ho hod a
letter algnou jointly by Sherman and Stooghton.
TUB OFFKK TO MRS. JKNKS.
Then Mr. Reed got alter the witness about bla oilers
to Mrs. Jenka lor the Sherman loner, as lol owa:?
U, You spoke in your tesilmony ot Imviug oflorrd
to pay the mortgage of $600 on Mrs. Jocks' house
and to pay all nor expenses 11 situ would produce the
Sherman letter, Diuyouhavo that sum of money at
that lime? A. I did not.
Q Where wero you to get It? A. 1 knew very well
thai 1 could ruiso It >1 I could get the letter.
y. You had not men gone into the question of ways
und means on that subject? A. No.
y. You trusted to tho general siato ol the market,
did yon ? A. Not st all; 1 knew that I could get the
money In Philadelphia if I wanted It.
A. You know that there was a market for the lotlor
In Philadelphia? A 1 know that 1 could borrow the
money on my own responsibility.
Q Had yon any urrungemonl ut that time as to
whom you were to got tho money lrom ? a. None at
aP.
y. Was It yoor Intention to buy the letter for tbo
puipoee of disponing ol it again? A. Not at all.
Q. You did not intend io get the money back in
that way? A Not at all; 1 did not think ol such a
thing.
AKDHRSOX OX DGLLOOZIXO.
Mr. Reed banded to Andorson a loiter, whlcu be said
wus in his hsndwritiug, addresrea to idouionani Gov
ernor Autoiuo, as follows:?
CuifTox, Soph S. 1S7U.
Mr llrait UuTHunoit - During the tlrnl thrse uuy* ol to.:Ii
trillion only one colored man prcrrnteu hlmarlf. and he wus
brought in by a democrat. I saw something wus wrong and
sent mensoiigers Into the country, woo reportei tbut u very
small number ol the oolorod people knew of my utile* being
open 5 that tho whites ware c*ie ill y concealing tho tact and
wero using all possible inraus in prevent mm turning
forward. I Immediately took steps to counteruet thi-.
and as the result have registered thirty colored man in two
days. This, together wltn the tact that i am getting the
party together in the pariah and will koon hare a parish
ticKei lu tne Held, has convinced tho democrats that 1 am
an obstacle in the ' way of securing "good govern
ment,'' and how to get rid of ine is a ques
tion lo* being agitated. It could easily be uoue,
wl b tho aid of a few bullnosors, bat tney are
under tne impression (conveyed by your Uuiuhlo servant)
that 1 was sent hero tor tho express purpose of being
killed. In order to make political cuoltal. They don't pro
pose to "put tneir feel into it" in that way, and so my per
sonal tafecy is a subject ot anxious sultclndei.
i bey would run mo out, but I have told them if they did
tbey would have the pleasure ot having their parish oBl
finis appointed bv a republican Governor (Mr. Packard),
who would see that they were proved iu their position-.
The only comse left is to send you a solemn protest against
the appointment of anr one outside the pariso, and urging
my removal on those grounds. 'I boy think the fear ot what
may occur in the luture would Induce any one liriuir in the
paiisii to do as ihcp might dictate. I am going to win ibis
fight, it you wilt stand by me at yonr end ot tho lino.
1 hope that .Mr. t'inclihuck. or some oilier colored man,
will eome up with Mr. Packard. We will have a parish
ticket out ny that timo and it will give us u good start.
Don't remove sheriff .ilonnhnn. lie is an excellent irrn
tleuiiui. who will execute the law regardlesp of party. We
have nothing to fear from him. Will write you shortly in
regard to chtet oouetable. Truly, yours,
JaMLs E. aNDF.RSON.
Hon. IX D. Axtoixx, Ac. Ae.
By Mr. Blaokbarn?Dp you wish to oiler any ex
planation ol that letter that has beau read this morn
ing? A. 1 would like Hirnply to say that at that time
my impression in regard to the palish was derived
entirely irotn the republicans. 1 was snrrounded by
a set oi menAfho bad an internet in giving me that
" , Md f
impression, JSd 1 wro(e that letter and many ?tl or
letters acting under their Inlluence believing that
there was bulldozing in tne parish.
y. How long bad yon been in the parish at tbo dale
ol that loiter to Govornor Antoine? A Four or .live
days.
y. Than yon war* not glvlog the result of yonr per
sonal observation#; you were acting on the tutonus.
.Hon that bad bqen given to you by others? A 1 was
noting on kolormation given to mo by other*.
Q Antoine tas Lissstonnnt Governor at mat tuna?
A If es, stR'.'
y. Who Io the Mr. Monahan mootloned In your let
ter ? A. He was the SberiO at that time.
y Did you know him belore you wont Ihero? A
1 did not.
y. What wore Monabun'a polities? a He was a
democrat.
AFTKR THK KUtCTIOX.
Than Anderson was inquired oi us to who accom
panied him lrom Clinton (where he was ou the day ol
the election) to Binon Rouge (where he took tbo
steamboat lor New Orleans); be said he waa accom
panied by Jenks (lbs Deputy United Slates Mnrsn.il
lor the parish of East Feliciana) and two
democrats named Norwood and Wedge; they bad
travelled by hack, arriving in Baton Range
early In tho morning; tbore he had signed his
returns without protest; ho was atk<d bad be ro
ccived any money there alter signing the returns; he
replied that be hud received $360, being the amount
ol a u raft iroin the Secretary ol the 1'ollse Jury for
his salary for savoety days at $6 a day; he bad not
actually recoived the uralt himself, but bad given
Widge an order for it, and Wedge bad got it cashed
in iho bunk and paid him tho money.
' By tue Chairman?Did you hear belore the election
about men being seut around the parish to tell col
ored republicans not to vote? A. 1 did.
y. Who wero the men that wero so sent? A. 1
think that Captain Degray aud Colonel Howard at
tended to that uuamosa.
y. Did they tanc with you about it? A. Yes; It was
my suggaatioo.
AX IXGKK20US BUUORSTIOHt
y. Was It your suggestion mat nous of tbs rspubll
cans In tbst parish should vote? A. Tho way the
matter came up was ibis?Whoa 1 returned to New
Orleans and told Governor Kellogg bow the partsn
stood, they were in favor oi not nothing sn election
there.
y. Whom do you meun by "they?" A I
mean Govern .r Kellogg and the republic in stale
authorities. They were, auxlous that au ulectlon
should not bs held in tne parish, and 1 told thorn
thore wus a much belter wuy than Hint; that It wss a
beuer way io lisvAnu elociiou and have no republi
can voles ca-t, aud that iu a parish which two years
ago had given such s largp republican majority the
fact ot no ropublican votes bving cast would ne the
best prool ot inumidalion; tlna ihut (act would do
m."e good than all prool ol intimidation tbniconld be
g van. Tho republicans of ihe parish thought that a
good idea und tbey carried it out
y. And you ware tho author ol ihls ingenious sug
gestion ? A. Ye", I was the author ol thatlugen uus
suggestion and tbey gave ino credit lor It alierwuid
By Mr. Reed?At anat timo did you asks this in
genious suggestion f A. 1 first s;K>ke of it when 1
was in Now urlosut. shout the 27ih ol September.
UKSIHSH to KXI-I.AIK.
By the Chairman?You said the other day yon de
sired to make soma explanation wbtcu 1 out you oil'
lrom making?
