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Sice of the farmer, > ti lemerlis charged \ rRESS. —— '~ui3tj» <s& **■■" - 110' ■ /7 'E OX FOJI /•: IGJ\ •li E LA I '1 Tuesday, Jvne 27. ( (-' bill h/i tur.se law h..vi<',g been .• third time and the question 11 the bill pass?" .ped that he should .*ng a few observa ■: the bill, not ■of the debate. He he felt a jection to bill becauseit admitted Fr< seds into our pons and barbers r a discrinuna d b;; made. He .he.reasons for this conduct were ! d very pli hid con- \ a\ the Ciitf ..c-.peake j as a gross violation ol i s and j of the of n« :cvecP ■ c had felt more indignation at it ! he did. But that was now atoned [ I consider (said Mr. P.) that the led ; t hat G. Britain i.«s stipulated to send an i fo negociate for t>. • tof ail differences. I . done, bicause Jder the faith of the British na tion as solemnly pledged to do them ; : it bad not been, the U. S- would . -.ye been justified in taking the attitude which we have tak< I It has been said that since the ar menthere has taken place, Bri tain has modified her orders in coun ation was pos r in point of date to the atra t here ; that is to say that the pro clamation of the President of the V. sued oil the 19th, and that! ■ /dified on the 29th of April ; yet in strict propriety the '•■ • y be said to have V -.; the arrangement, because it J before it was known. Viewing , subject in this light I do not be that the modification of the or in council did proceed from the ient here ; and I now declare i ich modification as has been \ made is to be considered as rescinding j " )-ding to the atipul kine, I should con- : mere mockery. Ido howe- j vcv consider it in a very different light, no doubt that the govern •I' G. Britain will adopt such modifi. r orders as they have stipulated to do. These are my i On this ground I did and do still - ought to have made a j I consider one have complied with the con »s of the non-intercourse act, ■t tha other has not varied its posi ll wi.l be recollected by the House tfjieij the question was yesterday ■tould ex- I bom belligerents, I voted in favor of it, and I confess that I prefer the exclusion to the ad •ol both. I know that the ad orn ; but, when i consider that th* honor ot the nation n; iby them, I wid n ute it ontrary to • of my country to admi . orders or d'< • /airing t cean. ;it there. .1 impropriety to tbeii tner mswithFri tat we should k eceive the intcllt c of otn our situ;, .or. is to the : the intro WASHINGTON ADVERTISER tion of the word " dependency," or j retaining it in the bill which it is in ; tended to re-enact. Gentlemen are i i not sensible oi" the very great embar rassments which the most intelligent 1 merchants have had to void the violation of our laws. A ves sel sails to a port which at me time of; her sailing is not a dependency of 1 France. When she arrives the French f ror has possession ; and the port < then bciftga dependency, the vessel j incurs the penalty of the law. It is true that under such circumstances the Secretary of the Treasury will re i he penalty. But why subject a i •i to this violation of your law when it is inconsistent with good p >li i cy ? It. i-i utterly impossible to p into effect a regulation prohibi with Fr mcc. It is k:»own that our vessels going ..o Barbadocs have brought and will brio;; back French Is. They do not know whether the articles they carry are ol French i th or not, yet at the same time there can be no doubt that a conside rable portion of those articles are of i French production; and, if so, the i property is liable to condemnation. I a.it not in favor of passing a law which presents such strong temptations to a violation of it. 1 have a high opinion of our merchants. It is owing to j their honor and punctuality that your j revenue has been so great as it is ; but jif once you encourage the practice ot ( smuggling or introduce such strong " temptations to it, your revenue will [ cease to come into the Treasury with \ such certainty as it has. I shall not trouble the House wilh any further observations, though I hive other insuperable objections to the bill. 1 should be happy to agree with the majority in favor of the bill ; but, viewing it as I do, viewing the admission of French ships into our waters as inconsistent with the course laid down for our conduct by the non intercourse law, viewing it as incon t with the honor and dignity of the nation to admit any armed vessels into our waters whilst the country to which th< erect; in i mst us, I must vote against the bill. Mr. Macon said he was against admitting the armed vessels of either j belligerent into our waters. He would i place our foreign relations precisely •j in the state in which the President had '.left them, saying neither Yea or Nay joe the subject of their armed vessels, •j leaving it where it had been left by ! both the parties to the late anange ! merit. He should have been glad that j the same disposition had been mani ; fested towards us by France as by ' ! Great Britain ; but because there had j | not he would do nothing towards her i [to prevent it. Some gentlemen had? j conceived that an indiscriminate ad- j ion would be more advantageous f jto France than to Great Britain. Mr. i jM. said he did not agree with gentle-. I men in this ; for Great Britain ha and her West India Islands, to ■ which she was in the habit of sending ; out vessels ; whilst France, having no | possessions on the American coast, had j no occasion for our hospitality. Mr. M. said he sincerely hoped i that we should now act, as we tofore done, so as to give to ncl- j ther of the belligerents cause to eh us with partiality. He was decidedly pinion that we ought to leave both nations in the same state as they were left by the President's proclamation. He had no doubt that Great Britain would send a minister to negociatc.