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MRS. JEMS.
Yesterday's Proceedings of tie
Potter Committee.
THE LEADING LADY AGAIN.
Trying to Get at the Bot
tom Facts.
NO MORE LIGHT.
Details of the Private History of
the Witness.
GENERAL BOYNTON TESTIFIES.
Butler Told, that He Is
"a Rowdv."
Wasiiixotox, June 24, 1878.
lire Janlca performed U?r pari lor two hour* to
day la Ibe {real national drama called the Potter In
vestigation to tbo delight and amusement of a large
audience. Her style ol acting wus soroewbnt changed
rrom Ibat urtiloli distinguished hor on Sat
urday. It madt up lu potltivenrse what
It lacked in brilliancy. Sbo sat close to
tbo committee table, often leaned her head upon ber
band, sometimes took up a pen aod scribbled, with an
absent etr, upoua ehoet ot paper, and looked languid,
listless and genera lie disgusted; at times, however,
Sbo would Are up, giro a glance of contempt with ber
eyes, tUou put ibat feeling into words, sod again
led back into an attitude, not of indifference,
but of weariness of heart. Her first encounter was
with Mr. Springer, of Illinois. He opeued toe collo
quy with a reneersal of her Saturday's speech, be
ginning with her confeaslon to tho ??august commit
tee and to tho nation at largo" that she, nod abo
atone, knew tbo Alpha and Omega of tbo Sherman
letter.
A LtTTLK VBXUIXO.
Ho tried to goad her either into a confeaslon that
Ube had written the letter bersell or into an admis.
?ion of who the persoo was to whom she had dictated
lb This somewhat roused ber energies, and for
n time sbo gave some specimens of hor skill
qt fence, but finally reitiaed, point blank,
to on mm It herself In oitber way. Sbe bad
liotalee It, sbo said; "but, than," sbo said, "a peo,
you know, Is a tneuliantoal Instrument." . When Mr.
Springer tried to corner her into saying whether she
dictated It to a pen In her own hand or to an aotual
person, sbo dodged, said something about a quill pen
and observing tbe leathers on it, and men said that
?bo woald out off ber right band ratber than say who
wrote lb Sho aJmttted, howevor, that she die
la led it.
TBI LAXD Or SHADOWS.
As Mr. Springer would persist in pressing ber on
tbet point sbe summoned a far oft, dreamy expres
sion loto hor eyes, and Intimated ibat ber aecomplico
mlgh have "passed away Into the land or shadows."
Mr. Springer was not sentimental, Intimated that
Ibe committee did not euro for tbe land
st shadows, and asked whether sbo bad
forgotten the uamo of the person to whom
ibe bad dictated tbo letter, "Yes," sho replied, with
tbe same far-off look, "I have given tho name to ob
livion." "Are you sure," asked Mr. Springer, "that
you ever bad II from oblivion ?" and tbe answer was,
"Xo; It never bad a resurrection." And then again
?he parried a similar question by tbe reply, ??They
^meaning ber aceemotter), "may have passed into the
land ot shadows, and what is the uso of talktog moro
?bout it?"
"1 JIM SOUK WHIT SERVOCH."
Teen Mr. Springer tried to persuade her into writing
with her own band a lac-eltntle of tho Sherman letter
from memory. At Orel she sot herself to the task as
If she intonded to perform it; tlieu, suddenly re
collecting hersolr, alio pushed tne paper
from before her, laid down tho pon, refused
to write, but offered to dlntste the let
ter to Mr. Springer and let him write it
himself. She declared point blank that she would
?ot do It; asked him In a defiant tone what be
thought of that, and then added, half apologeti
cally, "1 am somewhat nervous, you know." "I
should think you ought to be," put in Mr. Springer.
HOMAHCS A*D CRITICISM.
After that she got off a good many ot ber romantic
expressions; mingled her aoswers with "nay," "for
aoolb," "unconscious," "oblivious," "philanthro
pic." Ac.; spoke of Secretary Sherman an "a diatln
gutabed statesman honored in the councils ot the
nation;" spoke of Kelloge aa a Mercury who, at that
time, nad to bo always caught ou the wing, and sjioke
si the leaders who had encouraged carpet bagger.' as
Ihort-elgbted persons who wore not I.ivaters. |)y this
tints Mr. Springor was showing signs of impatience,
and the more she notiood this the more provoklagly
Impudent she became. She told htm that averythtng
ill Louisiana politics was new to him, that ha talked
all the time, and that If he wis long at the beginning
?I the subjtoi be would sever get to the end oi It
BCTI.KR TOI.li TO KBKP COOL.
Then Mr. Butlar, who was siuiog beside her, asked
bar about Anderson's totters, when she turned tho
tables upon Situ and asked htm to explain
bow bo had got those letters of bora
which bo bad produced last Haturday. Mr.
Bailer did not give hor any encourage
went, but rather treated ber with a cor
rectional air, whereupon ?be advised htm not to
distress himself and assured him tlial Anderson's
letters woro not "flowery" enough to anil bint.
When Mr. McMabon told her that ho wanted ber
political loiters that bo might preservs them id the
flies of this "august tribunal" (Quoting hor own ex
pression), she retorted that such a tribunal needed
something to preserve It.
??a moths to aimocrr.
Finally, aa lbs committee waa about to take a
recess, aba (with a sigh ot relief) moved In adjourn.
The committee baa not yet done with Its "leading
lady," but aba will (if so disposed) appear again to
morrow with a bundle of latter*
A SCOTCH WbMAV.
It scornstb >' Bcotiaud, not Louisiana, baa tho honor
?t being tbi juutry of her birth. '
strri.it n amu a it .evert
After the recess M. II. ?. Roynton, a newspaper j
correspondent, testified to an toterviaw with tho 1
President IB which be asked the President hyw this
man Aadorsoo, with ebargea against htm ot hsTing
manipulated voisv In Louisiana, came to bo ap
pointed to a Consulship, and that the Presl
(sot told blm it was on ncoount of good
leretccs which hn bad rendered the party,
la laagering ba life. Mo., bat that ue}(Anderson) j
weald sot get the appointment or woald not bold Ik j
the witness did oot get the idea from the President
that Anderson's services bad boon of an im- I
proper character, bet, nevertheless, lie bed carried
away Ibo impression, and bad conveyed It to others,
that the appointment wan dun to the lact of some
politics! knowledge whlon Anderson bad. That im
pression bad been changed, however, from Unding
out recently tbst, at tbe time of ibis con
vtraallen Aodsreon'e oom mission bad already
been withhold by direction of tbo I'resi
denk Tbe witness rvssuu-d very warmly tho
stylo of Mr. Bailer's examination, and said that
while Ibo otoor members oi the oommitteo noted Ilk#
gentlemen Mr. flutter acted toward biui the part of n
??rowdy." Tbo Chairman rabukod this intemperance
Of laognage, and tbaa peace waa restored.
PLOCKKDINOS <?? Til* COMMlTTl E.
WAsat.vorov, June 'J4, 1117b.
Too investigating committee met si a Quarter to
?levee A. M., the chairman, Mr. Poller, presiding,
ana. isaaa skcallkd.
Mr* Agnea U. desks waa rscilled tad continued bar
tsatlmoay aa fallows:?
ly Mr. Springer?la your last examination yon
?laiod la cnisrosso to MM so-oatled Sherman latter
thai if thero wo any criminality or political dls'.iocor
ultaehed to It, jron alone know the Alpha and Omega
?f Ik la that correct ? A. Yea air; no ona alec that I
to leaded to tall /on anything about.
Q. Than you alone in net have written It? A. Not
neoeaeartiy no.
Q. Do you now atato that no one alaa Knew aught
in relation to the origin of tbat letter? A. And do
you for a moment think tbat if tbey did 1 would tell
you about it? I aay II tboy did 1 would not any ao;
1 would cut my hand oil Oral; eome oilier peraon
might have known ol it; 1 do not know; 1 am the
only one now that knowa aught ol It; the othera
may have ptaeod away to the land of abadowa ere
now; 1 aay tbat I dictated that document.
Q. To whom did you dictate It? A. A pen ta a mo
chameal Inatrnmant, you know.
Q. You dictated it to a pen? A. Yea; aema one
might have bean holding the pen, though.