Witoeas?1 do not tnow that I care now to maks
any explanation; I simply wanted to say that thea
Mr. Read had put a great many auswers in my mouth
which 1 bad no Idea ol making In regard to mr lesti
mony be.o'o the Senate Commute*; 1 nad made a loug
statement Dofure the Semite Committee that day and
1 was giving tu? republican side ol tbe case;
1 bad not liuUhed It when Mr. Snuiebury said I Imd
maue a rather long speech and ibai ho desired to ex
amine me; there were other statements winch 1 pos
sibly might have made and which 1 did not make on
that account
The ? linlrman?i understood yoa to My the other
day ibat wben you slated curtain facta betore tbo Men
utc Cdiiuuiitu# your unit wua to allow tbo committee
to draw false in'erencMf
Wnueat?Not tbat exactly, iwcnuM I had not n.aob
Idea that duy what I was going 10 do; tbey cut nx? > n
tne stand beloro consulting me; the impression
among republicans wan tboy would not out me on the
nunc, neither beloro tne .Senate or lloute comu I.
tee, end when they <ltd put tne on 1 in mo ib<- best
pnaaihle esse 1 ooold for tbo republican*, continue
myaelt al near aa 1 could to lue truth; thul la, I
mane aa good a republican eaee ae 1 could.
I be Chairman?And you did not depart from the
troth any more than waa necessary to uo tbat 1
The Witness? I did not depart from tbe troth at all
snort noLi.es hakkb.
After Anderaou retired'rom the eland two clerks
from trm I'oat Ofllco Department wore called <i|<on and
prodacoil Ironi the Dies of tho depart men I the recom
mendation ol Hollos linker as special agent and ol
Ucorgc A. Howard as llrst clssa clerk, the termer being
too auibor of tbe loDg telegram toColuuibua, Ohio,
and the latter ono ol llio aecreiartes to tbe Klectorai
Geniinlsslon. I,altera recommending Baker were
presented from the late Senator Morion, of
Indiana; Iteprwsentalivo 1 hrorkmorion, ol TeXa*;
H J. Van Home, of Missouri; George W. Garter, ol
Louisiana; John I'ool, ol North Carolina, and K. N.
Hill, President ol Hie Hoetnrrn Kepuhlican Associa
tion. R t com in endat lens of Mr. Howard wore signed
by Messrs. MoCrary, W illard and Hoar (republican
membora of Ibo oommitiee that trained the Klocloral
bill) and by Senators Bayard, Kernan and Morton.
as Mr. Hatter selected from the Bauer letters such
ms lie desired to use, ho remniki'd. In regard to those
signed by Van llorno aud Too1, that those were the
persons who had been ao well apokea ol by Baker In
bit Columbus telegram.
?'A oaso ol mutual admiration," suggested tbo
Chairman.
?'Yes; Vr, so we say In our neighborhood, 'scratch
me on too back aud 1 will tickle you ou tbo elbow.' "
Mr. Butler tben put tbe Post Oftlne elerka through a
long catechism ?s to tho puy ol special agents, in
order to show ibal linker hau one of tno best positions
in Ibe gift ol (ho Poaima.n-r General, and Mr. Cox
parried thai cut by showing that Baker bad bold a
position In tbe Post Office Dsfartmont during General
Grant's Presidency, aud which bo bad resigned only
In order to *?l the gpouial scene*. and with tba t J
tod oil ibe first session of the committee, wnen e re
cosh wee taken tor ?o hour.
XII. USUUKU,'* TKST1MOTT.
On the opening 01 the uftcruoou iMlon ex-Cen
grossman 0. Bt O.irrel! wasoallaj milt sworn, noil ex
nmiued by Mr. McMaboo. Mr. Darrell said. In re
sponse to n few preliminary quesitons, that he was e
resident 01 Morgan City, ami was a candidate for Con
gross In the olcouon o! 1876 (row the Tnird district;
he was returned elected; had a certificate Issued to
blm by the Governor ol tne State, and had his receipt;
this was about tbe middle or lulter part ol Jannury.
Mr. Darreli ihcu. In rosponae to Interrogatlona,
gave a hlsiory of the efforts made to All tno col
leotorjh'p at Now Orleans, and more particularly ol
the attempts to sounro tho nomination of Mr. Packard
tor that office, and, tailing that, to obtain It him
self. The object ol tbo exawluatlon, wbich was ol
great length, was to show Auder.-'ou'a connection
with tbe manor and his Infloance witb Mr. Matthews
In the premises. The foots elicited eamoeut In tho
following questions ocd answori:?
y In what way did Mr. Audcrson figure In thai con
nection ss a lrieud of yours?politically 1 am spealc
j Ing olT Give ns the whole story lu that conucciiou.
A. Mr. Audcrson saw Senatrr Matthews first In Mr.
1'acUard's behalf; nt that time Mr. Matthews said he
did not think tho President would uppolnt Mr. Pack
ard at all; within perhaps a week or so my name was
mentioned to Mr. Matthews; 1 had an Interview with
Mr, Mull hows, and some of my Irieods had, who wore
here in the onv, aud he suggested that posaibty an
appoiuimeul could bo seoured lor me, and ho sug
gested certain recommendation* for mo to get front
home nnd I rout persons here, which I did, and got
some recouiuttudations down there.
Q You got recommenuuiions from Mr. Foster, Mr,
Corwiu and othore ? A. Yes, sir, and from several
republican members, not lu ine city, but outside.
y. You bad Jan been turned ourot Congress, and
you thought you had a pretty good claim? A. Ye?,
y But tho question I am mitre particularly Inquir
ing about is, what s-ervioo Mr. Anderson rendered
you, or was expected to rondor you or Senator Mat
tliows lu enso you succeeded? A. Mr. Anderson was
iu tho last oarapaigu and had served the republican
party end had claims ou it, as he represented and nt
I believe, and had nt some previous time bceo prom
ised bv Senator Matthews assistance to secure
something: when he earns over here and saw him In
be ball ol Mr. Packard he roprcsentou that be did not
desire any office lor himself, but Mr, Matthews hurt
proiuisod blm or. previous occasions uuil ho would
endeavor lo assist him; ho said, "1 waut nothing lor
inysell now from the administration and tho govern
ment; 1 havo doue my duty to the government and 1
wuii to see you or Mr. Pncknrd appointed, and 1
will go up and aeo Mr. Matthews and gel him io
do the best he can tor you, which he did;
Q Do you remember now olten Mr. Anderson nine
over hero Irom Philadelphia?1 menu now, ol courso,
last winter?January or February, 1878? A. Mr. An
derson is employed on a newspaper there aud ho came
over sometimes every Saturday and soinotimes every
other Saturday ; ho o.imo to see mo Irequonily and
sometimes stopped at the samo house; 1 think I saw
bun once a week or ovcry two weeks; certainly not
longer than ibroo weeks.
ABOUT MRS. JKSKS.
Q. Do you remember Mrs. Jenks bolug here about
tho same time? A. Yes, sir; sbe was hero a little
earlier; It was published In mo papers that sbo was
hero and that sbo hud tho Sherman document.
Q. She was hero claiming io have tbe Sherman
letter? A. Mhe told me aho had.
y. What was she doing witu It? A. I oould not say ;
my impression is Mr. Paokard wan noma at that time;
I remember he and 1 eamo up together alter tne holi
day recess; he had lo go home on baatuess, and woe
at home two weeks; my impression Is that Mrs. Jenks
caine hero tho lattor purl of January, and 1
think a dav arter she oame?so sho represented?
she caroo" up to the House aud called me
luto an uuie-room and stated to me tnat aho waa de
sirous ol assisting Mr. Packard lu stcnrlug the place;
'that tne administration did not appear to consider the
olalmsoi mo republicans dawn thero wno bad served
the party; thai Mr. Piickord would appoint men to
q, IIfir*
servo tbe party?-and good moo, and sbo ottered hot
services?thutis, sbeaaic she might he of service; In
any case ebo said sbe wae going to aeo Mr. Sherman;
I think sho said that and that the bad an agreement
or letter; she mid this loiter was written by Mr. Sher
man ana that she wanted to use It II It could be
used to help Packard; I, did not cure to lake
any part In the matter uod told her
she had better roe- Mr. Fnckard or Mr.