— But i left as to her for'the sur render or repeal of which she had any Nothing. As to France: she would have no shipping at sea, so r lasted in Europe, un took place which he (' utd not. You give France a j r your Waters, said he, I take away any inducement she j might have had to rescind her decrees, of the bill will •dries of nation, is not a very pleasant thing tobe opposed to the evident sen imeftt of a majority of the House ; but it is (he bounden duty of those who think as I do to vote, as I shall, against the Mn. Taylor, said it appeared to he ; i all hands that nothing should I be done by the I orass 'he negociation ; and he presumed hat the majority in the different stages ■S this bill had be< n dc uated by that It, said Mi. T I could sec the present measure in the light in which WASHINGTON CITY, PRINTED BY SAMUEL HARRISON SMITH, PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE. MONDAY, JULY 17, 1809, its friends appear to view it, I certain ly should be in favor of it. But when it is recollected that your legislative acts have been held out to your fellow citizens and to foreign nations, promis ing a perseverance in our restrictive tires against such nation as shall ; continue to oppress our commerce by I her unlawful edicts, I consider our * faith as pledged to the nation that, ac- \ cording to the recession of one belli- j gerent or perseverance of the other, we i were to shape our com • The gentleman from Virginia aim ed a side blow at those who, in the discussion of this d spoken of the ground whi ye taken. Oi the effects supposed to be produced by the non-intercourse I had a right to say we. The sense of t lie House was taken distinctly from a repeal of the embargo, on the f fit report of the itttee of foreign relations. It was then that the principle was decid ed, and it was that act which was taken hold of across the Atlantic, and made the ground of the instructions which came out by Mr. Oakley to the British envoy here, and on which the arrange ment did take place. Now, though the gentleman seems unwilling that any part of the House should say we, I vindicate the claim which I have to mo it. In fact I would claim for the mover of the original proposition to this House for the 11 i of arm ed vessels, the in from North C irolina (Mr. Macon) the merit of the late negociation, if it attach any where. But I am not willing to tarry on the co-partnership. I will not now say we. I, who voted for the motion go-' ing to give power to the President of the United States to issue letters of marque and reprisal against "that na- i tion which persevered in its edicts af- j ter the other had withdrawn them, am ' not willing on the passage of this bill to say hy it you admit instead of continuing the exclusion against; armed vessels, when, instead of a re cession, injuries have rather been ad- ! ded. When gentlemen I why | they have admitted Frerch "Vessels, in I Lifter the temper displayed and the voles given at the last session ; on the subject, their*s must be a feci- ! ing in which I would not participate, and therefore I will not say " (Debate to be Continued.) I) E 8 X T E Sizzling the GCT.v-nQ.Trs Thursday, June 22. In committee of the whole on the bill " concerning the Navy Establish ment" — A motion was made by Mr. Pitken jto insert after the word " autheri ■ the words " to cause to he sold all the '. GW-BCA'r.s belonging to the U. States, ■I nuchas he may judge reft [for actual nervier, and also." | Mr. Pitkin observed that if the • time, was not yet come for discharging ! the gun boats from the Navy Estab ! lishmeot, the time must come. The I House now had before them a statc | ment of the Secretary of the Navy, j from which it appeared that otic gun !on board a gun-boat required to light jit nearly six times as many . precisely six times as much money as ! a gun on board a frigate. This was j almost the Btate at the i and it appeared that even the compa j rative estimate of original cost w favor of large vessels ; that 19 gun i boat*-: rying ttvo gun?, would cost more than a frigate of 5 6 guns. ; The difference between the cxpence jof fighting a 5(5 gun frigate and 56 ying one gun, was half \ a million in favor of the former. The only argument then in favor of gun ■] boats was, that the gun-boats might answer a better purpose than frigates. I ! Mr. P. said they might or might not. I lln some cases frigates must be of i much greater service than gun-boats. It was not only on account oi the ex o of these gun-boats in service, he objected to them, but on ac connl of the expence of keeping them linary. And it appealed to him, Congress oaght not to continue this expence, unless some very great - fit was to be derived from it. , urpuse of shewing the slate in which these boats brobably would be at I the end of the year, Mr. P. said he would beg leave to call the attention f the tary of the Navy in answer to lea of a committee of the Se en the subject; and for this pur he quoted th« b was published in No. 1358 of the National Intelligencer. It appeared by this re port, Mr. P. said, that it would require a large annual expenditure to keep these boats in ordinary. He said he did believe and always had said it, that, in case the country should ever be in vaded, and gun-boats were wanted to aid and assist our forts and frigates, I they could