Q. Who was that person? A. 1 reiuae to tell you.
q. Give your reaxon lor retualng. A. Nay, I have
no reason; it la aulUcieat thai I will not toil you.
Q. Did you hold tbat pen youraell? A. Well, really,
II1 did bold ibe pen muat 1 tell you thai ? That la what
1 declined to slate to you a moment aao.
Q Am 1 to oadorotnnd that you, then, aro the
author ol the language ol tbat letter? ihat tho con
tents were compoeed by you ? A. I dictated tho loi
ter; It was an original production.
Q. It originated with you? A. Yo?, air; wltb me.
q. Then you are the eutbor ol the contents of the
letter? A. Yet, sir.
Q. And the poraow who wrote It acted as an nmann
sums merely? A. Yes, air; as an amanuensis ex
traordinary.
Q. Who was tn tba room at that time besides your
asll? A. There wereagreai many people In there; I
was in a hurry and didn't pay much attention to tbeui,
though.
Q. Name one peraon. A. Nay, I will not; 1 might
name a great many, hut 1 will not; there were some
political lights there, both local ana national.
q. Name them if you pieuse. A. I won't; you
must excuse my naming tbeu; it is aoi necesaury;
tbey bnd nothing to do with Ik
Q. We are to Judge ol that. A. But you Judge too
mueb; my memory Is delociive uud 1 don't remem
ber; If 1 had looked around 1 might have rnmcmnerrd
them, but the letter so engrossed my attention that 1
did not observe them, or It I old 1 have largotten.
MRS. JBKKS SSI) OBLIVIOK.
q, llnvo you lorgoiieu the name ol the pert on to
whom you dictated ibisSbermna letter? A. 1 think
1 have; yes, 1 have given the name to oblivion ana
It never nax bad a reaarrectlon.
q. Tbon you eaunoi give ua tho name ? A. I said
I would not.
Q, Don't you know you wrote that loiter yourself?
A. \\ bat do you want to Know tbat lor ?
q. Tbat Is a lair question. A. I do not think so,
and 1 most emphatically decline to tell you.
q. You will not say tbat you did not write It yont
seil? A. No, J will not say that.
q You saw ibe letter at the time it was being writ
ten ? A. Yea, 1 looked on.
DSeCKIURB Tint L.KTTKR.
Q. What kind ot p.per was it written on? A. Me
dium sued latter jiajter; larger than ordinary note I
pupor.
q. Was it on one or twe pages? A. Tbcre might j
have been two puges used; it might bavo been writ
ten partially on both sheets; It was Id a kind ot iuu- ;
nlng hand, very "spattery," vou know; as near as 1 !
recollect it was written ou one page.
q. WiiMklodol an envolope was It put in? A. I !
think the envelope was larger than the usual size, !
and smaller tbaa an official envelope; It was a plain '
wbite envalepe.
q. In whose handwriting was this so-called Sber
mau letter? A. Yea dm atk mo to tell you tbat bo
lora; I say I will not tall you.
q. Was it In your handwriting ? A. 1 will not tell
you that, either; you must draw your own infer
ences.
Q No one elia, then, knows aught In relation to It T
A. What is the use of talking about thai ? tbey aro
oxtiuel, non est und non eomatable; 1 reluso to tell
you.
y. Do you say It was not In your handwriting? A.
1 do not aay ho; 1 say 1 Know the beginning ol It aud
1 alone knew the ending of it.
Q You do not deny that you wrote it? A. No, sir,
1 do not.
y. Was any other person present wr.o saw you
write it ? A." Do you speak of tbo local statesmen or
tlio visiting statesmen? _
y. 1 epeak of any person la the room ? A. I did
not ask them about ibe letter.
0 Did you speak wlib anybody In tbetroomat that
timo? A. 1 did not bold high converse with soy of
thorn; 1 may bave bowed to soino of them, or 1 may
have said "good morning" or "good day," that la 4II
y. Then you simply wrots that lottsr and uepartod ?
A. You aay so, 1 don't.
y. I mean yon metaled It and left? A Wall, say
dictated, tbeu.
y. You say you dictated It to a pea? A. It was n
quill 1 think; 1 think t did see feathsrs on it.
y. How wsa mat letter addressod? A. To D. A.
Weoer and Jatnea K. Anderson.
KllQOKHTKb TO WKITK.
y. You repeated tuui letter to the oominltteo on
Saturday ? .v. 1 belter* 1 aid.
y. vVill you pieusu write mo a copy ol It now on
thin sheet ol paperr (bandiax a sheet to witness).
The witness commenced writing as requested, but
slopped suddenly, and said, "Now, wny do you waul
ibis writing. soppoaa 1 should loll fm, Mr.
Springer, wbat to writs, nnd yon should write It
yoursell."
y No, I prefer to bayo you writo Ik A. Well, now,
to mink ol it, 1 toll you 1 won't. Wbat do you toiuk
ol IbubT I refuae to do ao, but I will diotula it. Il 1
could see the necessity 01 writing It 1 would do it
with pleasure; but, uow, please mlortn mo wnat is tho
user .
Hie Chalrmau?1'iie use is that wo may be nlils to
compare the haudwritiug that you oow iu?ke with tbo
handwriting of aooioer paper.
I ho witness-You have iny handwriting on other
letters ; very woll, compare it.
By Mr. Springer?Do you decline to make s copy
now ? A. 1 do at present, 1 am somewhat uervoua yuu
know.
cosmnrLATixo political a reams,
y. Youapoko ol an ukbsr at the boiel; whero did
you meet bimr A. Ho was standing ouialde ol tue
door at parlor 1', I ko an ornamental pillar.
y. You went into the ladtea' reception room? A.
Yoa, sir. , .
y. How long did you remain there? A. Just about
Cre minutes.
y. Did you see any one there? A 1 did not; 1
was contemplating the political uflairs of tho caiiun,
mentally.
y When waa It that you root lor Mr. Sherman? A.
1 oid net send for hisi at all; I a?ked ti.e usher If be
was is. and be said be was not, hot be tbojgbl bo was
up stairs, and be odereo to lake iny card up, but 1
nasi it didn't tnaiter; then I went into tlio Utile re
ception room lor a tiro?, end then went 11110 parlor I,
ibree or lour rooms sway, ana occaplod iny tltno
there with thinking.
y. Was it mere that yon bit tbe end ct this letter
oft and road it?the letter to Hbcrman? A. It wua
quite an involuntary act on my part; yes, tbat Is lbs
place. , . .
y. Had you been Informed of the contents or tbat
letter before you opened and read it? A. Not
specially ; only'tbat tb?y wauted a guarantee.
y. Yon did, Ibeo, open a letter not addressed lo
you and read 11? A. 11 waa not uddrrsscd to ine, lo
be sure, but It was quite luvoluntary.
y The letter wna ?ddree?ed 10 Mr. Sherman, warn l
It? A. 1 did not loos; Weber said it was, aud 1 sup
pose It waa; I discovered anorwsrd tbat II was.
y. You si art od Into the hotel Willi a View of deliv
ering or sending ibis letter t? Mr. biiermss ? A. Tlisl
was the first impulse, ol couiso.
y. Wlist caused you lo chsuge yotir mlud? A. It I
was tne contents 01 tbe little note; I was contem
plating the political affairs ol the State, and quite uc
consciously 1 hit oD tho enu ol it; they could nave no j
private business with distinguished statesmen, be
sides lbs leu<t wsa not proaeutable lo linn then, aud 1
I did oot think it wue necessary to prerani ik
y. Did yon read tbo letter uuconsciousiy or know- j
Ingiy? A. I qnlte unconsciously read ik I
y. Did yon comprehend the uataro ol It? A. No;
I was too much engrossed with politics; H look u>?
just about five minutes to regain ray consclousuos
and tlilak about Ik ...
y Give me auy rceeon you bad l?-r opening and
reading a letter oot uddrcisod lo you? A. Diu T aay
I opened and read it ? Ill bad opened II 1 should turn
eald so- 1 wished 10 see H it whs noccaaary to present
It or no't; I bud been a Judge ol several such miners
before. . .