Kellogg, or somebody, and I thick that was the lest 1
saw ol her; the newspaper boys got bold ol It and
they hunted her op, and'It was all published in the
newspnpors. but I remember distinctly her telling
mo at oor flrst Interview that she had the documents;
It may be thul she raid sue was representing a party
that had mem, but 1 think she said she bad them; I
did not want to see them myself; at that tlma It waa
being talked ol in tne newspapers, end 1 knew that It
was published that Mr. Sherman had given such n
letter; It waa a metier of coasldorable comment in
the newspapers.
Q. Did you ask her te let yon see tbe letter?
Ob, uo.
y. You did not care to eee It ? A. No, I had ne in
terest in It.
y. .\lr, Packard knew that she olaimed to have the
letter? A. He was not in Washington at that tlmo,
but he came on later.
Q. Didn't y?u know from conversation with Mr.
Packard afterward that he knew whet boo rings sbe
was having on tba light lor the office? A. In o*?nver
aatien wub Mr. Paokard 1 think 1 remember telkiDf
about her coins to asgtsi him or something or that
kind; but wbother ahebtw btui or not 1 never heard. |
y. Mr. Packard Knew tbut Mrs. Jenks was here,
helping blm ? A. 1 am not positive that we ever
spoke about It; as 1 say, 1 deo'l think Mr. Paekard
was here Jost at that time; my impression IB that
when ne returned he bud como out In the newspnpors
saying that he had no snot letter and never had It;
1 thiuk by the tluie he got hire sbo bad gone or oho
taken tbe otber tick, and said sbo bad not got them;
it may be, sbe Bald, she had come Irom New Orleans
here with a desire to help Paokard secure the posi
tion, and that be would bolp tbe republicans down
there who hsd been true to tbe party, nnd my recol
lection is ibut she said she bed the paper witb her,
but, it *n? did not say that, she said sue had it.
y. About how lonk wae It before Mrs. Jenks changed
front ou her statement as to having or not having the
letter ? A. As nearly as I recollect she was here t* i
counio of weeks; 1 never talked with her niter that,
? xecpt as I passed her on tne street onto or twice;
i but in the course oi a week or sothoro wis au inter
view With Mr. Miierman, in the course of wuiou he
said ho UuVer bud givoa seeh a letter, nnd Mrs,
Jenks admitted he novur nad, and sbe published tbe
earn in tbo Timrt to ihet effect; I remember during
tho time Mr. Andereou ?u over bere be saw hor.
y. What whs her hush.tud'a employment at that
timer A. 1 Ihluk at that time ho bud no oraploy
iii-iii; he bad been employed in tbe Custom llouso at
New Orleans; hud been a deputy marabal sad a tux
collector under the Kellogg Slate government; 1 don't
think ut that time he was doing auyiuing.
y. Were they people In good circumstances or poor?
A 1 suppose they hsd not touch to live oj ; 1 know
uotnlng udoui tbeir circumstances.
y. Where is Thotuus 11. Jnuxs now? A. I law blm
ID New Orleans Wednesday when I left.
y. Was Mr. Jcnke hero uurtug that controversy;
wnen Mr. Jenks was helping Packard? A. No.
y. Was Mrs. Jenks pushing her own claims lor any
ptislllnu Ihet you know ol ? A. No, 1 think not; sho
tnny have said lo luo mat her husband had soffered,
ss ho might have suffered, aince he was an active re
publican; 1 kioahewus out of employment at that
tlmr, and ai-o said ao. I
y Do you remember Anderson coming horn while
she was here ? A. Yea; 1 kcow she auw him. j
y Did he narrate to you what had taken plaoa be
teuun him sod her? A. II he did 1 have not a very
umtincl recollection; 1 Ibink he told me ahe denied
having tho document; no, 1 think she said sho had it
in New Orieaut; had It sale.
My tbo Chairman?y. You now apeak ol wbst An
derson said ht>0 said? A. Yes, Sir.
By Mr. MeMabon?y. Do you know Irom any con
versation with Packard that aba hatl^onl lo New Or
leans to get lbs document ami had failed to huva it
scot up here? A. No, air.
y. Do yon know whnt other parties the talked with
in log'ira to ihli letter besides yuurseii ? A. Mwmo of
tne newspaper boys saw ber; 1 don't Know which
ones they were; 1 don't remember which one; 1 be
lieve Mr. Preston oame to ton and get her add reus and
1 told him alt- was stopping at the Ml. James, and I
b'dteve Mr. White canto lo see uie ulso abcut iu
y It Qnaily wound up by bor publishing tbe letler
in the newepepera? A. Tea, air.
y. Wliat other copies ol hbernian documents are in
existence?any oxcept line original document which
sue c aimed lo have? A. 1 am iihl sureexpect Mr.
Amleraou hsd a copy.
y. How long did he have acopy? A. I have no
Idea; I recollect Mr. Anderson told me that the orlgl
ti.il document wae lelt with Weber soon atlor It waa
written aud ho had a copy, and 1 suppose h?e had a
copy ever since.
g. Da ytu retnernlor an occasion about tbe ntno
t mi tuu luuinii aiuu was >iuwn there?do you reinem
bar .my m c isiuti wuen Anderson opened uny package
ol letum? A. At tii.it 11 in o 1 in tilting avidence
my sell; 1 uever saw lilin opuu any package ol papers,
mil l recollect distinctly Ills lolling mo thai ha had
louud what at ibni time appoint in tho evidence a*
llio Weber tind Aouerson agreement, iind thai be had
louud tbe pOjHir; 1 noTor saw iho papor, 1 think; iny
impression in I did not too It at iUnt time, but 1 re
member bla saying that bo louud It lu Home ol
Weber's papers.
g When win thiif A. In April,'while tbo Commis
sion wnro there; 1 know the name oroue ol iba men.*
hern ul tlib lyVutuilMioa in mentioned at that tlinn,
and I Iblok he took tbo document lo him; lb I r. was
all Incideiiial.
g. You mean br that you did not pay much atten
tion lo it at the time)1 A. Yes, sir.
g. Mow, aomo back to tbo ilmo bo wok spooking
sbunt; when was tbe Drat nine you know that bens
tor Mstlhows win ii* art that certain papora wero not
In Mr. Anderson's tmaus wlneh It wu* any way Impor
? not lo itko upT A. I onnnut autwer the question
J ii at In thai fhapa; Mr. Matthews never Maui lo me
that A. demon hud any pnpvrs bo desired to
t 'ke up; ou tbo contrary, lie said to ms In one
of our interviews, prolmbly id March, that tho papers
in Mr. Andersen's hands were ol no nocouni, enu lie
did not osre WhetMr they wore-taken up or nut; I
inenn tbo letters be might have written; 1 remember
we bad a conversation nt that time in regard to ttie
.Sherman letter, and Mr. Matthews' opinion was that
titers whs never such a letter given, and that it was
not worth bothering about.
By Mr. Cox-Q. What was the dale of that conver
sation f A. It would l>e somo Hue during March;
that Is in recnlleoilen in regard to our conversation.