be taken up in the course of a month in sufficient numbers. All ; bay and water craft could be immedi ately turned into gun-boats. There could be no necessity therefore to keep these boats against invasion) and they could be of no use in any other case, for it was agreed on all hands that they could not go to sea. In point . of economy, therefore, was it not best i that they should be sold, and if ever ! we should be invaded, if ever n hostile force should come upon our coast, that river craft should be taken up on the spur of the occasion and converted into gun-boats ? It could not be doubt ed. Mr. Pitkin said, he therefore ho ped, notwithstanding gentlemen had heretofore voted for gun-boats under the belief that in case of invasion they might be of some service, yet as the probable good was far counlerbal by ihe certain evil that they would vole to sell them. He did hope that the time was now come, when from fact (not theory) from the report of the Secretary of the Navy ft appeared that we have given too muci tie, gentlemen Would be cpnvim high lime to part ats. Mr. Bur well as very ; easy matter to understand this contest between frigates and gun-boots. The I gentleman from Connecticut hi j ways been opposed to the latter, ti- ' [ cause if the the United States expend - part of their money in • they would not c ; frigates. For one, if the ' ; were to have a navy of any i |B. caid he was deckle or of ! the : . system, ystem was j | one which it was in thl I this . y into c navy system was nor. VVI i ject was within the power of th I vernment was it not i j with sound d j than atone which v i The gentleman from 'i (Mr. Milnor) told us th dreamt of our fit: resist or coerce the B iveriy i ment, but to oppose the French, he- ] causa their marine is small. Now, j sir, said Mr. B. it it is decided that, | whatever may be the conduct of the | British government, we may not meet , them on the ocean, where is the ne- j ccssity of accumulating a species of force which cannot cope with similar force of other nations ? I have always been of the same opinion on this sub ject as the gentleman from Per, vania, and therefore have always been j against frigates. And here I will ob- . it is by coi restriction I give up all ide tending with the mistress ocean. With respect to the statemc Secretary oi' the Navy, I believe there j is nothing more obvious than thai erroneous. He goes upon the ground that we shall always keep on board the j ; so many men as are necessary to fight them ; and that is the l , why the expence appears so eitl tant, and why, in the estimate of the | Secretary, gun-bouts appear to be so j much more expensive than they really 'j are. Let me ask if the appr • for gun-boats have been deficient i comparison with the frigates ' j well as I recollect, the appropri for one year- has never exec , j 800,000 dollars. j There is another circumstance' in ■ relation to these vessels wh ; at this time be remedied, and which , it is unfortunate was not ai , when they were built. boats are too large. As a speci armed vt cruizi i in such a man ; purpose they have . conversed with the officers of the navy on the subject y stated to ; mc that the gun-bi urope are i small, and put in motion by means of , oars, sometimes perhaps uring a sin < boat of that kind , might be built for 2,000 dollars and . n . swer every purpose io which th. . largi now in service ?Alj> l»f AhVAHCE. Connecticut whetlu the doctrine of the j, <t i Pennsylvania, your navy i exclusively to fight Fran no other purpose) consistency \\ not require that we should at least pend for a moment the Side of I vessels ? However unpopular species of vessel may be, l< whether, if sold, they the \ they are constructed cost the I Is it necessary to mm k tion Litis system which has received the approbation of all Europe ? throw away all the capital ail pendedonii? The gentleman tays i that they are of no service and that if we want them for sei iwc should soon be able to part bay craft for the purpose. Let us keep them by us till they rot. If they are found to be unfit for the service Of the country, build no mor If you sell them now they mus sold much beneath their cost or v- Besides, sir, I am one of those i have frequently voted for gun-boat*, not because they were the rage at all, but because I believed them adequate to the object in view. And, let Rig tell the gentleman, however us he may deem them in the Nor' , thry will be of service on the hern shore, s, ugh. The gentleman tellj vi ■ I c invade him why has he pressed up the encreascd expenditure for foi i ? Why is he averse to di • ■ present attitude ? Be 'cause, I presume, he r, thing I'Ofthl L should presume that his reasoning in favprof an expenditure for fortifications won; I ply as well to gun boats. I am wi! pe that the expend is now g ti a time i would ; and il we \ wait till that time arriv. do \ ,a i c land'—and do brutwn fui» I the Fiench force on tin Whilst v; i ing the public attemien to the j mity of onr e> ' a reduction of them, let it 1 a species of defence (the frigates) not less expensive and much more us than any other. If the root' before us prevail, I shall i move to insert a clause for s< j all the frigates, as a matter of c Mr. LIVKRMORK S1 i. God I \ that I shuuid be the mo hern breihrrri pi mea nee ! Ti goes to sell such of lb not be deevnee ie service. .1 havi tain so mary ~ rice, but i • willing that Virginia An [ Kentucky and Ohio si them. Igo upon the ground that j man last up, viz. that they ) means o! .:.a of set to be CO: i little, tin mor,: and i it m ■ result fron g 1368.