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PRICE TWO CENTS. WHITE PINE LUMBERMEN HAVE NAUGHT TO FEAR FROM HILL STRIKE WILL BE PROLONGED Hopes of Strikers Revived by Action at Joliet. TRUST ACCEPTS GAGE Ready for a Long Siege If Such Is to Come. WHEELING PLANTS MAY MOVE One Section of Employe* of National Tube Work* Will Not Strike. Pittsburg, Aug. 16.—The reversal of front by the men of Joliet has cheered the Eteel strikers more than any other event of the week and their hopes again seem blgh. it has ended for the time being all talk of peace by compromise and given the fight the aspect of a prolonged one. The strikers declare in their enthusiasm that they will force the Milwaukee men to join with them and that in the end the Chicago steel workers, rather than lose the hallmark of unionism, will finally re consider their action and swing into line. This optimistic program remains to be carried out, however. The loss at Joliet has had no apparent effect upon the men who are directing the field operations of the steel corpora tion. One of them remarked when he heard the news from Joliet: "Well, it seems to be settling down to a long drawn-out fight and I guesa we can win at that sort of a game." To Reopen at Moneasen. There were no developments to-day in the situation in western Pennsylvania, Ohio, or West Virginia. McKeesport and Wheeling continue silent, while here in Plttsburg and vicinity no effort was made to add to the force at the mills, which are working either partly or in full with non-union men. The steel corporation is preparing to reopen the steel works at Monessen. White men are being brought up from the south and it is by Monday expected a start will be made. Every precaution to guard the non-union men is being taken, as it is feared that when they arrive some of the strikers and their sympathizers cannot be held in check by their leaders. The American Tin Plate officials have plans for resumption at some of their idle plants, but have carried no more of them out yet. The strikers claim that the lower union Carnegie mill and the Lind say & McCutcheon mills are impaired, but this the steel officials deny. Words Front Shaffer. President Shaffer, when asked If Trus tee Pierce had gone east to do some or ganizing, said: "I will not talk on Mr. Plerce's trip." "Will he go to Duncanville?" was asked. The response was: The Amalgamated association never sought to organize those men. They sent word for us to send an organizer there. We did so, with the result that is already known. We have not troubled ourselves about them since. They do not amount to a row of pins, and if they come into the association it must be voluntarily. I have received a telegram from Mr. Tlghe stating that the Joliet men are out md that he will go to Milwaukee. "Have you any word from Vice Presi dent Davis of Chicago?" was asked. Mr. Shaffer replied: I have not heard from Mr. Davis and do not know his position. I know what is going on in every mill in the country, and am sat isfied with the situation. I have reports from the local mills supoeed to be in operation and of their failure In turning out work. It looks nice to see the flames of these mills going up. but our men know there is nothing going on in them that amounts to anything. Mr. Tighe has the right to bring back the charters of western lodges where the men refuse to go out, and will do so if necessary. If I were one of these men I would be ashamed of my self. A telegram from McKeesport announces that the fires of the Monongahela blast furnaces will be drawn to-morrow and 400 men will be without employment. The order to close down resulted from the strike. The strike organizers are working among the Carnegie men at Homestead and Duquesne and claim they have a foot hold. They may hold a meeting at the latter place on Saturday night. The steel managers say their position at these two places is impragnable. Plant* May Leave Wheeling Wheeling is stirred by a statement that the steel corporation is planning the re moval of several of its plants to towns where there is less labor sentiment. The steel workers at the Riverside plant are the only ones still at their places. Plans for the relief cf strikers are being perfected at McKeesport and Wheeling. Only |275 has been raised at the former place, but more is promised. Wheeling has named a relief committee. Contribu tions are coming in to Secretary Williams here, but no plan for aiding the men who are out has been announced. It Is reported that the tube welders of the National Tube Works at McKeesport have refused