By Mi. McMahou?g. I.ook at thut letter and see if
It ia In your hudwriliug and if it reireshes your recol
lection uk to suy matters (banding a loiter to wit
nest)f A. Yes; iIns ia a lime earltur date thee 1
thought; 1 said it was dated in March, but i see it is
dati'O February 17; tbe conversation that 1 bad wlih
Matthew* was about this letter, tins document; atel
that timo thero was nothing said about my recollec
tion of any paper* or documents or aoyihiog ol tbe
kind; Mr. Matltinws iild to mo that ho was anxious
lo oblige Mr. Anderson.
g. Mr. And?noa had Juet been over hare, had not
be t A. Yes, air; 1 imagine he had Just been here;
bo was over ? number of timet,
ft JUe bad bod aa interview with debater Matthew* ,
bad he not? A. That must baa* beau written attar
bis Oral interview.
y. After be went home you wrote blm, did yon
n?i f A. Vaa, air.
y (reading)'"I( you think bast, you write to me"?
tb-it means M.tihow* ? A. Yes, sir.
(J. (readme) "That In thinking tba mailer over
since you have gone homo you are more eouvlticed
that 1 am iho beat man sua that It would suit vou
host." "Suit you beat" U underscored ? A. Yes,
sir.
Q. Did you not state snytbing in those letters but
what was at tbo time correct ? A. No.
DAKItALL TO AXDRHSOS.
Mr. Cox then requested that the lettor be read in
full, instead of being taken up piecemeal, and Mr.
Mcllahon complying, read as lollows:?
Hooks or KsrkiciucitTATivKS. )
Washinutor, I), t).. February 17,1878. t
Mv Dkar Pta:?1 called on the Senator till* oveuiug,
found him expecting me, and aula*11 and more than I
expected, lie says the Prestdant will not apoulnl 1*. and
at once lucgesled that I alinuld takn it I uni to adviNO
with blm at eooo at Wllltamann it oni of thu wuv, whleli
will be In two or three dayi. lie will evidently work
hoartily lor mo. Packard alao aalil to day that ho would
auppon mo In 0'ie be cannot cot it hiinaoif. It you think
beat you wrlto to me that in thluirlni; the mattor over
since yon bare gone home you am uioro convinced
that I ana the beta man and that It will aull you heal, lie
wanta to do what le ri^hl by you lie tellt mo, and 1 know
dertrea that you elionld be aalli>fl?d. Write a strnntr but
careful letter I need hardly any tbat If 1 ehouid by any
means pot the plaeo 1 will appreciate you and II I don't 1
will all iho aamo appreciate your effort* Wl.l write you
anything that happen* In the enae. Ulvo my reapeeta to
Mr*. A. and be ready to oome over It neceaaarv. Truly. Ao.,
C. H UAItlt Al,U
To J as. K. Arpkuaor, Ktq., Philadelphia, 1'a.
After roading the letter the wituoss was asked II It
did not reiresu his recolteoiIon'thut when he went to
see Senulor Matthews iho latter was expecting to sao
Uihi, to wuirh the witness replied:?"I expect that
Hint letter was written in regard to the first interview
I lind with Mr. Matthews alter Mr. Auuersou liud soon
bun, because 1 rcmcinoar Anderson raino back ultor
going to aeo him in Facitard'a beriuii; I lmagiue that
is tho Urst loiter to Mr. Matthews."
(J Why did you want Mr. Andorsou to write to Mr.
Matthews in your behalt, and lor him to sinto in it
that vou wore the best man una that it would ault
him tbp bust, that is, suit Anderson tbo boat? What
led you to hotieve there was any such relation exist
ing between these two mon that It would be ol any
importance to you? A. For me slmplo'reason, as I
suii in my evidence, that Mr. Audorsou wrote to mo
that Mr. Matthews had ngrced that he had gtveu
written assurances that if ho wilhdrow iwiy claim ho
hud ho would ssk euuer Mr. Packard'sappointment
?r my appoiiinnont.
y Dhl iho question whether tho papers in tho pos
session of Mr. Anderson were worth anything at all
cntor in any wav Into theso talks with Senator Mat
thews? A Not up to this dale.
Q Did they at u later dulcf A. Oh, yros.
0. What were theso talks nt s later date? A. 1
never had auy talks with Mr. Matthews in regard to
any papers or documents hold by Andersen until ?
later dale.
y. What later date was that? A. It must have boen
two or three weeks after this I7tc ol February letter;
there is another letter, in wnle.h I speak of tho Sher
man document, which will give you the exact dale.
y (llasding the witness u letter.) ,-ee II It is not In
your iiaiidwrfthig? A. 1 think there was one proba
bly the day alter ibis; that Is my handwriting.
4 You have not teen these letters lor some time?
A. No, sir.
y 1 put thorn in your bands now to reiresu your
memory as lu anything that occurred in February.
A. 1 saw Mr. Matthews belure 1 wioia the letter in
which 1 referred to tho .Sherman d> cumeut.
Mr. McMshon here read the lotior us lollows:?
Wasiiikotor, Feb. 27, 1S78.
Mr Dkab His?I have your f*vor of the 25th. I tele
graphed tu^ou and have written it* well. There is not it
thing to fll you. My friend* ure far ino mil so talking.
Tho Cabinet are ml Irlendly, every one. and .senator
M. lias been doing oh lie conld. Steele Is out uf tbo
way: it lies between me and Packard. I don't
think any one will be appeiutod for soma days,
and you know best whether to write or come over. 1
will wrlto or telegraph you of anything new. I
don't thiuk anyone will bo appointed till mixt week, anil
II not perhaps you bad bolter come over r>?lurii?y. Thu
oaly assurance ws cam give I* that my appointment will he
generally satisfactory und that I can be conlirined. Will
write of telegrapu II any uew development. Truly yours,
C. II. DAHKaisL..
James E. Ardkiisor, K?q., Philadelphia. Pit.
Q. Now give us your recollsctiou of these things
thai you h*vu hoard, and your uuderstauding of tho
papers which yuu rater lo here und whore they woro?
A. Ia order to make my evidsuoe plain it is belter
lor me to state that up to tho data ol ilinl letter thu
lira! interview botweon him und mo had cou.
mined nothing iu regard to the documents
in Mr. Anderson's possession. Shortly alter
this duts 1 had a conversation with him, in which
I was the Urst lo mention the tact that Mr. Audursou
told mo he had oertsin letters or documents or papers
which, if given lo the opposition or puuilsbod, would
not sound vory well lor some ol those concerned. My
letter would show probably that It ws* written a day
or two alter the Interview with Matthew* With that
explanation 1 can probably go on withWy answer to
year question.
NKOOTIATIOSS WITH TILDgR.
About the time this letter was written?ptobsbly
the same day or the day bclore?1 was informed that
Decollations were pending between Mr. Andorsou'e
attorney and Mr. Tlldou and his lricnd* in Now York
by Which these documents and papers and loi
ters of Mr MatthewB were to bo pi iced
in the poesoeslon of somebody tu New York,
llldea or hie friends, and I wrote tine
letter to Andoreon, becauso I considered that ho
anettld eel In geod fatiti in tbo mailer, aud that the
letter bed better be taken out ef the poeoeeelon of hie
attorney end kept In hie own poeseeeloa; el that time
I certainly had not seen all the documents; I had
certainly not aeon Mr. Matthews' letters, and know
nothing of them; the only thing 1 Had seou ni Hr.
Msttoow* was that he had talked with Mr. Aaaersoa
nod Mr. Weber, and promlrftd to do eonieihing lor
them, add that It what he told ma
y. When did be aay ibet Senator Mettbows had
made theee promises upon which Mr. Anderson was
relying? A. 1 don't think he monttoued any time.
Up to the dale ol this letter ho had not said to iuo
that he hod given any written promises.
Q. In your judgment this matter w.ts a little urgent
for somebody, was it not? becauHO you had italicised
the words "get immediuioly" In thu sentenco "get
immediately ell these papers," aud ulso the words "in
your owu possession ?" A. Yes, sir.
y And you hare italicized the word "erred ?" A.
Yvs, sir.