U. Name one ol those instances lliat occurred be
lore. A You have nolluog lo do with thai; limy
were mere local alUir*; 1 might know ol mo cou
1 cute wuliooi opening Utters, if It was a niero polit
ical insilsr it was right Ihe party should know about
y What waa tho reason you did not deliver tins
letter to Mr. Sbormnu ? A. 1 think ray diagnat at tho
whole matter overcame me.
y \\ bat were you disgostod about? A. 1 was die
goited mat they mould waul written assurances
tbat they should no prof Mod lor. Has not Mr. 8 ber
ate n's word sufilcisnt without a written goiraulon ? I
would sot permit such a teller to go to M r Sherman ;
I read their enallonge and sent an answer 10 It. .
y. DM you loll Mr. Bherman or any ?t In* frtouda
while be was In New Orleans in November, ISid, lint
ench sn offensive letter hau beca addressed to him
and that you had enppressod 11? A. Oh, no; it waa
not neceresrv to elate lliat, as it wee replied 10.
tt Then II wee simply an act 01 kinduoaa on your
part toward Mr. Sherman? A. It was altogether a
philanthropic aflair; I did not think 11 necessary to
mention 11 lo Mr. ShermMnj i did uot wish to put him
under obligations lo io<i.
wa. snr.RMAX axd tub wr.ATiir.n.
y Did you tlniiK It fkbt 10 iigo Mr. .-hertnsii s
name 10 a lettor which might compromise mm uere
slier? A. Now you go too Inst; it pourod oil 011 tlio
troubled waters for ihe time being; 1 met Mr. 8her
man elierward during tbo count loOovoruor Kellogg e
stilus, but I never laeiilionod it lo him ; Il wu* a am.ill
*"(V'vgho oleo wee preaont In Governor Keilogg's
office when Mr. rtnerman wee there? A. I believe
General PBil guenUan was there amoog others.
y. How did you happen to be there f A. I wsa
thore on business.
q )?nv ao or public business f As TnM nil noili*
lug to do with this affair,
y. It may have. A. (?h no, I am tho best Judge ol
' q! What was asid at that Inlorvlew ? A. Wo passed
the compliments ol tho day.
U Did yon adareae auy thing to Sherman while you
were there? A. We apoke ol ibu wetilier; lie
aatd he thought 11 was a nue day and I said I tuougbt
so too; thai was all of in.poiunce that passed
bet wei-n us sn fhnt day.
y Yos regard that as important, do yoa ? A. v sry ;
It is sn uuosual llutig there in November.
y il id you goue 10 Governor Kellogg'* office by
mere sreident? A. OB, no, sir; I was ihero very
oitsn during the const; If I Bad my memoraooa hero
1 could tell you precisely, but they are so voluminous
tbat 1 coold sot brlog thtm Bp sb on* oar.
KKI.I.OCU LICK MBKCL'RT.
Q. If you hod informed us of iiio fici wo would bsve
token measure* lo have got a Ireigbl train to bring
tliom up. How many interviews did you buvo wltb
Governor Kellogg with regard to tbe count wbila tbe
?laltlog statesmen ware tu Now Orleans? A. Ob, 1
bade good tnanv; ba waa like Heronry; he wag
always Hying around, aud 1 Just spoxo to bun on
tnn wing; tbla was la tbe Ooyarnor'e office; Mr.
Stougbton waa tbere? Mr. Garfield, General oliarlduu
nnd several others; 1 did not fatigue my memory wltb
tb? names of any mora
Q Wliut was the business in wblob Ibey were en
gaged at tbat time? A. 1 do not know wbat business
they were eugeg-id In.
0 Wnat business were yon engaged In? A. My
own business; tbe buelnesc of tbe Btale In gooer.il.
Q. Old it bare any relation to ttfb counting of tbe
electoral votes? A Ob, no; 1 was note member of
tbe Returning Beard; if tbey did anything about tbe
Returning Board tbey did not impart tbe knowledge
to ma
FK1KSDI.T WITH WKOCR AND AMDIBSOSi.
Q. In November, 1870, you were on friendly terms
wi;ti Anderson, were you not? A. 1 do not know
wbat you call iriendly terms; 1 knew him politically;
be bad been a guest in my home and aa such be was
sacred; I was well acquainted wltb him.
Q. Woro you acquainted with Mr. O. A. Weber?
A. Yes, sir, Yery well; be was a friend, end 1 bad
known him slsco 1S0S.
Q You were disposed lo befriend Mr. Weber et (bet
? line? A. 1 certainly would bare done so if 1 could;
1 bau no reason lo be unfriendly to litm qr to Mr. An
derson; In fact, I was alwnys pretty friendly lo Mr.
Auderson, but there waa a method In our madness, of
course.
Q. Wbat bed been your relatlous up to that itme
with Secretary Hbcrmm? A. I had merely known
htm es a member of tbe United Slates Senate, and
beard him debute very olten and admired him; I bed
been Intreduoed to him end met him, but 1 do not
know II be would have known me It we bad met casu
ally.
HIGH TuHKD.
Q. What reason could you bare bod on tbe 20th oi
Novmner to deceive two of your inlimete friends l?
the interest of e stranger whom yon bad never known?
A. Secretary Sbermau wee merely one of tbe visiting
statesmen, and as such deserved lienor at our handr;
1 bad no desire to serve liim particularly; 1 was
merely roalnteinlng the dignity of the p<rty;lf tbe
letter hud been addressed to Mr. stoughion it would
have boon all tbe same; tbey would have got a guaran
tee; these were men high In the councils of ihe na
tion, and do yon suppose I wished them in know what
a contemptible sirulu wo bau in tbe party in Louisiana
nt trim time? It was for the honor of tbe
puny ; 1 did not went them to know abou It.
(} Why did you gi?e tiicin n forged document II
they were yoor iriends? A. Pardon me; I do not M
mil that.
it- Why did you then giro them a false goaranloo
instead ol a genuine one? A. it made them feel bet
ter, and 1 did not wish to Insult tbo statesmen.
Q. Did yeu know that Mr. Sberman bad given a ver
bal guarantee ? A. 1 did net know about that. Weber
simply said tbey bod been assured they would be ta
ken cor# of and protected. Sherman's name was not
mentioned in that whole mailer.
Q. Then why did you procure a false guarantee?
A. Because It kepi tbein quiet; 1 do not koow
whether Weber wished to go back on us or not, but i
kuow Anderson did; Sberman aid not know whether
tliey woufd stand firm or not, but 1 did; 1 knew tnejr
would stand Arm if they cot a guarantee and If not the
democrailo money would have made them go on the
other side. .
y. So that you thought you would give tbera a false
? imrantee to keep litow lrom acocptlag a uomocratlc
bp be? a. Ye?, sir, we wanted mora; we did not
w a it any trouble.
Q. What do you mean by "We?" A. I mean the
party at large.
Q. Aud you were tbe agent of tbe repabltean perty
then? A. No, air; 1 was tho stent of myself, not a
philanthropic one; I was a self-appointed agent.
Q. I bet is a new kind ol a ibing to mar A. Well,
everything is new to you In Louisiana politics It
seeuiH to me. (Laughter.)
Q. What explanation ol your conduct do you now
give lor having procured a false guarantee and de
livered it to your two Iritnds in order in prevent an
Insult being offered to a men who waa aa entire
siinngor to yea? A. I thought it would relieve
their minds and that the visiting statesmen would
leuve nud that would be the last beard et it; I knew
they would not sell out to ih? democrats in that event
and'go biiok on their protests; 1 uover thought about
what they would do with the guarenteealier the 4th ol
March; II 1 bad perhaps Ibis committee would never
bavu convened.
Q. 1 have one flnal question to pat lo you; are you
now ready to state tbe same of tbe person to whom
yon dictated tbe letter? A. 1 will not tell you any
thing In regard to tbat matter; II Is not necessary 1
snould do so, and, wltb your permission, 1 decline lo
slate the name ol the person In wboee handwriting
tbo letter was written.
Q. You do not bave my permission for Ibat. A.
Wen. iben 1 must decline without gottlng your per
mission. i
asiKnAhmuTLjHt tkiks again.
lly (Jenorul Duller?tyarc yju louud any letters
since you were examined on Saturday whtcn you can
producer A. 1 will havo some letters here lo-inoruw
which I l hi ale might interost you, (leneroi. It y ibe
way. Oeoernl, bow did you cot that letior from Urn.
Weber? (Oreut luusbtei).