to join any union and that th_ey will return to work whenever the strike shows any weakness. The knob blers are to meet on Sunday and vote on a continuance of the strike. Discussing strike benefits to-day President Shaffer eaid: Under our constitution our men will, on Sept. 1, commence to receive $14 a week apiece. There is no provision for men out side of the Amalgamated, but they will be looked after. Every McKeesport Plant Cloned. The 600 employes of the National Gal ranizing works, an adjunct of the National fube company, at McKeespon, joined the »trikers to-day. This closes every plant Ji McKeesport. Referring to the status of the men in Ihe western lodges who have refused to Itrike, President Shaffer declared himself 10-day as follows: The men of the Chicago lodges of the kmalgamated Association who refused to obey ihe strike order will be placed without the pale or the organization. Notices will be >ent to all the lodges to receive no communi satlon from them and to send none to them »nd to accept no working cards from them. Buch notification will be given at once. A Sate will be set at whw-h the intercourse must tease, the date to cover the recent defection of the men in the trust plants of the west. BAY VIEW OtTLOOK Sentiment in Favor of Striking Re ported GroninK. Milwaukee. Aug. 16.—Michael Tighe had B«t reached Milwaukee up to 1 o'clock this afternoon, but is expected some time to-day. Michael Kelly returned at noon from Pittsburg, where he conferred with President Shaffer relative to the Bay View situation, and will make his report to the lodge as soon as a meeting is called. It is expected that a meeting of the local lodge will be held to-night, but President Redfern, of the lodge, prefers to wait un til Sunday, when a full attendance can be had. From talks with several of the local leaders to-day it would not be surprising if the Bay View men at the meeting which Mr. Tighe will address will decide to strike, the sentiment in that direction having changed considerably since Sunday. The action of the Joliet lodge, too, it Is believed, will have a strong influence on the men. Michael Tighe reached Milwaukee at 1:45 this afternoon. He says he will not know when a meeting of the Bayview lodge will be held until after a conference with the ofilcials of that lodge. He ex pects to meet the Milwaukee leaders in the course of the afternoon. No action will be taken by> the Milwaukee mill workers until a meting is held. EVIDENCE FIRST Ami-Trust People Prepare to See Knoi, Special to The Journal. Washington, Aug. 16.—The anti-trust party are resting on their oars for a few days. It is their intention, as previously stated in these dispatches, to make an appeal to the attorney general of the United States in behalf of the steel strik ers. They think that the Sherman anti trust law is being grossly violated by the steel trust; first, in its articles of associ ation; and next, in the attitude which the trust is maintaining towards its former employes. It had been their plan to take the matter to the department of justice early this week, but after consultation by wire with former attorney general, Frank S. Monnett of Ohio, who is to be their spokesman, they have decided to se cure all of their evidence first. An agent of the anti-trust league has gone to New Jersey, where he will get certified copies of the trust's articles of incorpora tion, charter, etc., and another agent is collecting evidence on the scene of the strike. This evidence will be ready shortly, and then, their case being made up. H. B. Martin and his associates say they will visit the department of justice. If Mr. Knox declines to meet hi 3 visitors, they will bring pressure to bear; and as a last resort Mr. Martin says that con gress will bo appealed to with a request for impeachment. PROFIT-SHARIXG Plan to Admit Employes to the Steel Corporation. New York, Aug. 16. —The Press says that J. P. Morgan has planned the greatest labor union of the age, a union of labor and labor's ally—capital. According to his plans, stock of the United States Steel corporation, valued at several millions of dollars at par, has been set aside for the purchase at inside figures by the 165,000 men employed by the companies that make up the great steel trust. It is contem plated to form this co-partnership be tween the share holders and the employes of the United "States Steel corporation. The plan was conceived before the strike was thought of and then it was expected that it might be put in opera tion in two years. The Press also says that the plan contemplated by the United States Steel corporation is nothing more than a high development of the scheme that has pre vailed in the Carnegie plants since 1892. JOLIET MEN STRIKE Illinois Steel Company Employes Go Over to Shaffer. Joliet, 111., Aug. 16.