Q. What you hvsrd made you rather uneasy on this
subject-*you attached some importance to these
papers? A. I did for thu reason: because Andorsou
hod told me Ibcro wero such documents to oe puo
liened, aud I had nevor bad any conversation up lo
this dalo with Senator Matthew.-, und tbat they wero
such document* us would injuro Mr. Matthews
greatly; in Uct, ihey would cause him to lose lils
seal ; np lo this dale I have bid no conversation
With Mr. Matthews at all about theso papers.
ahoct mhskxar's i.nrritR.
q. This is the loiter referring to too Sherman
letter; look at It.
her* Mr. McMshon read tbo tollowing letter, dated
March 3, 1878:?
llOl'SIt Or ItKrlnSIRTtTIYKl, I
Washirctur, D. C., Muieh .1, 187M. )
Drss Hiu-I had an interview * lib M. tin. evening, and
tolu hiiu whet I ha I heard Iroin Palter, un 1 th it yuu had
been over and assured me the pipers were all In your own
po**n**loa Mid weuiil rnuisiii ao. lie said lin Had wur 1 Ironi
another source ibet proposition* bad been luado
by eniiia one nod In talking remarked If all went riiht vou
oui/lil or were in glie them np: 1 *alu tbat would smoiy no
doiin end I would l>? reapuusible; be nt course anoke only
of tho Rheruisii copy soil I referred to nothing elso ; jou
had beet writo lilm you were over hut dlil not
oare to trouole htm and th*t you asMirtul too
the paper* wera sile In your ?wu i?v??e-?iun
and would be .given up when I went In; you
understand uoilber uI u* referred to *nv p ipersjlrum ulm
jui had, and *11 loos* es lavi.reble a* we could wleli. Wo
will bear friini Mara* to-morrow, and 1 will at mini let yon
know. Write or not, a* yon inluk best, to M. , hut It
so*mtg wo better to write. CMve levo to Mrs. a. and
toll ner we aro count to win. it rite any news from the
tt'h Truly your*. C, It. IIAKKAUI,,
Jamfs t. ARUSSkOR, K*0 . Philadelphia. I'a.
y. Docs this relreRh your recollection that vou hit I
ao intervlow with Mutator Mailhewsf A. I hat is the
letter to whiob I refer.
y. llow did you cotno to speak about ihe papers that
or* inferred tq here? A. 1 saw him probably the
eveuiwg bcloro that was written, and that was ue no .r
as 1 recollect the only cubveraullon I had Willi
Mr. Mstibews iu regard to any papers or docu
ments held by Anderson; 1 winted to Ren
hiui, Itecanse I had board of propositions being made
to Aiuieraon lo purchase the papers. 1 thl ik lhat ia
the only tune theac papers were over nruitmnod In
connection with in I* appointment.
y. Are the staiementa in tins letter as written by
you to Anderson true, as you now runembor thai Vou
hud an interview with the Hen.nor. and mat the pa
pers weio to l>? given up il all went right? A. Ye*,
sir; that is siib*tanli*lly correct.
U And mo particular document ho apoko of noil <tin
only one spoken of van tho btwiusn document?
A. I hut was ltin only one spoken ol. That loiter
mntoa that at that lime or pronoun to that lio only
apoka el the .Sherman letter. It was told ino i?y Alt*
d< rson that they hud all boon published.
g, I'ho rouvoraalion between you and Mr. Mat
thew* relerren only to iho Sherman copy f A. At that
inicrvlew I romamhor he spoke llNttH loiters re
Uccting npou Mr. Matlhewi; 1 only remember ol
inenimolng those documents at ono or perhaps two
interviews.
WHAT Tilt! UXDKItKTAMniKII WAS.
g Waa not ttiia understanding, us i draw It from
this letter, that you warn to be appointed Collector of
the Mori at Now Or.e>ns, sad when thin was done he
was to iiauver up tbe Hhermun copy. nn<1 you w< re to
be responsible mat It would bo delivered up? A.
That is what the letter elated; that la about correct?
tho underalnndlBK of Mr. Anderson w.is this:?That
ha had written naHirnncee trom Mrarr*. Mhrrman and
Mioughton that ttioy would .10 anmoihlng lor bim;
unit Mr. Matthew* know ol this, nud ha lind
wrlilnn assurances from Mailhowaol it; Mr. Anoemon
always represented up to that lima 1 lint lie did nuttiing
but what w*a right aiiu proper in makinr his reiurns;
he only represented to >110 that ho had dono what w a
right ami proper in the Interest ol itie republican
party; nnd ho had written saiursnces Irom thorn man
who wore dowa there, and ba aaid that II ibay did not
providolor him be woald?in laat ho threatoned to?
pnhlish It in tbe newspaper*.
Q. I?o you think in uuy letter yoa wrote to him you
ever rcterred to any letter aigneu by Mr. rtiougluon ?
A. No, I ihlnk not; the omy aocunient was the
hiiermen document, signed by Hberman und ttiough
tnn.
g. Whoa Mr*. Jeoke talked about having iheoriginsl
Sherman document did >bo say the itnrrmari and
Siooghlon document? A. That la whin It Waa, I
think; 1 don't romembor that aire said who it waa
signed by, but that wua tbe expression used; my un
derstanding Is that the docnairni was given nnd signed
hy Mr. Sherman and Mr. .-Houghton; ihst is what An
dersoa has a.ways told me? tnat they gave him und
Weber written assurances that they would bs cared
lot.
By Mr. tlniler?g. One time yon any ho rta'ed
they bad given him written assurances, slid *t raei her
time you Ray you don't remember tp.it lie su a they
bad given him wrtttco aaauranoea. Now, which way
do you want 11? Hid ba say at any time that he bad
douumeata aUJtod tur bhorman and dtougbtoo. or was
tha! ^r^'er0004T A" OU' n?i bo
StoixbtM I WUa b* S"or?M and
?feasts.?. I' ? , .W*" DOt P?*MlVO ?n?.lhor Mr*
lo rue be ai?va>>aL>! i I A,"io^*0"',' communications
lorne Df always mj ,hat ibB document wad aimed
by Sherman und Stoughion gB 0
Sherman 'Vin*",?*" '*0* ,be InWWlOW between
NewOrle'ani?a ltt".U S'0"?bl0" ai ">? reeta uraii 1 in
uju? ?"t ,Vtob',. ?"d?oT0,,,bcr ,hal 1,0""1014
You have heard iixut teiore ? a. I have henrrt
him relate about the same thing to a.veral .eotl.mee
jSnV ? '"l W'?,er' m>'?? ?nV otb* r* *?of
.?.Vi fDi" ?*? in March, and the negotiation, wrro
still pending. Now. the Senator look smart,vo nart
In your bohull, didn't bo, alter this? a. Ho ae-eJ i,i
my'behalf or in; ...hull ol Packard; at one lime a. i
Midbelore, along in March, it looked us It Packard
would got it and men It looked .. ? | wo""go! ,f
H '??*?'01 March 17. 1878, and uoe H
on the .rV.M8.y,?0r r<VCOlb'C,lou n? ?n h" having called
h!,? .1 ,U yoar bobl1"- Willi whom aid you
have tbo conversation in wliicb you derived n? ..
formation that the President was dead against Pang."
of eourao. ???? in'ormetlou Irani Mr. Huithcws,
., ? OAKKKM. TO ANDKRgOS.
u8fJ!SSS5rjer# roai "'* ,"ier 01 Mareb
Mr Dka? S?._I ? '? '7. IH7*
bkik.?, ;w.
neiwhc ZlZ"t IrZ^.1 J?"'' tiVoABrt 7Ju "l
To Jaxm ft. Atnciuo,. PhilcdelphU. Pa.