Q llarc you any of Anderson's letters? A. Vcs,
sir; lb?vo.
q. Will you please produco them? A. He did oall
my letters 10 hlin scurrilous; why don't be ptoduco
tbem ?
(J. If you bare any letters I wish you would pro
duce tbetn. A. 1 oon't know as I hart any, .but 1
will see (producing a packago of Is tiers and looking
oror llirnu
IIv Mr. IlcMnbon?Hare you tbo envelopes of tbe
other letters winch you produced en Saturday? A.
What do you wain tbem lor?
lty Mr. Butler?Will you pretluoe
Tbe wilurse?Now, coinposo yourself, General?
(laughier)?Anderson wrote to rao and slated In em
pbaiic language that 1 bud certain proclivulee and
should be put into a lunatic asylum?now 1 have bere
inv reply to Mm.
q Hut where is Ms letter lo youv I should like to
see botb sides ol tbe uorreepoudenee. A. ob, 1 will
gel the others It you are anxious to see tbem.
Q 1 bare no anxiety or ornoilon on the subject. A.
Very well, tnen deu'l dlutreaa yourselt about iu
q Will you let mo see iliose letters el Andrrson's?
A. These aro not Anderson'a letters; I should lite to
know bow you got those other letters.
Q. 1 will tell you thai, perhaps, to-morrow; but sup
pose we go on wiib tbia today; won't you let mo
bare these loiters ol Anderson's? A. I hare not got
tbem now; there will bo lime enough lor them.
q Will you bavo tbe kibdneat to pionoce Ander
son's tellers? A. 1 will gi7o tbem to yon to-morrow.
q. I want tbetn now. A. I have not got them;
these are just mv scurrilous letters to Andersou; you
can read ibrra il you want in.
q. 1 waul the Andersou letters. A. The Anuorson
letitrs are Dot couched In such a style as would
edily you; 1 kuuw you aro flowory. (I.iugblsr )
I Alter a pause.) Uaro you anytuibg else to eek me?
\ve will Inlk about these Inters aiiollier time.
q. 1 want lo talk about them now. (Alter a pause.)
We nre all waiting lor thorn patiently.
Tbe witness?What are you waiting lor? I sin
waiting patiently lor you. 1 will submit tbem te you
to-morrow morning. 1 bare seut for tbe package ot
letters, wiilch, 1 think, will be Interesting to your side
ol tbo 'tnestion, although Ihey are not couched in tbo
most elegant language. He used ibe word "damn"
aud all thut kind ot Unguage in tbem.
q 1 bat is bis laait, no; yours, and il so they will
Show tbat be is net a good man. ilist may be one
reason why I want tu< in. A. Anderson Is good
enough, lbere is no use id saying anything against
Anderson, and don't you dn it. 1 have nothing hem
iu this packago irotn Atidorson. 1 bare only a note
Irom Mypher hero, which la personal.
q. 1 don't care about .Srpher'a letters, but nave yon
or not Anderson's letters? A. I have not at prosem ;
1 received a notice from iho ofllce that there wi< a
package lor me, and it will ho bere lo morrow; 1
haven't tbem bere now.
q. Very wull. A. In mat ill we lurvo been talking
about all this tiuio? (Idioghter). 1 will baro tbem
licre lo-morrow.
HACK AGAIN TO TDK SlIiCKMAP MTTT>;?.
lly Mr. >prnigur? (low long wan It Iroin lbs time
you met Weber on tbo street until you returned lo
Mm t\ lib tbe so called ".Sherman leiior?" A. N't
more than a ball or three-quarters ol aa hour at tbe
m net.
q. How long were you In the reception rootn? A.
About Ove minutes; I think It must have oecn flvo
utiuutee that I was iu a conscious stale coniempimug
grand impossibilities.
q How long were you In parlor "I'?" A. All tbe
real ol ibe lime.
.nl.ati.nii covartNon kslmmjo,
lly Mr. IlcMaiion?You ore not now under t.blua
Iioiia to Governor Kellogg, are yon ? A. No, sir, and
1 never b ive beon; it wan a mero party muter that
be was scaled. II lie hud been a Kejte lalauder lao
would hnvo been scaled ail tbe same; 1 tmvoa dupli
cate I think cl every political document 1 bave ever
written; 1 Ibouglil they were precious epistles and
ought lo lie preserved.
q 1 want to get ihem on the archives ol this
"ungual tribunul" that yen referred to on c'aurday
so as to preserve them. A. Well, yon ought io
have something to preservo to remember this com
mittee by.
q It is ibe letters aed not tbo tribunal 1 want to
preserve. In your letter to linvemor Kellogg you
refer to n niysierioue letter?now 1 want lo llnd out
about tnal letter. What letter was it >ou were refer
ring to? Wan It not tbe so called Sherman letter?
A. 1 iblnk not, because at that timo I did not know
aay importance wee attached io It; It mignt bnve been
Hi a t wooderfui Nash document thai w?a referred to.
q. Oh not vou could not pies tuiit ofl on me. What
loner wan it? A. Didn't Uoveruor Kellogg (Ornish
tbo l iter toUoueriu Jlutler?
q. 1 don't care to be drawn into that controversy.
1 nun; wbuiyou wrois or lbs substance ol it. A 1
never write about anything but politics; I sm suro It
must lie n .very interesting document, doubtless it
was s ieit< r?and tbereiiy bangs a tale.
q And 1 want lo get bold oi tbat lute, (hnughlcr.)
A. You do? Wall, 1 presume it will a tale uoioiu.
(I. > ugliirr.)
q. I am waiting for it to unfold now. (h-inchier.)
A. I iblnk it will take aomo tune lor II to untold.
q. I think It should uot, because you want lo ap
pear io be straight belorc tbe committee. A. No; 1
don't want lo appear to be anything but what 1 am.
q. This letter was one in which Anderson bad au
Interest? A. Yes, t suppoNe ho; bm Anderson was
getting goaruuleuH Irotn everybody; Anderson was
tlttn saying tbiu bo could kick Kellogg out ol the
Senate il no wished to; you ought lo get Oorornor
Kellogg to give youths rest of MOM prerinUN docu
ments, and tliey will show you all about It; 1 givn
yuu my consent lo use any thing 1 have written , An
tleraou at tbat llino Wits about to scut .HpolTurd all
by bimceit
q. The adininistrat'on was not very friendly to An.
dt-rsonai iiiai time? A. It was not very irioodiy to
any on* who ever stood ny it. |liM|kttr.|
q. Aim he warned all the strings In Ibe udmlnistr a
Hon ibst bs could pull? A. Wbnt do you mesa by
tbat? I nevsr pull any strings; 1 object io that phrase.
q. That is a political expression; wall, we will say,
"Pall the wires. ?? Do yoa mean lo say that Kellogg
Uid Dot wsnt this Sherman leiter lor the purpose of
enabling him to get Ins seat ? A. Bow would II euaolo
bint to gel bis seat? Matthew# was mimical.
O. Bat be turned around altcrwaru? A. Iernapa
be did; but I do not thing that letter lied anything to
de with It.
y Wat it not the Sherman letter that Kellogg was
eriitog lor, lor toe purpose ?l loreiug tmugs iu re
.... ?. . ? i.. .. ..a ihinlr ka
gard to his seal ? A. 1 do not think #o.
y. If you will pruuii.o to brio* up that letter of
yours ol tbeOth of November. 1877. 1 will aelt you no
more questions about It. Vou aay in y?ur 'eJ,'fr J
Anderaon may be euro be will never get that letter or
aiiy other pupere that were deemed ol i in porta#ee.
What were iliey? A. Well, he aald il he only had
tlie document be could overturn the government.
Q. Yau woro interested politically in Kellogg at
that lime; you wauled him to gel iu7 A. Aa u matter
of conrae, as a mora party measure.
Q. Now, what were ibo other papers that you
matured Kellogg Anderson ahould never gel? A. I
den't Know; 1 never had possession ol the stuDley
Matthews letter.
y. Dill you know that Anderson had any document#
from Stanley Mallhews all tbal timet1 A. \ouknow
bow Anderaon talks. ,
y. Yes; bull want to hear you talk now. A. wen
I hope you are edllled. . , ...
y. Did you ever see the docuinoota that Anderaon
said be bad from Uatthows? A. No, air; be did not
enclose ibfm tor my perusal; I never bau possession
ot them ; il I bad they never would have gone beforn
this committee. ...