—The four lodges of the Amalgamated association employes of the Illinois Steel company at the Joliet mills, by a unanimous vote, decided last | night to obey the strike order of Presi j dent Shaffer. The steel mills were closed at noon to ! enable the members of the association to ! attend the meeting, which was called by I National Assistant Secretary Tighe. It I was argued that in order to se ; cure the organization of non- I union workers in the east, it was essen tial that the western men would have to i join the strike movement. This action will close the entire steel 1 plant here, throwing out of employment nearly three thousand men. The Joliet men had the same contract \ ! with the Illinois Steel company as the I j South Chicago workers, who refused to i listen to the arguments of Secretary i Tlghe. \ IX SOUTH CHICAGO Prediction That Juliet's Example Will Be Followed. Chicago, Aug. 16.—1t was reported to ; day in South Chicago that some of the.. '■ former members of the Amalgamated as- I sociation held a secret meeting last night and appointed a committee to go to Mil yaukee and ask Assistant Secretary Tighe to return to South Chicago. The news of the action of the workers in Joliet caused : much excitement among the men. Some I of them ventured to predict that its re j sult will be to bring about a strike next Sunday in South Chicago. * SHOVEL TRUST Five" of Fourteen Big Con cerns Incorporate a Company. —^_^__^____ '■;■ n Special to The Journal. New York, Aug. 16.—The consolidation jof the leading shovel manufacturers of the country was perfected in this city to day. Papers incorporating the company ! with a capital stock of $5,000,000, of which three-fifths will be preferred and two fifths common, will be forwarded to Tren ton to-day or to-morrow. The company will be known as the Ames Tool and Shovel company of America, and will include the Ames Shovel Works of -North Eastern, Mass.; Rowlan Shovel Works of Philadelphia, Wright & Alfred Shovel Wortcs of Terre Haute, Ind.; St I Louis Shovel Works of St. Louis, Mo., and the T. H. Meyers Shovel Works of Beaver Falls. There are, it is "said, fourteen old and I well-established shovel works In the j ; United States. Of these five of the largest j are now In the combine, leaving nine in dependent . factories. There are also in course of erection or about completed i fourteen : new ' factories, which will, with : the nine old ones, make twenty-three in | dependent companies. . LEFT THREE MILLIONS Edwin Manning, One of lowa'a Rich , Men, Is Dead. Dcs Moines, lowa, Aug. 16.—Edwin Man ning, one of the wealthiest men in lowa, died to-day at his home in Keosauqua. His estate is : valued at $3,000,000. - - FRIDAY EVENING, AUGUST 16, 1901. SUBSIDENCE OF FLOODS Fears of Wholesale Loss of Life Not Realized. VESSELS ARE MISSING Some People Drowned in the Vicin- ity of New Orleans. MOBILE'S HEAD IS ABOVE WATER Uneasineaa Pelt Regarding; the Mil itary Posts on Mobile Bay. New Orleans, Aug. 16.—The big storm has practically subsided here and both the river and the lake are falling. The water has receded rapidly from that section of ft the city overflowed yesterday. Various lake resorts bore the brunt of the storm. Little news has come thus far from the Mississippi sound, but no loss of life has been reported in that section. The Louis ville & Nashville railroad is still crippled, no trains having been run since night be fore last. The subsidence of the water, however, makes it probable that the dam age to the tracks will be quickly repaired and that traffic will be resumed by night. A large number of business men are still bottled up on the coast and unable to get to their offices. The Northeastern road has had some trouble, but the Illinois Central has aided both the Louisville & Nashville and Northeastern in handling their passenger traffic, *%c Cromwell liner Comus reached the city to-day. She had no trouble in the storm and reported no vessels in distress. Unknown Steamer Wrecked. Dr. J. N, Thomas of the quarantine station boarded the Comus near the mouth of the river and told Captain Franklin that an unknown schooner and a small boat had been wrecked in that vicinity and six lives lost. No serious damage was done to quarantine station. A report from a point below the city says the tug Biloxi of Slidell, and two barges went