INFI.UKHOk OK TUK KKTCItXISO IIOAKU.
y. In the.e negotiation* about the CoUoctorubiD
* <"'? "'o Returning Hoard ralce, and. ,,,
your observation extended, how extcn.lve waa the!!
pointraroi? l"? Pro,,,Jenl wtien "'sea ??y ap
Mr. Cox?Do you moao to any that the Heturninc
body ? *" eu',,K"ioa to be noting In the earns way us a
Mr. McMnbou?Tbcy lookod like n oor'por itlon everr
no. Mutbsn, and mo ,?(oroo,e that' propoVo !S
Mr. Cox (Iniorrupting)?I don't obj.ct to iuforeucos
but I wunt ilio tact to cotno out us to whether that
mT *,?" 14 s"llcd c"rPor'l'?n ?r nou wnclDor thttt
,. ,, u"i|niMii?n or nou
Mr. Uc.Malioa?1 tlnulc it was gouerallv so wnrvrd
Ihut tho two colored men did not count and tho two
whi.o men worked mgother. (Lau-bler.! ?
infi ' ?x~i 'biiik it would be bettor lo ask about the
1 ???VJ ",f,v,dual" 'n ({Oiling appoini inuiis tbore
f ? w?cau begin at tho individual, ana work un
to iho oorporni lous afterward. 1
Mr. lteod?'.V hen you rolor to Iho Returning Board
you reier lo Anderson and Won.. uoard
know Me*ahou-rt;?* *?? ibo tall ot tfte kite you
notiuiig to"do? ClMOaye "na *"??????
Mr. Itoeu?I didn't know the tall was left in v?w
of''"k'.niwed feughto?',W,lnl y?a m'8bl buvo bold
lions oi two individual, and iry bv innuendo to make
m cover otnorc Whoever it bo lb.t makos a rec
ommond.t on let u. have the fact and leave our mt
n, u?u'nK innuendo until w< roach that point
Mr. McMahun?I will accopt the omendmont
? . ^ OBTTiau couri.icATKn.
A. y!-*, ah?1 y0ar ,eucr'bftuUl"? iottorto witness)?
A.(1Y'e9>0.'rCt8 8,,to11 ,n thwe nro correct, are thoy?
aswrilows"ihOD be" reSd tb# "lt?r or Mafcb 18, 1878.
It look. very much ", r h.t,?r. lMt nl'ht
f,^tu,i Vw^v r?
t?onufht^HaMSirtHW iSj1. up. wmlake Pinch*
back's letter and i.,iue other pap,,?, we have to V, .
drill to-morrow. I dou't ihink Vou n.il . ? Pre*'"
you!"'w^s. KW
fnf. rtioho* V i th'lii?'
.nor. w.lt 0. danger. .\o oflior new?. lrulj'tuur^Ac*""
To Jamk. B. Audkhsow. K,q , Phlladelpbfa. 1,AU"Ablfc
WXtl.fl AXU AXOKKSON's IXSLUKXCK.
? V bw, wUal 1 waul ?? you to that connectlou
bad inav be one or two other tetter, tbere is a. to iha
in luoncoof Tboroaa E. Andoreou and Mr. Wolle with
m'.r.T.10 tbe ap|iointmentg m HouSlnnaf a. uS
to this dato no ono ha. beeu appointed axcentianrh
parties ea tliey would recoinmeud?Weils and Auner
anl'in certainly prevouted Pacaard's nomination
?n,n,?/ wTD' !y """"'"'y ?"cured Smiih's nom
illation, who was subsequently appointed
r,f-I'. Cox-Afo y?? no* teatnying lo wnat you know
O Th^nlT '1115' A* 1 wa" ask??i mvep"?n
lolnly ?? a matter ot opinion? A. Cor
A.yVe.e?8"?r a?d C*"eDaD* wo co'c?0 men ere ihey ?
% A.l* t!"r mco of chereoter as comaared
with Weils and Anderson? A. Yes air- ibev^ra
?eryposltlva, activei me , and one- is in bu.lueaa m
New orieuns, but I don't mink either oae oi "era
5p h?ln "P '",0 ?XCOpt W'10n lt* Uouw ,""1 'b??
. Uu""-Q y?a know that the other
two (Well, nud Anderson) have boon active? k Oh
yo?; they have been active all the time- tba'i'h. i
know'of 'tk "0<1 k?0,r 01 " *B WeU ? ' ?/ o"5etaJ
?eyorWb,t P?,lli*n doc' Anderson hold? a. Sur
Q And Wells? A. Collector.
Q. What position does Ca.nnavo hold? A Nono
Q. And what is Kanner? A. Deputy Naval ofhror
11. Are you sure Caa.nsve has no oll'oo at all* a i
think not; I think C.san.re'a brother isiumoci.
torn House ou a minor appointment; butCasamvo is
an underuker In New Orleans. *
A.IUTnRK LBTTXK.
y. Hare la another letter ou ine snmo subfent ,i?i..a
April 21, 1878. l he loiter I, a. lollo ' d*'Cd
n,., Ht? I (I.I, b M'*"lHXiST?l. D.O., April 21. 1H78.
J?K4H HH-I tlilrik lt quit* mire that ?hli?r >mif*a A.
. be appointed. Puekard sat, ho i<
aatlatied neither he or I ran o?. i? i
It Imiks a., i? ,?e Tuo Ketnmici lioli'i/
are lor -iraltli, which help, him, of course 'fhm n.'?, t?.
will likely be to-mnrrow. I ihlnk I w'lll atart hem,,
at oiioe-to morrow or next day Would Ilka r?r? uuicl, i?
eow.e over .ea you hat u ie necaa.ary fer io t. wei
boma. I a-n obli.ed to ton all the urn,, *? n ,?. 1! a .
ce-ued. Mark, will ba ba,r lor a t!?a y.t " a I th?, p
wllliueewd. Trnly youra. Ac.. O. ? DaHRKi i
l o JailkS K, AhDKnaog, K?q. DAKRKI^L.
1,,0'?,1 kno* asblaot that the Kelurning Hoard?
thut la. Walla and Aador.on?prea?ed 3mnh fer tho
posxloi, you wrere asking for* A. Do you mean If I
wua present end he..,,I them? I wan Informed bv
Anderson telegraphed here t? .Shermab
i In Mmitb s Isvor, and I know ot rnv own kt,owle,i*n
theVbV. ,'"7 ^Wfittwint Wells went ?o
[ theSerrotary, and, I was Intorined, either hy blm.elf
ur some of them that ho wen, there lor Ibat p"'.1
pose; I think Wolle told me that he was lor .smith
y. they wrro against you Y a. They wero against
mo and against Packard. B"'nat
y. 1 understood you to .ay that in this matter
AB,i0r?o,, w" DO' nnxlous for any plum, ior
liimioil. 1 um speaking now ot last winter ? a lie
Iniormud me after he got on tlie newapapur in I'hiia
dolphin that he did not w.iut any offlce at all and in
Slinking about tbm matter 0f tun Poll.ctor'ship ot
Now or oan. 1 under.toot him to say that no would
not take any position down more; was not an ap
plicant for anything; no ihodght be bad a future su a
newspaper man.
g. For whom, II Tor anybody, Old tin unko any ro- I
quests in you f A. I horn was never any bargain.
g. I moan any rcqu- si 7 A. lie Aral eudenvored to :
Ititercedo In Par.kuid's behalf. That was in tbo begin
ntng anil ihon In my own beiiait to Mr. Mttir.ew*. !
Mo Hlntoil to me and lo Mr. Packard, ccr'amly to i
tnvaell, thai be waiile<l lo soo a cbnugo in thn ;
Custom llou->), breadm men who served
tho party should bo appointed dowu thero !