Q. Then what other papers did you rotor toT yon
could not have relcrred t? the Matiliowa loiters; but
you did reler lo certain iloounieuis that you tud con
trolof; what were these documents ' A. Whaiiatual
to you specially 7 ,,
y. li may be important "to tie eountry at '*rSp!
and to a patriot with as largo a heart aa you. I *uh
lull the question. A. I have aouiewnal ot a partisan .
heart. 1 Unvo no special luterest In tba admlnialru- .
tion at all. . .. .?, '
y. You are acting oa an Independent footing then? .
A. l do not like Independents; tliey have no po>ltic?.
y. But what wero ibesa paper.; that he should never
get 7 A. Anderson was In ilie halut of taking dupll
tales of oooumeuis. He has given you ?oplos? ol ,
every t..tog elso. Now let him give you a copjr of that.
y. But ilieso paper* you oevtr woro to lat him gel
bold oi 7 A. Wi ll then, of course. 1 will not give
thera lo you now; Andcrsou said, iu a boasting style,
that he had documeuls that would keep Kellogg out
of bis seat ; he said Uiey wore very damaging to the
republicsn party. . ' ,
y. You had theao papers your?ol!7 A. 1 hvi a good
many papers; 1 might have had some lhal would unvo
boen of luiorcsi, but 1 don't know.
y You seem to have beeu tho deposltnry or im
ported papers in I.ouimho* polities 7 A. 1 have had
a good many papers tnal might bare becu ol microti
y. auU ol Interest to this committee? A. I don't
know nbout thai. , .
y Didn't you send that lettor of Anderaon a to
Koilorg in order that he might show It around? A.
No sir; It was Inviolate and 1 did not wiati lo show
it around, ?nd I shall aak him why be gave it to Ueo
eral Bulier when I see blra.
y. Didn't you show it to him lor the purpereor
showing Hint Anderson wss after such u letter and
was oflertug $1,000 lor it? a. 1 dm it to show Kel
logg mat although Anderson might talk large about
documents. Ac., he did not have an v.
y Did you furnish any other loiters to Koliogg i*e
?luoa this one? A. Did he give them to you'
' y 1 do uol know; I am not In hid confidence. A.
VI oil. General Duller is ; be will give them lo you if
moral suasion is used. . .
y. Did you write more than one such letter? a. i
might huvo written a dozen.
<1 Aortersou's lettor was uevor relumed to you?
A. No, but ho ought ie have returned u to mo: do
you think il there ww any such a letter 1 would have
uefiled myself for money with it?
6 No I do not expect yon would for a moment.
A. No, 1 would uot have givon up that lettor for
$10,000.
y But wbai would be toe harm of giving up a gen
uine letter lo tho party to whom it was written? An
doieon says It was writleo lo bimsol' and Weber, and
he oflercd you $1,000 to give up that letter to the men
It belonged to. A. Where had Anderson $1,000 lo
give? There was uo appropriation lor him that I
know o'. M.iugbter.j If it belonged to tbcm would
i It not have oeon a dishouorablo liilug for me to lake
' moucy lor such a thins?
I Q Bui you vi<*ro io bo at aomo troubla anil expeoso
In getting It? A. My se'Vlrcs, suou as they nro, are
I always at the service ol my frieuas.
M as. jskkk' diakt.
q# Hato you your diary of 1878 wttb you? A. No,
s?r, out 1 bave a large lodger,, in which 1 enter every
thing ol loierest. ....
y. 1 want the small diary. A. Well, Mr, what do
you want with It ?
y. I want to know it you have consulted It aim o
Saturday? A. No, sir; I was altogether too much
engrossed with your conversation on Saturday to
think about it; 1 never (ball gel over that. (Daughter.)
Q Did you show a copy of that letter, written on
paper, to Air. Kellogg? A. No, sir, but tho copy pho
tographed on my brain wee given lo Kellogg vcr
b*y,nilad you heard Irom Mr*. Weber belore you
wrote this let'er to Governor Keilogg of November
1A 1877? A, I csnnol say, the dalea will show; 1 do
uot think I did, hut I will uot be positive.
AllOUr liAXDWRITINO.
By the Chairman-Did you ever see Mr. Sherman
write? A. 1 never did nod nover sew any ot bis
writing to know it. . ?
By Mr. McMabeu?Is that your husband's hand
writing (producing a papaf and showing the signs
tore io the witness)? A. 1 could uot possiblylull
you: ho writes backhanded; that la a woudorful "II '
for him lo make; 1 could uot really veuch for Ibal; I
never paid any particular atientlon to ills haudwrti
Inc; it looks something like it, and then agaUl It
dou't; I think it is a very good signature of the kind.
(lAUgDlir.) . . Oaf
y. What !? your opinion as to that signature? A.I
think it look# very well, don't )ou think so?
(1 y^lWt'yoa think it Is his handwriting ? A. I will
not state positively, that Is aouiuibihg 1 caonoi tell.
y "file Caplalu'' has wrilien you insny letters, I
suppose? A. 1 liuvo received one or two irom him ; we
have been married eight yoars.
y Is not lhal his handwriting? A. I will not be
P y^n'rou knew wbet was behind It you would be
a little more certain, would you not ? A. No, air, I
do not ihiuk 1 would; 1 never vouch lor anything
except I write It myeeir, It looks like binbendwrli
'"u Would you swear It wss bis handwriting? A. I
would not swear to 11 uuiess I knew; 1 like to see
ahead belore I swear; I will eipress no opinicu.
lly the Chalrtuau?Wss the letter that von d ctaied
In uarlor I'written in iok or pencil? A. in ink.
y Was It legible or uot when it was iluiaued ? A
Tba't remain# lor others to discus.; the chlrogrepby
wus not elegant?it never Is; but I might bavo lunue
It out.
1 BR STATKSMAXI.IKK SJ'YI.X.
Q Have you ever reed any ot Mr. Sherman's let
ters r a. I never have rem say ol his composition,
except 1 have read bin speeches aa roporlud In the
Cimgn-snona! H'cnrd, I nm UmllUr with moat of our
aiuiiTinen'a at*las, ana, if 1 have read tbem unco, 1
llilok I could linltuia tbrm.
y. Did you try to imitate his style when you dic
tated the letter? A. Not bis, particularly; it might
buve done lor any one,
y. rtia loiter contained tbls phrase, "Your note ol
even date," do you use tbat phrase when you ?erne/
A Yes, air; very olleo ; I abbreviate it in that way.
Q. llavo you uoy iatiera whicb you can produce la
winch you over used tbat expression ? A. Mr. Kel
logg can tell you, (l.auentcr.)
Q It (lore not appear in any of your loiters T a. It
might out liavo been nocemary to have used It, or 1
might uot bavo answerad the leliera on the day re
ce ivcd.
il con you protneo any letter In which yon ever
Uh< ?] the phr.ise "even deie ?" A. I uou'i know; 1
can't rom- inber everything 1 lieva written; 1 have
u-?d li oiiun.
g To whom did yon ever nro it on any one occa
stou 1 A. i wrote to a great many peoplo, nnd I know
I nave uieu it; it la a very cotuiuou ? xprtaatoii of
mi no; ll you nad wished copies ol my letiors I would
have brought them, and if you desire it 1 will scud lor
the in; aa lor the word "Hayes" there it happentd to
be invutlonod while 1 was In lbs room; otherwise 1
would nut buvc thought ol such an august persnuago.
Q. Do you desire io explain anything the lu your
letter? A. 1 desire to explain nothing out what you
ask.
Q. Was the lettor signed "J.," "Jno." or "Jonn"
Sherman .' A. It Was signed "John Sherman."
<). i'lid letter to whicii It was an answer. Do you
recollect that? A. Yes. air; i do; hut It dldb'tlm
presa ute sa niueb an lbs other.
y. I'lonse repc.it it il you cen. A. "Sir?We have
carolulty considered tno arguments made by you at
our recent interview," or nmioiiiing ol that kind; I
will not be posit.ve as lu ihe wor t "reoent." ?Yuar
esiurnnco mat wo sli ill hs provided lor la scarcely
specUiu enough In the event, 'or l:i enso,'we pur
snw the course suggested by you, we will no obliged
to leave the Hutu. Will you, iher clore, elate in writ,
lug to whom we aball look lor the loiUluteni oi your
promisus. Signed D. IL Weber, Jainia Anderson;''
I helfve that Is it.
y. I? your recollection of it derived Irom that tin
fie reading In the hotel? A. Yes, air; 1 bad it some
Hun allerward, and 1 may haro uton s little note
oi II.