ashore and that the fate of those on board is not known. The report of the loss of the Cobden family of fifteen^above quarantine station has not been confirmed. At Shell Beach the wind has ceased, but the water is rising and there has been considerable damage to crops. Rice has been damaged considerably. The United Fruit company's eteamer Esther arrived here to-day. She experi enced heavy winds, but was not injured and saw no vessels in distress. The Esther reported that there was no serious damege at quarantine station, but that considerable property had been swept away at Port Eads. The fruit company fears for the safety of another of its ships, the Fulton. The Fulton left Cuba fourteen and a half days ago and is now ten days overdue. (iniiK to a Tree. Captain Stevenson of the Esther brought up with him Captain Dunham and four members of the crew of the tug Biloxi. The Biloxi capsized during the storm and the five rescued men made their way to a tree to which they clung until rescued. They reported that two of the crew of the tug were missing. Captain Stevenson reported also that he saw a ship's maet, possibly a fruiter's, mucking out of the water about nine miles How Many Canadians There Are Ottawa, Aug. 16.—The population of the Dominion of Canada, according to the census returns given out to-day, is 5,337,166, an increase of 503,827 over the census of 1891. These returns are not authorized by the census commissioner, but they are understood to be those which the department will give to the public. Taken by provinces, the increase will be as follows: Quebec, 132,434; Ontario, 53,657. Manitoba, 2,212; Northwest, 79,300. Yukon and unorganized district, 43,113. British Columbia, 92,000; Maritime provinces, 11,000. In a number of Instances such as in the Yukon and the unorganized districts, the department has made an estimate, as the returns have not yet been received. The result is disappointing, aud the only explanation is that the returns for 1891 were padded. According to the returtis, Ontario will lose about five members and the Mari time provinces three or four. Manitoba ought to increase its representation by three members and the Northwest, including Yukon and British Columbia, ought to bring the representation up to about what it is now—2l3 members in all. The population of the Dominion is given at 5,838,883, an increase of 505,644 over the census of 1891. The population of the province is as follows: British Columbia, 190,000; Manitoba, 246,464; New Brunswick, 331,093; Nova Scotia; 459,116; Ontario, 167,978; Prince Edward Island, 103,258; Quebec, 1,620,774; Territories, 145,000; unorganized territories, 75,000. The population of the cities of Canada is as follows: Montreal, 266,826; Toronto, 207,971; Quebec, 68,834; Ottawa, 59,902; Winnipeg, 42,336; Halifax, 40,787; St. John, 40,711; London, 37,983; Victoria, 20,821; Kingston, 18,043; Brantford, 16,631; Hull, 13,088; Charlottetown, 12,080. In a few districts the records of the present year are incomplete and the figures for them have been estimated in part. The returns of the ex treme northern portions of Quebec and Ontario and for the unorganized territories of Athabasca, Franklin, Keewatin, Mackenzie, Ungava and Yukon have not been deceived. OUT OF THE BRYAN FOLD. from Southwest Pass. He was unable to identify the vessel and saw none of her crew. The Esther had as passengers Juan y Carrillo, family of twelve and four ser- Vants, all of Belize. They had been at the quarantine station for several days and rassed safely through the storm. Captain Stevenson said a houseboat and some small craft had been ljattered to pieces in the vicinity of the station, but he had learned of no loss of life. PERIL FOR SOLDIERS An 1/neuxinesH Concernine Military Posts at Mobile Hay. Washington, Aug. 16. —Some uneasiness is felt at the war department concerning the military posts at Mobile bay, especial ly at Fort Morgan, where the Eighth and Ninety-ninth companies of coast artillery are stationed. Fort Morgan and the mili tary posts are on a sand spit about thirty feet above tide. No reports have been re ceived at the department concerning these posts. The two batteries are under com mand of Major Luggi Lomia. The bat teries consist of about 106 men each. CROPS DESTROYED Worat Flood Tennessee Ever Had This Time of Year. Chattanooga, Term., Aug. 16.