HiMlead ol denioorulH. lie warned in lyive Sit*. Weber '
appointed lail) inapenlor ol r natures. lie wanted lo
eeo her buve that place, and mentioned, among other
Uainea, a gentleman named Rinllcy. I Hunk Ihcie
wero uoi moro tlian two or three nil together. they
were ol worthy p ? >nle. I ihink Una man Junks waa
one mail tuat oiuhi to hive aomethitii', he it'll.
g. Do you remi mlier wnen the .ppoiumeni waa
Dnaily made or waa RonQrineii ? A That a a ? n ing m
.April?the latter part; rimltli waa appointed, 1 ihiu'i,
men.
g What 1 want to get from you now is whether,
as long *? mere was any show lor you. onuamr
Maithewi pressed your olefins no (ar as lie gave.ton
to undornundf A. Yea, sir; tn.tt is, cither t'aekird
or myself; he was undoubtedly In furor o! uppoimiog
one ol ua.
g. riie llilnR culminated about the time you sent
this despatch thut 1 uand you, did it not (banding
paper to wiinen*)V A. Along about tills ti <0 Mr.
i'aukard telvgrupurd to Mr. Anderson; what he atil
I don t know, I know one telegram no tout mo ho
aelit. and he waa outnorised to aigu my nam"; I do
uol remember signing thin one (reading)lieu
e.onte over to-niglit sure; seat tho |xi ,*e? yn terduy;
nnawcr." This may have been tout by mysc'f or
Packard; yes, lhal evidently haa bono teat by Pack
ard or my sol'.
ily the i bairman?It would net hnvo bean Improper
(or Mr. I'acaard to hive sent It f A. Not at nli. It ia
OTldently my uotpa.eb.
Mr. MoMsbon read tho d*ipatch, as foi ows;? *
WaSlf KOTON. Aorll 17. |S7d
To .fseea K. Aanensov, ofllre ci. tlia ,V?.r>h Amrrt un, l'li||.
udelplila: ?
Heat mini* over til nliitit, sure. Meet pa.ae? Thursday.
Itrlna ihepap'r-. lobe main Manlav or Tue-dav ear
tumir. C. B. DaKKAIiU
g. What papers did you roier to boref A. lo Mat
tbowa' letters, ol whlou he told inn lie had several,
and a oopy of Ihe Sherman agreement that be claimed
to have at that tirue. 1 had never soon it op lo tliat
data; and be bad eepioa ol what was nailed the Weber
agreement and tbo Naan agreement. He bad copies
ol ail the papers.
Q. Waa it the nniteritandiog that tin was to bring til
the papers tliut he bad, or some particular paperaf
A. 'lo bring tho papers mat he bad over.
g. What was to no dune with those pipers when ho
came over with them?snppyao you were appointed
Collector, what would lie don# Willi tnnee papers ? A.
I'p io in U time 1 had no conversation witn senator
Matthews or any one as io what had been done; who
that was sent tbeio was no understanding lbs
ing that tho
(mi me were lo be given up at tb;a time, nor wav <
thero unv undemanding that I see go ng to be ap- '
(totaled.
WAVTRP TO gVOW.
g You ol comae bnd not given up all hope so long
as the appointment Was onl utado and yoa true
gmpbed him becuttao mere was still a chains of your
aftWlbiaiMt. Why did you wilt Anderson to oeuie ,
nsimr, niT' st,,e lhat these letters, or any
anu "'u"ew? ??*??'". I l".?o "ot
z\s*lhw koo,,f ,tioy *cre ,n
to k1- ? * *BS com,B* Pretty close, I it jic4
Auucr.no "?af7 i"*" **',I/:iC,l"u *>?'???.? Mr.
r..... 7 IU by wli.ch v?
eouid cause Mr. JUtitow. to reurtor oil o.J?
tusi.Unc. (,roai lauab.cr); t had
U^lir*Mld#L. 'h"r<;i '"r ,uy ?*n Mi'.l.cliou IU sea
aourco fh.t .? r."J ? democrat*
??-? rork?Jlr. Hideo or tn. agents there? md ihit
iT.'^nut |l"?"iUrU,,b'fa t0 lhu ?Ntw VorS Sun aud
to ? rrpuillican Hennor.
g. Who was ttiui jfotalor? A. Hie reoubliran S?n.
vr* rrJrY"K
"counr cot,ccr,!Cl1. ?*. vr.ro ol l.ltl.
g^ Was It Senator Muttbowa that said oopio, had
lurnuhocl? A. Senator Matthews; I am not
positive whether lie told uie or 1 told mm in.! tho
Soh- York Aur. Had cop,es. l)u? 1 know l ioh,rm?f h.m
?;."t I had mili/iutiou <r',m a rrZ^V^'lJu^
, A"<1 r,0? ?? attorneys had olUrod to Ijrutah tlieaa
documents to Mr. 1'ilden or his agents, aoa at
that uxor view that wo had together; he told me he had
nlroady oeea Informed ol that purouaso; ho knew at
I.MWrom me, and 1 know irooi Mr. Anderson that It*
liud lurntthou copies o( the h-llora lo December some
litnc; it Is Docrmbcr that I s|ieak oi, aud tost the
New fork .Sun n-w paper bad copies ot them.
g. l ue New York senator had jot copies about what
fro';?do you remember? A. J don't know: 1 think
lo November <?r Deccwlxr.
g. I'Jilt coQvnrsatioo that we sro now referring to
took piaco at the tluie you bad written one of thee
*"?r. loi,or(,? A Vor, etr; about the 10th ol March.
g. ruts octpatch is doted April 19, l?7i? A. II rou
desire 1 cau stalo why 1 aeot this despairb. I'p to
that ttir.o 1 had uevor aeou any ol tbo documents or
papers oxcept, I think, 1 had senn tuo original W'asb
n^lon argrcomont onto umu before; hut I did not
know *hai, if any, claim Mr. Audcraon hod
on these I'ontlemcu, uod I knew that these
copies wore out, mid J soot lor the purpose of Knowing
of my own knowledge. Mr. Anderrott never ofTbred
to rbow me the papers, and he come over on tbe re
ceipt of that telegram and showod tuo Ju.t what he
had lot tors, Ac., front Matthews, i joul ilie despatch
under ibo impression that ho hud disposed of tho
documents and had not got ibont at ail, audi wanted
to Ood out whether he had the original papers .n his
possession. K -uie
By thu Chairman?llo thought ha might hare parted
wiiU (bom i A. \ os, sir.
MATTHEWS' OPINION or THE PAI'Slltf.
Q. There w?a a ttood do.n of under mil; In January
or robruary among people i.s io shut tl.oy were
waan t Ihoref A. Mr. Maithows )s tho only gentle
man that I ever had auy conversation with, and In
lant, he told me ho did not care what Anderson held
so far us ho was conuerued, ana ho held tho opinion
thai tbe .Sherman dooumoui did not umouol lo any
thing, even if it was la existence; he said distinctly
that sg> lar as he was concerned tuo papers Anderson
held did not amouul to unvlbiov.
g. eouator Miuthews, you ??y, thought they were
ol no couscqueuee f A. So tic represented.
g. tV hat wis bis opinion ot James K. Anderson at
that timer t simply uak that in rcferenoo to a luture
question, A. In what regard 1
Q. When you spoke about Andorson sni Auderaon'a
documents, what conversation did bo bavo with vou
as lo Anderson > A. Well, wo spoko ol Mr, Anderson
at two or tnrse difTorout inttervsls, and he said to ma
that ho felt great sympathy for him aud desired to tfo
something lor him, aud had donu s i he could for btm
g. I.ook at mat letter ugaln of March 3, does ti not
refresh your reeollocilon that about Murch 3 1H78
you hoard that new York parties might ho negoilail
ing lor the papers, and that Senator Matthews had
heard from another sourco the same story 7 a. Yes,
Q. That Is correct, Is It not ? A. Yoc, air.
g You iheu sought an interview with Senator
Matthew-, and you spoke each one lo tho other abont
this foot? A. Certainly.