MIIS. JBKKB' BISTORT.
y. What was your luuiden uame? A. Agnes Mur
doch.
y. Wore tub emplorcd la the Treasury Department
at one t.me? A I wus here two months in 11,75 nnd
accepted a position during Ibat time. Mr. ttnsiow
was .Secretary ol the Ireuaury llieu. I don't Hunk
tin-government made niueb by my aervioes, 1 bud
other l.naiueis to attend lu. 1 accepted the position
because it wss offered, and 1 held II only lor two
months.
y Did yon reudor any scrvico to lire government?
A. oh yea. sir, I did; I went op thnro very olioii,
until I got tireu ol it; I used tu gu In s reoui with lots
ol deaka in it where 1 did some writing ; I weui there
nlmoat every day when 1 bad nothing elan to do
(langliter); Senator West, 1 believe, was good enough
tu have ra? appointed.
y Were you acquainted with Mr. Weber's baud
writing i A. Yi-s, air; lie usod to send me papers fre
quently.
y Were yon acquainted with Anderson's handwrit
ing? A. Never unit 1*77.
y. In whoso writing ?>i this loiter that was banded
to you io deliver? A. I think it was in Air. Weber's
handwriting.
y. Did yon at one time proseeuie u cinlm before the
British Mixed Oommiaelon here? A. Ye?, sir, in be>
hall ul my uiouior In 1174; my mother was British
and I also until 1 h st ray individuality by marrying an
American.
ok van Ah ni'Thr.H i.trr.Atfis.
Mr. tintlor?Now Him you have got Hirougli 1 will
tail you Shout your tollers Ihal I have Iter*; 1 asked
ttoviruor Kellogg il lie lied any tetters in regard te
the election anu he handed me ? package ol papers
and in It I found your letters.
Witness? Why didn't you give ihem beck to blmf
General Duller?Because l hie use lor tbem.
w ttMts? nm yoa did im they were personal?
General Halter?I saw they were <|miu personal
The witness?Tbeu you had no business with I Mom
and you ougbt to Mara advised lum about U. I
thought you didn't gel iliera by lair means.
(Laughter )
MURK PKIVATK IIIHTOItr.
By Mr. Sprlngor?Wuero were you born? A. In
Glasgow.
y How long have you lived in New Orleans? A.
Since iny marriage eight years ngo
Q Did you or your mother live tnera during Ibe
War '! A. No, air.
Q What wa? tno nature of this claim you preaanted
agaioal tho British government ? A. I dou'l remem
ber.
y. Itou'i you know how touch was claimed before
thai committee* A. I don't remember; 1 will sub
mit the papers lu the case it you desire to see them.
Q. Was it uol about S63,uou? A. 1 don't Know.
Goner il Field, the Attorney Uenirai of our Stale, bad
ubarge of tbe aflair.
Q. Was one ol the olairat prosecuted for illegal ar
ra-t? A. 1 don't know.
Q. 1 aea In (he report ol tho cosoa that Commis
sion A. What lias that to do with our commis
sion horof 1 will give you a biographical sketch of
myseii If you deairo. (Laughter )
y. Were you a witness in tnst case for your
mother I A. 1 bo leve i war. I bad a power ol altoruey
to prosecute for her. My lather wasn't living at that
lime.
y. How much was awarded I A. 1 think about
$'JU,000 In gold.
Mr. .Springer?That Is all I liavo to ask.
The witness?Then I move we adjourn. (l.sughter.)
UKKKKAI. llOYJtrox's TESTIXOXY.
General 11. \". Hoyntou sworn una examined.
By Mr. McMatiou?Old you call on the 1'resident
about liio time you understood Andersen hud received
an appointmentt a. Yea, eir.
y. Old you nave a conversation with him about that
appoint moot v A. Yea, sir.
Q. For what purpose did you call on tho President
in connection wim that appointment? A. I did not
call ou tho Prusnlenf In inui connection at all, but in
the nuurm ot a long conversation i had Willi biin in
relaiion to various matters, thst question camo up,
and 1 bad a conversation ol about two minutes with
him ou that subject; the appointment had been an
nounced seme days belore as tba appointment ol au
Ohio ruau, and thsro bad been considerable
curiosity to know wb > be was and why he bad
been appointed, and within a day or two, or porbnps
tho same day ol niv interview with the Prcsldeul,
there Mud been a statement published In some oerno
cratle newspaper?1 tnmlc it was one ol tho iJahlmore
newspaper-?to tno elT cl Uist Anderson hud bsen
engaged disreputably tn manipulating tho vote ol ouo
ol tnc parishes ol Louisiana, and that consequently
be hod beeu appointed bv ths President on that
account; 1 asked tbe President how It hap
pened lhal this man was appoiuted, and
he replied thst no had been appointed
on account ol Ills si rvicos to the party; that he was
one who had naked u good deal for the puny la Louis
iana, and 1 llieu culled his attention lo tow charge
tnnt had been made iu that paper, and ths President,
without denying or saying anything with rsiareuee to
lhal point 1 mane, sunt that he did not think ho would
rreeive the sppoiutuien1, or thst he would retain tbe
olllce?that was tbe nmouiit ol it, and the conversa
tion dropped on that. 1 cannot givo the language ol
tho I'n-siueul. as this occurred over a year ago, and it
was quite un incidental niattsr.
y In thst conversation was It dronped by you or
the l'rotident that Anderson had uuy secrete about
Louisiana matters that might be unpleasant to t*lljj
A. No, sir, oxespt so Mir as that newspaper articio
was referred to in which that charge had been nude;
tout was referred to uy me and the President rnado no
reNpouxe on thst point; 1 asked him theu il his com
mission bad been revoked uud he made the saine re
ply, "I do nut thing ne will remain tu edict;'' thia
wan a very lew days after the 1st ol Jane.
y. 11ol i ou understand Irunt Ihe newspnper paru
graph that he was appoiuted lu order to inako him
Keep his mouth shut or became ho had secrets in
Louisiana politics ? A. 1 Inlerrod from ths,newspaper
article that he had besa engaged in some disreputable
way In manipulating the vole ot l.ouisiuna uud he hail
received mi appoint moot lu coeM-quence ol that; I
huvo given the suhstauce ol all that occurred.
VIXIXO TilK PATS.
Hy Mr. Cox?Have you eomparod that date In Judo
with tho letter written to (lie Mate Department asking
the holding or revoking ol Anderson's appoiultneui f
A. Yea, air; I heard I was to bo called before this
ciiintiiUtve with reference to tbe matter; 1
saw it so slated In a Western newspaper
and 1 went to my llles and fixed the
(lute of that conversation ana the dale ol ibe letter
lo tbe State Department, which was the 20lb of
May ; when I asked the President it his commission
had oeeu revoked and tie made the same reply. I sup
posed he had gooe out ol office, for tbe roesou which
was then current in pilhl that be bad reinsed to ac
cept this Consulate at Funchal of his own accord, and
that lelt tho impression or my mind that tbe cburro
inado in tba democratic paper was true, bnt upon
looking nt the dulo ol the letter und tbe dole of my
conversation with the President I found mat ho had
already directed bis commission lo be withheld.
By Mr. Mc.M.tbon?Hut tho President did not deny.
Mr. Itrcd?I ohjoct in such a question us that. I
don't think it should bo a*ke>L What ho donled la a
uisttar wholly ol inloroncc.
Mr. McMahon?Did too President make any dis
tinct response 10 the statement tnudo to hint ol
what you had read in a democratic piper! A.
Hla response was what 1 have stated, that
he did not suppose or huiievo '.hat tho
man wonld rrmaln in office or hold tho office; thut
was all the response that ha made; no conversation
that I had with tho President (weceeded en Mm theory
that be bad been coaling with htm on acooual of any
Improper aerv ce that be had done.
WHAT TilK I'UaHIOK.VT HA!D.