—The Ten nessee river, now at thirty feet, is rising at the rate of eight inches per hour and the rain that has lasted forty-eight hours continues. The danger line will be reached this afternoon, and the prospect is good for ten feet more without addi tional rain. Reports from Alabama in dicate the approach of the Mobile storm. All growing crops in the Tennessee val ley were destroyed. No such flood has ever occurred here in August. MOBILE SAFE Water Subsides and No Loss of Life In Reported. Mobile, Ala., Aug. 16.—10 a. m.—As far as kuown at this hour there has been no loss of life from the terrific storm in Mo bile or its immediate vicinity. No re ports have as yet been received from the coast or any islands below. Several ves sels have been lost, but the crews are be- i lieved to be safe. The water, which reached a high stage in the city, has sub sided and is now almost normal. The ag gregate damage to property in Mobile is considerable. Nobody is a loser, however, in any large amount. CALIFORNIA CLOUDBFRST Immense Amount of Damage at Tehacbapi. Bakersfteld, Cal., Aug. 15.—A terrible cloudburst occurred at Tehacbapi, doing an immense amount of damage. All con- | nectione by wire, telephone and telegraph, are severed and it is impossible to obtain particulars. Four cr five washouts re sulted and the Southern Pacific and Santa Fe railroad trains are detained here un til the track is in shape for, traffic. Scores of men are at work repairing the damage. It is reported that two inches of rain fell in half an hour. PATH OF THE STORM It Is Reported In a Northerly and Northeasterly Direction. Atlanta, Ga., Aug. 16.—Weather Fore caster Marbury said of the storm condi tions to-day: The storm that has prevailed along the gulf for the past few days is now confined prin cipally to the eastern portion of the Missis sippi valley—the storm center this morning being over Meridian, Miss. The path of the storm seems to be in a northerly and north easterly direction. Normal barometric pres sure is reported as far north as Cincinnati. The disturbance has caused heavy rains over Alabama and northern Georgia, while to the westward the rainfall in the past twenty-four hours has been light. The storm is apparently moving a trifle east of north in the direction of the eastern Ohio valley, and its influence will be doubtless felt iv that section Saturday. Heavy rain falls were reported at Mobile, 3.78 inches; Meridian, 3.62; Montgomery, 2.66; Atlanta, 1.90; Knoxville, 1.14. ROCK FELL Three Man Killed and Two Injured in Tamarack Mine. Special to The Journal. Calumet. Mich., Aug. 16.—At a late hour last night the hanging rock in the twenty eighth level of shaft No. 2 of the Tama rack mine gave way, falling on the men below. Three men were killed and two injured. The recovery of the injured is doubtful. The dead are as follows: Richard Trezona, age twenty-eight years, married, leaves wife and child. John Simmons, twenty-three years old, miner, single. Mathew Stainhsa, Austrian, aged twen ty-six years, trammer, married; leaves wife in Austria. The injured were as follows: Samuel Jacobson, a Finlander, trammer. Mathew Amula. a Finlander, trammer. Samuel Jacobson, one of the men in jured, had worked In the Tamarack mine oaly two shifts and formerly worked in the Quincy mine at Hancock. 16 PAGES-FIVE O'CLOCK. COAST LUMBERMEN ARE TURNED DOWN President Hill Declines to Grant Their Request for Lower I^ates, Permitting Invasion of White Pine Territory. "Community of Interest" Helps to Head Off the Raid Planned by the Lumbermen of the Pacific Coast, James J. Hill, president of the Great Northern, has refused to grant the request of the Pacific coast lumbermen for lower rates for tbeir product. Manulacturers of white pine lumber were just ac sanguine that the Pacific coast lumbermen would not obtain the re duction in rates to the Missouri river, the Mississippi river, and Chicago, for which they asked, as the west coast lum bermen were of securing it. While the west coast men talk of going after the eastern trade on a reduced rate to Chicago, the Minneapolis and all other white pire manufacturers say that the main object of the west coast men is to cut into the trade of the Dakotas, Nebras ka, Kansas, lowa, Missouri and Oklahoma. Those states are now the choice territory for all of the manufacturers west of Chi cago. The trade of the next ten years in those states will be tremendous. They constitute the largest battle ground of the lumber barons of the west. On most grades of lumber the contest for business lies between the white pine of the north, for which trade Minneapolis Is the center, and the yellow pine of the south. Two years ago the west coast manufacturers succeeded in crowding their firing line into Colorado. They immediately fol lowed with demands