OL'OHT TO GIVE UP THE PAPERS.
Q. In that Interview between you and hlni did n.
not state to you that If you were appointed Anderson
ought to gtvonp the papers? a. 1 so stated in the
letter. "
Q. In thst interview, lo which vou spoke about
what tho New York parlies wore looking alter, and
about what you both hud heard, didn't he oontiue
his conversation to tho Sherman letter and
you relerrod to nothing els. hut the Sn.rman
letter? . A. 1 have stated that about the time 1 heard
this intimation from New York I had two interviews
with Mr. Matthews; tho ono tins loiter reicrs to was
Imd at nls residence, and In that interview he sooke
only ol the Sherman leltor.
g. 1 am couhuiug you lo tbe conversation that you
and Mr. Maltoows had at tbe tlmo you both had
simultaneous knowledge tbnl somebody was negotiat
ing lor the papers InAndeiwon's bauus. in that in
torvicw did bu make aoy ruieronce to auy other ibaa
tbo Shornian copy ? A. Tho letter states,
g Did ho? A. That la what I state in tbe lettorai
g. Have you any motives lo state In this letter anv
thing didercnt irotn what really eeasirreU ? a. Cert
tainiy not.
g. You and he wore friends and wore operating oe
a common baeu, were you not? a. He propos.dhli
services lor Packard and myanlf, and 1 was writing la
him about tbe sltu.tilou.
g. Who la "a" that is spoken of here In the post
script of tola lottei? a. ihat was Mr. aypber- Mr
Anderson bad been over a short nine before that, and
he told me that Mr. Hypbor had threatened him with
indictment in Louisiana unlosa he gave up these docu.
mauts.
By the Chairman?I wish to ask you e few oucs.
tloor. One day laal January, walking down i enusri
vanla avouue, yen gave ma some information
about these malierr, and subsequently 1 told you
that a gentleman had out led upon me and given me
the same information ? Bid 1 uot? a. 1 am not posi
tive on that; you and I had one er two convereattoea
In regurd to this Mhermun documeut and Louisiana
matters, *
g. On the ocoasien that I walked down with yon
ynu mentioned tho lact ol tne dherman dooument
to me the Oral conversation ? A. My recollection la
Hist tho first conversation was In tbe House of Ken.
resoniatlvsr, and . dn? or two or some time altar#
ward we talkud about tno same subject going down
IV-niisrlvacia avoeur.
g On that drat occasion, whenever It was, did you
m nnoo the fact of the Sherman document, or on both
occasions? A. On bom.
g. At that tlmo you treated It as an existing feet!
A. Oh. 1 believed then that it did exist, beeanae tt was
then shortly alter Mrw. Jenks was here, and 1 sup
posed she was telling rao the truth that abe had the
document.
g. Was not tbe Oral occasion before she came 7
A. It could not bavo boon bo lore sue eame, because
she wss up hero shorny after the recess; I returned
about the lfiih or 1Mb of January.
g. The second occasion was the one in which you
mentioned that Mr. Anderson bad been down? A.
Yes, sir; Mr. Hypber wes ovor about tbe same time*
1 think Mrs. Jeuks waa here ta town at that tune. '
g. This reference iu this lotlor, "Wnal I board Iron
father," was it not my mouunniug to you that some
person tied given ine the same information that you
bad given mo about the Sherman letter? A. What
you informed ine in the flrst interview in the House
of Representatives waa that Mr. ttypher had aeon
someone representing Mr. Tildon in New York.
g. And had mida the seine communication that you
hail made lo me ? A. Yes, sir.
g That your news was not absolute news to me, for
1 had heard thessine thing, helorer A. Yea. sir.
Q. By what you say here you uid not mean that 1
was In negotiation for aoy papers, did you? A. Oh I
no, no; you repreeenied to me that ihoeo parties had
gone oyer to New \ ork ; it appears to me you gave
Mr. Tilden's name, or to tbo folks in Nsw York; utr
Iniorence was that inuy had gone over to endeavor to
give these things.
g. I think I gave yon lo understand that 1 did not
represent Mr. Tilden in any way? A. 1 don't know
thai yqu ?eid a word about ibut, but my impreaaloa
then was that you were uot friendly to Mr. 'llldoa.
g. In all the oiriy pert of tho winter, from the time
you first catuo ou irom New Orleans, you hadn't any
doubt In your own mind that there was an actual
letter fn.m Mr. .Sherman, had you? A. No, I bad no
reston to doubt it, because Mr. Anderson bud kouie
time told oie so aud Mrs. Jenki hsa s.ld so, aud of
course I know nolhlac farmer then that.
g. You always spoke ea If you believed It ? A. Oh,
I did believe it ut the lime; I did not suppose Ibey
bud sny reisoo lo tall mo anytblog hut inn troth.
By Mr. McMehon?In one of theee letter* you re
irrrod to parties engaging in New Y'ork. Uidu't you
set Mr. Anderson ^liortly afterward? A. Ho came
over shortly aiterwurd and said ho had the pupert
sn.l would keep ilictn in bis own possession.
g Did he sdmit lie was negotiating or did he deoy
It? A. He did not any be was uegollstlng, hut bt
said his attorney had l>eoii to New York; ha said b?
had obtained the pipnrs front bis attorney sod would
keep ilirm in hie own possession.
Adjourned
151V AL HA I LIU) A DM.
The workmen in tbe employ of Itio Stenm Transit
Company of Uro.ikiyn yesterday proceeded to tho alto
ol the rxcsralion to nle by tliom last week on AU
lantio aronoe, notr lion;! street, lor Ilia purpose of
laying a pinto for a pillar lor tbo new road. They
were not long on the scene when a party ol laborers
la thu employ ol Mr. Wlillain Kicbarason, president of
Uiu Atlantic ayenuo lino ol horse oars, appeared
and caune-i Hie ate tm rosd workmen to withdraw te
tbo sidewalk. The foreman in oltarge ol the latter
laborer* appoaloo to ih<- police ol tbv Third preciuct
for ussielanoe, but as there bad boon no breach of tbo
p?eco lucre wae no ground for lulerferenee. The
work was not rc-umod Tbo Mioatn Transit Company
Will apply to llio court* for an injunction to restrain
tho president of the Atlantic Annuo Itailroad C>tu
piny from leicriar'ng with ilieir work.
STEAM 1 HA Noll ACCtDENTS*
John Karcndan, while riding on Ihe front platform
of a stem motor cur, on the Atlantic street end R'tel
New York road, fell off at tbe corner of Hedford
ayanee, and iraoiured his right arm. Mr. Rarendab,
who resides at No 43S?o<te street, Ilrooklyn, was re
move I to the Oily Hospital.
Rand Kider, nf No. TO .Sheriff street, this
City, wsb crossing the rnliroed at tho cor.
oer ol Atlantic street and Krsuklin avenue, nboul
eight o'clock last ? veuing, when ho wae struck by me
at* sin loojmotire College Point an I sustained a liac
turs of ino right thigh, lie was remored to tbe City
Hospital.
SEIZUKE OF < lfiAHK.
Customs inspectors at in- hed lo the office ol Captain
Hr.n'koit, special agent of tbo Treasury, made a ram
yesterday on a house tu Mu'son etieet, Ilobokea,
whore thoy seised SOU otgire and fifteen packages of
toheceo, which had been smuggled aehoro from aotne
of iti* Herman steamers. Oilier ofnoers alee seised
several ha ad red vigors pa heard the steamer Annen.