Or General Duller?Did you go up there at the
Invitation of iho ('resident ? a. Yes, air.
y. And you bud a conversation upon varieua politi
cal topics? A. It was not all political conversation; I
had u long conversation on oilier snhjects.
y. Il.ul It not been announced In toe papers at that
iioio that Audorson had docllued this olllce? A. Il
had been iinuounocd lhal he would piobahly decline
it; 1 had never hoard ot Anderson until bin appoint
ment woe announced. ,
H w no iniriiaucmi me lopto 01 ABurraoo, you or
the President 1 A. 1 (lid, and wo bod boon talking of
a number of appointments tbat bod boon mautand
tb? cmleuimo mat bad appaarod in iho newspapers
npnn thorn, aad 1 aakod ibo President uow it nap
polled tbat a poraon against wbnm auob ohargea bad
been inmlo alieuld bave received an appotuimeut at
ibo lianda of tho administration; 1 cannot giro yoti
tho President's exact words lu reply, bnt llier were
about as I have said.
if Uow aoon alter tbat conversation did yon repeal
it to anybody t A. 1 Cannot lay , 1 -poke ol Ibo nut
ter in aomo parties, but to bow many 1 do not re*
member.
tf. Uare you at any tuna attempted to give the
President's words exactlyf A. No, sir; I told tbe
? lory as it lay to mv mind at tbn timu I ropeaiod it.
if. Hare you not said tbit substantially?Hint you
asked tbe i roniuent bow ne came to make the ao*
poinnnenl oi aucn u m.o, against wnom eurb charge*
were made, au l lie said he was poairssed oi tome no
lineal secrets; didn't you uso Ibe words "political
secrets?'' A No, air, 1 did not; I am absolutely
re rial ii 1 dbl not say so to any body; tli* wards, '-politi
cal secrets'' were oercr used by lue Pfesid-nt, and 1
do nut think 1 crer ured the words in speaking to
anylmdy ol It.
if Ilave yon never u-ed there words In spending of
It?ibat tne President said be was appointed ''on a>
count ol matters nut best to no known 1"' A. No,
air, 1 have not; and 1 want you la understand Hint I
do not propose io make'an.y answer bare that w II re
fleet upon tbe President ol Hie Palled ttlates.
if Why not, il it it the iruib t A. I wilt te I you
why ? because 1 prooose to sln'e exactly what took
place nnd not give uny hallway answer Wlilcb may
reileci upon the President ol the ( nited States; I
nave told iu sub-tance all thMt look placu between
the President mid myself.
tf Have you uiven any person wb iteror to on ler
st iod It at ibo PrMidMt aai-l to you or gave you to
undernand I hat Annerto.i was poase-ae I of aomo
(Hilittra knowledge tbat it was not li.'at in have in ole
public? A. No, sir; iiio President did not ssy any
thing ol the kind.
tf l'iea-o Hiaio what reason the President did givo
lor this apt>oiniment? A. His ttainment was io ibe
<f?e-i thai ibl* men had been a good republican nod
had dons good republican earrlco in Louisiana ; thai
w?h i be sub-ounce ol it.
Mr. Cox objected to tbe course taken by tbe demo,
crallc member* of tbe committed He said mere
seemed to be u dosire to argue ihtigs and pot dates
together a* though It wusdetermined tbat It stinuld be
declarod before the public, step by step, that n part ol
this committed 1i?ve coiiv.elect the President irmn tbn
beginning.
Mr. lidlior denied, as far as he wna cone'rnrd, any
? aett imputation, end timed that ho Was not in be al
lecti-d in bis course by ilin glamour ?l ofllen. nut
would deal with men, however high or low the)|inigi t
be, itidllp-reiilly, gbd would nui u-k n question e iSTcere*
Ihg tho President of the Polled Sitira that he wou d
not put concerning tho bumbieav individual In tun
country.
Altar further Junurslon the examination of tbo
witness w is contlnui'd as follows:?
Hy Mr. IJutlor? Haven't ?on stated lo anybody tbat
the President aeld to you lliat twoniso Anderson Had
rome knowledge ul political affair* in Louisiana that
It was nscersarr, convcnlotit or proper tbat his ap
polntment aboubl bound*? A. Not to my racollro
imn; I may have convoyed that linpro'aion to tov
era! people, but ne to stating it ea the words of the
Proddem I am confident I never have done Io.
(f Havo you staled thai in substance aa what tbe
President said? A. I may have done so.
tf I)id you state it truly? A. I staled it truly aa
It rcniiiiuvd in my mind, and I wish io any right hero
I repel at. msinuai iodh that I h??e not told Hie lram
at nil nines, and, if nemssary, 1 shall protect myself
agmnoi siicb im|>iiiaiious; Hie rast ol this committee
are gentlemen, mid have treated me aaeucn ; but (l"0
oral iluilor is a rowdy, nnd ll tne commnten will not
protect ine I will proa't mvecll.
Ityr tfcneral fiuilar?Von havo neon on intimate terms
with tne President of taief A No, sir; 1 do oot
think I liavs b-eii nl tbe White House wioro than lialf
a doxen tlmea eince Prea deut Haves' Inauguration; I
was out riding wuli lbs Prvsident lor shout five hours
on ibe day wn had tbe conversation we have detailed,
bat I never have had as leng a conversation with iwm
since ; the President talked lively io tne on that ocea
a mil; I wus criticising soine of tba appointments
ii bo oi which he asked mo.
tf. When did you brat hear of lbs existence of Ibe
Matibcwa letters? A. Last .September.
tf. \Tlion did you first hour of me suppn?ed 9htr
inniilettcrr A. About the as mo Hm*?a mere mat
ter ol huWapeper talk.
if Where were you when Ibo UeVeagli commission
Want do* n to l.oulnlana r A. I was In Washington
Mr. 0*X?t deaire to take tne teaea ot ihe commit
tan us m wneiner wo propose to go into me question
oi Ho-doings oi ilia MoVuegn com tu isa I on io Apr*,
ls?7, or wuoiher we havo suuior.iy io eo so uuovr
llie resolulion oi botgryM udder wulrli we are .acting.
I be ( oininitU " then, on tliff inolmii ol Mr. MeMtfcus,
at ii qmrivr to lour P. M., want Into sccrnt *<???,on to
con-ider thia and oilier matters connected with tba
working* of tba committee, and abortly alter ad
journed until Tuesday morning, at hall-peat tan
o'clock.
ARMY INTELLIGENCE.
CONSOLIDATION OP THE DEPAIM MENTS OJT IH1
SOUTH AJD GULP?HKADQUAliTEEl 7 0 tC
Cl'PZ GOVERNMENT FIK PEBTZ.
Washington. Juno 24, 1873.
By dlroction o( tho President tbe Department* ol
Ilia Month and c:all sra consolidated under liia oimi
ol tho Department ol ibe South. Brigadier General C.
C. Augur romm mdmg, to take edict on the 1ft ol
July next, and all lb* recorda will be sent to tbe new
headquarter*, hereafter to bo seloctod and announced
in general orders.
DIVISION AND DKPARTN KN'T nKADQDARTSRH TO Bl U
FUrtTS UK IMRHACk*.
Tbe fan* order also d recta tbat by tbe Urate ol
section ft of in* Army Appropriation bill approve!
June 18, 1878, tbe headquartera of all di
visions and departments will o* moved
to some fort or harraeks the property
of ibe I'mied States bv or belore tbe 1st 01
July next. By headquarters is meant lb* command
log general th'erool, together wltb all ibu ataflfoflloers
(pursoual and geaoral) borne on his divi
sion and depart inenl returns. Each command
ing general may selact out ol ibo puats
subject to his command a place lor bis beadqnartcra
snd report the same by telegraph lor eool!rotation
to army headquarters. When there exls's, in ibeir
judgment, no suitable place ibe Commanding Gen
eral* may report tboir proierouces anu recommend*
tions lor tho apccial decision *f ibe Secretary ol
War.
AN ARMY INQUIRY.
HAS JUSTICE BEEN BONE BY COURT MARTIAL
IN THE CASES OP Ol NEIIAL HTZ JOHN FOB"
TEB AND SDBOEON OF.NEHAL HAMMOND?
West Point, X. Y-, Juno 24, 187$.