for further conces sions to carry them into the trade now being largely supplied by the mills of the Mississippi valley. Their request for re duction of rates was not granted. They have persisted and as related in yester day's dispatch to The Journal, have renewed their efforts to induce President Hill of the Great Northern to grant the concession. But Mr. Hill has promptly declined to do so. The present rate on fir lumber, the big lumber product of the coast, to the Mis souri river and lower Mississippi river points is 50 cents per hundred pounds. It is the same, to Chicago. To Minneapolis and upper Mississippi river points the rate is 40 cents. This rate also applies to points in Minnesota on the transcontinen tal lines we6t of the Minnesota Transfer. The west coast men ask for a 35 cent rate to Mississippi river points and a 40 cent rate to Chicago. "The Commnnity" and Lumber. This demand for lower rates is one in which several of the. large railroad sys tems of the west are vitally intereeted. It is one point where the community of interest may come into play. Tho situa tion is so complicated that the white pine , manufacturers feel that it fortifies their | future influence in the market mentioned, comprising many of the southwestern states. It is also well understood that the railroads generally have taken a firm stand to protect the white pine men until the production in the white pine country is materially curtailed by the exhaustion of supplies. Any movement on the part of ] the Great Northern and Northern Pacific j to reduce rates would in all probability be j followed by a cut in rates by other roads | not interested in the west coast traffic. The Morgan-Hill system, comprising the Great Northern, Northern Pacific and the Burlington, is naturally much interested In west coast lumber. This timber is largely located in Washington, Oregon and Idaho. The two transcontinental lines would secure a long haul in bringing the lumber east, and the Burlington by its connection with the Northern Pacific at Billings, Mont., would realize a good revenue on the haul from the west as well as being the system largely used by the other two lines in distribution in the southwest. To the south the Harriman system and the Gould system are interested in the distribution of yellow pine from the for ests of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas. The Milwaukee distriubtes a large amount of white pine from this market and through its connections gets a good business out of yellow pine. The same may also be said of the Burlington, which is to be one of the big distributing agents when west coast lumber finally works into the southwest. Hot Competition Feared. It is argued by traffic men that a rate allowing the entrance of west coast lum ber into these states would increase the competition to such an extent tiiat a gen eral reduction of rates from all points would follow and the final result would be a reduction in revenue all around. The yellow pine roads are jealous of their business, the white pine roads are equal ly so, and if community of interest amounts to anything, it will dictate the preservation of the present rate situation as far as the cdast is concerned. Again all of the roads are guarding their sources of revenue for the future. Yellow pine production is on the Increase and the visible timber supply is large. It will ast for years. The Gould and the Harriman systems will hang to the present rates on yellow pine as long aa they can. They can insist that there is no good reason for allowing the west coast men to enter this market until the white and yellow pine manufacturers can no longer supply the demand—which will 1 not be for from seven to ten years at least. Hill's Far-Sighted Policy. In railroad circles the announcement that President Hill will not grant the demands of the west coast manufacturers will cause little surprise. He builds for the .future. He knows that the east must go to the coast some day for its lumber, and that the Great Northern will get its share of the business when that time comes. West coast lumber is to be one of the future big revenue producers for the Great Northern. But he is con ten to wait, for that means that the busi ness is sure at the full rate. Another feature of the question is that cars used in carrying white pine lumber can be utilized for other products on the return trip. Empty cars one way are a serious drawback in the west coast lumber traffic. One element in the situation is the fact that most of the white pine manufactur ers are large holders of