Tbe Board of Oflloers appointed by the President
March 15 to reopen tbu cases of William A. Hammond,
into Surgeon General ol tbe army, and Major General
Puz John Porter, oonvened to-day. Tbe Board is com
posed or Major General Jubn M. Scbofleld, la com
mand of the Department of Waal Point; Brigadier and
Brevet llsjor General Alfred 11. Terry, commanding tb*
Department of Dakota; Colonelund.Brevol Major Gen
eral George W. Gotty, commanding the Artillery School
at Fort rem Munroe, and Professor Asa Bird Gardner,
I-L D., Prolessor of Law at West Point and one of th*
Judge Advocates ol tbe srmv.
Ttto charge against General Hammond waa derelic
tion ol duty, and some years ago he was convicted by
general court martial and dismissed. It is cla>m*d
mat no was erroneously oonvictod, and tbls Board Is
to review Ibo proceedings ol tne court martial and to
report Uia result lo iliu l'rosiueni, who Is aulhorix d
to annul and sot aside the Undine* ana sentence ol mo
court martial II, alter suctl review, he shah deem it
right and proper to do so, and Ibu Board wlllgretidcr
lo tb* President their opinion as lo toe previous Unit
ing* snd sentence. General ilumiuoud, U i* unuvr
stood. subniiis bis case on the record of ibo proceed
ings of the general court martial itself.
the same ?ieps will bo taken by ibo Board lo Gen
eral KlU John Porter's case, in whtcn, It is understood,
new eyidouco has been discovered which was not
previously attainable and wbleli would have materi
ally inlluenoed tu* Court belore which he was tried
aud found guilty ol duobedieuoe lo oraers in uot re
sponding to Geueral Pope's order* lor him to rein
force tho letter's command at Ibe aeconu battle ?l
Bull Kua. In m* application to President Hayes for
a reopening ol his ? use he says he asks it ?s a matter
ol loug delayed Justice to btmsolt, and tbat ne renews
It upon tbe ground nerelolwro stated, tbat public Jus
tice oauuol he satisfied so long as bis appeal remains
unheard, as bis seulence is a continuing
sentence, made to follow his dally Die,
and lor this reason, if for no other, bis ease Is ever
wltotn ibe reach of executive as well as legislative In
terference. In conclusion be says:?"II 1 do not
make it plain ibat I have been wronged I alone am
tbe suflerer. If 1 do make it plalu that great injustice
has been don* me then I aui euro thai yon mid all
others who love truth and Justice will bo glad tbat the
opportunity for iny Vindication has not been domed."
Uenoral Porter's couoael are Jobn C. Balleli, ul Phil
adelphia; Joseph H. Cbualo and Anson Mai thy, of
New York. Tbey will submit a siatemonl In bcbail of
General I'orter at tbe opening ol ibo Board at olovon
o'clock to-morrow morniug.
lhu uttnoat publicity i* to bo given to too pro
ceediegs.
NAVAL INTELLIGENCE
BHOrg AT OOSPORT YARD CLOSED?TUB SABA
TOO A TO BE REPAIRED?CLFHKH PAID?THE
JLLIPTIC TO OO ON THE DItY DOCK.
[BY TELEGRAPH TO TUE HEHlLD. ]
Nokvoi.k, Vs., Jiioo 24, 1878.
Tbo thirteen shop* ol tho count ruction depart uicnt
of Gosport Navy Yard n.vs been cloacd lor waul of
money.
Tbo training ship Saratoga, wblcb arrived yester
day Iron Washington to tow ot tbo Fortune, went
Into tbo dry docK to-day to be recaulkod and recop
porod.
The clerk* and writers of the yard were paid off to
day lor tho drat time allien December.
Tho steamer Elliptic, ut tbo Washington yard, it
ordered here to go in the dry dock.
CflANOE OF COMMANDANTS OF MARINES.
WASitiMuroh, June 21, 1878.
The Inllnwiog changes ol commandants of miriuta
at the virions navy yardr, lo take cll.-ot August 1, were
made to.day :?
Captain George W. Collier, from Washington, to com
mand at Annapolis; Captain George Duller, irom
Brooklyn, to cominund at Wasbtngion; M?|or L. L.
Dawaon, Irom League Island lo Boston, Man-. ;
Captain George 1*. Houston, from Annapolis to Porta*
moulb. S. 11. , I.leutenant Colonel James II. Jones,
trow ltoaion lo command at Norfolk, Va. ; I.l>'Uienaol
Colonel Tnotnat Y. Field, Irom Portsmouth, N. 1L, to
Loague Island. Another cb mgr. though uoi ol a coin
in indent, 11 that ol Captain James Korney, who is
dstaened Irom Norfolk and ordered in l.esgue Island.
Tbts change alio will take i-floct August 1.
BUSPE^B'ON OF WORK IN TIE PCBTSMOUTH
NAVY YARD.
Portsmouth, N. H., June 24, 1878.
Notification having been received at tbla naval sta
tion that lunds lor tho Construction Department ot
the Portsmouth Navy Ynrt are short g.T.nOO, tbe em
ployes ol that bureau (?nine two hundred), wuli the
exception ol tbo caulkers, huvo (teen suspundud until
July 1.
BUMMER CRUISE OF THE MAYFLOWER.
Ahxapolin, ltd., June 24, 1878.
The prsollce steamer May fl iwer, Lieutenant Com
mander A D. Itrown com man ling, left this morning
on the annual cruise wilb the third anil fourth classes
et cadet nuginusrs. elis will Ural go lo Noriola and
continue her cruise ithtll September IS.
11USHFAN* VESSELS 1U BE ltKNAMEDl.
1 lliLAtn i.rillA, June 21, 1878.
Tbe ve'tela purchtied hy the Jtursiau government
and new undergoing repair* at Cramp's shipyard aro
to ba renamed when llicy aro completed and ready
lor service. The siaio ol California la to ba oaLcd
Europe, the Columnar Asm, the Saratoga Airica,
and the new vessel now tiulldicg Wilt bo cbrlstthsd
America.
TIIE CIVIL SEEVICE OR,DEU.
A STATEMENT ON At?THORI1 Y THtT THE rBDEB
WILL BE ENtORCJED.
WashIX)top, Jane 24, 1878.
Inquiries continue to bo medn ol the President tmai
persons occupying Federal olUcae In ilillereut porta of
tbo country a* tu whether tbo I'ristdeoi'a Civil
Servica order rcmalna in loroe, or whether
It ha* been modified. It can ba Maiod on
1 authority that the order will he ttilorrud. Thle order
promhi # persons holding Indorsl position* iroiu ink
i in( part in caucuses, primary meetings or couvsu
i lions, while (hey will he permitted to support any
{ candidate tiler choose and assist In sny way in. t Will
not interfere with the proper disoliargo ot tnelr official
; duties Voluntary couirihulious to campaign funds
are not considered by the 1'retldenl to bo violation*
el tht* order.
NEW YOUK S'.VINUH BANKS.
ALUIT. June 24, 1878.
The atatemsnt* mad* last night respecting tbe ex
penac* of Now York taring* bank*, in a|>ecial Albany
enrrcipotidcnca. were gro-aly inaccurate, a* they em
braced tho figure* lor a half year only, instead ol the
whole year. I'he hgure* should ho uouoiod in or I. r
to reach the true umonnia. In many ot tlie?e institu
tions the Hunk Department la already advised ol male*
rial reduction* in xalaric* and oilier rtpeuscs. the
Union lftHM Savins* Hank's expenses lor ?alaries and
inlacellaneous expenditures lor the current rear arill
ba barsly sixty per < nni of tbosn ol last year. The
Gerinaa Aavings Hank lias reduced it* expenses forty
pc coot on last year'i expen?os Too Metropolitan,
Mar tisltau, Dry Dook, Cm/ens' and Uowery have
also taken steps in ilia same direction.
GOB ED TU D#ATli BY A BULL.
Haatimok*, Mi!., Jane 24, 1878.
On Saturday afternoon, at rth Mary's Industrial
School, ntar tbi* city, Tboinas Flaming, a youth and
inmate ol tho inaliiuiivn, Was attacked and gored to
death by a hull.
bun ovku and Killed
Haiti v iMR, ltd., June 24, 1878.
Tbls morning L>at? Rebreibor, aged Iweaty-slg
years, was run ovar and Instantly killad fey the cart
et the FMIadrlpnia, Wilmington and Raltimerfe Hall,
road when cross iag tbe traok at Una teg.