west coast tim ber. There is a community of interest among Mississippi valley manufacturers which tends to protect them against west coast competition. Their immense hold ings on the coast make them prominent factors in any problem that involves west coast lumber. The Weyerhaueser syndi cate, which comprises many of the manu facturers of Minnesota and Wisconsin out side of the Minneapolis lumbermen, owns 1,000,000 acres of the best timber in the coast states. In addition to this the hold ings of the Minneapolis men and other Mississippi valley men will aggregate an other 1,000,000 acres. It is not likely that these people will begin extensive opera tions in west coast lumber until the white" pine production is greatly curtailed. Un til then they will not be interested in a lower rate into this market from the coast. One of these men said to-day that ten years from now the coast might expect a lower rate. Over Production in the Weit. With the coast manufacturers at the present time it is simply a case of over production. The principal item that they are marketing is long timbers and big dimension, a trade which the white pine m-an are glad to hand over to them. The big timber is sawed from the center square of the log. From all four sides come big slabs which in themselves con tain as much common lumber as the Min nesota log. It is the opportunity to use the lumber in these slabs profltab>y that the west coast man wants. Formerly he burned the slabs, but latterly he has been manufacturing them into lumber, with the result that his stocks are immense and seek a market. He has worked hard for trade in Montana and North Dakota, and by making a very low price has overcomo the situation to some extent. But he ha 3 made no money. In fact what he loses on common lumber takes the edge off the profit of many of his big timber sale*. Therefore he seeks the assistance of the Morgan-Hill system of railroads in cam paigning for a lower rate to the Missis sippi river and Chicago. CAX'T AFFORD TO DO IT President Hill (Mvcs Renioni for His Heiuxul, Special to The Journal. New York, Aug. 16.—James J. Hill, president of the Great Northern railway, is back in his Xew York office to-day and consented to discuss the request made by the Pacific Coast Lumber Manufactur ers' association for a 35c rate on com mon lumber to the Mississippi river and a 40c rate to Chicago. Although Victor H. Beckman, secretary of the Pacific Coast Lumber Manufacturers' association somo time ago addressed a letter to Mr. Hill, going very fully into the matter, and al though a strong committee of represen tative Pacific coast lumbermen has been appointed to press the request for the de sired rate, Mr. Hill said to-day that he had not taken the matter up for consid eration and that he did not remember having seen Mr. Beckman's letter until he saw it in print. According to Mr. Hill's idea the lumbermen of the Pacific coast are now getting as low a rate as they are entitled to. Mr. Hill said: "It is all very nice for the lumbermen to speak of what I have done for the lum ber interests of the coast. When I went out there they weTe paying 90 cents to the twin cities and Lake Superior. They told me that they would be perfectly happy if they could get a rate of 60 cents. I looked into the matter and concluded that they did not ask quite enough. I gave them a rate <;f 50 cents and 40 cents on fir. It is possible to give a lower ratae on fir, because it is possrole to load more In a car. I understand what they are after now. They are seeking a broader market for their common lumber. There is no trouble about the fancy higher priced stuff. They think that by cutting the rate for them, I can give them the market they are looking for. lam in the railroad business, however—not the lum* ber business. "Now here, this letter says that the lower rate would double their business. We will assume that it would, but where v.ould there be any advantage In that from a railroad standpoint? I haul the. lumber east now. How am I to get those cars back west again? To give a low rate one way, it is necessary to haul a load each way. There is no getting around it, if empty cars must be hauled one way the freight the other way must pay for that dead haul. There is not the business west, to justify the putting in force of a very low rate on lumber east. The rate is as low now as it can be, and when the bu»l- First, Last and Only Chance this Season to Visit State Prison <n atillwater To=morrow. Train Leaves Union Station 9:15. tickets 95c. Get Yours Early. Great Six=Hour River Trip.